Author Topic: Adobe Rejects (Read 15227 times)

Lowls · « **Reply #25 on:** February 04, 2023, 05:10 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on February 03, 2023, 14:02

Quote from: Lowls on February 01, 2023, 08:21
There is never enough pool water or goldfish

https://stock.adobe.com/uk/search?creator_id=204243756&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Aphoto%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Aillustration%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Azip_vector%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Avideo%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Atemplate%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3A3d%5D=1&filters%5Bfetch_excluded_assets%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Aimage%5D=1&order=relevance&safe_search=1&k=Pool+water&search_page=1&search_type=usertyped&acp=&aco=Pool+water&get_facets=0

Too wet, how about some nice dry sand

https://stock.adobe.com/uk/search?creator_id=206735541&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Aphoto%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Aillustration%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Azip_vector%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Avideo%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Atemplate%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3A3d%5D=1&filters%5Bfetch_excluded_assets%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Aimage%5D=1&order=relevance&safe_search=1&k=Sand&search_page=1&search_type=usertyped&acp=&aco=Sand&get_facets=0

70 pages of sand, there someone with a desire to cover a niche?

https://stock.adobe.com/uk/search?creator_id=202007694&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Aphoto%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Aillustration%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Azip_vector%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Avideo%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Atemplate%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3A3d%5D=1&filters%5Bfetch_excluded_assets%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Aimage%5D=1&order=relevance&safe_search=1&k=Clouds&limit=100&search_page=1&search_type=pagination&acp=&aco=Clouds&load_type=page&get_facets=0

You've got your head in the clouds Peter. The trick is to take 20 or so pictures and change them subtly and add a bit of lightening. Instant portfolio.

If that doesn't work well meh, just fall back on deconstructed
Stop motion and turn that into a port and to hell with the similars rule. Keep the props. Rotate a little. Light perfectly ... mike drop
https://stock.adobe.com/uk/contributor/204101481/romiximage?load_type=author&prev_url=detail

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #26 on:** February 04, 2023, 14:03 »

Quote from: Lowls on February 04, 2023, 05:10

Quote from: Uncle Pete on February 03, 2023, 14:02
Quote from: Lowls on February 01, 2023, 08:21
There is never enough pool water or goldfish

https://stock.adobe.com/uk/search?creator_id=204243756&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Aphoto%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Aillustration%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Azip_vector%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Avideo%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Atemplate%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3A3d%5D=1&filters%5Bfetch_excluded_assets%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Aimage%5D=1&order=relevance&safe_search=1&k=Pool+water&search_page=1&search_type=usertyped&acp=&aco=Pool+water&get_facets=0

Too wet, how about some nice dry sand

https://stock.adobe.com/uk/search?creator_id=206735541&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Aphoto%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Aillustration%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Azip_vector%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Avideo%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Atemplate%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3A3d%5D=1&filters%5Bfetch_excluded_assets%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Aimage%5D=1&order=relevance&safe_search=1&k=Sand&search_page=1&search_type=usertyped&acp=&aco=Sand&get_facets=0

70 pages of sand, there someone with a desire to cover a niche?
https://stock.adobe.com/uk/search?creator_id=202007694&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Aphoto%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Aillustration%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Azip_vector%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Avideo%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Atemplate%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3A3d%5D=1&filters%5Bfetch_excluded_assets%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Aimage%5D=1&order=relevance&safe_search=1&k=Clouds&limit=100&search_page=1&search_type=pagination&acp=&aco=Clouds&load_type=page&get_facets=0

You've got your head in the clouds Peter. The trick is to take 20 or so pictures and change them subtly and add a bit of lightening. Instant portfolio.

If that doesn't work well meh, just fall back on deconstructed
Stop motion and turn that into a port and to hell with the similars rule. Keep the props. Rotate a little. Light perfectly ... mike drop
https://stock.adobe.com/uk/contributor/204101481/romiximage?load_type=author&prev_url=detail

I don't think that 70 pages of sand is a good idea, any more than 70 pages of water ripples, clouds, or marijuana. Is there something in your translator that takes out any icons or smileys?

Sure thing, Romix has the tangyuan yuanxiao market covered. That and pink shopping cart with flowers.

It's just a matter of how much someone wants to do, to fool the duplicate detector bot. (now everyone calls it AI, no difference) I remember back before the bots would review before images were passed on to humans, people would do a setting, move the sale and pepper, then move a knife, or move a fork or, change on item, and that was a "new" variation. As if some buyer would need to have the plate with salt and pepper, silverware, a napkin, and maybe a tea cup, placed in every possible configuration, then moved by an inch to make another new image.

Then the next step was upload the same 100 images, to 50 agencies. While my "master plan" is just the opposite? Everyone can make their own and agree or disagree, but less agencies and only upload best images. A big series for me might be three, but usually one is enough. That doesn't mean I never shoot the same subject again, just not 100 variations in one day.

That's why it's called micro stock right? Move the camera or zoom or flip in some micro way of changing the image and upload it again?

Lowls · « **Reply #27 on:** February 05, 2023, 14:12 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on February 04, 2023, 14:03

Quote from: Lowls on February 04, 2023, 05:10
Quote from: Uncle Pete on February 03, 2023, 14:02
Quote from: Lowls on February 01, 2023, 08:21
There is never enough pool water or goldfish

https://stock.adobe.com/uk/search?creator_id=204243756&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Aphoto%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Aillustration%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Azip_vector%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Avideo%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Atemplate%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3A3d%5D=1&filters%5Bfetch_excluded_assets%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Aimage%5D=1&order=relevance&safe_search=1&k=Pool+water&search_page=1&search_type=usertyped&acp=&aco=Pool+water&get_facets=0

Too wet, how about some nice dry sand

https://stock.adobe.com/uk/search?creator_id=206735541&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Aphoto%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Aillustration%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Azip_vector%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Avideo%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Atemplate%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3A3d%5D=1&filters%5Bfetch_excluded_assets%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Aimage%5D=1&order=relevance&safe_search=1&k=Sand&search_page=1&search_type=usertyped&acp=&aco=Sand&get_facets=0

70 pages of sand, there someone with a desire to cover a niche?
https://stock.adobe.com/uk/search?creator_id=202007694&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Aphoto%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Aillustration%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Azip_vector%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Avideo%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Atemplate%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3A3d%5D=1&filters%5Bfetch_excluded_assets%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Aimage%5D=1&order=relevance&safe_search=1&k=Clouds&limit=100&search_page=1&search_type=pagination&acp=&aco=Clouds&load_type=page&get_facets=0

You've got your head in the clouds Peter. The trick is to take 20 or so pictures and change them subtly and add a bit of lightening. Instant portfolio.

If that doesn't work well meh, just fall back on deconstructed
Stop motion and turn that into a port and to hell with the similars rule. Keep the props. Rotate a little. Light perfectly ... mike drop
https://stock.adobe.com/uk/contributor/204101481/romiximage?load_type=author&prev_url=detail

I don't think that 70 pages of sand is a good idea, any more than 70 pages of water ripples, clouds, or marijuana. Is there something in your translator that takes out any icons or smileys?

Sure thing, Romix has the tangyuan yuanxiao market covered. That and pink shopping cart with flowers.

It's just a matter of how much someone wants to do, to fool the duplicate detector bot. (now everyone calls it AI, no difference) I remember back before the bots would review before images were passed on to humans, people would do a setting, move the sale and pepper, then move a knife, or move a fork or, change on item, and that was a "new" variation. As if some buyer would need to have the plate with salt and pepper, silverware, a napkin, and maybe a tea cup, placed in every possible configuration, then moved by an inch to make another new image.

Then the next step was upload the same 100 images, to 50 agencies. While my "master plan" is just the opposite? Everyone can make their own and agree or disagree, but less agencies and only upload best images. A big series for me might be three, but usually one is enough. That doesn't mean I never shoot the same subject again, just not 100 variations in one day.

That's why it's called micro stock right? Move the camera or zoom or flip in some micro way of changing the image and upload it again?

I know right lol. I mean you buy cheap props but adobe is getting silly. A packet of wooden scrabble pieces can create huge amounts. Lit adventurously and you can add and change even more context. But no sadly not lol. I had some cool plans but I can't be arsed with Adobe now. I'll wait till they stop being silly.

Lowls · « **Reply #28 on:** February 06, 2023, 02:58 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on February 04, 2023, 14:03

Quote from: Lowls on February 04, 2023, 05:10
Quote from: Uncle Pete on February 03, 2023, 14:02
Quote from: Lowls on February 01, 2023, 08:21
There is never enough pool water or goldfish

https://stock.adobe.com/uk/search?creator_id=204243756&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Aphoto%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Aillustration%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Azip_vector%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Avideo%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Atemplate%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3A3d%5D=1&filters%5Bfetch_excluded_assets%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Aimage%5D=1&order=relevance&safe_search=1&k=Pool+water&search_page=1&search_type=usertyped&acp=&aco=Pool+water&get_facets=0

Too wet, how about some nice dry sand

https://stock.adobe.com/uk/search?creator_id=206735541&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Aphoto%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Aillustration%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Azip_vector%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Avideo%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Atemplate%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3A3d%5D=1&filters%5Bfetch_excluded_assets%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Aimage%5D=1&order=relevance&safe_search=1&k=Sand&search_page=1&search_type=usertyped&acp=&aco=Sand&get_facets=0

70 pages of sand, there someone with a desire to cover a niche?
https://stock.adobe.com/uk/search?creator_id=202007694&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Aphoto%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Aillustration%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Azip_vector%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Avideo%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Atemplate%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3A3d%5D=1&filters%5Bfetch_excluded_assets%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Aimage%5D=1&order=relevance&safe_search=1&k=Clouds&limit=100&search_page=1&search_type=pagination&acp=&aco=Clouds&load_type=page&get_facets=0

You've got your head in the clouds Peter. The trick is to take 20 or so pictures and change them subtly and add a bit of lightening. Instant portfolio.

If that doesn't work well meh, just fall back on deconstructed
Stop motion and turn that into a port and to hell with the similars rule. Keep the props. Rotate a little. Light perfectly ... mike drop
https://stock.adobe.com/uk/contributor/204101481/romiximage?load_type=author&prev_url=detail
That's why it's called micro stock right? Move the camera or zoom or flip in some micro way of changing the image and upload it again?

Apparently you don't need to move it very far lol

https://www.shutterstock.com/g/majo1122331

cascoly · « **Reply #29 on:** February 06, 2023, 11:47 »

i've had same experience -100% rejection on 23 lots of 25 submitted a week apart - and i had selected only images that had been taken at other sites

HalfFull · « **Reply #30 on:** February 06, 2023, 11:59 »

I've only had 2 image rejections over the last 4-6 months out of about 500 or more images. The two I've had recently I'll take a look and if there's an issue, I'll see if I can correct it and resubmit. If not, I just move on.

Like anywhere though, they can make the odd mistake but as a rule I've found them very good.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #31 on:** February 06, 2023, 12:30 »

Quote from: Lowls on February 06, 2023, 02:58

Quote from: Uncle Pete on February 04, 2023, 14:03
That's why it's called micro stock right? Move the camera or zoom or flip in some micro way of changing the image and upload it again?

Apparently you don't need to move it very far lol

https://www.shutterstock.com/g/majo1122331

I've seen some worse, like, make them B&W, flip, point at the sky, now point at the sky + look at the camera...

https://www.shutterstock.com/search/full-length-portrait-of-young-pinup-woman-cycling-in-fields?image_type=photo

Change the description, post 24 more? https://www.shutterstock.com/search/young-beautiful-brunette-pinup-woman-in-red-shirt-cycling?image_type=photo

But I suppose, you have a bicycle and a model and she has the red outfit? Maybe I'd do 100 photos of the same setup if I did that kind of thing.

Guilty, I found some of my old Easter Eggs photos, same eggs six images, and one with the same cheeseburger used three times! 3/4 above, side view and close up. Some day I'm revisiting this one, the triple cheeseburger with fries project.

www.shutterstock.com/g/peteklinger/sets/128860411?rid=111418

Back to the original question? How does sand, water, waves or clouds qualify as not similar or not too many already uploaded that are similar? But something I've uploaded that's different colors, different designs and not at all the same, get rejected for being to similar?

Yeah guilty of this one too

cascoly · « **Reply #32 on:** February 13, 2023, 14:30 »

when i did a search for 'recent pizza' there were 13 very similar images on the top, and many more similars after that - why do these get accepted when others of us are told no more than 3 from a SERIES? -- doesnt matter if they are actually different images from one shoot - different composition, different # of animals in shot, different actions, - a selection that in no way would be similar other than the subject -- not slight differences like the pizzas) and can be blocked w/o any chance of appeal of a very subjective review.

the argument against rejections for similars is if 1 submit 5-10 on the same subject, the images selected will vary for each agency, with some even taking most of what AS would consider similar

cascoly · « **Reply #33 on:** February 17, 2023, 14:16 »

Quote from: cascoly on February 13, 2023, 14:30

when i did a search for 'recent pizza' there were 13 very similar images on the top, and many more similars after that - why do these get accepted when others of us are told no more than 3 from a SERIES? -- doesnt matter if they are actually different images from one shoot - different composition, different # of animals in shot, different actions, - a selection that in no way would be similar other than the subject -- not slight differences like the pizzas) and can be blocked w/o any chance of appeal of a very subjective review.

the argument against rejections for similars is if 1 submit 5-10 on the same subject, the images selected will vary for each agency, with some even taking most of what AS would consider similar

ok, here's an example that today would have been rejected for 'similars' but was accepted under previous more sensible rules - these 5 sold together

cascoly · « **Reply #34 on:** February 17, 2023, 14:18 »

Quote from: cascoly on February 06, 2023, 11:47

i've had same experience -100% rejection on 23 lots of 25 submitted a week apart - and i had selected only images that had been taken at other sites

update - next batch had about 50% accepted, latest was 100% accepted, including a dozen Dall-e images. content from same shoots

Diana Herrmann · « **Reply #35 on:** February 20, 2023, 10:17 »

Quote from: cascoly on February 17, 2023, 14:18

Quote from: cascoly on February 06, 2023, 11:47
i've had same experience -100% rejection on 23 lots of 25 submitted a week apart - and i had selected only images that had been taken at other sites

update - next batch had about 50% accepted, latest was 100% accepted, including a dozen Dall-e images. content from same shoots

How do you get Dall-e images accepted? All of mine are rejected for quality.

Just_to_inform_people2 · « **Reply #36 on:** February 20, 2023, 14:04 »

Quote from: Diana Herrmann on February 20, 2023, 10:17

Quote from: cascoly on February 17, 2023, 14:18
Quote from: cascoly on February 06, 2023, 11:47
i've had same experience -100% rejection on 23 lots of 25 submitted a week apart - and i had selected only images that had been taken at other sites
update - next batch had about 50% accepted, latest was 100% accepted, including a dozen Dall-e images. content from same shoots

How do you get Dall-e images accepted? All of mine are rejected for quality.

Well at least Adobe is trying to avoid flooding the database with poor quality images. Hurray to Adobe, I guess

cascoly · « **Reply #37 on:** February 20, 2023, 14:06 »

Quote from: Diana Herrmann on February 20, 2023, 10:17

Quote from: cascoly on February 17, 2023, 14:18
Quote from: cascoly on February 06, 2023, 11:47
i've had same experience -100% rejection on 23 lots of 25 submitted a week apart - and i had selected only images that had been taken at other sites

update - next batch had about 50% accepted, latest was 100% accepted, including a dozen Dall-e images. content from same shoots

How do you get Dall-e images accepted? All of mine are rejected for quality.

did you check them at 100%? did you follow the AS submission rueles?

most images need post=processing

without seeing your portfolio we can't see where the problem may be

PigsInSpace · « **Reply #38 on:** February 20, 2023, 21:11 »

Quote from: SVH on February 20, 2023, 14:04

Quote from: Diana Herrmann on February 20, 2023, 10:17
Quote from: cascoly on February 17, 2023, 14:18
Quote from: cascoly on February 06, 2023, 11:47
i've had same experience -100% rejection on 23 lots of 25 submitted a week apart - and i had selected only images that had been taken at other sites
update - next batch had about 50% accepted, latest was 100% accepted, including a dozen Dall-e images. content from same shoots

How do you get Dall-e images accepted? All of mine are rejected for quality.

Well at least Adobe is trying to avoid flooding the database with poor quality images. Hurray to Adobe, I guess

How dare you insult my catalog of 52,000 photos of the same tomato.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #39 on:** February 21, 2023, 11:44 »

Quote from: PigsInSpace on February 20, 2023, 21:11

Quote from: SVH on February 20, 2023, 14:04
Quote from: Diana Herrmann on February 20, 2023, 10:17
Quote from: cascoly on February 17, 2023, 14:18
Quote from: cascoly on February 06, 2023, 11:47
i've had same experience -100% rejection on 23 lots of 25 submitted a week apart - and i had selected only images that had been taken at other sites
update - next batch had about 50% accepted, latest was 100% accepted, including a dozen Dall-e images. content from same shoots

How do you get Dall-e images accepted? All of mine are rejected for quality.

Well at least Adobe is trying to avoid flooding the database with poor quality images. Hurray to Adobe, I guess

How dare you insult my catalog of 52,000 photos of the same tomato.

And it didn't wilt under the lights? Tell us your secret!

SS = 983,678 sliced tomato stock photos, vectors, and illustrations are available royalty-free.
AS = 745,250 results for sliced tomato in all
DT = 144,603 sliced tomato stock images and stock footage are available royalty-free.

According to some theories, you should be uploading your slice tomato images to DT for better sales?

Big Toe · « **Reply #40 on:** February 21, 2023, 15:49 »

Quote from: PigsInSpace on February 20, 2023, 21:11

How dare you insult my catalog of 52,000 photos of the same tomato.

You should consider investing in a second tomato.

Big Toe · « **Reply #41 on:** February 21, 2023, 15:58 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on February 21, 2023, 11:44

And it didn't wilt under the lights? Tell us your secret!

SS = 983,678 sliced tomato stock photos, vectors, and illustrations are available royalty-free.
AS = 745,250 results for sliced tomato in all
DT = 144,603 sliced tomato stock images and stock footage are available royalty-free.

According to some theories, you should be uploading your slice tomato images to DT for better sales?

I do not doubt that the field of sliced tomatos is very competitive. It should be noted, though, that only a very small percentage of the nearly one million images at Shutterstock show sliced tomatos as the main subject.

If you switch the sorting to Fresh Content, you will see that most of the images coming in show things like pizza with tomatos, or even just tomato sauce or other stuff that contain tomatos or one of it's products as ingredient and some sort of slice (for example pizza slices).

Shutterstock obviously does a good job of presenting the user with the best (or at least most popular) images within the minority of real tomato slices when the sorting is set to Popular.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #42 on:** February 22, 2023, 13:24 »

Quote from: Big Toe on February 21, 2023, 15:58

Quote from: Uncle Pete on February 21, 2023, 11:44
And it didn't wilt under the lights? Tell us your secret!

SS = 983,678 sliced tomato stock photos, vectors, and illustrations are available royalty-free.
AS = 745,250 results for sliced tomato in all
DT = 144,603 sliced tomato stock images and stock footage are available royalty-free.

According to some theories, you should be uploading your slice tomato images to DT for better sales?

I do not doubt that the field of sliced tomatos is very competitive. It should be noted, though, that only a very small percentage of the nearly one million images at Shutterstock show sliced tomatos as the main subject.

If you switch the sorting to Fresh Content, you will see that most of the images coming in show things like pizza with tomatos, or even just tomato sauce or other stuff that contain tomatos or one of it's products as ingredient and some sort of slice (for example pizza slices).

Shutterstock obviously does a good job of presenting the user with the best (or at least most popular) images within the minority of real tomato slices when the sorting is set to Popular.

Yes of course I know that, any simple search is going to be terribly flawed. Yes, anything with "sliced tomatoes" salads, pizza, casserole and many more, will come up. It's just an entertaining search. I could have followed something more useful, but I didn't, so there we very well are, deep in the salsa di pomodoro.

Here's the other one I like to watch. There's no useful purpose and I have a number on the first page (that still don't sell very often) 512 triple cheeseburger stock photos - and guess what? Roughly 20% are not "Triple Cheeseburgers" some are fries and chicken. Some of three of something and a cheeseburger. And 261 are this one spammed up set of cheeseburgers with various flags. https://www.shutterstock.com/search/triple-cheeseburger-flag?image_type=photo Talk about similar?

In other words, there are only about 200 triple cheeseburger photos, and the demand is an even smaller number.

Make a note and lets check this in 2024?

184,414 sliced tomatoes isolated on white stock photos There are some new uploads on the first page.

dragonblade · « **Reply #43 on:** March 20, 2023, 04:50 »

In the past, I found reviews on Adobe Stock to be more harsh. I used to get a fair few rejections but also a fair few accepted images as well. Can't recall if it was close to a 50 / 50 split or not. In more recent times, Ive found the AS reviewers are a lot more generous. Currently, I only have the occasional issue with illustrative editorial images. Some of my images are accepted as IE and some aren't (it seems pretty random.) Most of the photos I submit as IE have similar kinds of subjects with no recognisable people but apparently, some just don't qualify as IE.

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