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« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2021, 09:33 »
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Summarizing some important points from the FAQ:

- No minimum guarantee applies. Contributors will receive 33% royalties of the Adobe Stock revenue from Pro Edition downloads for every seat sold. Payouts will be distributed among Contributors proportional to their downloads.

- CCT Pro Edition assets come with an enhanced license. Read more details about the enhanced license. CCE Pro Edition assets include an extended license to remain consistent with other Adobe Stock plans for Enterprise. Read more about the extended license.

- Its not possible to opt out of making content available to Pro Edition buyers. 

So: Pennys for ELs, no opt out.

Sounds like a complete desaster...

« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2021, 09:45 »
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Bye Bye Adobe Stock !

I was one of the best quality contributor ... Each of my photos requires 1 or 2 hour of post production and the result is appreciated by the buyers. You deserve a collection of amateur snapshots
« Last Edit: April 15, 2021, 09:53 by Bauman »

« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2021, 10:02 »
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For god's sake why don't you agencies just stop it!

We are not cows to be milked to death  :'(

« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2021, 10:15 »
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So my question is when are these royalties are calculated? By the quotes below from your FAQ it is not clear. If its proportional to downloads is it at the end of the month or somehow calculated on the fly??? But no matter how this SUCKS.

Contributors will receive 33% royalties of the Adobe Stock revenue from Pro Edition downloads for every seat sold. Payouts will be distributed among Contributors proportional to their downloads.

And:
Earnings from Pro Edition are labeled Custom on your earnings page in the Contributor Portal.

SpaceStockFootage

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« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2021, 10:23 »
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I was one of the best quality contributor...

Then we are honoured by your presence. What went wrong though... why did you stop being the best quality contributor?


« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2021, 10:33 »
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Then we are honoured by your presence. What went wrong though... why did you stop being the best quality contributor?

I am in the top 1500 in the AS contributor ranking with less than 2000 photos.

I read that there are contributors with 10,000 photos earning $ 50 a month ... so am I among the best in quality or not?

I therefore think that my type of work should no longer be in stock and be rewarded with 1 or 2 cents. I was wrong. I will take other roads.

« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2021, 10:50 »
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The FAQ doesn't really give contributors much information about what to expect from this new plan - dropping the minimum royalty is probably a massive loss, but it depends on what sorts of prices the 33% is based on. We don't even have a range.

Extended license for all sales sounds terrible - will users of these plans be able to sell unlimited numbers of items for resale (like large prints) for one small price? Is the extended license the same as your current extended license or different? Contributors don't need to know every detail of every corporate deal, but we need to know just how much of a rights giveaway this new plan is. I wasn't reading carefully enough. It's an enhanced license, not an extended license Adobe Stock is offering. Still more rights for less money, but not as bad as allowing resale items, etc. I still got it wrong! Pro Teams get enhanced; Pro Enterprise get extended. You have to ask why Adobe would offer extensive rights like that in an unlimited subscription. "Consistency" - I didn't realize that enterprise customers already got extended licenses for their downloads...

To clarify what the actual payout is, if a subscriber pays $100 per month (hypothetical) for the new plan and downloads just one asset some month, will the lucky contributor of that one item receive a $33 royalty or is there some other deduction from the gross payment before the contributor portion is calculated?

Will Adobe have any rules to prevent a busy subscriber from downloading the entire collection in one month and then unsubscribing? In other words, what does "unlimited" really mean?

And to echo the question above, how will Adobe report the "custom" download when the number sharing in the monthly take isn't immediately known.
 
I can't see any good news at all for contributors (to the standard collection) from this. What is the theoretical good news for us from Adobe's perspective?
« Last Edit: April 15, 2021, 21:52 by Jo Ann Snover »

« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2021, 11:10 »
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« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2021, 11:14 »
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What I really don't understand is why so many of you appear to think any company or corporate entity is your friend.

Adobe is a publicly traded company and shareholders are their priority, not you the contributor.

Adobe like any other agency is completely self serving. Adobe is not doing this for your benefit they are doing it for "corporate profit" and only "corporate profit".

The reality is if one takes the time to actually read the contract you most certainly have the "copyright" on your content but the "agency" has every right to use your content and reward you as they see fit. It's like this with all agencies these days.

I think SS said it the best and represents the attitude of the industry as a whole... If you don't like it then leave.




« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2021, 11:22 »
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Very bland FAQs that gives us no idea what we may earn from this plan. I am assuming it will be less than normal though........

« Reply #11 on: April 15, 2021, 11:23 »
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What I really don't understand is why so many of you appear to think any company or corporate entity is your friend.

I'm under no illusions that any business is my friend. I am, however, a supplier to a number of stock agencies and I have certain expectations about how a supplier should be treated.

Sometimes the expectations are based on a prior business arrangement - this usually comes up when the terms of a previous deal are changed, typically not in the contributor's (supplier's) favor.

Sometimes it's because the line between a business transaction and exploitation has been crossed. Typically that's subjective, but given the massive power imbalance between the agencies and contributors, it's par for the course that the powerful exploit the less powerful.

I understand how these things work, but as a fan of regulated capitalism vs. "greed is good", a bit of protest to see if changes can be made isn't out of line.

I can always leave Adobe Stock later if it turns out that the deal is as bad as it looks and no changes can be had. I checked my RPD for April so far at Adobe Stock and it's 84 cents. Not great, not terrible. Even if I put aside for a minute the extended license issue, if the RPD drops a lot and volume stays about the same, it'll tell me where this is heading.

« Last Edit: April 15, 2021, 14:21 by Jo Ann Snover »

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« Reply #12 on: April 15, 2021, 11:31 »
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Why don't you pay us a monthly salary? The commissions thing no longer makes sense. Give me a salary for every x photos and sell them however you want.


« Reply #13 on: April 15, 2021, 11:40 »
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Sigh.

« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2021, 11:44 »
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I see the race to the bottom has really accelerated.

angelawaye

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« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2021, 12:03 »
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Time to start deleting my good work ...

« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2021, 13:26 »
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I am sure Adobe has estimated the cost and expected volume - what is the average expected cost per download. Also highest and lowest?

If the first year is free, what number are you going to calculate 33% of?

When will we start to see these "sales"?


« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2021, 13:46 »
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-paying for access to Stock
-include unlimited download
-include an extended license


Contributors will receive 33% -No minimum guarantee applies



Exampel: Costomer pays 100/month and downloads 1000000 images/month

-> Contributor gets 33% of 0,0001 = 0,000033

for a extended license ...

« Reply #18 on: April 15, 2021, 13:48 »
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**** *** ****

« Reply #19 on: April 15, 2021, 13:51 »
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What I really don't understand is why so many of you appear to think any company or corporate entity is your friend.

I'm under no illusions that any business is my friend. I am, however, a supplier to a number of stock agencies and I have certain expectations about how a supplier should be treated.

Sometimes the expectations are based on a prior business arrangement - this usually comes up when the terms of a previous deal are changed, typically not in the contributor's (supplier's) favor.

Sometimes it's because the line between a business transaction and exploitation has been crossed. Typically that's subjective, but given the massive power imbalance between the agencies and contributors, it's par for the course that the powerful exploit the less powerful.

I understand how these things work, but as a fan of regulated capitalism vs. "greed is good", a bit of protest to see if changes can be made isn't out of line. I can always leave Adobe Stock later if it turns out that the deal is as bad as it looks and no changes can be had.

I totally agree with you Jo Ann, and I have no doubt that you are under no illusions. I have similar expectations based on a prior business arrangement. This whole industry lacks integrity. The concern from my perspective is that the "greed is good" in this industry knows no limits and has become the mythological character of  Erysichthon.




angelawaye

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« Reply #20 on: April 15, 2021, 14:36 »
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« Last Edit: April 15, 2021, 15:01 by angelawaye »

« Reply #21 on: April 15, 2021, 14:37 »
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Hi, Lets read this from other point of view, ok Matt?

Today Adobe Stock announced Pro Edition, a new plan for Creative Cloud for Teams and Enterprises...

1) which supplies UNLIMITED downloads from OUR WORK collection of photos, illustrations, and vectors.
2) Adobe TAKES 67% of the sale.

Adobe Stock DOESN'T DO ANYTHING besides giving us storage and cannot really justify why is taking 67% of it.

My remarks: I will never buy anything from Adobe until i can download UNLIMITED TIMES your software too.

Best regards
« Last Edit: April 15, 2021, 18:56 by Evaristo tenscadisto »

« Reply #22 on: April 15, 2021, 14:43 »
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So, if downloads are unlimited, how will it be calculated per one sold image? How will AS know how many images buyer is planning to download?

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  • Space, Sci-Fi and Astronomy Related Stock Footage

« Reply #23 on: April 15, 2021, 15:32 »
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Super important question which hasn't been answered yet... are royalties calculated per individual download, or as a total over the month? And do you round up (unlikely), or down?

Because if it's on an individual basis, and you don't round up, then any subscriber who downloads enough images for us to be just shy of one cent... will result in us earning nothing at all from them. And if there is a huge demand for content as you say, then if every subscriber downloads enough content for us all to be just shy of one cent on every download... nobody will earn anything at all, ever. Apart from Adobe who ends up getting 100% due to rounding... like in Superman III... kind of.

Also, what happens to the stock portion of a buyers subscription if they don't download anything during a month or billing period? Is the 33% shared with contributors or does Adobe keep it all?

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« Reply #24 on: April 15, 2021, 15:33 »
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What I really don't understand is why so many of you appear to think any company or corporate entity is your friend.

Adobe is a publicly traded company and shareholders are their priority, not you the contributor.

Adobe like any other agency is completely self serving. Adobe is not doing this for your benefit they are doing it for "corporate profit" and only "corporate profit".

Of course no agency is our friend, and I have no illusion we contributors are respected in any way.

But I always thought Adobe's main revenue comes from their apps, not their stock, so I hoped they wouldn't yet walk over to the dark side of "unlimited downloads"...They are (were) one of the few agencies who offered decent RPD. Well, not anymore they ain't.
The world of microstock is completely effed up and already becoming unsustainable. I've already moved on to greener pastures and stopped producing microstock content (instead doing commissioned work).

@ Mat: "No minimum guarantee applies." So we can expect 0.02 royalties then? We probably don't ever get to see how many items were downloaded for the lump sum we'll receive, right?
« Last Edit: April 15, 2021, 15:40 by Noedelhap »


 

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