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« Reply #25 on: April 15, 2021, 15:52 »
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OH MY GOD!  :(


« Reply #26 on: April 15, 2021, 15:54 »
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Depressing as this news is and yes, Mat, it is thoroughly depressing! it shows why I still do tune into this forum and want it to continue. Very good insights provided here, not only from Mat but also from other long-long-time stockers.

Of course, if AS follows iS and SS down the greedy stock-peddler's rat hole (as it appears about to do), I won't need this forum any more, because I won't be bothering with stock any more.

Without AS as the last decent agency, it's just not worth the bother.

Sad.

ShadySue

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« Reply #27 on: April 15, 2021, 16:03 »
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So the latest 'creators' favourite' bites off the hand that feeds them.  >:(
« Last Edit: April 15, 2021, 16:26 by ShadySue »

« Reply #28 on: April 15, 2021, 16:24 »
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What I really don't understand is why so many of you appear to think any company or corporate entity is your friend.

Adobe is a publicly traded company and shareholders are their priority, not you the contributor.

Adobe like any other agency is completely self serving. Adobe is not doing this for your benefit they are doing it for "corporate profit" and only "corporate profit".

The reality is if one takes the time to actually read the contract you most certainly have the "copyright" on your content but the "agency" has every right to use your content and reward you as they see fit. It's like this with all agencies these days.

I think SS said it the best and represents the attitude of the industry as a whole... If you don't like it then leave.

Who said "friend"?
A contract is normally signed between business partners, not between friends.
All business partners are defending their interests first and foremost, while ideally trying to achieve a win-win situation, when possible, knowing that stable long-term relationships with steady partners are more efficient.

That's all it is, really. So no, no friends.
« Last Edit: April 15, 2021, 16:26 by Zero Talent »

« Reply #29 on: April 15, 2021, 16:40 »
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I really hope that 'karma is a bitch' works for microstock agencies too and that they in near future won't have anything good to offer to their unlimited buyers.

« Reply #30 on: April 15, 2021, 16:44 »
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I might as well stop feeding the beast and give away my entire portfolio for free to Unsplash. It's a sad time we live in.  :'(

« Reply #31 on: April 15, 2021, 16:50 »
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I might as well stop feeding the beast and give away my entire portfolio for free to Unsplash. It's a sad time we live in.  :'(

You mean you're going to give it away for free to Getty. Nice. Stop feeding the beast but keep feeding the beast anyway for free.

« Reply #32 on: April 15, 2021, 17:03 »
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I might as well stop feeding the beast and give away my entire portfolio for free to Unsplash. It's a sad time we live in.  :'(

You mean you're going to give it away for free to Getty. Nice. Stop feeding the beast but keep feeding the beast anyway for free.

Oh, it's Getty now? I did not know that. We are truly living the beginning of the end...

ShadySue

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« Reply #33 on: April 15, 2021, 17:04 »
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I might as well stop feeding the beast and give away my entire portfolio for free to Unsplash. It's a sad time we live in.  :'(

You mean you're going to give it away for free to Getty. Nice. Stop feeding the beast but keep feeding the beast anyway for free.

Oh, it's Getty now? I did not know that. We are truly living the beginning of the end...

https://www.microstockgroup.com/istockphoto-com/istock-acquires-unsplash

« Reply #34 on: April 15, 2021, 17:14 »
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So the latest 'creators' favourite' bites off the hand that feeds them.  >:(

Yep, apparently 'tis true.

And to think just about a year ago we were all soooooo hopeful that Adobe would be the salvation of this fast-sinking ship.

« Reply #35 on: April 15, 2021, 17:29 »
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Feeling absolutely gutted right now :'(

angelawaye

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« Reply #36 on: April 15, 2021, 17:29 »
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I feel pretty stupid. I was on Twitter saying don't buy from SS, buy from Adobe, they are the "good guys" after we got played by Shutterstock in the middle of a pandemic ...


« Reply #37 on: April 15, 2021, 17:53 »
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For now there is a written mention that video assets are not included in this edition. As for the rest, they go out on an all-you-can-eat subscription. Whats the permanent damage with that, aside earnings loss? People get used to it, like using Spotify or Netflix. You do not own the content, you are merely renting it. Then, the customer is used to that idea and only a small number of individuals rents a movie or buys a single. See what DJs are doing. With closed clubs, they are begging for peanuts on Twitch with live shows, while streaming services are paying them cents for their music productions. That is the worst to happen in stock and it will probably be irreversible. Buyers will get used to that idea. You get the same when you buy from the biggest stock audio library for Broadcast use from a British company. One yearly subscription for all tracks. If not, buying a single track just costs to much. Adobe is trying to tell us that: For now only the big customer is renting the library, the small individual is not.


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« Reply #38 on: April 15, 2021, 18:18 »
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I was just wondering 

Could Dreamstime turn out to be the Next Big Thing???

« Reply #39 on: April 15, 2021, 18:23 »
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For now there is a written mention that video assets are not included in this edition. ...

Right now, "premium" collections, video, templates, etc. are not included. But look to Shutterstock's example and take a wild guess that it's only a matter of time before more things are included.

Shutterstock used not to offer video subscriptions, but then they did. They they were expensive, until they were producing small (under $1) royalties when dowloaded through the API from various partners.

Now, with the "Flex" subscription, Shutterstock is including everything - video, audio & effects as well

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/shutterstock-launches-flex-subscriptions-a-customizable-royalty-free-plan-for-small-and-medium-sized-businesses-301268299.html

https://www.shutterstock.com/business/flex-subscriptions

I know Adobe isn't Shutterstock, but I can only imagine that the new "unlimited" Pro Edition is in response to Shutterstock Unlimited from a few months back. IMO, it's only a matter of time


ShadySue

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« Reply #40 on: April 15, 2021, 18:49 »
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I was just wondering 

Could Dreamstime turn out to be the Next Big Thing???

Even if they were, there isn't a great history with Big Things.

« Reply #41 on: April 15, 2021, 19:00 »
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Well, if in the last time, i can't buy new photography gear, now i will never buy. I will continue with my old cameras, Canon XT and Canon 60D until they broke or i sell them. Also to my old speedlights, i hope they keep working a lot :(

PaulieWalnuts

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« Reply #42 on: April 15, 2021, 19:50 »
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I was just wondering 

Could Dreamstime turn out to be the Next Big Thing???

You have to see the pattern here I hope.
- Getty/Istock is evil we love Shutterstock
- Oh, uh, Shutterstock is now evil, we love Adobe
- Oh, uh, Adobe is now evil, we love.........

ETA: I keep reading about blockchain technology at some point potentially connecting individuals and cutting out the corporations. Will be interesting to see where it goes.
« Last Edit: April 15, 2021, 19:54 by PaulieWalnuts »

« Reply #43 on: April 15, 2021, 20:00 »
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Thanks everyone for your candid feedback and questions. Please know that many hours have been spent at Adobe to explore and understand the potential impact and benefits to both business clients and Contributors in introducing these offers.
 
To answer the question about what unlimited really means it means there is no monthly cap on number of downloads. While we do not anticipate abuse due to the limited availability of these plans, our team will be closely monitoring customer behavior to ensure it remains in the best interest of all parties involved.
 
Theres a nuance here that I want to make a bit more clear, and that is: the existing customer base for stock isnt going anywhere. These new offers are primarily aimed at equipping more users in SMB and enterprise organizations with access to creative tools and stock content users who typically arent currently licensing stock. We are leveraging the massive base of customers loyal to Adobe around the world to continue growing the marketplace. This benefits contributors, customers, and Adobe Stock.
 
Adobe needs to be responsive to market changes, while balancing the needs of creative Contributors, maximizing your value and payouts, too.

Regarding the questions about royalty calculations, every day, we generate an overall earnings pool equal to 33% of our total Adobe Stock CCE Pro revenue for the day. We then allocate these earnings to contributors based on the number of downloads. As a reminder, for customers taking advantage of the first year free offer, Adobe Stock is absorbing this cost. The revenue they would be paying outside of the promo offer is added into the overall earnings pool.

To clarify the difference in licenses. Pro Edition for Enterprise customers (CCE) downloads are provided an Extended license and Pro Edition for Teams (CCT) are provided an Enhanced license. Please review the links provided in the FAQ for additional information about the license agreements.
https://helpx.adobe.com/stock/contributor/help/contributor-faq-for-cct-cce-pro-edition-.html

I am traveling tomorrow for a family matter but will do my best to check in when I can. We truly appreciate your feedback and value your contribution to Adobe Stock.

Thank you,

Mat Hayward

ShadySue

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« Reply #44 on: April 15, 2021, 20:39 »
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Theres a nuance here that I want to make a bit more clear, and that is: the existing customer base for stock isnt going anywhere. These new offers are primarily aimed at equipping more users in SMB and enterprise organizations with access to creative tools and stock content users who typically arent currently licensing stock.

How often Getty have said similar things when they introduce less favourable sales: "we're reaching people who don't currently license stock". But strangely enough, earnings decrease each time, whereas if they were telling the truth, they'd increase, if only by a bit: regular buyers would still be buying and there would be new buyers buying at lower rates.

Won't your loyal regular buyers be miffed to find that newbies are getting preferential rates? "I want what they're having."

« Reply #45 on: April 15, 2021, 20:41 »
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I was just wondering 

Could Dreamstime turn out to be the Next Big Thing???

You have to see the pattern here I hope.
- Getty/Istock is evil we love Shutterstock
- Oh, uh, Shutterstock is now evil, we love Adobe
- Oh, uh, Adobe is now evil, we love.........


Yeah, I actually do see that pattern. My question was meant to be tongue-in-cheek, or maybe ironic.
« Last Edit: April 15, 2021, 20:47 by marthamarks »

PaulieWalnuts

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« Reply #46 on: April 15, 2021, 21:17 »
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I was just wondering 

Could Dreamstime turn out to be the Next Big Thing???

You have to see the pattern here I hope.
- Getty/Istock is evil we love Shutterstock
- Oh, uh, Shutterstock is now evil, we love Adobe
- Oh, uh, Adobe is now evil, we love.........


Yeah, I actually do see that pattern. My question was meant to be tongue-in-cheek, or maybe ironic.

Haaa, okay. I've seen this exact same question asked over and over so I missed the sarcasm on this one.

« Reply #47 on: April 15, 2021, 21:19 »
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I was just wondering 

Could Dreamstime turn out to be the Next Big Thing???

You have to see the pattern here I hope.
- Getty/Istock is evil we love Shutterstock
- Oh, uh, Shutterstock is now evil, we love Adobe
- Oh, uh, Adobe is now evil, we love.........


Yeah, I actually do see that pattern. My question was meant to be tongue-in-cheek, or maybe ironic.

Haaa, okay. I've seen this exact same question asked over and over so I missed the sarcasm on this one.

I knew that! These days, it's so hard to understand what people "really mean" or what's "real and true" that we're all a bit on our guard. With good reason.

« Reply #48 on: April 15, 2021, 21:43 »
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Matt,
Seeing as we already get sales listed as Custom shouldnt these be called something else in the spirit if true transparency?

« Reply #49 on: April 15, 2021, 21:45 »
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Unpopular opinion here, so I expect a lot of downvote. But I'll still chip in.

I actually like this move from Adobe. This move is very different from royalty cut like what other agencies did recently. What Adobe did here is pulling in new customers by offering better things. I would rather these customers getting cheaply from Adobe then stealing our stuffs from pirated site. This is very similar move by Canva who at the end double your earnings by offering unlimited download. They did it with success, and I am very surprised.

Sad to say this, but the unlimited download thing is inevitable. If Adobe don't offer unlimited, others agencies will, and that would make Adobe less relevance. If old-time-contributor like you and me don't submit to unlimited agencies, other new-contributors will submit. This is not something we can stop even if we wanted to. Supply over demand, what can I say more?

So, Mat Hayward, I wish Adobe can prove many of us wrong, and show us our improved earnings in near future :)





 

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