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« on: September 29, 2023, 00:51 »
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Can anyone please explain something to me ?

As it is stated in Adobe stock submission guidelines contributors must upload AI generated images as photos and illustrations.
NOT VECTORS.
As they stated those are only two type of files that they are accepting.
Even during file submission that pop-up window threat contributors to check AI generated "work"

So, then...how it is even possible that AI generated vectors can be accepted in a collection ? As far I can see there is more and more of them accepted in a collection.
Not to mention that there are obvious spammers taking over collection by sending tons and tons of AI generated vectors such as this one :

https://stock.adobe.com/images/express-lane-sign-vector-icon-in-minimalistic-black-and-red-line-work-japan-web/651729575?asset_id=651729575
https://stock.adobe.com/images/benedict-vector-icon-in-minimalistic-black-and-red-line-work-japan-web/651363941?asset_id=651363941
https://stock.adobe.com/images/car-lift-vector-icon-in-minimalistic-black-and-red-line-work-japan-web/651359223?asset_id=651359223
https://stock.adobe.com/images/present-ribbon-vector-icon-in-minimalistic-black-and-red-line-work-japan-web/651361041?asset_id=651361041
https://sthttps://stock.adobe.com/images/embroidery-hoop-vector-icon-in-minimalistic-black-and-red-line-work-japan-web/651360648?
https://stock.adobe.com/images/wheel-vector-icon-in-minimalistic-black-and-red-line-work-japan-web/651360307?asset_id=651360307

And many more....
just type japan web in a search bar ( title is searchable - this spammer add that phrase in each title so he can check what is accepted from which account) than select vectors > most recent
Same style , same look, same AI prompt generations ? But different authors ?
NO.
Same fraud contributor with different accounts spamming collection simply because limit for newcomers is 500 uploads and he/she/them/they have a zillion AI created vectors.
And what is worse part of this is that Adobe accepting this on one side, and threat with ban and closing accounts to fair contributors.


« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2023, 01:26 »
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So Caroline, Michael, Benjamin, Daniel, David, Charlotte, Artem, Taylor, Victoria, Olivia, Nathan, Natalie, Brandon etc etc etc are all the same person?
Wow, I wonder how many accounts they have in total!

« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2023, 08:18 »
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I'm not seeing AI vectors (there might be some, but there are lots that are just SVG/JPEG/PNG; interestingly I didn't see any Illustrator (AI) offerings), but I am seeing masses of look-alike similars

I don't know how many accounts, but there are "28,968 results for "japan web" in all".

https://stock.adobe.com/search?k=%22japan+web%22

What is odd is that many of these portfolios appear to have recent work that's all look-alike "japan web" although their earlier work is much more varied. For example:

https://stock.adobe.com/contributor/211464333/oleksandr?order=creation

Go to page 5 to see the changeover. It's odd that the above portfolio does have masses of genAI vectors as well as others not tagged that way.

It's all recent stuff though.

A google search for japan web just produced sites that help with tourist visas for visitors to Japan. I thought it was worth checking to see if this was some new art style :)

Adobe Stock says there are 117,634 genAI vectors - that's down about 2,000 from a couple of weeks ago, but still a lot for something supposed to be disallowed.

« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2023, 00:38 »
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It is all AI generated content.
Vector AI generators export "creations" in SVG file.
That is how that person create such a big number of files.

Any vector creator would prefer to save work as EPS or Ai (adobe illustrator file) .

Anyone who create vectors know that it is impossible to create such number of vectors in such a short time.
Adobe policy that newbies can upload 500 files is the reason why that person use so many accounts.

Anyhow, what I wish to say is that Adobe accept and SELL -  AI generated  files as "vectors" without clear declaration that it is AI generated content.

First of all, it is not fair for vector contributors that their artwork is in the same rank with those  AI "created" files.
It is also not fair toward other contributors which are threatened by those upload pop up window which states that account may be suspended if AI content isn't declared while submission.
Second, aren't that something that can be deceiving buyers ?

« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2023, 06:08 »
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If these clone army files are wrongly tagged - not marked as genAI - that totally undermines the ethical AI marketing messages Adobe has been pushing.

As Ive noted elsewhere, the inspection process for AI content is broken. If this is another aspect of the problem, its even more troublesome.

Not a few slipups, but deliberate schemes to flout the rules. Youve given Mat all the information needed to look into this

« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2023, 10:55 »
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I strongly feel that those AI vectors are approved deliberate. 28K of files can't be accepted by mistake.
Even when they are wrongly tagged - not marked as gen AI.

I'm not sure that Mat have seen this post of mine.

P.S. What is also can be seen : more and more "logos" and simple "icons" which are created with AI is accepted in the collection. No need to emphasize that they are also not marked as gen AI.

« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2023, 01:50 »
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When I checked last time....japan web had 28 000 results in new vector search.
Two weeks later 61 000 . MORE THAN DOUBLE.
30 000 of a same styled " vectors " from a different contributors which is more than obvious one and same person or group of a crooks.

No one can assure me that adobe moderators didn't noticed this amount of such look-alike files, so it is obvious that they are accepted in collection deliberately.


30 000 AI generated files in a two weeks , 61K+ in total from just one fraudster that are not marked as genAI - that totally undermines the ethical AI marketing messages Adobe has been pushing.

Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2023, 13:45 »
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When I checked last time....japan web had 28 000 results in new vector search.
Two weeks later 61 000 . MORE THAN DOUBLE.
30 000 of a same styled " vectors " from a different contributors which is more than obvious one and same person or group of a crooks.

No one can assure me that adobe moderators didn't noticed this amount of such look-alike files, so it is obvious that they are accepted in collection deliberately.


30 000 AI generated files in a two weeks , 61K+ in total from just one fraudster that are not marked as genAI - that totally undermines the ethical AI marketing messages Adobe has been pushing.

https://stock.adobe.com/contributor/211695781/charlotte?load_type=author&prev_url=detail 15 images?
David 30 images
Daniel 29 images
Benjamin 31
Caroline 28

"688 results for japan web red line art in all"

But still, this seems like an odd game they are playing? And yes the collections are much larger in some cases. If Adobe cares, it's easy enough for them to do the same search and disable all of these accounts.


« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2023, 16:45 »
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Can anyone please explain something to me ?

As it is stated in Adobe stock submission guidelines contributors must upload AI generated images as photos and illustrations.
NOT VECTORS.
As they stated those are only two type of files that they are accepting.
Even during file submission that pop-up window threat contributors to check AI generated "work"

So, then...how it is even possible that AI generated vectors can be accepted in a collection ? As far I can see there is more and more of them accepted in a collection.
Not to mention that there are obvious spammers taking over collection by sending tons and tons of AI generated vectors such as this one :

https://stock.adobe.com/images/express-lane-sign-vector-icon-in-minimalistic-black-and-red-line-work-japan-web/651729575?asset_id=651729575
https://stock.adobe.com/images/benedict-vector-icon-in-minimalistic-black-and-red-line-work-japan-web/651363941?asset_id=651363941
https://stock.adobe.com/images/car-lift-vector-icon-in-minimalistic-black-and-red-line-work-japan-web/651359223?asset_id=651359223
https://stock.adobe.com/images/present-ribbon-vector-icon-in-minimalistic-black-and-red-line-work-japan-web/651361041?asset_id=651361041
https://sthttps://stock.adobe.com/images/embroidery-hoop-vector-icon-in-minimalistic-black-and-red-line-work-japan-web/651360648?
https://stock.adobe.com/images/wheel-vector-icon-in-minimalistic-black-and-red-line-work-japan-web/651360307?asset_id=651360307

And many more....
just type japan web in a search bar ( title is searchable - this spammer add that phrase in each title so he can check what is accepted from which account) than select vectors > most recent
Same style , same look, same AI prompt generations ? But different authors ?
NO.
Same fraud contributor with different accounts spamming collection simply because limit for newcomers is 500 uploads and he/she/them/they have a zillion AI created vectors.
And what is worse part of this is that Adobe accepting this on one side, and threat with ban and closing accounts to fair contributors.

What a disgrace and what an injustice to other authors!
Well, its okay, one day Adobe Stock will still get indigestion.

Canstockphoto was also impudent with the acceptance of works. Then they came to their senses - but it was too late.

« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2023, 17:00 »
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As a seasoned vector contributor, I feel like an idiot manually drawing my files.

I have just contacted adobe support to ask if this is actually allowed.

I hope Mat is around and he can clarify it for us. I can generate hundreds of these every day and submit them as vectors. Are we being punished for not breaking the rules? Or are the rules this flexible?
« Last Edit: October 14, 2023, 17:04 by cidepix »

Mir

« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2023, 17:40 »
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It seems all those vectorizers convert to SVG, hence all those AI vectors being SVG files, meanwhile non AI vectors get labeled as AI.

« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2023, 00:21 »
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When I checked last time....japan web had 28 000 results in new vector search.
Two weeks later 61 000 . MORE THAN DOUBLE.
30 000 of a same styled " vectors " from a different contributors which is more than obvious one and same person or group of a crooks.

No one can assure me that adobe moderators didn't noticed this amount of such look-alike files, so it is obvious that they are accepted in collection deliberately.


30 000 AI generated files in a two weeks , 61K+ in total from just one fraudster that are not marked as genAI - that totally undermines the ethical AI marketing messages Adobe has been pushing.

https://stock.adobe.com/contributor/211695781/charlotte?load_type=author&prev_url=detail 15 images?
David 30 images
Daniel 29 images
Benjamin 31
Caroline 28

"688 results for japan web red line art in all"

But still, this seems like an odd game they are playing? And yes the collections are much larger in some cases. If Adobe cares, it's easy enough for them to do the same search and disable all of these accounts.

Each of those files have just "japan web", no need to add  "red line art"  as a search term.
I guess that this crook added that japan web term in all files in order to see which of these files are accepted ( considering that we all know that the title is searchable at Adobe stock ) 

« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2023, 00:47 »
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if you search for the phrase "japan web" with the quote marks around it, you get around 22k files. Remove the quote marks and you get around 81k which would include all the files that have japan and web as separate keywords.

Justanotherphotographer

« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2023, 02:22 »
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It seems all those vectorizers convert to SVG, hence all those AI vectors being SVG files, meanwhile non AI vectors get labeled as AI.
LOL too lazy to even set up an action to convert from SVG to eps 10. Nice.

« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2023, 09:50 »
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It seems all those vectorizers convert to SVG, hence all those AI vectors being SVG files, meanwhile non AI vectors get labeled as AI.
LOL too lazy to even set up an action to convert from SVG to eps 10. Nice.

I doubt they even know how to set up an action, yet here they are earning money as vector contributors. These are some crazy times  :)

Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #15 on: October 16, 2023, 11:34 »
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When I checked last time....japan web had 28 000 results in new vector search.
Two weeks later 61 000 . MORE THAN DOUBLE.
30 000 of a same styled " vectors " from a different contributors which is more than obvious one and same person or group of a crooks.

No one can assure me that adobe moderators didn't noticed this amount of such look-alike files, so it is obvious that they are accepted in collection deliberately.


30 000 AI generated files in a two weeks , 61K+ in total from just one fraudster that are not marked as genAI - that totally undermines the ethical AI marketing messages Adobe has been pushing.

https://stock.adobe.com/contributor/211695781/charlotte?load_type=author&prev_url=detail 15 images?
David 30 images
Daniel 29 images
Benjamin 31
Caroline 28

"688 results for japan web red line art in all"

But still, this seems like an odd game they are playing? And yes the collections are much larger in some cases. If Adobe cares, it's easy enough for them to do the same search and disable all of these accounts.

Each of those files have just "japan web", no need to add  "red line art"  as a search term.
I guess that this crook added that japan web term in all files in order to see which of these files are accepted ( considering that we all know that the title is searchable at Adobe stock )

I was searching for the specific set of images, not the multiple accounts that may or may not have them. What I noticed beyond the who knows how many accounts and the 22,000 files that they may have, depending on real keywords. But still, there are some with 20-30 images, and the same style or images.

Why? If they are trying to hide in plain sight, it just makes it easier for Adobe to eventually catch on and remove all of them.  8) Lets hope that happens.

« Reply #16 on: October 16, 2023, 11:52 »
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There are also vectors in the collection that are clearly labeled as "generative AI" but not tagged as such and have somehow been accepted anyway. Two examples:

Lemons in cartoon, doodle style. 2d vector illustration in logo, icon style. AI Generative  


agressive shark | Generative AI


If you look at the image numbers, this isn't from ages ago, but is recent. The rules are just ignored and the reviewers don't catch it.

« Reply #17 on: October 16, 2023, 12:42 »
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If you look at the image numbers, this isn't from ages ago, but is recent. The rules are just ignored and the reviewers don't catch it.

we should have more sympathy for overworked reviewers - they're too busy tagging ai-gen in standard images

« Reply #18 on: October 16, 2023, 12:47 »
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If you look at the image numbers, this isn't from ages ago, but is recent. The rules are just ignored and the reviewers don't catch it.

we should have more sympathy for overworked reviewers - they're too busy tagging ai-gen in standard images

Presented with those two data points - reviewers are tagging as genAI things which are human created and accepting genAI labeled vectors when those aren't allowed - I could only come to one (unflattering) conclusion.

« Reply #19 on: October 16, 2023, 14:25 »
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For 15 years now, I have been uploading what a now, not so famous stock photographer called it "Snapshot images" I am an Exclusive and never looked back. I will never play with AI. My portfolio has paid my mortgage  for a 2900 sq foot house in Florida every month from the third year I started. I am turning 65 next month and am very happy with the 22000 real life images I have in my portfolio. I don't worry or care what others do. I just focus on my own port. I can't believe 15 years has gone by so fast when this other photographer made me cry with every submission. I am older and wiser now. I can't lift my Canon5DM1V anymore because of fractures in my back but I still manage to get those "real life shots" everyone laughed at with my Iphone. And I must say, They do sell well. When AI came out I thought "oh goodie" I will just lay in bed and type words. I played around with different programs and the AI architecture pictures were so real looking. But nothing gives me the satisfaction of taking that"snapshot photo" and having it sell 30 times for the month. I still upload but not like I did every day for 12 years. Now I am just sitting back watching everyone look at other peoples ports instead of concentrating on their own and building the shots they have the talent to shoot. I am not with Adobe, but I do use all the photoshop programs. I am not going to upload the new version so there will be no mistake in my uploads. There are a lot of oldtimers in this thread that I have read for years without commenting but I thought It was a good time to drop in and say, shoot what you shoot best and you will never get in trouble with that. Your port won't be disabled. Keep looking at the fraudulent accounts and you will cause yourself a lot of turmoil on the very fast tract to age 65 when all you can hold is an Iphone. And actually I am very happy with the sales of my Iphone pictures. It isn't the camera, but the eye that looks through it.

« Reply #20 on: October 16, 2023, 23:37 »
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If you look at the image numbers, this isn't from ages ago, but is recent. The rules are just ignored and the reviewers don't catch it.

Or reviewers did catch them but Adobe says let it in collection ?  ;)

« Reply #21 on: October 18, 2023, 15:26 »
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If you look at the image numbers, this isn't from ages ago, but is recent. The rules are just ignored and the reviewers don't catch it.

Or reviewers did catch them but Adobe says let it in collection ?  ;)

I agree, they would be very easy to catch.

« Reply #22 on: October 18, 2023, 22:11 »
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For 15 years now, I have been uploading what a now, not so famous stock photographer called it "Snapshot images" I am an Exclusive and never looked back. I will never play with AI. My portfolio has paid my mortgage  for a 2900 sq foot house in Florida every month from the third year I started. I am turning 65 next month and am very happy with the 22000 real life images I have in my portfolio. I don't worry or care what others do. I just focus on my own port. I can't believe 15 years has gone by so fast when this other photographer made me cry with every submission. I am older and wiser now. I can't lift my Canon5DM1V anymore because of fractures in my back but I still manage to get those "real life shots" everyone laughed at with my Iphone. And I must say, They do sell well. When AI came out I thought "oh goodie" I will just lay in bed and type words. I played around with different programs and the AI architecture pictures were so real looking. But nothing gives me the satisfaction of taking that"snapshot photo" and having it sell 30 times for the month. I still upload but not like I did every day for 12 years. Now I am just sitting back watching everyone look at other peoples ports instead of concentrating on their own and building the shots they have the talent to shoot. I am not with Adobe, but I do use all the photoshop programs. I am not going to upload the new version so there will be no mistake in my uploads. There are a lot of oldtimers in this thread that I have read for years without commenting but I thought It was a good time to drop in and say, shoot what you shoot best and you will never get in trouble with that. Your port won't be disabled. Keep looking at the fraudulent accounts and you will cause yourself a lot of turmoil on the very fast tract to age 65 when all you can hold is an Iphone. And actually I am very happy with the sales of my Iphone pictures. It isn't the camera, but the eye that looks through it.

Are you still happy with IStock? What about copycats? Ive read that whole account can be copycatted? (Im only upload to Adobe, but curious if IStock is worth uploading to) Thank you

« Reply #23 on: October 19, 2023, 00:15 »
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As a seasoned vector contributor, I feel like an idiot manually drawing my files.

I have just contacted adobe support to ask if this is actually allowed.

I hope Mat is around and he can clarify it for us. I can generate hundreds of these every day and submit them as vectors. Are we being punished for not breaking the rules? Or are the rules this flexible?

Did you get any answer from adobe support yet ?

« Reply #24 on: October 19, 2023, 03:38 »
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As a seasoned vector contributor, I feel like an idiot manually drawing my files.

I have just contacted adobe support to ask if this is actually allowed.

I hope Mat is around and he can clarify it for us. I can generate hundreds of these every day and submit them as vectors. Are we being punished for not breaking the rules? Or are the rules this flexible?

Did you get any answer from adobe support yet ?

Nope.. 5 days without a response!

I am not sure they know the answer.


 

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