Author Topic: Adobe Stock generative AI reminders (Read 22899 times)

PokemonMaster · « **Reply #150 on:** September 20, 2023, 11:16 »

Quote from: MatHayward on September 18, 2023, 09:32

Yes, you are correct.

-Mat

Matt, while you're here, can you clear up the situation with the Vector AI?
Is Vector AI allowed or planned to be allowed?
By vector AI, I mean a wide range of tools and techniques, from reworking AI raster images and getting inspiration from them, to using AI that creates a vector from scratch, without a raster in the middle.
And I don't mean basic AI image autotracing, which will inevitably lead to spam.

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #151 on:** September 22, 2023, 19:15 »

The total size of the genAI vector collection is down - I just looked and it's 118,194 - but there are still new approvals - the most recent is file ID 650558560

The total size on Monday was 119,358, but even then there were new images that hadn't been there the week before. I don't understand why they're continuing to approve new genAI vector images if they're also removing the previously approved ones and saying that the rules are you can't submit genAI vectors.

The contributor who has the newest genAI vector has just over 300 genAI vectors in their portfolio along with tens of thousands of human-created vectors.

I would guess that the contributor doesn't see anything amiss as their genAI work keeps getting approved...

Not only should the moderators reject these vectors, they should have a clear, specific reason: "Generative AI vectors are not permitted".

Contributors can act on that information and will stop submitting (at least an established contributor like this one will; they won't want to waste time creating things that aren't accepted).

karmalama · « **Reply #152 on:** September 22, 2023, 21:06 »

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Anyka · « **Reply #153 on:** September 23, 2023, 01:18 »

Did anyone have anything rejected because of mentioning "antique" artists' names? I often mention styles like "Rembrandt" and "Vermeer", but they died 400 years ago ... Does Adobe say anything about long-dead artists? (and do the reviewers know?)

Her Ugliness · « **Reply #154 on:** September 23, 2023, 01:45 »

Quote from: Anyka on September 23, 2023, 01:18

Did anyone have anything rejected because of mentioning "antique" artists' names? I often mention styles like "Rembrandt" and "Vermeer", but they died 400 years ago ... Does Adobe say anything about long-dead artists? (and do the reviewers know?)

Adobe's website says this:

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Content created by prompting with artist names if their works are no longer under copyright may be acceptable as long as you verify that no other rights apply to the prompt (e.g., publicity rights, cultural heritage rights, etc.). If you are unsure if you have the necessary rights, do not submit content made using that prompt.

Personally I would not risk it. Adobe has a twitchy finger when banning accounts.

Anyka · « **Reply #155 on:** September 23, 2023, 02:44 »

Quote from: Her Ugliness on September 23, 2023, 01:45

Adobe's website says this:
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Content created by prompting with artist names if their works are no longer under copyright may be acceptable as long as you verify that no other rights apply to the prompt (e.g., publicity rights, cultural heritage rights, etc.). If you are unsure if you have the necessary rights, do not submit content made using that prompt.

Personally I would not risk it. Adobe has a twitchy finger when banning accounts.

For "Rembrandt" it's far to late, as I use the keyword in the meaning of "Rembrandt lighting" a lot, but the word "Vermeer" I could remove from already submitted images I suppose ... although there are hundreds of "Vermeer" images online, including 200 girls with pearl earrings, and only 8 of them are editorial.

I do realize I'm on the wrong topic here, as I was talking about "real" photos, not AI ...

PokemonMaster · « **Reply #156 on:** September 24, 2023, 12:04 »

Quote from: Jo Ann Snover on September 22, 2023, 19:15

The total size on Monday was 119,358, but even then there were new images that hadn't been there the week before. I don't understand why they're continuing to approve new genAI vector images if they're also removing the previously approved ones and saying that the rules are you can't submit genAI vectors.

I would guess that the contributor doesn't see anything amiss as their genAI work keeps getting approved...

First of all, not all of these vectors are really an AI. Far from it. It's not like "they keep approving." I talked to support and they didn't say it directly, but implied that it was some kind of glitch. I think the AI reviewer is doing this and they just don't know how to stop it

Secondly, Mat doesn't give a clear answer as to whether this is allowed or not. The support engineer I spoke with referred me to the FAQ. But there are no prohibitions. There is a policy regarding raster AI. All other types are not mentioned. The FAQ was clearly written before vector AI became a thing. So, at the moment there is no policy in this regard

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #157 on:** September 24, 2023, 14:15 »

Quote from: PokemonMaster on September 24, 2023, 12:04

...Secondly, Mat doesn't give a clear answer as to whether this is allowed or not.

https://www.microstockgroup.com/fotolia-com/adobe-stock-generti/msg591340/#msg591340

Seemed pretty clear to me - Adobe Stock doesn't accept it. It's true, it's not in their official dos & don'ts list on Adobe's web site.

It would be a very good idea to put something explicit into that page about all the asset types found on Adobe Stock with a check mark or an X depending on whether it's allowed or not.

As far as a bug making 120k human created vectors into AI work, that's possible, but would suggest it's really low priority given how long it's been going on.

PokemonMaster · « **Reply #158 on:** September 24, 2023, 21:53 »

Quote from: Jo Ann Snover on September 24, 2023, 14:15

Quote from: PokemonMaster on September 24, 2023, 12:04
...Secondly, Mat doesn't give a clear answer as to whether this is allowed or not.

https://www.microstockgroup.com/fotolia-com/adobe-stock-generti/msg591340/#msg591340

Seemed pretty clear to me - Adobe Stock doesn't accept it. It's true, it's not in their official dos & don'ts list on Adobe's web site.

It would be a very good idea to put something explicit into that page about all the asset types found on Adobe Stock with a check mark or an X depending on whether it's allowed or not.

As far as a bug making 120k human created vectors into AI work, that's possible, but would suggest it's really low priority given how long it's been going on.

Mat also said "Using the tool as inspiration is one thing, auto-trace or something similar I would avoid at all cost."
To me it sounds like he's talking about auto-tracing and "something like that". Inspiration seems to be allowed. And at the moment he doesn't know that people can do a lot of things with AI. From redrawing AI-images where no one can tell what you did because you'll have the original wireframe to prove it, to AIs creating valid SVG vectors from prompts. And much more. For me it does not look like "something like auto-tracing"

Kenneth_17 · « **Reply #159 on:** September 25, 2023, 12:39 »

Is it safe to use holiday names in AI-generated content? Like if I (or actually AI) make a banner for Black Friday or Cyber Monday with that text? Or any international "insert random thing" day? Like international headphone day, or international day of poker players?

Her Ugliness · « **Reply #160 on:** September 25, 2023, 13:52 »

Quote from: Kenneth_17 on September 25, 2023, 12:39

Is it safe to use holiday names in AI-generated content? Like if I (or actually AI) make a banner for Black Friday or Cyber Monday with that text? Or any international "insert random thing" day? Like international headphone day, or international day of poker players?

Why should it not be? Holiday names are not copyrighted.

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #161 on:** September 25, 2023, 14:54 »

WFT???

https://stock.adobe.com/search?creator_id=210680721&order=creation&k=inisial

They're not the letters the titles say; over 100 meaningless white lines on black. I'd fire any designer that brought me those as logos.

How does this get approved?

If this were not an AI generated image, wouldn't that have been rejected for "aesthetic or commercial appeal of image"?

Lukeruk · « **Reply #162 on:** September 25, 2023, 16:05 »

Quote from: MatHayward on August 19, 2023, 15:15

Very important:

-Do not submit any assets created with prompts in the style of other artists or referring to famous people or brands.

Hi Mat,

Is there any chance that this rule can be applied to all content, not just the AI generated?

synthetick · « **Reply #163 on:** September 29, 2023, 01:15 »

There is a rule that AI videos are not allowed, but why do I keep seeing heaps of animated videos on Adobe Stock that consist of an AI-generated still image plus a few overlays from a phone app for animating stills, such as bokeh particles or butterflies? This portfolio is the sort of thing I am talking about:
https://stock.adobe.com/search/video?creator_id=207826067

If these kind of videos are going to be accepted then please at least label them as generative AI.

PokemonMaster · « **Reply #164 on:** September 29, 2023, 06:10 »

Quote from: synthetick on September 29, 2023, 01:15

There is a rule that AI videos are not allowed, but why do I keep seeing heaps of animated videos on Adobe Stock that consist of an AI-generated still image plus a few overlays from a phone app for animating stills, such as bokeh particles or butterflies? This portfolio is the sort of thing I am talking about:
https://stock.adobe.com/search/video?creator_id=207826067

If these kind of videos are going to be accepted then please at least label them as generative AI.

Is there such a rule? Can you point to it in the FAQ or TOS?
I haven't heard anyone talk about this because AI video was almost non-existent two months ago and there is still very little of it.

synthetick · « **Reply #165 on:** September 29, 2023, 06:23 »

Quote from: PokemonMaster on September 29, 2023, 06:10

Is there such a rule? Can you point to it in the FAQ or TOS?
I haven't heard anyone talk about this because AI video was almost non-existent two months ago and there is still very little of it.

https://www.synthetick.com/Screenshot-AI-video.png

From Discord

PokemonMaster · « **Reply #166 on:** September 29, 2023, 13:05 »

Quote from: synthetick on September 29, 2023, 06:23

Quote from: PokemonMaster on September 29, 2023, 06:10
Is there such a rule? Can you point to it in the FAQ or TOS?
I haven't heard anyone talk about this because AI video was almost non-existent two months ago and there is still very little of it.

https://www.synthetick.com/Screenshot-AI-video.png

From Discord

Good. Except there is no official policy and not everyone monitors Discord. Personally, I don't have time to check it. It's just not fair...

cobalt · « **Reply #167 on:** September 29, 2023, 13:57 »

Quote from: synthetick on September 29, 2023, 01:15

There is a rule that AI videos are not allowed, but why do I keep seeing heaps of animated videos on Adobe Stock that consist of an AI-generated still image plus a few overlays from a phone app for animating stills, such as bokeh particles or butterflies? This portfolio is the sort of thing I am talking about:
https://stock.adobe.com/search/video?creator_id=207826067

If these kind of videos are going to be accepted then please at least label them as generative AI.

Would it be so difficult to allow ai video?

I am sure lots of people would love to experiment with that.

You can always start with a low number of upload slots to prevent the video queue from being overwhelmed

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #168 on:** September 29, 2023, 16:15 »

There are currently 873 video items tagged as genAI. That's been growing over the last month or so, but very, very slowly. 356 two months ago vs 791 in the middle of August.

They seem to be lots of animated illustrations - moving through an AI image like the Ken Burns effect.

Given how utterly broken the AI inspection process is at the moment, I think Adobe Stock would do better to work on filtering out all the "oops" images and endless spam repeats first. New approvals are not getting better, IMO.

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #169 on:** September 29, 2023, 16:58 »

Harping on about the rules for AI content being "anything goes" with respect to similars...

93 "blue jay" images . Never mind that other than being blue and a bird, they're far from an actual blue jay. How do you get to have 93 with minimal variations?

https://stock.adobe.com/search?creator_id=211160654?&order=creation&k=%22blue%20jay%22

Back in the Spring, I had two photos of a particular species of plant - the second one was rejected as being similar. Mine were actual photos of actual plants

Nice touch to add the beads in the bird's feathers, but there's nothing in the title or keywords to call attention to this, so I assume this is accidental - just what Midjourney or whoever decided to add.

What is the point of bulking up the Adobe Stock collection with so much stuff when it can't possibly all sell? Even with the current buzziness of anything AI. There aren't more buyers than before and they don't need more images/illustrations than before.

The regular collection already has 26,336 blue jay photos (none of them mine; I'm ranting in principle, not because my images are threatened).

Accept the two or three genAI blue jays with beads in their feathers and then the collection is improved. What possible value is there in 90+ fake blue jays with useless keywords?

synthetick · « **Reply #170 on:** September 29, 2023, 17:31 »

My video portfolio is pretty much all animation done in After Effects. I've been working on getting some vertical Christmas videos made and uploaded, but I started to question whether it was worth it when I realised they are potentially going to get overwhelmed by the quantity of AI-generated vertical Christmas videos. I'm biased of course

but I think my animations are better than videos made from putting a slight pan and some sprinkles from a phone app onto an AI-generated still image.

alexandersr · « **Reply #171 on:** September 29, 2023, 17:33 »

It's true that now renders image or videos made by humans using programs like Cinema 4D, Blender, Autodesk 3D Max for example have to be included as AI images or videos? All this without using AI tools. Thanks! I don't use AI tools.

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #172 on:** September 30, 2023, 08:50 »

Looking at new approvals in the genAI collection this morning (bad habit, I know...), #11 out of 17,943,949 is this clunker.

Businessman's Energetic Leap Across Stairs and Spaces, White Shirt Contrast

HOW does this get approved?

Her Ugliness · « **Reply #173 on:** September 30, 2023, 10:34 »

Quote from: Jo Ann Snover on September 30, 2023, 08:50

Looking at new approvals in the genAI collection this morning (bad habit, I know...), #11 out of 17,943,949 is this clunker.

Businessman's Energetic Leap Across Stairs and Spaces, White Shirt Contrast

HOW does this get approved?

I am not only asking myself "How does this get approved?", but also "How does this get submitted?". It's really impossible to miss, so the person having AI create this image must have noticed the 3 legs, right? And wher are the stairs? And, why does this businessman not look like a businessman at all? What is happening here? I do not understand people.

Injustice for all · « **Reply #174 on:** September 30, 2023, 11:04 »

Quote from: Jo Ann Snover on September 30, 2023, 08:50

Looking at new approvals in the genAI collection this morning (bad habit, I know...), #11 out of 17,943,949 is this clunker.

Businessman's Energetic Leap Across Stairs and Spaces, White Shirt Contrast

HOW does this get approved?

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