Quote from: Injustice for all on November 06, 2023, 07:15

I believe that tracing an AI output is allowed.

well ok if you wanna risk getting banned, but we all have lot at stake so maybe better not

I never said I'm doing it,and it's certainly not something I would recommend,better not to do it,because it's not clear.

I only reported the facts,the rules are those and acting in that way doesn't break any rules from what I read.

However yesterday I took a look at Adobe Stock vector collection,and there are many AI,EPS,SVG vectors that are labeled as AI,so I believe that tracing an AI output is allowed.

I understand your point, but also: You must always click the "Created using generative AI tools" box, regardless of whether a release is required or not, for all content created with generative AI software. which Adobe says. What I mean is, if someone doesn't check the created with AI box, they are in violation of the guidelines.

I think that's pretty clear. The part about, if I generate an image, and then autotrace it and make a vector, is picking at a fine point, and I'm not so sure there's a difference, since the initial image is created with Generative AI tools.

And your point is, the vector image wasn't created with Generative AI Tools, it was created by someone editing the image in Illustrator.

But I'm going to argue against that, because the source of the image and the original image are AI. Just as if you take someone else's illustration and make a vector, it doesn't create a new transformative work, or different image, just because it has been traced.

Nope I'm not going to make some and find out. 

Do not submit generative AI vector images. If our policy changes on that, I will notify everyone here.

Thanks,

Mat Hayward

I don't know and the Adobe site, doesn't say specifically "don't do it" but Mat has tried to be helpful and warned us.

Quote from: synthetick on November 06, 2023, 07:27

Quote from: Injustice for all on November 06, 2023, 07:15

I believe that tracing an AI output is allowed.

well ok if you wanna risk getting banned, but we all have lot at stake so maybe better not

I never said I'm doing it,and it's certainly not something I would recommend,better not to do it,because it's not clear.

I only reported the facts,the rules are those and acting in that way doesn't break any rules from what I read.

Also...what rules says about multiple accounts ?
Of course that you can have multiple accounts with different assets, but if you check for example, that japan web reddish icons it is obviously same author from a 40+ accounts. What does it says ? That it is something legal or what ?

Answered your other post but putting it here too:

I think it is already fairly well known that there are upload limits. If you join the Discord community you will probably be more informed about this. Newbies have a limit of 50 files and it goes up from there depending on factors that AS does not disclose.

this is confirmation of my theory,that there are upload and acceptance limits for AI content.

this explains the reason for the numerous rejections that many are having,entire batches rejected,because they have already reached the limit.

is not specified what limit,but I think 500 or 1000 per month for AI content,but it's just my guess.

I think it�s 1000 per month or more for established accounts.

I also think it highly depends from moderators who accept images. One of my batches of same style was completely rejected because of quality. Yet similar variation in different color was accepted and selling.

I think and hope the moderation time is better now. In July I had a whole month when nothing was accepted. Now it�s back to weekly acceptance. Sometimes 5 images, sometimes 90 at a time - don�t know why, but I�m grateful.

I think the upload limit,or it would be more correct to say the acceptance rate,is on an annual basis,there are several things that make me think this.

Yes I thought that from November the inspection situation would start to improve,because there were elements that made me think this and certainly from the new year things will be noticeably better.

but please don't read me,because I'm the one who always talks nonsense!

I go against the grain,I have never been a sheep and I never will be,I question everything and I don't take anything for granted!

common thinking is often the wrong one,when everyone thinks something is right,it is often wrong.

Anyway parenthesis closed,we're talking about something else here.

I had seen that the results for �japan web� had dropped considerably,so it seems that Adobe has worked quickly to solve the problem.

I think the upload limit,or it would be more correct to say the acceptance rate,is on an annual basis,there are several things that make me think this.

Are you saying the upload limit is one number, but Adobe has an acceptance limit, that they don't tell us, on our number of files? Or am I missing something? Acceptance rate or acceptance numbers, isn't just by the quality of the images?

in the terms of the account and submission guidelines of Adobe Stock:

"We don�t permit multiple account creations to submit similar or identical content to inflate sales,or to bypass upload limits for generative AI content".

this is the fact,judge for yourself,the limit is how much AI content can be accepted,and this probably extends to real content too.

the only thing I can be sure,after reading this sentence in the terms of the account and submission guidelines,is that there are limits to the amount of AI content that can be accepted.

what these limits are,whether they are on an annual or monthly basis,or whether these limits are also extended to real contents,I don't know,just as nobody knows.

I reported this because I saw that many complained about entire AI and non-AI batches being rejected.

I have never had any particular problems with rejections because I upload around 1000 content per year,and I have never had particularly long review waiting times.

I agree,quality beats number,but number is also important,and quality is also description and keywords, something that in my opinion is underestimated by many.

the truth of everything is that in microstock making money is not easy,you have to be good,you have to have patience,a lot of patience,you have to be informed,up to date,you have to try to be innovative...it's probably among the most difficult jobs in the world!

only if you really like it can you do this job,and if you are strong enough to reject all criticism!

the only thing that is certain is that it takes a long time to earn significant amounts of money,it is not something to choose if you want a profit in the short term.

then there are those who see microstock as a hobby and is fine.

and then there are people that break all possible rules,they don't care,they just want to make a few hundred dollars if they can before they get caught!

Yes, it seems that Adobe started those AI generated "vectors" removal.

Unfortunately....they do it just for files which are reported by contributors.
There is still HUGE acceptance rate for those fraudulent AI generated files. 

Quote from: Madoo on November 12, 2023, 06:14

Yes, it seems that Adobe started those AI generated "vectors" removal.

Unfortunately....they do it just for files which are reported by contributors.
There is still HUGE acceptance rate for those fraudulent AI generated files.

Another reason to know the limit of acceptable AI content for sale by Adobe per account.

knowing this limit,which already exists but no one knows what it is,I think is important.

in this case,for example,knowing the limit of AI content that Adobe can accept per account per month or year can be a deterrent for the creation of multiple accounts in order to circumvent these limits which are currently unknown.

but this is only one of many reasons,officially knowing the limit of AI content that Adobe can accept per account per month or per year is important.

Mat,I repeat my proposal in case you missed it in the other thread:is it possible to know what these limits are so that people know it,and act accordingly,in order to adapt to these limits?

Do we all agree that knowing is better than not knowing?

There is nothing that supports your idea that there's a acceptance limit on Adobe. The only support is your idea, reading between the lines, your personal translation, and coming up with a odd theory. There is an upload limit, but no invisible secret acceptance limit.

Quote from: Injustice for all on November 12, 2023, 08:29

Quote from: Madoo on November 12, 2023, 06:14

Yes, it seems that Adobe started those AI generated "vectors" removal.

Unfortunately....they do it just for files which are reported by contributors.
There is still HUGE acceptance rate for those fraudulent AI generated files.

Another reason to know the limit of acceptable AI content for sale by Adobe per account.

knowing this limit,which already exists but no one knows what it is,I think is important.

in this case,for example,knowing the limit of AI content that Adobe can accept per account per month or year can be a deterrent for the creation of multiple accounts in order to circumvent these limits which are currently unknown.

but this is only one of many reasons,officially knowing the limit of AI content that Adobe can accept per account per month or per year is important.

Mat,I repeat my proposal in case you missed it in the other thread:is it possible to know what these limits are so that people know it,and act accordingly,in order to adapt to these limits?

Do we all agree that knowing is better than not knowing?

There is nothing that supports your idea that there's a acceptance limit on Adobe. The only support is your idea, reading between the lines, your personal translation, and coming up with a odd theory. There is an upload limit, but no invisible secret acceptance limit.

'' the limit of acceptable AI content '' ? ? ?
 Please....change dealer.

Injustice for all:
Useful Posts:+0/-0

 
Sorry. Btw, this forum saves me more and more time, since I read it less and less. Life is outside from here, for better, or the best. 

Quote from: DiscreetDuck on November 13, 2023, 13:33

Injustice for all:
Useful Posts:+0/-0

 
Sorry. Btw, this forum saves me more and more time, since I read it less and less. Life is outside from here, for better, or the best.

Since I already asked in the other thread on the same subject, sometimes I think something is lost in the translation and "Injustice" might be saying, there should be a acceptance limit and it should be published. Maybe not that there is some secret limit that's hidden from us? I don't know, but the last post seems to hint at that.

Simple fact is, since Microstock started, and there could be an exception, almost all agencies have had the one account per person limit. One exception was, someone could open a second group account and with others, all contribute to that. Something like Africa Studio and some others.  https://www.shutterstock.com/g/africa+studio
1,305,470 stock photos, vectors, and illustrations are available royalty-free.

Alamy, one account, many pseudonyms.

SS:
Can I share an account with someone else?

Your account may only contain your own work and cannot be shared
Per Shutterstock policy, there may only be one contributor for each account. Each account owner must wholly own full copyright to any content that they upload within their Shutterstock account.

Accounts cannot be shared between spouses or other family members. Accounts cannot be registered to the names of spouses or other family members if the content submitted is created by someone else. For example, if a husband and wife are both photographers who want to license their images with Shutterstock, they must each create a separate account. They cannot register an account just to the wife's name and submit content that was created by both of them into that portfolio.

Account ownership or payments can be shared if you have a Shutterstock business account.

Pete,thanks for understanding.