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« Reply #125 on: September 03, 2023, 04:16 »
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To illustrate my point, from new approvals

Logos - Midjourney loves Apple

.

Specific places - Persepolis was first up



Furious cobra logo (vector)



Warhol, Mondrian and Hockney (same images show up for both search terms), Jackson Pollock, Matisse

Jo Ann, I appreciate your hard work finding these. But putting these on a small forum like this one may not be the best course of action. It's obvious Adobe won't care unless they get hit financially because of this. Have you considered contacting the companies whose rights have been violated directly? How about some tech websites like petapixel?

Just dont put anything on the Adobe contributor community forum, the giys on there defend Adobe irrationally like their life depends on it. Complete waste of time that place.


« Reply #126 on: September 03, 2023, 04:27 »
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Financially their life probably does depend on it.

I really like Adobe, but situations like these make it clear as a stock producer you must work with many places and also be prepared that some disaster might strike that you cannot control.

The producers reporting an account blocked for more than 2 months because criminals tested stolen credit cards on their porthow do you protect yourself from this?

And two months is literally deadly. It will kill the ranking of everything uploaded in the last 12 months.

So I hope Adobe finds a more nuanced way to handle these issues.

Including a proper process with case number, a visible waiting queue etcthese things have been around forever.

The admins are working super hard, but their job could be made a lot easier.

And of course I hope they fix the inspection process.

« Reply #127 on: September 03, 2023, 05:50 »
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I clicked on this interior that Jo Ann posted and found that apart from bad interiors, their portfolio is full of Barbie IP infrigements!

If only there were a method to report this to Adobe... for example, a Discord channel..

lol

« Reply #128 on: September 05, 2023, 01:28 »
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I'm considering using AI-generated images as a reference for colors and composition, and then redrawing them using Adobe Illustrator with additional elements. Will upload it as Vector illustration. Do I still need to show that it is AI generated? Thanks

Someone asked Matt a the question "if the AI generated image is used as a sketch and heavily processed after, must we always write made with generative AI?" and the answer was yes.
Though, it's not like Adobe really has a way to know that you used an AI or even care, seeing as how many obvious AI images that are not labaled as AI are their database.....


Mat, We need a clear answer.

We do not accept generative AI vector images. I strongly advise against what you are suggesting. Using the tool as inspiration is one thing, auto-trace or something similar I would avoid at all cost.

Thanks for the question,

Mat Hayward

If you use the filters "Vector" + "gernerative AI only", you get 120000 results. This is quite a lot considering that these files are not accepted.

« Reply #129 on: September 06, 2023, 10:07 »
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I'm considering using AI-generated images as a reference for colors and composition, and then redrawing them using Adobe Illustrator with additional elements. Will upload it as Vector illustration. Do I still need to show that it is AI generated? Thanks

Someone asked Matt a the question "if the AI generated image is used as a sketch and heavily processed after, must we always write made with generative AI?" and the answer was yes.
Though, it's not like Adobe really has a way to know that you used an AI or even care, seeing as how many obvious AI images that are not labaled as AI are their database.....


Mat, We need a clear answer.

We do not accept generative AI vector images. I strongly advise against what you are suggesting. Using the tool as inspiration is one thing, auto-trace or something similar I would avoid at all cost.

Thanks for the question,

Mat Hayward
I am sorry Matt, but I have to ask one more time, because it looks like the situation is changed.

I've SEEN approved vectors, marked as Generative AI. Not in the title/keywords, but marked by the rewiever. What is the current policy about it? Of course, I am not talking about an autotrace, which in my opinion is not a good way for any vector content. But there are a lot of ways currently. There's already a vector-only AI engines available for icons.
I'd say, by the 2024 it will be something you can't stop, but can control.

« Reply #130 on: September 06, 2023, 17:52 »
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I don't think reviewers are labelling vectors as Gen. AI. It's being done by Adobe Stock's automated AI detection system, which doesn't seem to have been programmed to ignore vectors, so it just treats them the same as JPEG's and if it think they look like AI it puts a "Generated with AI" label on them. I don't submit any AI but I found that around 3% of my images were mislabelled as "Generated with AI" including a handful of vectors. Everyone should check their portfolios for mislabelled content. Someone on the Discord server posted this handy method to check your portfolio: Go to your page and add this to the end of the link: &filters[gentech]=only&  and it will filter everything else than "ai generated" out. Then you can send the file numbers to support using the Contact Us link at the bottom of your dashboard and ask for the Gen.AI label to be removed. (And wait weeks for them to do it and get back to you.)

« Reply #131 on: September 07, 2023, 02:02 »
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I don't think reviewers are labelling vectors as Gen. AI. It's being done by Adobe Stock's automated AI detection system, which doesn't seem to have been programmed to ignore vectors, so it just treats them the same as JPEG's and if it think they look like AI it puts a "Generated with AI" label on them. I don't submit any AI but I found that around 3% of my images were mislabelled as "Generated with AI" including a handful of vectors. Everyone should check their portfolios for mislabelled content. Someone on the Discord server posted this handy method to check your portfolio: Go to your page and add this to the end of the link: &filters[gentech]=only&  and it will filter everything else than "ai generated" out. Then you can send the file numbers to support using the Contact Us link at the bottom of your dashboard and ask for the Gen.AI label to be removed. (And wait weeks for them to do it and get back to you.)


Unfortunately it doesn't work for me as you describe, but by sampling I now had to find out that I too have "AI generated" images, even though I've never uploaded any.

Why does Adobe do this?
What is the point behind it?
If someone filters out AI images, I get penalized because then images of mine don't show up in the results.

This is an outrage! And misleading the buyer!

Mat: Can you enlighten us what this is about?

Do I really have to search out all the images now and ask AS to fix it?

« Reply #132 on: September 07, 2023, 03:47 »
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If someone filters out AI images, I get penalized because then images of mine don't show up in the results.

This is an outrage! And misleading the buyer!
More to say, I had an issue with iStock, which found that one of my vectors are marked as AI on Adobe. They blocked me and we had a conversation.
I have a story behind, so probably everyone should not panic about it. However, there was a risky situation.

« Reply #133 on: September 07, 2023, 05:41 »
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Hi Matt,

I found many Generative AI vector documents in the link below. I also prepared one, but the Generative AI checkbox does not appear on the vector page while uploading.
Then I found this page and wanted to ask you. Adobe Stock support pages do not say that Generative AI vector files are not accepted. Or I couldn't find it.

If uploading generative AI vector is forbidden, how is this possible?


newbielink:https://stock.adobe.com/uk/search?filters%5Bcontent_type%3Azip_vector%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Aimage%5D=1&filters%5Bgentech%5D=only&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Aphoto%5D=0&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Aillustration%5D=0&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Avideo%5D=0&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Atemplate%5D=0&filters%5Bcontent_type%3A3d%5D=0&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Aaudio%5D=0&filters%5Binclude_stock_enterprise%5D=0&filters%5Bis_editorial%5D=0&filters%5Bfree_collection%5D=0&order=relevance&safe_search=1&limit=100&search_type=pagination&search_page=6&acp=&get_facets=0 [nonactive]

Thanks

« Reply #134 on: September 07, 2023, 05:57 »
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Unfortunately it doesn't work for me as you describe, but by sampling I now had to find out that I too have "AI generated" images, even though I've never uploaded any.

Wilm try this link to filter your portfolio: https://stock.adobe.com/contributor/201081893/wilm-ihlenfeld?load_type=author&prev_url=detail&filters[gentech]=only&

sorry I can't get this to format properly maybe because of the [] brackets but you can just copy and paste. You only have 3 files marked as Ai so don't be too stressed about it!
« Last Edit: September 07, 2023, 06:02 by synthetick »

« Reply #135 on: September 07, 2023, 06:34 »
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This works too if you put ?filters[gentech]=only& at the end of your the Adobe Stock link that is on your posts here. Like this: https://stock.adobe.com/contributor/201081893/wilm-ihlenfeld?filters[gentech]=only&

« Reply #136 on: September 07, 2023, 09:03 »
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If someone filters out AI images, I get penalized because then images of mine don't show up in the results.

This is an outrage! And misleading the buyer!
More to say, I had an issue with iStock, which found that one of my vectors are marked as AI on Adobe. They blocked me and we had a conversation.
I have a story behind, so probably everyone should not panic about it. However, there was a risky situation.

That is not funny at all.

« Reply #137 on: September 07, 2023, 10:33 »
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Unfortunately it doesn't work for me as you describe, but by sampling I now had to find out that I too have "AI generated" images, even though I've never uploaded any.

Wilm try this link to filter your portfolio: https://stock.adobe.com/contributor/201081893/wilm-ihlenfeld?load_type=author&prev_url=detail&filters[gentech]=only&

sorry I can't get this to format properly maybe because of the [] brackets but you can just copy and paste. You only have 3 files marked as Ai so don't be too stressed about it!

You don't need the final ampersand - that's the intro character for a parameter. And if you use escaped characters for the brackets - %5D - then the link will work

https://stock.adobe.com/contributor/201081893/wilm-ihlenfeld?&filters%5Bgentech%5D=only

If you want to show only the non AI content, you can use &filters%5Bgentech%5D=exclude

You can tack other filters on to your portfolio link too - like showing it in download order or newest first:

?&order=nb_downloads

?&order=creation

You only need the question mark once after the URL and then start each additional filter with an ampersand

« Reply #138 on: September 07, 2023, 13:45 »
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Unfortunately it doesn't work for me as you describe, but by sampling I now had to find out that I too have "AI generated" images, even though I've never uploaded any.

Wilm try this link to filter your portfolio: https://stock.adobe.com/contributor/201081893/wilm-ihlenfeld?load_type=author&prev_url=detail&filters[gentech]=only&

sorry I can't get this to format properly maybe because of the [] brackets but you can just copy and paste. You only have 3 files marked as Ai so don't be too stressed about it!

Thank you very much! Now it works.  :)

Only four of my files are affected. I will contact Adobe.

« Reply #139 on: September 07, 2023, 13:47 »
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Unfortunately it doesn't work for me as you describe, but by sampling I now had to find out that I too have "AI generated" images, even though I've never uploaded any.

Wilm try this link to filter your portfolio: https://stock.adobe.com/contributor/201081893/wilm-ihlenfeld?load_type=author&prev_url=detail&filters[gentech]=only&

sorry I can't get this to format properly maybe because of the [] brackets but you can just copy and paste. You only have 3 files marked as Ai so don't be too stressed about it!

You don't need the final ampersand - that's the intro character for a parameter. And if you use escaped characters for the brackets - %5D - then the link will work

https://stock.adobe.com/contributor/201081893/wilm-ihlenfeld?&filters%5Bgentech%5D=only

If you want to show only the non AI content, you can use &filters%5Bgentech%5D=exclude

You can tack other filters on to your portfolio link too - like showing it in download order or newest first:

?&order=nb_downloads

?&order=creation

You only need the question mark once after the URL and then start each additional filter with an ampersand

Thank you as well, Jo Ann.  :)

« Reply #140 on: September 10, 2023, 18:53 »
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I continue to see huge quantities of broken photo-realistic genAI content that should have been rejected by inspectors - I was looking through this evening's new approvals and here's a tiny selection of examples.

The genAI collection is now over 15.5 million. Given the high volume of unsaleable mistakes, I'd suggest tighter upload limits until the inspections can get a grip.









Mutant turkey is apparently a thing this season...


 




« Reply #141 on: September 11, 2023, 07:34 »
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I just had a few photo ai images for Halloween and christmas approved while other non seasonal images are still in the queue.

Thank you for choosing seasonal images first. This really helps.

« Reply #142 on: September 15, 2023, 08:16 »
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On istock they have a clear reminder that even if a small part is changed with ai, it is ai generated and cannot be sent to istock.

On Adobe it would have to be marked as generated with ai tools.
This would now also apply to the Generative Fill in the new PS version. Even if you only use it for removing things like cigarette stubs on a sidewalk. So we all should use the "good" old methods of removing things.
Furthermore Adobe says in the user guidelines that you are not allowed to use the results for AI training or allow third parties to do so on your results. So in effect you won't be allowed to upload those images to any stock agency because most "lend" the images for AI training.

« Reply #143 on: September 15, 2023, 09:02 »
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If you use the filters "Vector" + "gernerative AI only", you get 120000 results. This is quite a lot considering that these files are not accepted.
I spoke to the support and they are probably going to fix it. Probably, by re-reviewing. Soon, I guess.

At this day, I think, real Vector-AI will be punished. Because Adobe is not accepting Vector AI. While I don't see any clear answer of a line in ToS about it.

Is there a way to question Mat directly? Because I really think it's time to start thinking of AI-vectors as a separate thing, like AI images. Look at Shutterstock, which claims zero tolerance for AI. Their database is full of it. And they will never know what is human-made now, they will never be able to roll it back.

« Reply #144 on: September 15, 2023, 09:02 »
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del

« Reply #145 on: September 16, 2023, 03:21 »
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If you use the filters "Vector" + "gernerative AI only", you get 120000 results. This is quite a lot considering that these files are not accepted.
I spoke to the support and they are probably going to fix it. Probably, by re-reviewing. Soon, I guess.

At this day, I think, real Vector-AI will be punished. Because Adobe is not accepting Vector AI. While I don't see any clear answer of a line in ToS about it.

Is there a way to question Mat directly? Because I really think it's time to start thinking of AI-vectors as a separate thing, like AI images. Look at Shutterstock, which claims zero tolerance for AI. Their database is full of it. And they will never know what is human-made now, they will never be able to roll it back.

Is this really the intention at all? So, if I remove a minuscule logo with the new 'remove' tool, do I have to label my photo as 'generated with AI'? This completely misses the point, doesn't it? 'Modified by AI' would cover it better, but I still find it completely nonsensical

Edit: Nevermind. I wrote nonsense

 https://www.microstockgroup.com/fotolia-com/announcing-adobe-firefly-a-new-family-of-creative-generative-ai-models/msg592314/#msg592314
« Last Edit: September 16, 2023, 08:11 by Kenneth_17 »

« Reply #146 on: September 16, 2023, 03:38 »
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As announced in September 2022, Getty Images does not accept files created using AI generative models. This includes Adobes recently announced Creative Cloud tools, which are now available with its Firefly-powered generative AI tools built in.

« Reply #147 on: September 16, 2023, 04:10 »
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If you use the filters "Vector" + "gernerative AI only", you get 120000 results. This is quite a lot considering that these files are not accepted.
I spoke to the support and they are probably going to fix it. Probably, by re-reviewing. Soon, I guess.

At this day, I think, real Vector-AI will be punished. Because Adobe is not accepting Vector AI. While I don't see any clear answer of a line in ToS about it.

Is there a way to question Mat directly? Because I really think it's time to start thinking of AI-vectors as a separate thing, like AI images. Look at Shutterstock, which claims zero tolerance for AI. Their database is full of it. And they will never know what is human-made now, they will never be able to roll it back.

Is this really the intention at all? So, if I remove a minuscule logo with the new 'remove' tool, do I have to label my photo as 'generated with AI'? This completely misses the point, doesn't it? 'Modified by AI' would cover it better, but I still find it completely nonsensical

If I understand Mat Hayward's comment correctly, you don't need to  label your image as generative AI if you just remove something with generative AI tools.

Examples when to label your image as generative AI:

-Generating new additions, such as a new person, animal, or object
-Adding new subjects might compromise the accuracy of an image
-Making significant adjustments or changes to a human subject in an image
-Recoloring the primary subject of an image

Examples when you wouldnt be obligated to label an image as generative AI:

-Extending background for any reason
-Removing IP or other forms of retouching
-Removing distracting objects or people
-Recoloring the background of an image

https://www.microstockgroup.com/fotolia-com/announcing-adobe-firefly-a-new-family-of-creative-generative-ai-models/100/

« Reply #148 on: September 18, 2023, 09:32 »
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If you use the filters "Vector" + "gernerative AI only", you get 120000 results. This is quite a lot considering that these files are not accepted.
I spoke to the support and they are probably going to fix it. Probably, by re-reviewing. Soon, I guess.

At this day, I think, real Vector-AI will be punished. Because Adobe is not accepting Vector AI. While I don't see any clear answer of a line in ToS about it.

Is there a way to question Mat directly? Because I really think it's time to start thinking of AI-vectors as a separate thing, like AI images. Look at Shutterstock, which claims zero tolerance for AI. Their database is full of it. And they will never know what is human-made now, they will never be able to roll it back.

Is this really the intention at all? So, if I remove a minuscule logo with the new 'remove' tool, do I have to label my photo as 'generated with AI'? This completely misses the point, doesn't it? 'Modified by AI' would cover it better, but I still find it completely nonsensical

If I understand Mat Hayward's comment correctly, you don't need to  label your image as generative AI if you just remove something with generative AI tools.

Examples when to label your image as generative AI:

-Generating new additions, such as a new person, animal, or object
-Adding new subjects might compromise the accuracy of an image
-Making significant adjustments or changes to a human subject in an image
-Recoloring the primary subject of an image

Examples when you wouldnt be obligated to label an image as generative AI:

-Extending background for any reason
-Removing IP or other forms of retouching
-Removing distracting objects or people
-Recoloring the background of an image

https://www.microstockgroup.com/fotolia-com/announcing-adobe-firefly-a-new-family-of-creative-generative-ai-models/100/

Yes, you are correct.

-Mat

« Reply #149 on: September 19, 2023, 20:20 »
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This looks like the entire portfolio is Generative AI but only about 2% of the images are tagged as Gen. AI:
https://stock.adobe.com/search?creator_id=211324434


 

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