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« Reply #25 on: September 18, 2019, 13:31 »
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I don't sell on Adobe Stock but I did watch the webinar. I wondered a lot why they don't have a controlled vocabulary system like Gettyimages. CV would do away with problems that seems to come up with different ways of spelling words and phrases and would make translation much easier. CV would be a pain in the butt to setup, but once setup would be a more reliable way to search (IMHO).

Also I wondered a lot about the putting the most important top 10 keywords first. That would be a pain in the butt to do manually for all images. Keywording is already time consuming enough as it is, without spending time thinking about which 10 keywords is even more important. In fact in my own experience selling on iStock, I've actually noticed that I had no idea which words customers use the most to find my own images, not until I started spending time looking at the landing page for each of my images and look at the keyword order that has been rearranged by iStock in order of searches. Since I only sell on iStock I could be quite biased, but I think their method of doing A/B testing on keywords and organically figuring out which ones are more important is a better method than the contributor choosing which ones. That is the entire point of A/B testing, that customers know best.

I also thought that when there are 50 keywords all keywords are flat vs 49 keywords or less, then keywords are weighted. Seems not smart. A/B testing would have solved this quirk. There is no need to assume someone is spamming if they have 50 keywords vs 49 if you just did A/B testing.

Anyway, these are just my uneducated thoughts.


« Reply #26 on: September 19, 2019, 03:50 »
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Replay is not available?
I missed the beginning, and wanted to replay it, but nothing happens when I hit the Play button  :-[

« Reply #27 on: December 02, 2019, 08:22 »
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Well worth watching.
The main 3 takes for me where:
(i) titles are searchable
(ii) top 10 keywords are prioritised higher
(iii) 50 keywords stops point (ii) above.

The depressing thing is a large chunk of my portfolio has 50 keywords because years ago when i started i was told more is better!  and i havent got the inclination to go through 10,000+ images deleting 1 keyword or so from each!

A future presentation on search would be very welcome.

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #28 on: December 02, 2019, 15:10 »
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Well worth watching.
The main 3 takes for me where:
(i) titles are searchable
(ii) top 10 keywords are prioritised higher
(iii) 50 keywords stops point (ii) above.

The depressing thing is a large chunk of my portfolio has 50 keywords because years ago when i started i was told more is better!  and i havent got the inclination to go through 10,000+ images deleting 1 keyword or so from each!

A future presentation on search would be very welcome.

What does this actually mean in the real world?

(ii) top 10 keywords are prioritised higher

Can anyone explain for me? If all the words are searched and most of my images have 25 or less, how does that change where and how a buyer finds my images? I mean if all words and the title are searched, wouldn't they find them anyway?


« Reply #29 on: December 02, 2019, 15:35 »
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It means they use keyword order as one of the factors in ranking search results.

I.e. if the keyword the buyer searches for is within the first ten keywords of an image, this image will be displayed before those images that don't have that keyword in their first ten (all other factors being equal...)

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #30 on: December 02, 2019, 15:39 »
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It means they use keyword order as one of the factors in ranking search results.

I.e. if the keyword the buyer searches for is within the first ten keywords of an image, this image will be displayed before those images that don't have that keyword in their first ten (all other factors being equal...)

Wanted to make sure I understood that correctly. OK first ten are weighted more heavily. If I have some that are "similar" I might want to use different top ten words, I mean alter the 6 -10 words for example for different details of the subject.

I've always treated the top 5 or was it 7 or is it 9 as the top nine.  :) Now I'll make that a Top Ten List!  8)

« Reply #31 on: December 02, 2019, 20:54 »
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It means they use keyword order as one of the factors in ranking search results.

I.e. if the keyword the buyer searches for is within the first ten keywords of an image, this image will be displayed before those images that don't have that keyword in their first ten (all other factors being equal...)

Wanted to make sure I understood that correctly. OK first ten are weighted more heavily. If I have some that are "similar" I might want to use different top ten words, I mean alter the 6 -10 words for example for different details of the subject.

I've always treated the top 5 or was it 7 or is it 9 as the top nine.  :) Now I'll make that a Top Ten List!  8)

As a best practice, list the most important keyword first, the second most keyword second, etc. Once you get to keyword 11, the weight in search is pretty light as I understand it so it's less important you post the remaining keywords in order.

Another important note...I received confirmation that updating the keyword order on files that have been online for a while will not have much, if any impact on the search results.

-Mat

« Reply #32 on: December 02, 2019, 20:58 »
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As a best practice, list the most important keyword first, the second most keyword second, etc. Once you get to keyword 11, the weight in search is pretty light as I understand it so it's less important you post the remaining keywords in order.

Another important note...I received confirmation that updating the keyword order on files that have been online for a while will not have much, if any impact on the search results.

-Mat

Thanks for that, Mat, especially the info in the 2nd paragraph.

I've been wondering if doing that might make a difference, but it would be a lot of work. I'm happy to know I don't need to bother with it.  :)

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #33 on: December 03, 2019, 12:37 »
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It means they use keyword order as one of the factors in ranking search results.

I.e. if the keyword the buyer searches for is within the first ten keywords of an image, this image will be displayed before those images that don't have that keyword in their first ten (all other factors being equal...)

Wanted to make sure I understood that correctly. OK first ten are weighted more heavily. If I have some that are "similar" I might want to use different top ten words, I mean alter the 6 -10 words for example for different details of the subject.

I've always treated the top 5 or was it 7 or is it 9 as the top nine.  :) Now I'll make that a Top Ten List!  8)

As a best practice, list the most important keyword first, the second most keyword second, etc. Once you get to keyword 11, the weight in search is pretty light as I understand it so it's less important you post the remaining keywords in order.

Another important note...I received confirmation that updating the keyword order on files that have been online for a while will not have much, if any impact on the search results.

-Mat

Double interesting, I just updated some, and I could have saved the time for something new?  ;D But if that's the way it works, you saved me some time doing something that doesn't matter.

I still like the highlight on the first 5, then reported as 7 or 9 and now it's 10. But if each word is valued in descending order, I will always put the most important word first, not third as I have. My logic (or lack of) was put auxiliary words 1 and 2 and the simplest main word as third, to make placement better if someone is looking for some specific version of #3. Maybe not...

Mat if you can help, how does the system find "more from this series"? I have some images that are various similar compositions with key elements different, and when I click more from this series, only two show. I don't think more from this model applies to mine, as I have no models. Keywords are very much alike.

The question is, why would only two of four, show as more? Title, keywords? That would be helpful, as I might have had the keywords in a different order on the images, in an effort to get views, which would then lead people to the four variations.

« Reply #34 on: December 03, 2019, 18:02 »
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Mat if you can help, how does the system find "more from this series"? I have some images that are various similar compositions with key elements different, and when I click more from this series, only two show. I don't think more from this model applies to mine, as I have no models. Keywords are very much alike.

I've scratched my head more than once over stuff like this, too, Pete. Always a bit perplexed when (on one site or another) I see "more from this series" or "similar images" or some such on the page with one of my images and there is no observable similarity whatsoever. A photo of a bumble bee in a flower may result in a "similar" photo of a mountain, or some such.

Obviously, something has triggered the "similar" or "series" response in some AI robot's pointy little head that my very human head can't discern.

'Tis a puzzlement.
« Last Edit: December 03, 2019, 18:04 by marthamarks »

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #35 on: December 04, 2019, 10:49 »
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Actually another complaint, comment, suggestion... to make life better for all of us. Why does Adobe and only Adobe read Title instead of Description? Every upload, I have to go back and copy the Description, into the box. Oh I suppose I could add the full description to every image in title, instead of using Title for Title and Description for Descriptions?  ::)

Is there a better answer anyone?

I vaguely remembered an answer from years ago. Just tested and it works. Leave the title field blank and Adobe reads the complete description. I don't know if any site uses Title so I'm going to stop filling in that data.

Mat if you can help, how does the system find "more from this series"? I have some images that are various similar compositions with key elements different, and when I click more from this series, only two show. I don't think more from this model applies to mine, as I have no models. Keywords are very much alike.

I've scratched my head more than once over stuff like this, too, Pete. Always a bit perplexed when (on one site or another) I see "more from this series" or "similar images" or some such on the page with one of my images and there is no observable similarity whatsoever. A photo of a bumble bee in a flower may result in a "similar" photo of a mountain, or some such.

Obviously, something has triggered the "similar" or "series" response in some AI robot's pointy little head that my very human head can't discern.

'Tis a puzzlement.

I didn't think of AI. I imagined that some keywords or title information was used. But AI would explain why of four images, two are similar, and two aren't? For a little less mystery, one has a Treble Clef and one has a Bass Clef, they are different, distinctive meanings, but otherwise alike. But not according to the "more like this". The third which is similar to the treble clef, is a staff with no designation.

I'm happy for the information and I'm adjusting the way I view my keyword order on Adobe, and making sure the Title/Description adds to the search if possible.

Anything with the same release seems to show in more. Not sure if the AI is looking at the images and ignoring the words?

« Last Edit: December 06, 2019, 15:24 by Uncle Pete »


 

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