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« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2020, 17:01 »
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Excellent stuff...has AS been tweaking logo typefaces?... I'm sure the logo looks different on the Contributor page!

« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2020, 17:04 »
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Excellent stuff...has AS been tweaking logo typefaces?... I'm sure the logo looks different on the Contributor page!

The Adobe Stock logo has been updated! Thanks for noticing.

-Mat

« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2020, 19:58 »
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Thumbnail selection, please.

Plus search by keyword in the dashboard.

I think both those trump hiding releases.

« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2020, 05:59 »
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Please add a sharing link on image page !

« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2020, 06:36 »
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Great feature!
 Can you please make cutting longer lists of keywords to 49, not 50. Because you explained in that video that only if there are 49 keywords the first ten will be more relevant. And if there are 50 keywords all fifty will have the same importance. This way I have to remove the 50th keyword manually by scrolling down the list. Because Adobe already automatically trims to 50 longer lists, can you just trim to 49 and save us extra work. Thank you!

« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2020, 07:00 »
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Great feature!
 Can you please make cutting longer lists of keywords to 49, not 50. Because you explained in that video that only if there are 49 keywords the first ten will be more relevant. And if there are 50 keywords all fifty will have the same importance. This way I have to remove the 50th keyword manually by scrolling down the list. Because Adobe already automatically trims to 50 longer lists, can you just trim to 49 and save us extra work. Thank you!

What? Where is this thing about 49 and 50 keywords relevant thing? I never heard of this before.

« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2020, 07:12 »
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Great feature!
 Can you please make cutting longer lists of keywords to 49, not 50. Because you explained in that video that only if there are 49 keywords the first ten will be more relevant. And if there are 50 keywords all fifty will have the same importance. This way I have to remove the 50th keyword manually by scrolling down the list. Because Adobe already automatically trims to 50 longer lists, can you just trim to 49 and save us extra work. Thank you!

What? Where is this thing about 49 and 50 keywords relevant thing? I never heard of this before.
They have video calls during corona. I will find the link and share here


« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2020, 07:14 »
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You can watch all webinars
https://www.crowdcast.io/mhayward2909

« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2020, 08:27 »
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Wow, thanks for the link. So, in future, we should just trim 1 keyword from the 50 keywords?

I have always been arranging the top 7-10 keywords but with a total of 50 keywords. So that means all my hard works have gone down to the drain?

And what if I go back and trim 1 keyword from all my previous images, will that help?

Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2020, 09:37 »
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Wow, thanks for the link. So, in future, we should just trim 1 keyword from the 50 keywords?

I have always been arranging the top 7-10 keywords but with a total of 50 keywords. So that means all my hard works have gone down to the drain?

And what if I go back and trim 1 keyword from all my previous images, will that help?

Yes only 49. Yes, if you have 50 all words are weighted the same. Yes trimming will make the first ten "more important".

You didn't ask, but image rank is set after 30 days. Changing words can help, if they are better words. That's useful on any site. Better more specific, accurate words.

Let me add, also from the webinar: "If you were looking for this image, would you use this word to find it?" Only use relevant keywords. "If you searched a word, would you expect to see this image?" "Is this something I'd expect to see for this search term."

Also in the webinar, paraphrased: Worst you can do, worst mistake, is have irrelevant keywords, which display your image. Which I understand to be saying, too many words, will hurt, if they aren't specific and accurate, main elements of an image.

I still can't understand why anyone would think that there are 50 KEY words for most images? That isn't key, that's related, that's too many, that's try8ing to imagine that some relative or obscure word is going to make the sale or make an image be found. Take a look at words used to find an image, on the sites that show them. Hardly any of the related words and almost always, the actual obvious, key and most apparent words.

My point would be, maybe you could just stay under 50 all the time and save a bunch of work for one site?  8) They rarely, if ever, do anything to help anywhere else.

You have my sympathy, going back and removing a single word on how ever many images. I had to edit every Alamy image when they changed the format, what boxes were displayed, which were hidden. Then again when they dropped Description from the search. Then again when they changed the boxes to all one. I'd guess just removing one word is a little easier?  :)


« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2020, 09:48 »
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Wow, thanks for the link. So, in future, we should just trim 1 keyword from the 50 keywords?

I have always been arranging the top 7-10 keywords but with a total of 50 keywords. So that means all my hard works have gone down to the drain?

And what if I go back and trim 1 keyword from all my previous images, will that help?


You didn't ask, but image rank is set after 30 days. Changing words can help, if they are better words. That's useful on any site. Better more specific, accurate words.


How about changing the order of keywords after 30 days? Did they say anything about it?

« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2020, 10:23 »
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Wow, thanks for the link. So, in future, we should just trim 1 keyword from the 50 keywords?

I have always been arranging the top 7-10 keywords but with a total of 50 keywords. So that means all my hard works have gone down to the drain?

And what if I go back and trim 1 keyword from all my previous images, will that help?


You didn't ask, but image rank is set after 30 days. Changing words can help, if they are better words. That's useful on any site. Better more specific, accurate words.


How about changing the order of keywords after 30 days? Did they say anything about it?

It's fascinating how the conversation has shifted. I always appreciate the feedback and suggestions. Of course improving video thumbnails and searching in the dashboard with keywords are a couple of top requests and the team is aware we want this. I can assure you I'm constantly pushing for upgrades to the portal. These things do take time of course but we're making progress. This release upgrade I'm particularly happy about as it's already proving to save me a ton of time when submitting large batches of files.

The keyword questions are great and I want to thank "Uncle Pete" for the detailed and accurate recap of some of the information I've shared in the webinars over the past couple of months. I do recommend you subscribe to my Crowdcast channel to stay up to date on new events. https://www.crowdcast.io/mhayward2909

The next webinar isn't scheduled officially but will likely happen on July 23 at noon PST. You can also subscribe to our Discord channel for updates as well as access to Adobe Stock staff in addition to myself. Here is an invitation to the channel if you are interested: https://discord.gg/kUQrZa6

As far as re-ordering keywords after 30 days or removing the 50th keyword. Personally, I wouldn't invest the time. As it was mentioned, the content is essentially locked in place in the search after 30 days so changes you make after are incidental and will have very little, if no effect on search placement. You are better off allocating your resources to creating and submitting new content.

Our advice to use accurate keywords is not a new revelation. That's always been required. Some feel by keyword spamming they may trick a customer into accidentally finding their image of a subject completely unrelated to the search query and loving it so much they can't help but buy a license. That's just not realistic. If you have a picture of a man eating a sandwich and you add the keyword "lightbulb." Someone searching for a lightbulb image may see this photo in their search results. They won't click it, they certainly won't buy it so the system will assume this is not a good photo and pushes it deeper into the search results for all keywords. Now, someone looking for a picture of a man eating a sandwich has less a chance to find your photo. No bueno.

-Mat Hayward

Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2020, 10:45 »
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Just a small note: anything Mat says, supersedes anything I have gleaned from or imagined I heard, on the webinars.  :)

"As far as re-ordering keywords after 30 days or removing the 50th keyword. Personally, I wouldn't invest the time. As it was mentioned, the content is essentially locked in place in the search after 30 days so changes you make after are incidental and will have very little, if no effect on search placement."

I think that answered any questions, at least for myself, about how much effort to invest into reordering, adding or changing keywords or titles.

My only personal exception will be, if I find a glaring omission of an important and appropriate specific keyword. Maybe a name or location, that I missed. It may not change the rank, but that will make for a potential match.

« Reply #15 on: June 26, 2020, 06:52 »
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I always appreciate the feedback and suggestions.

MatHayward, please-please-please, remake current system of choosing 5 most important keywords!
Scrolling through the list to find keyword, then jump to top, then scroll again, jump, scroll - it's is absolute nightmare for user. At least make so whole keyword list don't jump to top, when sending one keyword to top!
BTW Alamy have great system where you see all keywords at once and just click on word and it's highlighted and added to important keyword. Please save contributors from infinite scrolling!
Here i made a video some time ago describing the issue: newbielink:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSbT77O8-YU [nonactive]
I've wrote an email to support but they don't care, or i can't reach people who really understand and care about Adobe Stock UI.
People who upload loads of images to Adobe can understand my frustration, please show some support.

« Reply #16 on: July 01, 2020, 04:36 »
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Im guessing this thread wasnt meant to be a UI suggestion one but here goes anyway....

Please look at maybe introducing a keyword type search in catalogue manager.  This would allow us to easily add images to collections related to it which currently has to be done manually, page by page, manually looking at and selecting relevant images and videos and clicking add.  Currently the ONLY search  can find is by image ID.
It makes collection creating too time consuming.

Also please add a way to batch edit keywords.  Handy for when idiots like me notice glaring typos that got through QA completely changing the words you intended to be present!  (or in my case, copy/pasted the wrong ones to a whole batch recently...)

« Reply #17 on: July 01, 2020, 06:11 »
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I always appreciate the feedback and suggestions.

MatHayward, please-please-please, remake current system of choosing 5 most important keywords!
Scrolling through the list to find keyword, then jump to top, then scroll again, jump, scroll - it's is absolute nightmare for user. At least make so whole keyword list don't jump to top, when sending one keyword to top!
BTW Alamy have great system where you see all keywords at once and just click on word and it's highlighted and added to important keyword. Please save contributors from infinite scrolling!
Here i made a video some time ago describing the issue: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSbT77O8-YU
I've wrote an email to support but they don't care, or i can't reach people who really understand and care about Adobe Stock UI.
People who upload loads of images to Adobe can understand my frustration, please show some support.

I've always had this kind of behavior with Chrome on Mac.
With Safari, it works normally.

It's obviously bad code.
Good code should work the same way with all browsers on all platforms, it's not always easy but it's their job (the developers) after all....

I agree with the Alamy system. If you have to choose super-keywords, their way is pretty good (it would be better if the whole surface of the keyword is clickable)

« Reply #18 on: July 01, 2020, 06:16 »
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BTW Alamy have great system where you see all keywords at once and just click on word and it's highlighted and added to important keyword. Please save contributors from infinite scrolling!

At least with Adobe, if you put them in order prior to upload in the metadata they upload in that order and you dont need to spend extra time clicking them in the submission window.
With alamy i have to add an extra step to click the supertags after upload regardless.  If you're submitting a lot of images at once, this takes quite a bit of time.

« Reply #19 on: July 01, 2020, 11:04 »
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How about we can search for our own work to update keywords and edit, without search, copy, paste from the website with image number. Please make editing easier instead of pain.

« Reply #20 on: July 01, 2020, 11:07 »
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Thanks for the workflow improvement.  It's little improvements and tweaks like this that are great to see.

« Reply #21 on: July 19, 2020, 11:00 »
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Unfortunately, this update has removed the ability to copy keywords from one image to another.  Before, if I made just one change to an image's keywords and then clicked the next image, I could just hit save and I'm done.
No cutting and pasting like this any more.  Shame.

« Reply #22 on: July 19, 2020, 11:12 »
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Unfortunately, this update has removed the ability to copy keywords from one image to another.  Before, if I made just one change to an image's keywords and then clicked the next image, I could just hit save and I'm done.
No cutting and pasting like this any more.  Shame.

No change made to the keywording UI. You need to click the "paste keywords" link found in the upper right corner to copy all keywords.

Here is a video I made recently about how to add keywords. The paste keywords box is demonstrated at the 5:30 mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO5KVbV3Ubg

-Mat Hayward

« Reply #23 on: July 19, 2020, 11:50 »
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That is a useful video Mat.  But that's not useful for me.  I don't pick my 10 top keywords until the image is approved.  Why waste time if the image is rejected, right?
So I'm talking about editing the keywords after approval.  And for that, the UI is awful.  You can't see all the keywords so shuffling them around is a real pain.  If I have a similar image series, there is no way (now) to copy and paste.
Making the editing box full screen so we can see all keywords would go a long way to making this less painful.

« Reply #24 on: July 19, 2020, 13:14 »
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Great to hear it is a little easier for us contributors to work. The worst thing is a bad UI implementation where thousands loose time, so good news.

And about keywording.....I wonder as I guess Adobe must be investing a lot of resources into AI and machine learning, so it is weird that they still rely on manual processes like keyword ranking. With the million of clicks that content receives it should be customer keyword - content selection what drives keyword ranking and not the contributor choice. One day all this contributor keyword priority will rip, I hope sooner than later.




« Reply #25 on: July 19, 2020, 14:20 »
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BTW, I came across this copy/paste "feature" in the editing pane when I accidentally overwrote keywords of another image while not paying attention.  I'm sure this feature was in fact a bug, but I've found it to speed my annotation considerably.  This was one bug that could have been left alone.

« Reply #26 on: July 19, 2020, 19:11 »
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Maybe i havent noticed, but the biggest tweak we need is the ability to search our portfolios and extract to collections that we can display elsewhere to direct people to our portfolio

« Reply #27 on: July 20, 2020, 09:56 »
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That is a useful video Mat.  But that's not useful for me.  I don't pick my 10 top keywords until the image is approved.  Why waste time if the image is rejected, right?
So I'm talking about editing the keywords after approval.  And for that, the UI is awful.  You can't see all the keywords so shuffling them around is a real pain.  If I have a similar image series, there is no way (now) to copy and paste.
Making the editing box full screen so we can see all keywords would go a long way to making this less painful.

Changing your keywords after the image has been approved is a pretty bad workflow. Our system is not set up for that and I don't anticipate it will be moving forward. It's never allowed for this by the way so the change to the releases UI did not have any impact.

Bulk keyword changes on previously approved content can open the door for keyword spammers which is bad for everyone. I strongly recommend that you submit your content with the assumption it will be approved and have the keywords in the proper order. You are only making things harder on yourself other wise.

Kind regards,

Mat Hayward

« Reply #28 on: July 20, 2020, 11:01 »
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I agree Mat, it is a bad workflow.  Going forward, I am ensuring that key keywords appear in the top ten. 
But I'm still uploading years worth of work from the past.  Since I'm mostly an editorial shooter, about 30% of my stuff is rejected.  I have thousands more images to work through. I find re-ordering the top 10 keywords the most excruciating work compared to any other site's annotation method.  Just saying.

« Reply #29 on: July 20, 2020, 13:17 »
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I agree Mat, it is a bad workflow.  Going forward, I am ensuring that key keywords appear in the top ten. 
But I'm still uploading years worth of work from the past.  Since I'm mostly an editorial shooter, about 30% of my stuff is rejected.  I have thousands more images to work through. I find re-ordering the top 10 keywords the most excruciating work compared to any other site's annotation method.  Just saying.

I hear you. I would advise you spend extra time ensuring you are eliminating the editorial use only content from your collections before uploading. That will save you (and us) a lot of time and effort through the process. I do appreciate your feedback and your patience.

-Mat

« Reply #30 on: July 20, 2020, 14:23 »
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I agree Mat, it is a bad workflow.  Going forward, I am ensuring that key keywords appear in the top ten. 
But I'm still uploading years worth of work from the past.  Since I'm mostly an editorial shooter, about 30% of my stuff is rejected.  I have thousands more images to work through. I find re-ordering the top 10 keywords the most excruciating work compared to any other site's annotation method.  Just saying.

I hear you. I would advise you spend extra time ensuring you are eliminating the editorial use only content from your collections before uploading. That will save you (and us) a lot of time and effort through the process. I do appreciate your feedback and your patience.

-Mat

i've noticed that sometimes 'editorial' images are accepted where the people aren't the primary focus - eg, crowds, markets, tourist sites - is there a policy for this or justup to the individual reviewer?

« Reply #31 on: July 26, 2020, 11:43 »
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I hear you.

Please, hear also voices about choosing top 10 keywords! Adobe still uses old Fotolia system for that, and that system is horrible!
How hard can it be to show all keywords at once and let us choose "the important ten" by just clicking on them?

« Reply #32 on: July 30, 2020, 12:30 »
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Choosing the 10 most important keywords is a tedious process. It takes many days when there are many images.

« Reply #33 on: July 30, 2020, 16:06 »
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I second this. Creating something similar to Alamy where you can click on the keyword to mark it as the most important one would be really great.

« Reply #34 on: July 30, 2020, 19:32 »
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or eliminate keyword ordering entirely!  the 'top 10' keywords will vary by buyer


« Reply #35 on: July 30, 2020, 23:37 »
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Keyword order relevance is an archaic system that Adobe keeps dragging from the past. I hope it will go away someday as keyword relevancy should be commanded by buyers , never the contributor or the agency.

« Reply #36 on: October 16, 2020, 10:47 »
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The UI for ordering keywords post acceptance just got worse.  Now the MOVE function no longer works.  I can only jump a keyword to the top of the list.  Argh!
Is AS trying to make annotation more difficult?  Help.

« Reply #37 on: October 16, 2020, 11:38 »
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The UI for ordering keywords post acceptance just got worse.  Now the MOVE function no longer works.  I can only jump a keyword to the top of the list.  Argh!
Is AS trying to make annotation more difficult?  Help.

It works with some browsers and not with some others.
This demonstrates how the site is badly developed
(A well developed site should work well on all platforms and with any browser)

« Reply #38 on: October 16, 2020, 13:07 »
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The UI for ordering keywords post acceptance just got worse.  Now the MOVE function no longer works.  I can only jump a keyword to the top of the list.  Argh!
Is AS trying to make annotation more difficult?  Help.

It works with some browsers and not with some others.
This demonstrates how the site is badly developed
(A well developed site should work well on all platforms and with any browser)

I don't think that's it.  Both Firefox and Chrome no longer allow moving keywords.  AS broke something, but as Matt says: they're not too interested in making it easier to make edits after acceptance.
« Last Edit: October 16, 2020, 16:02 by Reimar »


 

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