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Title: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MatHayward on June 07, 2021, 12:10
As many of you know, last year Adobe Stock launched a free collection to drive traffic to the marketplace. The initial collection was limited to participation from a very small number of Adobe Stock Contributors. We were pleased with the results: traffic did increase and many visitors who initially came for free content converted to paying customers, resulting in added revenue for the larger Contributor community.   

It’s now time to refresh and expand the program. For a limited time starting on June 7, many of you will see a banner in the dashboard section of the Adobe Stock Contributor portal. The banner gives you the opportunity to nominate qualified photos from your portfolio. You can nominate all eligible files (photos only at this time), or you can go through the Dashboard and nominate individual files. Please note that your best-selling images are exempt from this program. We will not be accepting any images that received more than 4 downloads in the past 12 months.   

You have until June 23 to nominate any or all your eligible files. After that, the banner will go away, and our moderation team will quickly review the submissions.   

A big difference between the Adobe Stock free collection and other sites offering content for free is that we are paying Contributors up front for participation. For every file approved for the free collection, we are paying a one-time rate of $5 (If paid in USD currently. Otherwise, 5 credits in your currency) . This payment is for 12 months of non-exclusive use in the free collection. After the 12 months are up, the files will automatically be returned into your paid collection. 
Please see the FAQ for more details, and let me know if you have any additional questions not covered there.

https://helpx.adobe.com/stock/contributor/help/free-collection-contributor-information.html

Thank you,

Mat Hayward
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: panicAttack on June 07, 2021, 12:22
Hi Mat

I have 2666 eligible assets but why I can't see what are those

If I can't see those eligible assets I don't want to nominate anything.

Those can be files that earn me much more then 5$ weekly, not yearly so...

Let us see and choose them first, before nomination.

Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MatHayward on June 07, 2021, 12:27
Hi Mat

I have 2666 eligible assets but why I can't see what are those

If I can't see those eligible assets I don't want to nominate anything.

Those can be files that earn me much more then 5$ weekly, not yearly so...

Let us see and choose them first, before nomination.

Thanks for the comments @PanicAttack. You can see the files available for nomination right now. It will get even easier to see them in a few hours <knock on wood>.

To see them now, scroll through your pages in the Dashboard section. You'll see a small button in the lower right corner of the preview file that says "nominate." This is your toggle switch if you want to nominate (or un-nominate) individual files one by one.

Later today, there will be a filter in place in the dashboard where you can view only your eligible files which will simplify this process.

You brought up a very important point, we do not want, nor will we accept your best selling assets. No images with more than 4 downloads in the past 12 months are eligible.

Keep the questions coming,

Mat Hayward
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: hellou on June 07, 2021, 12:46
I must say, I am thrilled.
1. You get to decide for yourself
2. if you decide to do it, it's "only" 12 months.

At first I feared that these have to be given away infinitely / forever then.

Therefore, many thanks for the consideration.
I'm becoming a real Adobestock fan and this is the reason i will support AdobeStock here.
Thank you.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Stockmaan on June 07, 2021, 13:09
Thank you Mat for the informations.

And agree with user hellou.

Stay safe good people!
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: whosvegas on June 07, 2021, 13:27
Hi Mat

I have 2666 eligible assets but why I can't see what are those

If I can't see those eligible assets I don't want to nominate anything.

Those can be files that earn me much more then 5$ weekly, not yearly so...

Let us see and choose them first, before nomination.

Thanks for the comments @PanicAttack. You can see the files available for nomination right now. It will get even easier to see them in a few hours <knock on wood>.

To see them now, scroll through your pages in the Dashboard section. You'll see a small button in the lower right corner of the preview file that says "nominate." This is your toggle switch if you want to nominate (or un-nominate) individual files one by one.

Later today, there will be a filter in place in the dashboard where you can view only your eligible files which will simplify this process.

You brought up a very important point, we do not want, nor will we accept your best selling assets. No images with more than 4 downloads in the past 12 months are eligible.

Keep the questions coming,

Mat Hayward
Thank you, for the extra information!
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Firn on June 07, 2021, 14:12
A lot of the images Adobe picked from my port are regular sellers on other sites that earn me more in 12 months than the 5$ Adobe is offering. No one is going to pay for an image on one site that he can get for free on other sites. Another problem I see is similar-topic images. If I select one image of a certain topic that isn't doing too well for me, but have another in my port that sells regularly, people might go for the free alternative and I will miss out on sales.

I'll take a closer look once the filter for nominated images is up, because right now it's really a hassle to go through pages and pages of images to find the nominated ones. Not sue what to do with this yet. Once I filter out all my regular sellers from other sites and also images of a similar topic as my regular sellers, there probably won't be many images left.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MatHayward on June 07, 2021, 14:18
A lot of the images Adobe picked from my port are regular sellers on other sites that earn me more in 12 months than the 5$ Adobe is offering. No one is going to pay for an image on one site that he can get for free on other sites. Another problem I see is similar-topic images. If I select one image of a certain topic that isn't doing too well for me, but have another in my port that sells regularly, people might go for the free alternative and I will miss out on sales.

I'll take a closer look once the filter for nominated images is up, because right now it's really a hassle to go through pages and pages of images to find the nominated ones. Not sue what to do with this yet. Once I filter out all my regular sellers from other sites and also images of a similar topic as my regular sellers, there probably won't be many images left.

Thanks for your feedback. This will be a decision you must make for yourself to determine what makes the most sense for you from a business perspective. This is why you must pro-actively nominate your assets instead of being opted in automatically and why the nomination process is non-exclusive. I'll be sure to post an update when the filter is active so you can do some further investigation into what if any images you want to nominate.

Thanks again,

Mat
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: wordplanet on June 07, 2021, 14:26
I took a quick look and it appears that photographs downloaded between 1 and 3 times are eligible - is that correct? (I have one that was downloaded 4x but has the nominate button too - guess it may've been downloaded recently).

How does nominating our images for this collection effect the required 150 downloads needed for the year to qualify for the free Adobe CC subscription?

I've had quite a few $3-4 downloads lately and one for $23 last month, so I'm on the fence, but it's nice that you've opened this up as it's an interesting option. May was a really good month for me Adobe, my best ever in fact, despite having not uploaded in months due to an unfortunate reaction to the Covid vaccine which has left me with terrible vertigo. Hoping with PT it will go away but it will probably take several months. So this is a more attractive offer than it would normally be.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: uvox4 on June 07, 2021, 14:32
Mat,

How does this affect the working out for the free Adobe subscription offer based on downloads?

Cheers
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: wds on June 07, 2021, 14:33
I took a quick look and it appears that photographs downloaded between 1 and 3 times are eligible - is that correct? (I have one that was downloaded 4x but has the nominate button too - guess it may've been downloaded recently).

...

I have seen files in my port with 20 downloads that are eligible. My guess is it is probably a "download rate" thing. You asked several great questions btw!
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MatHayward on June 07, 2021, 14:34
I took a quick look and it appears that photographs downloaded between 1 and 3 times are eligible - is that correct? (I have one that was downloaded 4x but has the nominate button too - guess it may've been downloaded recently).

How does nominating our images for this collection effect the required 150 downloads needed for the year to qualify for the free Adobe CC subscription?

I've had quite a few $3-4 downloads lately and one for $23 last month, so I'm on the fence, but it's nice that you've opened this up as it's an interesting option. May was a really good month for me Adobe, my best ever in fact, despite having not uploaded in months due to an unfortunate reaction to the Covid vaccine which has left me with terrible vertigo. Hoping with PT it will go away but it will probably take several months. So this is a more attractive offer than it would normally be.

Images may be eligible if they have had 4 or less downloads in the past 12 months. Your post is an emotional rollercoaster. Very pleased to see you had such a great May at Adobe Stock and I'm sorry to hear about your adverse reaction.

I hope you recover quickly!

Mat Hayward 
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MatHayward on June 07, 2021, 14:36
Mat,

How does this affect the working out for the free Adobe subscription offer based on downloads?

Cheers

This doesn't have an impact on the Creative Cloud bonus program. Downloads in Free will not count toward your sales statistics.

-Mat Hayward
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MatHayward on June 07, 2021, 14:37
I took a quick look and it appears that photographs downloaded between 1 and 3 times are eligible - is that correct? (I have one that was downloaded 4x but has the nominate button too - guess it may've been downloaded recently).

...

I have seen files in my port with 20 downloads that are eligible. My guess is it is probably a "download rate" thing. You asked several great questions btw!

The eligibility is for files with no more than four downloads in the last 12 months. If you have 20 downloads that occurred more than a year ago, the photo may be eligible.

-Mat
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: felipequeiroz on June 07, 2021, 14:44
As many of you know, last year Adobe Stock launched a free collection to drive traffic to the marketplace. The initial collection was limited to participation from a very small number of Adobe Stock Contributors. We were pleased with the results: traffic did increase and many visitors who initially came for free content converted to paying customers, resulting in added revenue for the larger Contributor community.   

It’s now time to refresh and expand the program. For a limited time starting on June 7, many of you will see a banner in the dashboard section of the Adobe Stock Contributor portal. The banner gives you the opportunity to nominate qualified photos from your portfolio. You can nominate all eligible files (photos only at this time), or you can go through the Dashboard and nominate individual files. Please note that your best-selling images are exempt from this program. We will not be accepting any images that received more than 4 downloads in the past 12 months.   

You have until June 23 to nominate any or all your eligible files. After that, the banner will go away, and our moderation team will quickly review the submissions.   

A big difference between the Adobe Stock free collection and other sites offering content for free is that we are paying Contributors up front for participation. For every file approved for the free collection, we are paying a one-time rate of $5 (If paid in USD currently. Otherwise, 5 credits in your currency) . This payment is for 12 months of non-exclusive use in the free collection. After the 12 months are up, the files will automatically be returned into your paid collection. 
Please see the FAQ for more details, and let me know if you have any additional questions not covered there.

https://helpx.adobe.com/stock/contributor/help/free-collection-contributor-information.html

Thank you,

Mat Hayward
Hello Matt, how are you?, I'm trying to agree with the addendum but it's not working. only works from tomorrow?

Thanks
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: khew on June 07, 2021, 14:47
Mat - Does the number of times a image in the free collection is downloaded affect the position of the image in a search after the 12 months is over?  In other words would exposure of an image in the free program potentially improve its position in the search order long term?


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Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Fyletto on June 07, 2021, 14:51
Hi Mat, once approved, will my newly free images be sold under my name (that means will the customer see my contributor name?) and might these free ones help promote my paid portfolio somehow?
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Brasilnut on June 07, 2021, 15:03
No one is going to pay for an image on one site that he can get for free on other sites

This seems true until you factor in laziness / apathy or pure ignorance that an image is available for free on the part of many buyers.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: uvox4 on June 07, 2021, 15:04
Mat,

I see in the terms it says the photos are sold under a commercial licence. What does this mean? How does it compare to standard, enhanced, extended licences?

Cheers
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: wordplanet on June 07, 2021, 15:07
I took a quick look and it appears that photographs downloaded between 1 and 3 times are eligible - is that correct? (I have one that was downloaded 4x but has the nominate button too - guess it may've been downloaded recently).

...

I have seen files in my port with 20 downloads that are eligible. My guess is it is probably a "download rate" thing. You asked several great questions btw!

Thanks.

I saw one with 14 when I looked again ... and another with 77 ...

...so thanks for the explanation Mat.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MatHayward on June 07, 2021, 15:08
As many of you know, last year Adobe Stock launched a free collection to drive traffic to the marketplace. The initial collection was limited to participation from a very small number of Adobe Stock Contributors. We were pleased with the results: traffic did increase and many visitors who initially came for free content converted to paying customers, resulting in added revenue for the larger Contributor community.   

It’s now time to refresh and expand the program. For a limited time starting on June 7, many of you will see a banner in the dashboard section of the Adobe Stock Contributor portal. The banner gives you the opportunity to nominate qualified photos from your portfolio. You can nominate all eligible files (photos only at this time), or you can go through the Dashboard and nominate individual files. Please note that your best-selling images are exempt from this program. We will not be accepting any images that received more than 4 downloads in the past 12 months.   

You have until June 23 to nominate any or all your eligible files. After that, the banner will go away, and our moderation team will quickly review the submissions.   

A big difference between the Adobe Stock free collection and other sites offering content for free is that we are paying Contributors up front for participation. For every file approved for the free collection, we are paying a one-time rate of $5 (If paid in USD currently. Otherwise, 5 credits in your currency) . This payment is for 12 months of non-exclusive use in the free collection. After the 12 months are up, the files will automatically be returned into your paid collection. 
Please see the FAQ for more details, and let me know if you have any additional questions not covered there.

https://helpx.adobe.com/stock/contributor/help/free-collection-contributor-information.html

Thank you,

Mat Hayward
Hello Matt, how are you?, I'm trying to agree with the addendum but it's not working. only works from tomorrow?

Thanks

Try a different browser. I've seen a few reports of this and the browser switch seems to do the trick in most cases. Sorry about the hassle.

-Mat
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: uvox4 on June 07, 2021, 15:09
No one is going to pay for an image on one site that he can get for free on other sites

This seems true until you factor in laziness / apathy or pure ignorance that an image is available for free on the part of many buyers.

I am assuming that the customer is paying for this service, an annual or monthly fee for x amount of photos. So the photos are not really free.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: panicAttack on June 07, 2021, 15:10
Yes i can see individual files now. Thanks Mat for answer.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MatHayward on June 07, 2021, 15:11
Mat - Does the number of times a image in the free collection is downloaded affect the position of the image in a search after the 12 months is over?  In other words would exposure of an image in the free program potentially improve its position in the search order long term?


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I don't know the answer to this question @khew. If I find out definitive informationk, I will share it here.

Thanks,

Mat
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MatHayward on June 07, 2021, 15:11
Hi Mat, once approved, will my newly free images be sold under my name (that means will the customer see my contributor name?) and might these free ones help promote my paid portfolio somehow?

Yes, your name is a clickable link that will take customers to your paid portfolio.

-Mat
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: gameover on June 07, 2021, 15:12
Thank you Mat for the information ! I see that most of my eligible images are old and almost forgotten. It is a real gift.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MatHayward on June 07, 2021, 15:13
Mat,

I see in the terms it says the photos are sold under a commercial licence. What does this mean? How does it compare to standard, enhanced, extended licences?

Cheers

Photos in the free collection are downloaded with the Standard license.

-Mat
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MatHayward on June 07, 2021, 15:15
No one is going to pay for an image on one site that he can get for free on other sites

This seems true until you factor in laziness / apathy or pure ignorance that an image is available for free on the part of many buyers.

I am assuming that the customer is paying for this service, an annual or monthly fee for x amount of photos. So the photos are not really free.

Your assumption is incorrect. All that is required to download free content is an Adobe ID. The intent is to convert the Free users to paid subscriptions where they can download content from the paid portfolios of contributors.

-Mat
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: felipequeiroz on June 07, 2021, 15:20


Try a different browser. I've seen a few reports of this and the browser switch seems to do the trick in most cases. Sorry about the hassle.

-Mat
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I achieved. thank you so much Matt. Muito obrigado.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: uvox4 on June 07, 2021, 15:31
Mat,

1. It says that you are submitting your work for consideration to be included.... Can you confirm that if the contributor submits photos,  all their files will be included in the Free Collection or will Adobe  filter a certain amount from your approved collection.  For example. You will take all 50 from the nominated or hand pick from the 50

2. What is the size of the photo collection in the Adobe Free Collection

Cheers
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MatHayward on June 07, 2021, 15:44
Mat,

1. It says that you are submitting your work for consideration to be included.... Can you confirm that if the contributor submits photos,  all their files will be included in the Free Collection or will Adobe  filter a certain amount from your approved collection.  For example. You will take all 50 from the nominated or hand pick from the 50

2. What is the size of the photo collection in the Adobe Free Collection

Cheers

After the 23rd, the nominated files will be reviewed and considered. Not all nominated files will be accepted. The first batch of accepted assets will be moved to the free collection shortly after the nomination period closes on June 23, 2001, at 9am PDT. We may accept additional files from your nominated photos and move them in batches to the free collection until September 30, 2021. You will be notified and receive payments for each accepted batch of photos should that occur. 

-Mat
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MatHayward on June 07, 2021, 15:53
Mat,

1. It says that you are submitting your work for consideration to be included.... Can you confirm that if the contributor submits photos,  all their files will be included in the Free Collection or will Adobe  filter a certain amount from your approved collection.  For example. You will take all 50 from the nominated or hand pick from the 50

2. What is the size of the photo collection in the Adobe Free Collection

Cheers

Sorry, I missed the 2nd part of your question regarding the size of the collection.

We don't have a fixed collection size we are after here. The intent is to have breadth without depth. In other words, we want to continue to capture the basic needs of most buyers and then convert them with more offerings in the paid collection after they've tried our service.

-Mat
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: fotoroad on June 07, 2021, 16:03
Thank You Mat, great You are here, I love Adobe with ,,face,, Thumbs UP in these fast world
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Zero Talent on June 07, 2021, 16:05
As many of you know, last year Adobe Stock launched a free collection to drive traffic to the marketplace. The initial collection was limited to participation from a very small number of Adobe Stock Contributors. We were pleased with the results: traffic did increase and many visitors who initially came for free content converted to paying customers, resulting in added revenue for the larger Contributor community.   

It’s now time to refresh and expand the program. For a limited time starting on June 7, many of you will see a banner in the dashboard section of the Adobe Stock Contributor portal. The banner gives you the opportunity to nominate qualified photos from your portfolio. You can nominate all eligible files (photos only at this time), or you can go through the Dashboard and nominate individual files. Please note that your best-selling images are exempt from this program. We will not be accepting any images that received more than 4 downloads in the past 12 months.   

You have until June 23 to nominate any or all your eligible files. After that, the banner will go away, and our moderation team will quickly review the submissions.   

A big difference between the Adobe Stock free collection and other sites offering content for free is that we are paying Contributors up front for participation. For every file approved for the free collection, we are paying a one-time rate of $5 (If paid in USD currently. Otherwise, 5 credits in your currency) . This payment is for 12 months of non-exclusive use in the free collection. After the 12 months are up, the files will automatically be returned into your paid collection. 
Please see the FAQ for more details, and let me know if you have any additional questions not covered there.

https://helpx.adobe.com/stock/contributor/help/free-collection-contributor-information.html

Thank you,

Mat Hayward
Hello Matt, how are you?, I'm trying to agree with the addendum but it's not working. only works from tomorrow?

Thanks

Try a different browser. I've seen a few reports of this and the browser switch seems to do the trick in most cases. Sorry about the hassle.

-Mat

I switched from Chrome to Edge, but the Agree button is still grayed out. The same happens on my mobile.

One more question, after one year, will all the potential upcoming free downloads be considered by the ranking algorithm, or in other words, will these free downloads help the visibility of these files?
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: stocky on June 07, 2021, 16:23
 :) I'm in, sounds great opportunity! Thanks Mat
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MatHayward on June 07, 2021, 16:38
As many of you know, last year Adobe Stock launched a free collection to drive traffic to the marketplace. The initial collection was limited to participation from a very small number of Adobe Stock Contributors. We were pleased with the results: traffic did increase and many visitors who initially came for free content converted to paying customers, resulting in added revenue for the larger Contributor community.   

It’s now time to refresh and expand the program. For a limited time starting on June 7, many of you will see a banner in the dashboard section of the Adobe Stock Contributor portal. The banner gives you the opportunity to nominate qualified photos from your portfolio. You can nominate all eligible files (photos only at this time), or you can go through the Dashboard and nominate individual files. Please note that your best-selling images are exempt from this program. We will not be accepting any images that received more than 4 downloads in the past 12 months.   

You have until June 23 to nominate any or all your eligible files. After that, the banner will go away, and our moderation team will quickly review the submissions.   

A big difference between the Adobe Stock free collection and other sites offering content for free is that we are paying Contributors up front for participation. For every file approved for the free collection, we are paying a one-time rate of $5 (If paid in USD currently. Otherwise, 5 credits in your currency) . This payment is for 12 months of non-exclusive use in the free collection. After the 12 months are up, the files will automatically be returned into your paid collection. 
Please see the FAQ for more details, and let me know if you have any additional questions not covered there.

https://helpx.adobe.com/stock/contributor/help/free-collection-contributor-information.html

Thank you,

Mat Hayward
Hello Matt, how are you?, I'm trying to agree with the addendum but it's not working. only works from tomorrow?

Thanks

Try a different browser. I've seen a few reports of this and the browser switch seems to do the trick in most cases. Sorry about the hassle.

-Mat

I switched from Chrome to Edge, but the Agree button is still grayed out. The same happens on my mobile.

One more question, after one year, will all the potential upcoming free downloads be considered by the ranking algorithm, or in other words, will these free downloads help the visibility of these files?

I asked the team about the potential impact on your photos after the year expires and they are added back into your paid portfolio. As a disclaimer, I must say that we can’t make any promises here. The mission of search is to offer the most relevant results to the customer. What we can say is that your photos in the free collection will provide our search algorithm with more information about it’s value or relevance to particular search queries. Since there is no payment barrier, it’s likely your accepted photos will see a lot more interaction with customers than they would in the paid collection. If your images prove to be relevant to what the customers need in the free collection, it’s likely they will perform better in your paid portfolio than they did before they were added to the free collection.

You have to take this with a grain of salt though as there are many variables at play.

Mat
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: PhotoBomb on June 07, 2021, 17:22

I switched from Chrome to Edge, but the Agree button is still grayed out. The same happens on my mobile.


I doesn't look like you have to scroll down in the terms box, but you do, to turn the link to Agree active.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on June 07, 2021, 17:22
I haven't decided whether to participated but I did take a look to see what had a "nominate" button next to it.

If a file has zero downloads, even if it was uploaded in the last couple of months, it appears not to be eligible. Many that have one or two downloads do have a nominate option - but some which have just one or two downloads do not have a nominate button.

Are all zero download images excluded, even if they're recent?

For recent images with one or two downloads, why are the ones selected or not selected? Is it subject matter or some other internal stat that we can't see (like views, or presence/absence of keywords)?
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: bestravelvideo on June 07, 2021, 17:34
I could not select photos using Chrome  but then I used Firefox and it worked. Naturally the selected ones now appear as such back in Chrome.

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Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MatHayward on June 07, 2021, 17:47
I haven't decided whether to participated but I did take a look to see what had a "nominate" button next to it.

If a file has zero downloads, even if it was uploaded in the last couple of months, it appears not to be eligible. Many that have one or two downloads do have a nominate option - but some which have just one or two downloads do not have a nominate button.

Are all zero download images excluded, even if they're recent?

For recent images with one or two downloads, why are the ones selected or not selected? Is it subject matter or some other internal stat that we can't see (like views, or presence/absence of keywords)?

The only definite disqualifier I know is if a file has had more than 4 downloads in the past 12 months. It will be easier to tell if any of your images with zero downloads are eligible after the filter is in place (which should be very soon now). I don't have any information available as to the specific criteria for what was and was not selected.

-Mat
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Sean Locke Photography on June 07, 2021, 18:07
How do we see which images are "nominated"?  I'm not seeing any mark or buttons...

eta: never mind, I see it on images with more than 0 downloads.

Is there any way to see only all the "nominated" images in one search?
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MatHayward on June 07, 2021, 18:21
How do we see which images are "nominated"?  I'm not seeing any mark or buttons...

eta: never mind, I see it on images with more than 0 downloads.

Is there any way to see only all the "nominated" images in one search?

Any minute now, a filter will be enabled so you can see them all. FYI, there are images with 0 downloads that are eligible. I'll post an update once the filter is live.

-Mat
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MatHayward on June 07, 2021, 18:25
As promised, the filter is now ebabled in the dashboard section. Click the "eligible for free collection" button found above and to the right of the image previews in the dashboard section to view and nominate eligible photos.

Thank you,

Mat
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: csm on June 07, 2021, 18:38
So if you agree to these images going into the free collection, would you need to pull them from other sites?
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MatHayward on June 07, 2021, 18:40
So if you agree to these images going into the free collection, would you need to pull them from other sites?

No, this is a non-exclusive agreement. You can keep your content online at other sites.

Mat
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on June 07, 2021, 19:02
It's helpful to have the filter. It makes it very clear to me that I'm not going to participate.

Lots of things I would nominate aren't in the list; 9/10 of what is in the nominate list I won't include.

There were four images with 0 downloads (that I noticed) that were in the thousand or so that were eligible. No clue why they were eligible and others not.

Then there were a handful uploaded earlier in 2021 that had one or two downloads that were on the list - I think they'll get more paid downloads but they haven't been up for that long, so I'm not interested in adding those. I think images less than 6 months old really aren't great candidates (from a contributor's point of view).

It only takes about 3 of the "custom" downloads at ~$1.75-$1.90 to make more than the $5 an image will make in the free section, so slow but regular sellers will do better in the paid section, IMO. Everyone's situation will be different, but excluding all the zero download images makes this a non-starter for me.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Tawng on June 07, 2021, 19:35
Any plans to include other content beyond photos?
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: lowbouncerate on June 07, 2021, 21:02
This is offer is not for Vectors/ illustration?
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: alexandersr on June 07, 2021, 22:12
When we know the content will be selected?
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MatHayward on June 07, 2021, 23:05
Any plans to include other content beyond photos?

Currently, we are refreshing the photos in our free collection. We may have an option to nominate additional asset types in the future. I will be sure to post updates in MSG if that comes to be.

-Mat
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MatHayward on June 07, 2021, 23:07
When we know the content will be selected?

The first batch of accepted assets will be moved to the free collection shortly after the nomination period closes on June 23, 2021, at 9am PDT. We may accept additional files from your nominated photos and move them in batches to the free collection until September 30, 2021. You will be notified and receive payments for each accepted batch of photos should that occur. 

-Mat
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Camillo on June 07, 2021, 23:59
Deleted my comment since it has no value here, will keep it to myself.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Hildegarde on June 08, 2021, 00:24
Quote
It only takes about 3 of the "custom" downloads at ~$1.75-$1.90 to make more than the $5 an image will make in the free section, so slow but regular sellers will do better in the paid section, IMO. Everyone's situation will be different, but excluding all the zero download images makes this a non-starter for me.

No kidding.  What sells on Adobe is very different than what sells with other agencies.  Not going to give away images that are selling elsewhere just because they are not big sellers on Adobe. 
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MxR on June 08, 2021, 01:28
"Acepto" button dont works
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: zebra007 on June 08, 2021, 01:44
Adobe is the best.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: OliverSved on June 08, 2021, 01:50
i Have files there that are over 300 downloads and are good sellers on other sites too. dont really know what to do, but if they are picked by adobe(not by me, cuz adobe may pick any of them if they want to). Many over 100-200 over the past years. considering that adobe does give us relatively good money for the downloads, im quite in a pinch here...

Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Pauws99 on June 08, 2021, 02:04
No one is going to pay for an image on one site that he can get for free on other sites

This seems true until you factor in laziness / apathy or pure ignorance that an image is available for free on the part of many buyers.
In addition the opportunity costs of scouring the internet for a free version outweighs the costs of getting the most convenient option and many buyers are constrained by coroprate rules around where they can obtain images. The fact that the same images can be available for zero to 10s or even 100s of dollars illustrates its an oversimplification.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Firn on June 08, 2021, 02:10
i Have files there that are over 300 downloads and are good sellers on other sites too. dont really know what to do, but if they are picked by adobe(not by me, cuz adobe may pick any of them if they want to). Many over 100-200 over the past years. considering that adobe does give us relatively good money for the downloads, im quite in a pinch here...
They don't seem to pick images with that many downloads. For me they only picked images with less than 30 downloads. If they picked any of my images with 100+ sales, I'd not select them as there is no way the $5 you get for the image will be more than what you can earn with the image in a year. I also didn't select any of the images that sell regularly on other sites, even if they don't sell well on Adobe (Which is a majority of the images, because on Adobe only very few of my images manage to sell regulary, in opposite to other stock sites) . The risk of potentially compromising sales for these images on other agencies for just $5 just isn't worth it to me.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Firn on June 08, 2021, 02:21
No one is going to pay for an image on one site that he can get for free on other sites

This seems true until you factor in laziness / apathy or pure ignorance that an image is available for free on the part of many buyers.
In addition the opportunity costs of scouring the internet for a free version outweighs the costs of getting the most convenient option and many buyers are constrained by coroprate rules around where they can obtain images. The fact that the same images can be available for zero to 10s or even 100s of dollars illustrates its an oversimplification.

That may be true, but I have experienced first hand what offering an image "for free" can do to an image: 2 years ago a big mobile company bought a licence for one of my photos from iStock, pasted "Happy Easter" in a corner and offered it as "free download greeting card" (Even though IStock's licence doesn't allow this. Contacted iStock multiple times about it, but they keep ignoring me). The image is by now all over the internet. It doesnt't just pop up everywhere on my facebook or Instagram feed around easter, it goes so far that I have seen it - with the "happy easter" text - used commercially for things like onlineshops way more than once. (And yes, I actually tried to sue through Pixsy, but it's always some "We don't support cases in this country", or "We only go after big fish, there isn't enough money to be gained here" or "It's not worth it as the image is available on microstock for a couple of cents, so there isn't much to gain" stuff, so I gave up and consider this image a lost case.) And this was a really good image with lots of commercial value. Now someone who has for an example a SS account might not browse the internet to see whether he can get an image for free somewhere, but I am pretty sure the fact that the image is so widely used all over the internet might make it less attractive for some customers to buy. Would you pay an Enhanced licence to print an image as a physical postcard, when you have seen it online a thousand times already?
I have never seen any of my images used that often online, not even the ones with hundreds of downloads, so, nope, I am not risking my bestsellers to be floating all around the internet for free. And even if Adobe just offers them for free for a year - you can bet that after that these images will stay available for free on the internet forever: You will find them on free stock site galleries, free wallpaper sites, heck, you'll probably find them on paid stock sites as well.

The only images I am willing to offer for free in exchange for 5$ are images where I don't expect to earn $5 with on any microstock site.

In the end everyone has to decide this for themselves. I am not judging anyone who says he wants safe $5 instead of potentiall earnings that might or might not happen. I have selected a few images myself, just not images that sell regulary anywhere, because for me offering decent sellers for free for $5 is a no go. Adobe selected some of my images where even if they offered me $500 for just one image I would still have said no. They just sell too well on other agencies to take the risk.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: PZF on June 08, 2021, 02:54
'This doesn't have an impact on the Creative Cloud bonus program. Downloads in Free will not count toward your sales statistics. '

I'm confused. Downloads from free WILL or WILL NOT count towards the free PS etc deal?

Hate the idea of yet more free anyway. :(
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: NitorPhoto on June 08, 2021, 03:01
I am not a big fan of the free collections or giving out images to the customers for free. But I see why and how the market goes to this direction. If any agency ever wants to build a free collection this the the way how to do it. Adobe can always surprise me how fair they are with their contributors. And also with their customers! Since a curated good free collection is not a useless one as it is on most of the other sites. Thank you and you have my full support!
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Bauman on June 08, 2021, 03:22
I will not accept. I don't believe in free collections.

I only believe in the quality of the work. I have always made good money doing quality work and have always bought high quality templates for my marketing. And it has always worked.

Perhaps more work should be done on the quality of contributor pages because they are among the worst of all agencies.

Unfortunately, in the last two months, sales on Adobe have been falling (see the poll results)  and the RPD is lower than Shutterstock. Something is wrong with the company's marketing strategies.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: panicAttack on June 08, 2021, 03:34
from 2600+ files eligible for nomination I nominated few just to see if this will affect sales. less then 5 I think.

my much worst problem with adobestock is lack of sales last few weeks after region change (even tho I shoot isolated people not specific to any region)

better get back to good sales of paid files.

but it's also fair if someone think this is good deal... good luck to everyone.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Bauman on June 08, 2021, 03:55

my much worst problem with adobestock is lack of sales last few weeks after region change (even tho I shoot isolated people not specific to any region)


I agree

This is my Adobe Stock RPD in 2021.

Jan 0,90$
Feb 1,05$
Mar 0,94$
Apr 0,85$
May 0,76$
Jun 0,72$ (first 7 days)

And earnings go from >600$/month to 300/400$/month, down 45% ... Why ?

SS RPD

May 0,89$
Jun 0,88$ (first 7 days) ...

Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: hatman12 on June 08, 2021, 04:46
I'm happy to participate with the full allocation of files accepted by Adobe.  My experience of Adobe over the last few years is that they have been one of the fairest and most professional of agencies.  I'm happy to go with their judgement.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Pauws99 on June 08, 2021, 05:09
I'm happy to participate with the full allocation of files accepted by Adobe.  My experience of Adobe over the last few years is that they have been one of the fairest and most professional of agencies.  I'm happy to go with their judgement.
Me too. I think money in the hand is better than trying to second guess what may happen everyone can make their own choice.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Stocksaurus on June 08, 2021, 06:37
is there any agency offering free images with extended licence allowing to sell Prints and Merch on PODs ?
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: ShadySue on June 08, 2021, 07:27
is there any agency offering free images with extended licence allowing to sell Prints and Merch on PODs ?
I sure hope not.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: dirkr on June 08, 2021, 07:42
Mat, one more question:

You said the images in the free section do come with a standard license.
What happens, if a customer would need/want an EL for such an image? Can they still buy that EL (and we get the usual royalties)?
In the addendum it says (point 6): "During the Free Period, you will not receive any additional payment for Free Collection Works beyond the Free Payment"
That seems to exclude such a possibility, but maybe it's just something that should be clarified...

Thanks!
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Tonygers on June 08, 2021, 08:58
I've tried Chrome, Edge and Firefox and none will activate the greyed out accept button even after I scroll down to read all the disclaimer.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: amabu on June 08, 2021, 09:33
Hi Mat,
will a regular customer see free content intermixed with the "standard" content within the search results?
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: kall3bu on June 08, 2021, 09:41
Hi Mat,
will a regular customer see free content intermixed with the "standard" content within the search results?

Best would be indeed:
Free pic is one of a batch and similar images shown up are for sale. so the customer can select the free image or might prefer one of the images on sale.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MatHayward on June 08, 2021, 10:06
Mat, one more question:

You said the images in the free section do come with a standard license.
What happens, if a customer would need/want an EL for such an image? Can they still buy that EL (and we get the usual royalties)?
In the addendum it says (point 6): "During the Free Period, you will not receive any additional payment for Free Collection Works beyond the Free Payment"
That seems to exclude such a possibility, but maybe it's just something that should be clarified...

Thanks!

Thanks for th e question @dirkr.

No, Extended licenses are not available for purchase on free photos. Customer can however, click on your portfolio link or see similar images and purchase an Extended license on another photo in the series if you have one available.

-Mat
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: cruiser on June 08, 2021, 10:47
Hi Mat

I have images in my portfolio, i would give out for this program.

But, can you/Adobe make it a bit easier to nominate them, if someone doesn´t want to nominate either all, or select every single pic.

Maybe, Adobe can make a button on each page to select all (on every page), so it would be easier to deselect the ones, i don't want to have in the free section?
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: stockyme on June 08, 2021, 10:49
@Matt

Please answer my question very clear. I've 550 images nominated, will I get the payment for these in 1 go or it will be paid partially?


Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on June 08, 2021, 11:11
@Matt

Please answer my question very clear. I've 550 images nominated, will I get the payment for these in 1 go or it will be paid partially?

I'm not Mat, but he already has made what happens clear. Adobe Stock will make decisions on your nominations, so they could accept 0 to 550 of of them. When they decide you get credited and they will be deciding in more than one intake between June 23 and Sept 30

https://www.microstockgroup.com/fotolia-com/adobe-stock-upfront-royalty-payment-opportunity/msg564630/#msg564630 (https://www.microstockgroup.com/fotolia-com/adobe-stock-upfront-royalty-payment-opportunity/msg564630/#msg564630)
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: greatUN on June 08, 2021, 11:13
Hi Matt the button doesn't work. It's grayed out. Tried with different browsers and even mobile. Just doesn't work. Please fix it. Thanks


As many of you know, last year Adobe Stock launched a free collection to drive traffic to the marketplace. The initial collection was limited to participation from a very small number of Adobe Stock Contributors. We were pleased with the results: traffic did increase and many visitors who initially came for free content converted to paying customers, resulting in added revenue for the larger Contributor community.   

It’s now time to refresh and expand the program. For a limited time starting on June 7, many of you will see a banner in the dashboard section of the Adobe Stock Contributor portal. The banner gives you the opportunity to nominate qualified photos from your portfolio. You can nominate all eligible files (photos only at this time), or you can go through the Dashboard and nominate individual files. Please note that your best-selling images are exempt from this program. We will not be accepting any images that received more than 4 downloads in the past 12 months.   

You have until June 23 to nominate any or all your eligible files. After that, the banner will go away, and our moderation team will quickly review the submissions.   

A big difference between the Adobe Stock free collection and other sites offering content for free is that we are paying Contributors up front for participation. For every file approved for the free collection, we are paying a one-time rate of $5 (If paid in USD currently. Otherwise, 5 credits in your currency) . This payment is for 12 months of non-exclusive use in the free collection. After the 12 months are up, the files will automatically be returned into your paid collection. 
Please see the FAQ for more details, and let me know if you have any additional questions not covered there.

https://helpx.adobe.com/stock/contributor/help/free-collection-contributor-information.html

Thank you,

Mat Hayward
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Uncle Pete on June 08, 2021, 11:38
Hi Matt the button doesn't work. It's grayed out. Tried with different browsers and even mobile. Just doesn't work. Please fix it. Thanks

I am also "not Mat" but I logged out and signed back in with Chrome and the accept button appeared.

Hi Mat

I have images in my portfolio, i would give out for this program.

But, can you/Adobe make it a bit easier to nominate them, if someone doesn´t want to nominate either all, or select every single pic.

Maybe, Adobe can make a button on each page to select all (on every page), so it would be easier to deselect the ones, i don't want to have in the free section?

Not a complete answer, but I selected ALL and then started with page one, of better selling images, Dashboard>Downloads, marking them off. By the time I got to the images with no downloads, I didn't have to unselect any more? $5 is much more than zero.  :)
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MatHayward on June 08, 2021, 11:42
@Matt

Please answer my question very clear. I've 550 images nominated, will I get the payment for these in 1 go or it will be paid partially?

You will be paid for each asset you nominated that is approved, the moment they are added to the free collection. The first batch of accepted assets will be moved to the free collection shortly after the nomination period closes on June 23, 2021, at 9am PDT. We may accept additional files from your nominated photos and move them in batches to the free collection until September 30, 2021. You will be notified and receive payments for each accepted batch of photos should that occur.

Please check out the FAQ linked here for more information: https://helpx.adobe.com/stock/contributor/help/free-collection-contributor-information.html

Thanks,

Mat Hayward
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MatHayward on June 08, 2021, 11:43
Hi Mat

I have images in my portfolio, i would give out for this program.

But, can you/Adobe make it a bit easier to nominate them, if someone doesn´t want to nominate either all, or select every single pic.

Maybe, Adobe can make a button on each page to select all (on every page), so it would be easier to deselect the ones, i don't want to have in the free section?

Thanks for the suggestion. I don't see this as a likely option this time around but I've made a note of it in case something like this can be implimented in the future.

-Mat
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: silksatsunrise on June 08, 2021, 12:06
Hi Matt the button doesn't work. It's grayed out. Tried with different browsers and even mobile. Just doesn't work. Please fix it. Thanks

Button does not work for me also.


Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: wds on June 08, 2021, 12:08
I was paging through my port with the "Eligible for free collection" check box checked. I noticed that some files were repeated as I paged through the eligible files in my portfolio.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: stockyme on June 08, 2021, 12:29
@Matt

Please answer my question very clear. I've 550 images nominated, will I get the payment for these in 1 go or it will be paid partially?

I'm not Mat, but he already has made what happens clear. Adobe Stock will make decisions on your nominations, so they could accept 0 to 550 of of them. When they decide you get credited and they will be deciding in more than one intake between June 23 and Sept 30

https://www.microstockgroup.com/fotolia-com/adobe-stock-upfront-royalty-payment-opportunity/msg564630/#msg564630 (https://www.microstockgroup.com/fotolia-com/adobe-stock-upfront-royalty-payment-opportunity/msg564630/#msg564630)

Thank you so much for your reply. I hope they will accept all assets at once instead of partial payments.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MatHayward on June 08, 2021, 13:10
Many have reported an issue in which they cannot click to agree to the terms after nominating their assets. If you experience this, the first thing to try is a different browser.

If that still doesn't work, check to make sure your browser window is set to 100%. You can check/change this in Chrome for example by clicking the magnifying glass icon (just to the left of the star icon) found on the right side of the browser bar.

Please let me know if you have been experiencing this issue and changing the resolution in your browser fixes it.

Thank you,

Mat Hayward

Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: bestravelvideo on June 08, 2021, 13:15
Yes, as I reported yesterday to help the other readers, Chrome did not work. I had to change to Firefox to do the selection and then it worked. If someone responsible had done in prior the browsers compatibility test it would have spared us the dead end frustration, but at the end all is good.

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Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Hildegarde on June 08, 2021, 15:07
Greyed out with Firefox.  Not going to download Chrome-- twice Chrome has completely hosed up my laptop.  Firefox is a very popular browser.  Seems like Adobe needs to make it work with Firefox.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MatHayward on June 08, 2021, 15:28
Greyed out with Firefox.  Not going to download Chrome-- twice Chrome has completely hosed up my laptop.  Firefox is a very popular browser.  Seems like Adobe needs to make it work with Firefox.

Please try zooming your browser in Firefox to make sure you are at 100%. The grayed out button is ranging across various browsers and seems to be impacting people that are zoomed out for some unknown reason. See the post above as an example of Firefox working.

thanks,

Mat 
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: marthamarks on June 08, 2021, 16:07
Greyed out with Firefox.  Not going to download Chrome-- twice Chrome has completely hosed up my laptop.  Firefox is a very popular browser.  Seems like Adobe needs to make it work with Firefox.

It worked for me on Firefox.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Microstockphoto on June 08, 2021, 17:27
probably a flash thing why its not working  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Reckless on June 08, 2021, 21:21
For those having trouble with the accept button. Check to see if you have a program such as Ghosterly running in the background. These programs help to protect you from hackers by disabling pop-up functions (such as accept buttons). If you do, click on the icon for your service and tell it to trust the Adobe site then reload the page.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Zalee on June 08, 2021, 21:25
It's a hard decision for me as I only have a small portfolio and I need almost every sale I get to qualify for the software package. It's very tempting and I have already marked some available but I just hope it doesn't come at a cost of receiving the software. Maybe there could be some kind of compensation like x number of downloads would equal one normal download?
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: whosvegas on June 09, 2021, 01:13
Many have reported an issue in which they cannot click to agree to the terms after nominating their assets. If you experience this, the first thing to try is a different browser.

If that still doesn't work, check to make sure your browser window is set to 100%. You can check/change this in Chrome for example by clicking the magnifying glass icon (just to the left of the star icon) found on the right side of the browser bar.

Please let me know if you have been experiencing this issue and changing the resolution in your browser fixes it.

Thank you,

Mat Hayward
I'am using the dutch version of the site, the button was disabled
I have switched to English, and the button was enabled
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: kall3bu on June 09, 2021, 05:56
Dutch moved to non exist regions? LOL ;) :D
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MxR on June 09, 2021, 05:59
Hi Matt, today I wanted to review the free image screen that I chose, and when sorting them by "eligible for free collection" all of a sudden they were marked as free again. The images selection have already been reset twice. They should give some saving option so as not to lose time with this,
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Steveball on June 09, 2021, 06:16
Hi Matt,

I clicked a few nominate sliders but there doesn't seem to be an accept or next button. Am I missing something?
Thanks
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: dooks on June 09, 2021, 06:47
Does anybody know how big this collection is going to be? I'm offered to nominate a huge number of pictures, about 20% of my portfolio. If everybody accepts the offer in full capacity, free section will be so big, noone will need to buy anything anymore. That's what I'm worried about, but maybe I'm wrong and I hope Adobe knows whats it doing.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Firn on June 09, 2021, 09:09
If everybody accepts the offer in full capacity, free section will be so big, noone will need to buy anything anymore.

Adobe says that they select images from the images you nominate, so there is no guarantee they will take all images, even if you nominate all. Even if they selected 1000 of your images now, in the end they will probably pick the raisins and only select a handful. I suspect from many ports they will probably not pick any at all.

Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MatHayward on June 09, 2021, 09:20
Hi Matt, today I wanted to review the free image screen that I chose, and when sorting them by "eligible for free collection" all of a sudden they were marked as free again. The images selection have already been reset twice. They should give some saving option so as not to lose time with this,

I'm not sure I fully understand what you are reporting here. Can you confirm if you are "un-nominating" individual files and finding them re-nominated at a later time? Is there some identifiable action triggering this such as a refresh of the page or signing out and back in again? Which browser are you using?

Thank you,

Mat
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MatHayward on June 09, 2021, 09:21
Hi Matt,

I clicked a few nominate sliders but there doesn't seem to be an accept or next button. Am I missing something?
Thanks

Yes, you need to click to agree to the contributor addendum that should have popped up immediately when you nominated your first photo. You only need to do that one time.

-Mat
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MatHayward on June 09, 2021, 09:23
I was paging through my port with the "Eligible for free collection" check box checked. I noticed that some files were repeated as I paged through the eligible files in my portfolio.

That doesn't sound related to this particular offer but is likely a problem within your portfolio. Please send me an email with your Adobe ID and the file numbers you are seeing duplicated.

email: [email protected]

Thank you,

Mat
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MatHayward on June 09, 2021, 09:31
Does anybody know how big this collection is going to be? I'm offered to nominate a huge number of pictures, about 20% of my portfolio. If everybody accepts the offer in full capacity, free section will be so big, noone will need to buy anything anymore. That's what I'm worried about, but maybe I'm wrong and I hope Adobe knows whats it doing.

The free collection will be limited in size. It is important to note that it's highly unlikely we will accept every photo you nominate. We have been and continue to closely monitor the free collection to ensure there is no cannibalization of the paid collection. The size of the collection will offer breadth but not depth. In other words, we will have images available for a vast range of search queries, but not so many results that more than the basic needs are satisfied. The free collection is a tool used to draw new customers in so they can see how vast the paid collection is for a deeper selection of relevant stock content. This has worked well the past year which is what has prompted this current refresh.

thanks for all the questions everyone,

Mat Hayward

Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MatHayward on June 09, 2021, 09:43
I've been informed the root cause of the grayed out accept button was identified and corrected. If you were previously experiencing this issue, please try again and you should be good to go.

Thanks for your patience,

Mat Hayward
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Roscoe on June 09, 2021, 10:38
Does anybody know how big this collection is going to be? I'm offered to nominate a huge number of pictures, about 20% of my portfolio. If everybody accepts the offer in full capacity, free section will be so big, noone will need to buy anything anymore. That's what I'm worried about, but maybe I'm wrong and I hope Adobe knows whats it doing.

I think your worries are justified. Adobe sure knows what they are doing, but do we, contributors, know what we are doing?

At first sight, the 5$ fixed fee seems to be a fair price for images that are not considered as regular sellers. They try to get as many on board as they can with first nominating images, and afterwards making a selection. And I have to admit, it looks appealing. Having 1000 images nominated qualifies for a potential 5000$ payout. That's a lot of money in one go. But beware! Probably only a fraction of the nominated content (selected by AI I guess) will make it to the collection, resulting in payouts. Adobe can cherry-pick the content they want, and in the end, like you said, they will still have a big collection of high quality images covering a very broad amount of topics which they can offer for free. That collection will compete with the paid section at Adobe AND at other agencies, and I cannot imagine this will have no impact on our sales. In a lot of cases buyers are not looking for one specific image, but for just "an image" that supports their content or helps them telling their story.

It's a pretty smart move by Adobe. When I look at my nominated content, the vast majority are decent enough to very good images and all of them sold before, but not a lot. Now, the trick is: these images might not have done very well on Adobe, but some of them are doing well at other agencies. A matter of algorithm luck I guess: got the image up at the right time at the right place. They didn't underperform at Adobe because of a quality or usability issue, but because of the way the algorithm ranks them combined with strong competition.

I'm not saying it's a bad deal, but I would advice everyone to think it over, and manually nominate the images you want to have included in the free collection. Big collections with high quality content might become the future of microstock, and we're not gonna stop it, but make sure you protect your best-sellers and high quality content the best you can for as long as you can. Keep control of the content you care about. Firn already gave a very good example of what free images (unintended in his case) can do, so be warned.

Upfront royalty payments/Instant Pay programs are fine, and can be a nice addition to your income stream, but let's keep them what they are meant for: as honeypots (with mediocre content) for paid content (with high-quality content).

Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Camillo on June 09, 2021, 11:39

my much worst problem with adobestock is lack of sales last few weeks after region change (even tho I shoot isolated people not specific to any region)


I agree

This is my Adobe Stock RPD in 2021.

Jan 0,90$
Feb 1,05$
Mar 0,94$
Apr 0,85$
May 0,76$
Jun 0,72$ (first 7 days)

And earnings go from >600$/month to 300/400$/month, down 45% ... Why ?

SS RPD

May 0,89$
Jun 0,88$ (first 7 days) ...

You mean, you guys are making sales?
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Clair Voyant on June 09, 2021, 13:30
Can I give Adobe an upfront cloud payment of $5 to test drive Premiere Pro for 12 months in hopes it turns me into a paying customer? Asking for a friend.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: cascoly on June 09, 2021, 13:44
... Adobe can cherry-pick the content they want, and in the end, like you said, they will still have a big collection of high quality images covering a very broad amount of topics which they can offer for free. That collection will compete with the paid section at Adobe AND at other agencies, and I cannot imagine this will have no impact on our sales. .....

those 'competing' images will be there whether or not you nominate your own images.
 
so the choice is whether you take a12 mo payout on images that have not sold well on Adobe
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: cascoly on June 09, 2021, 13:55
less than 10% of my portfolio was listed as nominate-able but many thousands more have < 4 downloads - is there a filter to limiot the # nominated?
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MatHayward on June 09, 2021, 13:58
less than 10% of my portfolio was listed as nominate-able but many thousands more have < 4 downloads - is there a filter to limiot the # nominated?

Yes, you'll find the filter to view only nominated files just under the banner on the right side of the dashboard section. It's between the "sort by" filter and the image number search.

-Mat
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: wds on June 09, 2021, 15:21
Is there anyway to "group check" the boxes on eligible files in the portfolio? Very tedious to do it one by one.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: cascoly on June 09, 2021, 16:18
less than 10% of my portfolio was listed as nominate-able but many thousands more have < 4 downloads - is there a filter to limiot the # nominated?

Yes, you'll find the filter to view only nominated files just under the banner on the right side of the dashboard section. It's between the "sort by" filter and the image number search.

-Mat

sorry, i meant does Adobe apply a filter?  i accepted all the files i could nominate - but have thousands more that should be eligbible
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Noedelhap on June 09, 2021, 17:49
I don't see any banner or way to nominate files on my dashboard. Am I missing something? Can anyone screencap what it looks like?
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on June 09, 2021, 19:07
I don't see any banner or way to nominate files on my dashboard. Am I missing something? Can anyone screencap what it looks like?

See this snippet from my Dashboard - if you don't have any photos, perhaps that's why you don't see this?
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: BK on June 09, 2021, 20:26
Mat, I think this is a fair program to contributors. I appreciate Adobe’s efforts to consider the needs of contributors. Also really appreciate your active communication in this forum. I think You and Adobe are the gold standard of stock agencies now from the contributors’ perspective. Thanks!
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Firn on June 10, 2021, 00:57


those 'competing' images will be there whether or not you nominate your own images.
 
so the choice is whether you take a12 mo payout on images that have not sold well on Adobe

Nope. I can guarantee you that with many of the images Adobe nominated from my port there is no free alternative available from someone else.

 I photograph, among other things, my dogs in mostly custom-made, one-of-a-kind costumes and these photos are probably what earn me the most money on other agencies. You will, just to name one random example - not find a photo other than mine of a dog in a Japanese winking cat costume on any microstock agency. And this is just one example. I have a few other fields that do well, but not many other people have covered (that is, after all, one of the tricks of success in microstock).

So, no, my choice is not take a payout for images that have not sold well on Adobe, but on other agencies. I would be shooting myself in the foot if I offered unique bestsellers on other sites for free on Adobe for $5, just because Adobe failed to promote these images to their customers.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: deflet on June 10, 2021, 01:52
Mat hello, thank you for your concern.
I want to ask you two things, I think you're tired of questions, but I also know you're a gentleman enough to answer. sorry about my bad English.

1- 2900 + candidate photo suggestions have arrived. however, I have 11,000+ files, most of them undiscovered, do you mind if I nominate them?


2-Turkish tagged photos are very few sales, search is automatically translated in Turkish, is there anything I can do for this.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Steveball on June 10, 2021, 02:11
Hi Matt,

I clicked a few nominate sliders but there doesn't seem to be an accept or next button. Am I missing something?
Thanks

Yes, you need to click to agree to the contributor addendum that should have popped up immediately when you nominated your first photo. You only need to do that one time.

-Mat


Thanks Matt. So I guess the nominated images have been sent? I'm not sure as the full list of my nominated images are still showing the selected blue sliders.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Anita Potter on June 10, 2021, 04:52
I'm not seeing this banner at all on two different browsers.  I have photos in my portfolio but probably not enough to be included.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: 08stock08 on June 10, 2021, 04:57
This is very good offer. This brings the smile on the face and also mind brings the memories of very friendly Fotolia. Happy to see that legacy continues. Fotolia was friendly, the adobe stock is the friendlier agency.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: shutterview on June 10, 2021, 06:09
This is an interesting offer, hope it brings success.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: wds on June 10, 2021, 10:46
Is there anyway to "group check" the boxes on eligible files in the portfolio? Very tedious to do it one by one.

Don't mean to complain here, but I'll  ask again. Outside of selecting everything, is there any quick way to select groups of files or is it only accomplished by checking one box at a time....which is very time consuming!   It would be very helpful, if at least you could select one "page" of files at a time.

Thanks
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MatHayward on June 10, 2021, 10:50
Is there anyway to "group check" the boxes on eligible files in the portfolio? Very tedious to do it one by one.

You can nominate all eligible files in one fell swoop using the toggle in the banner itself. If you are wanting to nominate only a select number of photos, you will need to filter to show only eligible files and then select the files you want to nominate one at a time.

-Mat
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MatHayward on June 10, 2021, 10:51
less than 10% of my portfolio was listed as nominate-able but many thousands more have < 4 downloads - is there a filter to limiot the # nominated?

Yes, you'll find the filter to view only nominated files just under the banner on the right side of the dashboard section. It's between the "sort by" filter and the image number search.

-Mat

You cannot nominate images that are not already marked as eligible. We appreciate your desire to do so but your request cannot be accomodated at this time.

Thanks,

Mat

sorry, i meant does Adobe apply a filter?  i accepted all the files i could nominate - but have thousands more that should be eligbible
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MatHayward on June 10, 2021, 10:53
Hi Matt,

I clicked a few nominate sliders but there doesn't seem to be an accept or next button. Am I missing something?
Thanks

Yes, you need to click to agree to the contributor addendum that should have popped up immediately when you nominated your first photo. You only need to do that one time.

-Mat


Thanks Matt. So I guess the nominated images have been sent? I'm not sure as the full list of my nominated images are still showing the selected blue sliders.

You will be able to access the nomination option to either opt-in or opt-out files until June 23. After that, the banner will go away and your decision will be locked in.

Thank you,

Mat Hayward
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MatHayward on June 10, 2021, 10:54
I don't see any banner or way to nominate files on my dashboard. Am I missing something? Can anyone screencap what it looks like?

This is likely an indication you do not have any photos eligible for nomination. Please write to support using the contact-us link found at the bottom of the Adobe Stock contributor portal and we can confirm if this is the case or not for you.

Thank you,

Mat Hayward
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: wds on June 10, 2021, 11:13
Is there anyway to "group check" the boxes on eligible files in the portfolio? Very tedious to do it one by one.

You can nominate all eligible files in one fell swoop using the toggle in the banner itself. If you are wanting to nominate only a select number of photos, you will need to filter to show only eligible files and then select the files you want to nominate one at a time.

-Mat

Not the answer I wanted, but Thanks!
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: zastavkin on June 10, 2021, 11:44
If you have ever uploaded images to Yayimages (Yaymicro), check your pictures in their portfolio on Adobe https://stock.adobe.com/ru/contributor/208541429/yay-images
If you find that they are selling your pictures, soon your photos have a chance to be transferred  to Adobe free download section discussed above.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Noedelhap on June 10, 2021, 12:55
I don't see any banner or way to nominate files on my dashboard. Am I missing something? Can anyone screencap what it looks like?

See this snippet from my Dashboard - if you don't have any photos, perhaps that's why you don't see this?

No I don't have photos, I thought it would also count for vectors/illustrations. Makes sense now, thanks!
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: kall3bu on June 10, 2021, 13:18
If you have ever uploaded images to Yayimages (Yaymicro), check your pictures in their portfolio on Adobe https://stock.adobe.com/ru/contributor/208541429/yay-images
If you find that they are selling your pictures, soon your photos have a chance to be transferred  to Adobe free download section discussed above.

Is it only on the Russian site?
It takes very very long to open it - from Indonesia.
I tried to change the region - because I remember where the link should be, but then I got PAGE NOT FOUND. Maybe Yay only offers in Russia? To get not known about it from it own contributors, who have to contact each and all sites personally if they want their images delete there, because Yay does not care about keeping selling without paying their contributors. For me it is new, that they also sell on Adobe.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: zastavkin on June 10, 2021, 21:04

I tried to change the region - because I remember where the link should be, but then I got PAGE NOT FOUND.
Try this link https://stock.adobe.com/contributor/208541429/yay-images?load_type=author&prev_url=detail
Or find for example image id 383611053 an click on the author Yay Images.

P.S. Now Yay Images page doesn't exist. Maybe they were banned after my complains.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MicroVet on June 11, 2021, 01:05
Will we know if our accepted images are being downloaded in the free collection and how many times?
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: PhotoBomb on June 11, 2021, 08:17
Mat,

How will artists know when and which images are chosen?

Will there be some sort of notation on the images in our portfolios? Perhaps another filter in the collections?

Or will they just disappear from our portfolios?

I would think we need some kind of record of the images as to the date there are no longer for sale in our portfolios and the date they are expected back on sale for us. Especially since there is to be three waves of acceptance, it could get confusing and difficult to track.

Thanks for you answers.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MatHayward on June 11, 2021, 09:04
Will we know if our accepted images are being downloaded in the free collection and how many times?

No, there are no stats available for content in the free collection.

thanks for the question,

Mat
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MatHayward on June 11, 2021, 09:06
Mat,

How will artists know when and which images are chosen?

Will there be some sort of notation on the images in our portfolios? Perhaps another filter in the collections?

Or will they just disappear from our portfolios?

I would think we need some kind of record of the images as to the date there are no longer for sale in our portfolios and the date they are expected back on sale for us. Especially since there is to be three waves of acceptance, it could get confusing and difficult to track.

Thanks for you answers.

You will receive an email notification with the number of images that were accepted and the payment amount deposited into your Adobe Stock balance. You should be able to see the files you have accepted in the free collection in the dashboard section of the portal. I will double check as to what that will look like specifically and get back to you.

Thanks,

Mat Hayward
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: klod on June 11, 2021, 11:52
Some of my photos were tagged.  The common point of all these images is that all already sold, via Adobe and other sites, more that 4 copies, except for a single one.  But I sold full resolution copies of that one via other site..   If someone who purchased a copy was to find the image available for free, do you think its a returning customer?  If another agency also has the image in their catalogue, that is a good way to kill competition.  Its good for Adobe but for photogs?  Those who maintain portfolios with many agencies may find it difficult if they opt in to have their image accepted on other sites. 

Not knowing the number of downloads of free images is a major show stopper and for that reason alone I would not opt in.  Is it positive exposure to have your work available for free-I wonder....?  How much would it cost to purchase from Adobe a photo licensed for unlimited use for a year?

My sales dropped dramatically at Adobe last year. Is it the creation of that database of free images on Adobe that resulted in decreased sales?   
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Anthony on June 12, 2021, 14:53
Hi Matt. I have a question about completing the nomination process. I have nominated selected images on my dashboard and I am using Firefox at 100%. However I am not seeing a contributor agreement that has been mentioned elsewhere as completion to the nomination process.. Is there something that i need to do to prompt this agreement? Thanks Matt.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: shutterview on June 13, 2021, 06:18
Some of my photos were tagged.  The common point of all these images is that all already sold, via Adobe and other sites, more that 4 copies, except for a single one.  But I sold full resolution copies of that one via other site..   If someone who purchased a copy was to find the image available for free, do you think its a returning customer?  If another agency also has the image in their catalogue, that is a good way to kill competition.  Its good for Adobe but for photogs?  Those who maintain portfolios with many agencies may find it difficult if they opt in to have their image accepted on other sites. 

Not knowing the number of downloads of free images is a major show stopper and for that reason alone I would not opt in.  Is it positive exposure to have your work available for free-I wonder....?  How much would it cost to purchase from Adobe a photo licensed for unlimited use for a year?

My sales dropped dramatically at Adobe last year. Is it the creation of that database of free images on Adobe that resulted in decreased sales?
Well written. I'm afraid that this is becoming a standard, other agencies are following. In fact, Adobe is just forced to do the same. If we would be given 3, 4 or 5$ per picture for a year or whatever use, in the future, who will produce the content for that price I wonder? This time maybe we can bite the story these pictures are not selling anyway, but next time they will offer us the same amount for much better sellers. This doesn't look good.  I've already made enough for financial independence (4% rule), thanks to microstock in the last 10 years, but I pity the young and coming, having to deal with this cruel and unfair working environment.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Clair Voyant on June 13, 2021, 10:17
I just reviewed the content Adobe suggests I nominate... My conclusion taking everything into consideration is that this offer is only shooting yourself in the foot. Stepping over dollars to pick up pennies.

If Adobe wanted to pay me $5 for every image they suggest I nominate I'd give it some thought, but with no guarantee of how many images they will actually accept and pay for is like dangling a carrot in front of me which in my view is a very cheap way for Adobe to get a curated collection of freebies for primarily the sole benefit of Adobe.

It would be more of a bilateral benefit if Adobe limited the free collection to small web usage ie: 450px wide or high and only 72 dpi with a link or incentive for the freeloader to actually purchase the image at a higher res. That would be a win win situation and well worth consideration.

Seriously I am not that hungry for a few bucks to give my hi-res images away for free when they produce an income stream from other sources.

Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Clair Voyant on June 13, 2021, 10:19
Can I give Adobe an upfront cloud payment of $5 to test drive Premiere Pro for 12 months in hopes it turns me into a paying customer? Asking for a friend.

Is Adobe willing to put the shoe on the other foot? Still asking for a friend.

Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Dumc on June 13, 2021, 13:26
Honestly, most sales from other agencies comes from subscription, and customers never use all the photos they can, so there comes the money from, from unused subscriptions. It's not like, they're going to search if there is that one particular image for free on Adobe.

I find those arguments just ridicilous.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: shutterview on June 13, 2021, 13:36
Honestly, most sales from other agencies comes from subscription, and customers never use all the photos they can, so there comes the money from, from unused subscriptions. It's not like, they're going to search if there is that one particular image for free on Adobe.

I find those arguments just ridicilous.
The point is the other agencies are doing the same thing, offering free collections. That is the direction sales models are going.  We are talking about the harm a free collection, and your pictures in it, will make to you on that particular agency. It is not that Adobe is the only one offering free collection, and customers on other agencies are continuing to use their subscriptions there, that is not the point.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Firn on June 13, 2021, 13:51
Honestly, most sales from other agencies comes from subscription.
True, most sales come from subscriptions, but not most earnings are. While most of my sales are from subs, I earn the most money from non-sub sales.
Also, big companies with a 750 images per month subscription probably won't search for free alternatives as many, as you said, might not even use up all their images and they have a large budget to begin with. But these are the 0.10$ customers I don't really care about anyways.
What I care about are the smaller customers who have a 10 image subscription plan or even buy images on demand because they actually earn me dollar amounts instead of cents per sale. And someone who is on a tight budget and  has only 5 or 10 images he can download within a month might very likely look for free alternatives.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Uncle Pete on June 14, 2021, 06:06
I just reviewed the content Adobe suggests I nominate... My conclusion taking everything into consideration is that this offer is only shooting yourself in the foot. Stepping over dollars to pick up pennies.


Not all as simple as you are making it. In my case, I nominated images with no sales, it wasn't complicated or difficult to decide. If accepted that's more than the zero they have brought me in the past.

Watch for more to be following this idea, which is very similar to Instant Pay. "trending now..." free images to attract buyers.  :-\
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: shutterview on June 14, 2021, 06:31
I just reviewed the content Adobe suggests I nominate... My conclusion taking everything into consideration is that this offer is only shooting yourself in the foot. Stepping over dollars to pick up pennies.


Not all as simple as you are making it. In my case, I nominated images with no sales, it wasn't complicated or difficult to decide. If accepted that's more than the zero they have brought me in the past.

Watch for more to be following this idea, which is very similar to Instant Pay. "trending now..." free images to attract buyers.  :-\
For me it is not even that simple. Many of my nominated images with no sales are similars that have never made it through - because other pictures from the series have. Once the one with no sales starts being offered for free, it will kill the whole series. So, be careful, look at your nominated no sellers, if they are part of a series that otherwise sells well.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Dumc on June 14, 2021, 10:04
Then don't nominate any pictures. You have a choice. Problem solved.

I nominated everything that meets criteria. Because I don't want to go through my portfolio and checking every single image. Let Adobe do the work for me. Also, I don't expect much images to be accepted, maybe few at most. And just because a few of my images will be offered for free, I can't see how that could kill my otherwise "crazy sales" at other sites. I mean, you have an argument there, but is higly unlikely. I had 200$, 300$ gross sales on Alamy and the same images are offered on every single ageny. Those who shop on SS will buy at SS and won't be like "Hey let's google for that image if I can find it free elsewhere". Thats my opinion on it.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: shutterview on June 14, 2021, 10:39
I agree that, an the end, only couple of pictures will be selected from each portfolio. Too much talk about an irrelevant subject.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: nahlik on June 14, 2021, 11:58
Hi Matt,

I have a question from the other point of view. Is this free collection available only as the 10 free photos for a new member signed to Adobe Stock and then he/she can’t download more for free but must either cancel or choose one of the paid plans?  Or is the free collection available also in another way?
 
And if only as a free trial, is it possible, that someone who cancels a free membership after a month, will create another Adobe ID with another email address and will get another 10 free images?  Or do you have the means not to allow such a procedure by one person or company for a longer time?
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Firn on June 14, 2021, 12:01
Hi Matt,

I have a question from the other point of view. Is this free collection available only as the 10 free photos for a new member signed to Adobe Stock and then he/she can’t download more for free but must either cancel or choose one of the paid plans?  Or is the free collection available also in another way?


No, it's unlimited free to everyone. The gallery has been up for a while already:

https://stock.adobe.com/uk/search/free?safe_search=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3A3d%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Aillustration%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Aimage%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Aphoto%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Atemplate%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Azip_vector%5D=1&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Avideo%5D=1&filters%5Bfree_collection%5D=1&filters%5Border%5D=relevance&limit=100&search_type=filter-select&search_page=1&get_facets=1
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: f9photos on June 15, 2021, 07:36
is there any chance that a button "nominate all images on thee current page" will be added? Otherwise it is very time consuming task to manually select/deselect images/
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: aerogondo on June 15, 2021, 09:39
Hi Matt , or anybody else who knows this  :)

I just want to confirm.
I don't have to press the button 'nominate all all eligible', instead I can go one by one ( where on the first one an agreement appears ) and that will work?
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Uncle Pete on June 15, 2021, 10:03
Hi Matt , or anybody else who knows this  :)

I just want to confirm.
I don't have to press the button 'nominate all all eligible', instead I can go one by one ( where on the first one an agreement appears ) and that will work?

That's what I did, sort of? I nominated ALL and then went back and unchecked the ones I didn't want to be free. Easy at that, I started with images, sorted by sales. By the time I got to the no sales, my work was done.

None of my vectors were allowed to be nominated for some reason?

is there any chance that a button "nominate all images on thee current page" will be added? Otherwise it is very time consuming task to manually select/deselect images/

See above. At least that seems easiest for me? Picking what I don't want free was less work than picking what I would.

For the question of sets and similar, and what has sold and what has not. Beyond the fact that I don't do series, sets and similar, there's a reason the best ones have sold and the others have no sales. If they were equal, the sales would be distributed between them. I don't worry too much about losing a sale of a similar, as I have very, very few.

Sometimes I think people over analyze the whole market and one of those would be competing with oneself. I used to think that I did. Now I believe that buyers don't shop price and don't shop agencies, they generally buy from their main site. Of course if they can't find what the want, they will go look elsewhere. I'm talking about the majority of their licenses. If I have an image free on AS there's a good chance that someone who buys from another agency, won't be looking.

In general my best sellers on all agencies, are the same images. There are some variations by type, vectors vs editorial, but if I look at the top 20 across all places I every joined, they are nearly identical. The biggest difference is illustrations sell better on Adobe (and they are included in the free deal?) and Editorial sells best at SS. (and Adobe doesn't take news editorial) So hardly anything crosses. That which does, is not going to get checked by me, for free.  :)

I worry more about the idea that some people have posted, that free means some people will collect and archive, everything they can download for free, for future use, and ignore the terms of the license. Early on, SS buyers with the unlimited (25 a day) contracts would download 25 a day for a year. Once they had checked new, every day, for a year and downloaded the best, they had a collection of almost 10,000 "best" new images.

What I like from Adobe is, a chance to make money from images that have never sold anywhere, for anything, ever. So before all the worrying and checking and complicated analysis... Adobe has to accept one of my images. They are not accepting big numbers and will be very selective. Why worry about something, a situation, where I might get nothing selected at all?

Show me the money! I'd need 50 DLs on SS! I'll take the money now and be happy.

Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MatHayward on June 15, 2021, 12:43
is there any chance that a button "nominate all images on thee current page" will be added? Otherwise it is very time consuming task to manually select/deselect images/

Not likely to happen this time around @F9, thanks for the suggestion though!

-Mat
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MatHayward on June 15, 2021, 12:44
Hi Matt. I have a question about completing the nomination process. I have nominated selected images on my dashboard and I am using Firefox at 100%. However I am not seeing a contributor agreement that has been mentioned elsewhere as completion to the nomination process.. Is there something that i need to do to prompt this agreement? Thanks Matt.

Yes, you need to agree to the addendum. Once you nominated a file, that would have popped up automatically. You only need to click it once. You can review the details at the bottom of the FAQ.

-Mat
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Dodie on June 15, 2021, 13:09
I've been informed the root cause of the grayed out accept button was identified and corrected. If you were previously experiencing this issue, please try again and you should be good to go.

Thanks for your patience,

Mat Hayward
Hi Mat,
I can't find the accept button anywhere, it doesn't show up when I nominate images and I don't see it on the addendum page either. It is not grayed out, it doesn't exist anywhere. I tried FF and Chrome, browser at 100%.

Another question, just to be sure: if I move the slider on the blue bar to the right, all eligible files are selected (nominated) and then I can start unchecking one by one hundreds of files I don't want to nominate.
Is there another way to do this faster?
Thanks.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MatHayward on June 15, 2021, 13:25
I've been informed the root cause of the grayed out accept button was identified and corrected. If you were previously experiencing this issue, please try again and you should be good to go.

Thanks for your patience,

Mat Hayward
Hi Mat,
I can't find the accept button anywhere, it doesn't show up when I nominate images and I don't see it on the addendum page either. It is not grayed out, it doesn't exist anywhere. I tried FF and Chrome, browser at 100%.

Another question, just to be sure: if I move the slider on the blue bar to the right, all eligible files are selected (nominated) and then I can start unchecking one by one hundreds of files I don't want to nominate.
Is there another way to do this faster?
Thanks.

Are you 100% sure you didn't click it when you first looked? The popup doesn't repeat.

Unfortunately, no, there isn't a faster way to select or de-select beyond the one at a time option if you aren't nominating all eligible files.

-Mat
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Dodie on June 15, 2021, 13:36
Thanks Mat,
I am 100% sure I didn't click to agree because I was not decided what to do when I first looked. So, if the popup doesn't repeat, shouldn't the button be available at the addendum page?
What can I do now, how can I know?
Thanks.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: deflet on June 15, 2021, 15:14
I've been informed the root cause of the grayed out accept button was identified and corrected. If you were previously experiencing this issue, please try again and you should be good to go.

Thanks for your patience,

Mat Hayward
Hi Mat,
I can't find the accept button anywhere, it doesn't show up when I nominate images and I don't see it on the addendum page either. It is not grayed out, it doesn't exist anywhere. I tried FF and Chrome, browser at 100%.



i have the same problem,
my files are in the free section but there is no accept button.

How can I learn Matt?
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MatHayward on June 15, 2021, 15:35
Thanks Mat,
I am 100% sure I didn't click to agree because I was not decided what to do when I first looked. So, if the popup doesn't repeat, shouldn't the button be available at the addendum page?
What can I do now, how can I know?
Thanks.

The system was designed to prevent this. The moment you nominate an asset (either just one, or nominate them all with the button), the addendum dialogue pops up automatically. Once that happens, you have two options.

1.  Click X to close the dialogue without agreeing
     a. If you click the X and close the dialogue, any nominated photos are returned to the un-nominated status immediately.
2.  Click to agree
     a. The addendum box closes, your photo(s) switch to "nominated" status and you never see the dialogue pop up again.

As a reminder, to review the addendum, you must visit the FAQ page linked here: https://helpx.adobe.com/stock/contributor/help/free-collection-contributor-information.html

@Dodie, if you are seeing your files are still nominated, that is an indication you did agree to the addendum. Feel free to send me an email to confirm your files are nominated.

[email protected]

Thank you,

Mat Hayward


Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Dodie on June 16, 2021, 02:22
Thanks Mat,
I am 100% sure I didn't click to agree because I was not decided what to do when I first looked. So, if the popup doesn't repeat, shouldn't the button be available at the addendum page?
What can I do now, how can I know?
Thanks.

The system was designed to prevent this. The moment you nominate an asset (either just one, or nominate them all with the button), the addendum dialogue pops up automatically. Once that happens, you have two options.

1.  Click X to close the dialogue without agreeing
     a. If you click the X and close the dialogue, any nominated photos are returned to the un-nominated status immediately.
2.  Click to agree
     a. The addendum box closes, your photo(s) switch to "nominated" status and you never see the dialogue pop up again.

As a reminder, to review the addendum, you must visit the FAQ page linked here: https://helpx.adobe.com/stock/contributor/help/free-collection-contributor-information.html

@Dodie, if you are seeing your files are still nominated, that is an indication you did agree to the addendum. Feel free to send me an email to confirm your files are nominated.

[email protected]

Thank you,

Mat Hayward
Thank you Mat.

My files are still nominated. The problem is that the pages of the entire batch are not sorted by a certain criteria,  each time the images are in different order and some images show up twice on different pages. Last nigh I double-checked all nominated ones and this morning I've found some bestsellers (also on other agencies) that escaped my vigilance and were still nominated.
I'll wait up and see what happens, I just hope not to give away some bestseller, by mistake.

Thanks for your help Mat.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Jens G on June 16, 2021, 10:10
...
My files are still nominated. The problem is that the pages of the entire batch are not sorted by a certain criteria,  each time the images are in different order and some images show up twice on different pages. Last nigh I double-checked all nominated ones and this morning I've found some bestsellers (also on other agencies) that escaped my vigilance and were still nominated.
I'll wait up and see what happens, I just hope not to give away some bestseller, by mistake.

Thanks for your help Mat.
I think that if you sort by Date, instead of by Downloads, it will keep the order through the pages.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Dodie on June 16, 2021, 11:14
...
My files are still nominated. The problem is that the pages of the entire batch are not sorted by a certain criteria,  each time the images are in different order and some images show up twice on different pages. Last nigh I double-checked all nominated ones and this morning I've found some bestsellers (also on other agencies) that escaped my vigilance and were still nominated.
I'll wait up and see what happens, I just hope not to give away some bestseller, by mistake.

Thanks for your help Mat.
I think that if you sort by Date, instead of by Downloads, it will keep the order through the pages.
Good idea, it was helpful to find and uncheck some more images that I didn't want to nominate.
Thank you very much.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on June 16, 2021, 11:34
I don't see any banner or way to nominate files on my dashboard. Am I missing something? Can anyone screencap what it looks like?

See this snippet from my Dashboard - if you don't have any photos, perhaps that's why you don't see this?

No I don't have photos, I thought it would also count for vectors/illustrations. Makes sense now, thanks!

Adobe has recently added a lot of new images to the free collection, including illustrations and vectors, so I'm not sure why they aren't allowing "regular" contributors to add content other than photos.

I've been tracking the size of the free collection and since June 1, 2021, it has grown by 46,421 (to 113,884) after staying pretty static around 77k to 78k since last October.

Illustrations had been stuck at 17 since the beginning, but it's now at 2,847, and vectors have grown by about 7k since June 1 (again having been largely unchanged since October). Videos have grown by 4k as well. Photos have grown from 51k in October to 73k today

I can't find anything now, but I thought I remembered someone saying that the free section would be capped at 100,000 images. Clearly that's not the case, but if anyone has a link to something saying that, please share.

Perhaps Mat can give updated information on how big the Free section will get after June 23rd? And I assume there won't be any "old" free content dropping out - at the one year expiry - until October 2021, so this isn't about replacing the current collection as it is expiring.

Edited to add links to three contributors whose work is featured on the first page of the free section today. I don't think they were in the free section when it started. Take a look at the excellent work - and the large quantity of it. I know the message from Adobe is that they're going for breadth not depth, but it just hurts to see work like this available at no charge to buyers.


Gorodenkoff (~2,000)
https://stock.adobe.com/search/free?creator_id=200571845 (https://stock.adobe.com/search/free?creator_id=200571845)

Lightfield Studios (~6,900)
https://stock.adobe.com/search/free?creator_id=206713618 (https://stock.adobe.com/search/free?creator_id=206713618)

Pressmaster (~5,000)
https://stock.adobe.com/search/free?creator_id=280047 (https://stock.adobe.com/search/free?creator_id=280047)

Here's a link to the post from October with other portfolio links for free content

https://www.microstockgroup.com/fotolia-com/introducing-the-free-collection-from-adobe-stock/msg557749/#msg557749 (https://www.microstockgroup.com/fotolia-com/introducing-the-free-collection-from-adobe-stock/msg557749/#msg557749)
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: amabu on June 16, 2021, 11:50
I don't see any banner or way to nominate files on my dashboard. Am I missing something? Can anyone screencap what it looks like?

See this snippet from my Dashboard - if you don't have any photos, perhaps that's why you don't see this?

No I don't have photos, I thought it would also count for vectors/illustrations. Makes sense now, thanks!

Adobe has recently added a lot of new images to the free collection, including illustrations and vectors, so I'm not sure why they aren't allowing "regular" contributors to add content other than photos.

I've been tracking the size of the free collection and since June 1, 2021, it has grown by 46,421 (to 113,884) after staying pretty static around 77k to 78k since last October.

Illustrations had been stuck at 17 since the beginning, but it's now at 2,847, and vectors have grown by about 7k since June 1 (again having been largely unchanged since October). Videos have grown by 4k as well.

I can't find anything now, but I thought I remembered someone saying that the free section would be capped at 100,000 images. Clearly that's not the case, but if anyone has a link to something saying that, please share.

Perhaps Mat can give updated information on how big the Free section will get after June 23rd? And I assume there won't be any "old" free content dropping out - at the one year expiry - until October 2021, so this isn't about replacing the current collection as it is expiring.

I am only shown 73.636 free photos (from Germany)
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on June 16, 2021, 11:52

...I am only shown 73.636 free photos (from Germany)

I saw 73,621 free *photos* this morning, but the free collection includes more than just photos - 113,884 was everything in the Free collection.

In October 2020 there were 51,791 free photos
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Sean Locke Photography on June 16, 2021, 12:54
Gorodenkoff (~2,000)
https://stock.adobe.com/search/free?creator_id=200571845 (https://stock.adobe.com/search/free?creator_id=200571845)

Lightfield Studios (~6,900)
https://stock.adobe.com/search/free?creator_id=206713618 (https://stock.adobe.com/search/free?creator_id=206713618)

Pressmaster (~5,000)
https://stock.adobe.com/search/free?creator_id=280047 (https://stock.adobe.com/search/free?creator_id=280047)


That is absolutely crazy.  It's amazing anyone else can still make money these days.  And imo, they're not too smart for giving that kind of content away.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Dodie on June 16, 2021, 12:56

Adobe has recently added a lot of new images to the free collection, including illustrations and vectors, so I'm not sure why they aren't allowing "regular" contributors to add content other than photos.

They allow illustrations (rasters), I have several of them eligible. I don't know about vectors.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on June 16, 2021, 13:37

Adobe has recently added a lot of new images to the free collection, including illustrations and vectors, so I'm not sure why they aren't allowing "regular" contributors to add content other than photos.

They allow illustrations (rasters), I have several of them eligible. I don't know about vectors.

From Mat, earlier in this thread

Any plans to include other content beyond photos?

Currently, we are refreshing the photos in our free collection. We may have an option to nominate additional asset types in the future. I will be sure to post updates in MSG if that comes to be.

-Mat
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Dodie on June 16, 2021, 14:08

From Mat, earlier in this thread

Any plans to include other content beyond photos?

Currently, we are refreshing the photos in our free collection. We may have an option to nominate additional asset types in the future. I will be sure to post updates in MSG if that comes to be.

-Mat

I know Jo Ann, they say the same thing in the FAQ too. Still I have about 10 illustrations eligible, mostly backgrounds and not just me. It's just the usual inconsistency from these agencies, I think.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: marthamarks on June 16, 2021, 14:16
... it just hurts to see work like this available at no charge to buyers.


Gorodenkoff (~2,000)
https://stock.adobe.com/search/free?creator_id=200571845 (https://stock.adobe.com/search/free?creator_id=200571845)

Lightfield Studios (~6,900)
https://stock.adobe.com/search/free?creator_id=206713618 (https://stock.adobe.com/search/free?creator_id=206713618)

Pressmaster (~5,000)
https://stock.adobe.com/search/free?creator_id=280047 (https://stock.adobe.com/search/free?creator_id=280047)


"Hurts" is exactly the right word for how one feels looking at those images. No wonder paid content is tanking when marvelous examples like those are given away for free.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Noedelhap on June 16, 2021, 16:51
Gorodenkoff (~2,000)
https://stock.adobe.com/search/free?creator_id=200571845 (https://stock.adobe.com/search/free?creator_id=200571845)

Lightfield Studios (~6,900)
https://stock.adobe.com/search/free?creator_id=206713618 (https://stock.adobe.com/search/free?creator_id=206713618)

Pressmaster (~5,000)
https://stock.adobe.com/search/free?creator_id=280047 (https://stock.adobe.com/search/free?creator_id=280047)


That is absolutely crazy.  It's amazing anyone else can still make money these days.  And imo, they're not too smart for giving that kind of content away.

That's why I'm very wary of this whole 'nominate your assets for an upfront royalty payment' thing. It's like a trap most people are wandering into blindly, lured in by instant gratification.

In the end, the only real winners are the agencies.
When the price war is over, there will be a handful of powerful agencies left. Only the strongest creatives and some hobbyists will still make some money, a few pennies per download. The once fertile lands of microstock will be a barren wasteland, devoid of any real money-making opportunities for the majority of us creatives.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: marthamarks on June 16, 2021, 20:10
Gorodenkoff (~2,000)
https://stock.adobe.com/search/free?creator_id=200571845 (https://stock.adobe.com/search/free?creator_id=200571845)

Lightfield Studios (~6,900)
https://stock.adobe.com/search/free?creator_id=206713618 (https://stock.adobe.com/search/free?creator_id=206713618)

Pressmaster (~5,000)
https://stock.adobe.com/search/free?creator_id=280047 (https://stock.adobe.com/search/free?creator_id=280047)


That is absolutely crazy.  It's amazing anyone else can still make money these days.  And imo, they're not too smart for giving that kind of content away.

That's why I'm very wary of this whole 'nominate your assets for an upfront royalty payment' thing. It's like a trap most people are wandering into blindly, lured in by instant gratification.

In the end, the only real winners are the agencies.
When the price war is over, there will be a handful of powerful agencies left. Only the strongest creatives and some hobbyists will still make some money, a few pennies per download. The once fertile lands of microstock will be a barren wasteland, devoid of any real money-making opportunities for the majority of us creatives.

Well said. I fear you are absolutely right.

But I'm old, so I won't likely live to see the dreadful end-point of this once-promising endeavor. I do feel sorry for younger creatives, who will live to see the crack up and have no choice but to live with it.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: kall3bu on June 17, 2021, 02:40
Pressmaster (~5,000)
https://stock.adobe.com/search/free?creator_id=280047

I don´t want to blame Pressmaster, who really shoot great and salable images, but I directly remembered that agencies forced us to take authentic images now. But if you look at Pressmaster as just one example: Where is the authentic there? ALL people looks like posing. but it still sells.
Same as diversity: We got forced to shoot more diversity and there might be increased sales for it (and authentic images, too), but still most sales are not these diversity images.
And if I see how ´clean´ these images are (indeed professional), well, for me it is a no go, because it again does not look authentic in any way.
But I have to state that I hate advertising in any kind and directly click them away or on TV I change the channel. It is still a dreamworld nearly nobody have.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: kall3bu on June 17, 2021, 02:55
And Adobe still don´t want to unfilter people that much. If you filter no people there are still minimum 30% coming up with people and many of them with whole body.
Adobes search engine seems to be very bad, but I am sure it is Adobes plan to show only the images with most sales.
If you search for a name of a small beach in Indonesia, which is not well known from foreigners, Adobe shows alternatives first and ask, if we really want to search for that beach name. It is frustrating!
You could think: Hey, great, I am the only one took photos of that beach (on Adobe), but they show alternatives instead.
So, Adobe is really only supporting special images and contributors and treat the other ones in that way. Now more in a discriminating way since their regional outsourcing. I researched little bit more and found out that not only images shot in these discriminated countries getting outsourced. No! Already images uploaded from that countries getting outsourced, too, even if these images have no connection to a special country like usual backgrounds and so on.

Evangelist in this case getting a new dimension and meaning.

WHEN Adobe will give us clear statements about their regional plans?
Sorry, Mat, I will not stop forcing Adobe or you to answer all the questions which are still not answered!
(The other thread already died, no questions anymore, because we even will not get any answers. Instead Adobe offers this instant pay to make their contributors forget about the regional plans and others.)
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Dodie on June 17, 2021, 03:57
Gorodenkoff (~2,000)
https://stock.adobe.com/search/free?creator_id=200571845 (https://stock.adobe.com/search/free?creator_id=200571845)

Lightfield Studios (~6,900)
https://stock.adobe.com/search/free?creator_id=206713618 (https://stock.adobe.com/search/free?creator_id=206713618)

Pressmaster (~5,000)
https://stock.adobe.com/search/free?creator_id=280047 (https://stock.adobe.com/search/free?creator_id=280047)


That is absolutely crazy.  It's amazing anyone else can still make money these days.  And imo, they're not too smart for giving that kind of content away.

That's why I'm very wary of this whole 'nominate your assets for an upfront royalty payment' thing. It's like a trap most people are wandering into blindly, lured in by instant gratification.

In the end, the only real winners are the agencies.
When the price war is over, there will be a handful of powerful agencies left. Only the strongest creatives and some hobbyists will still make some money, a few pennies per download. The once fertile lands of microstock will be a barren wasteland, devoid of any real money-making opportunities for the majority of us creatives.
You have both the question and the answer in your posting:

 "nominate your assets for an upfront royalty payment' thing. It's like a trap most people are wandering into blindly, lured in by instant gratification. "

The guy from the first link has 200 free images ($1k) from his 10k port probably because he agrees with you in what "The once fertile lands of microstock will be a barren wasteland, devoid of any real money-making opportunities for the majority of us creatives."
Unfortunately that is how the future looks like.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: shutterview on June 17, 2021, 04:02
Pressmaster (~5,000)
https://stock.adobe.com/search/free?creator_id=280047

I don´t want to blame Pressmaster, who really shoot great and salable images, but I directly remembered that agencies forced us to take authentic images now. But if you look at Pressmaster as just one example: Where is the authentic there? ALL people looks like posing. but it still sells.
Same as diversity: We got forced to shoot more diversity and there might be increased sales for it (and authentic images, too), but still most sales are not these diversity images.
And if I see how ´clean´ these images are (indeed professional), well, for me it is a no go, because it again does not look authentic in any way.
But I have to state that I hate advertising in any kind and directly click them away or on TV I change the channel. It is still a dreamworld nearly nobody have.
Authentic images are hard to produce. I worked in newspapers for many years, and sometimes you have to wait for hours to get that spontaneous candid shot. So, photographers, like the one you mentioned, sell posed pictures well, because there is no other choice for buyers, there are not enough spontaneous pictures (and there never will be, it is not profitable to produce).
The other thing, I never shoot what agencies want us to in their monthly shooting lists. It is usually something hard to produce or something lacking in their galleries, and it is lacking because it doesn't sell and noone wants to produce it, but few customers were searching for it without success, so agencies are wishing to have it. Or, there will be sudden oversupply of a specific subject. They don't care if photographers never pay off these shootings. Never, never shoot by agencies' shoot lists. It represents selfishness in its finest form.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Ukko on June 17, 2021, 16:29
Adobe would like to buy 160 photos from me that I took ten years ago as an exercise. With my current equipment, I could easily get much better photos with little effort. Without the slightest doubt, I'm more than happy to accept this offer.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Clair Voyant on June 18, 2021, 10:52
Why this giving your hard work away for free is even a debate is beyond logic.

Mat... Do you work for free?

Didn't think so.

Is Adobe a charity?

Didn't think so.

Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: shutterview on June 18, 2021, 10:54
It is not for free, it is 5$ each. :-\
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Ukko on June 18, 2021, 11:09
I'd quit my day job in a heartbeat if I always got $5 for every photo I took. After all, no one here is selling their best photos, only their mediocre ones.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Clair Voyant on June 18, 2021, 12:11
It is not for free, it is 5$ each. :-\

Okay if you really need to be literal...

Does Mat accept pay for one weeks salary to work for free for one year?

Didn't think so, so why should you do the same with your work?



Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Dumc on June 18, 2021, 12:42
It's not like, images with less than 4 downloads are bringing you bunch of money, so you can get 5$ for each selected or you can have them sit in your port for free.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: shutterview on June 18, 2021, 13:28
It's not like, images with less than 4 downloads are bringing you bunch of money, so you can get 5$ for each selected or you can have them sit in your port for free.
Number of past downloads doesn't mean much for future sales. You should hire advisor, I see you made few inaccurate statements regarding statistics before.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Clair Voyant on June 18, 2021, 13:43
It's not like, images with less than 4 downloads are bringing you bunch of money, so you can get 5$ for each selected or you can have them sit in your port for free.
Number of past downloads doesn't mean much for future sales. You should hire advisor, I see you made few inaccurate statements regarding statistics before.

As I mentioned in an earlier post... stepping over dollars to pick up pennies.

Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Firn on June 18, 2021, 13:46
It's not like, images with less than 4 downloads are bringing you bunch of money, so you can get 5$ for each selected or you can have them sit in your port for free.
Oh, but images with less than 4 downloads on Adobe actually bring me quite a bunch of money....just not on Adobe.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: aerogondo on June 18, 2021, 14:02
Hello Matt,

Can you please confirm that I DON'T have to click on the toggle button and 'Nominate all eligible assets'. Instead I can nominate one by one filtering 'eligible for free selection' and sort by downloads ?

Thank you
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: cascoly on June 18, 2021, 20:06
It's not like, images with less than 4 downloads are bringing you bunch of money, so you can get 5$ for each selected or you can have them sit in your port for free.
Oh, but images with less than 4 downloads on Adobe actually bring me quite a bunch of money....just not on Adobe.

so if they're not selling on AS, why not take the $5?  it's not like most users go to multiple sites
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Firn on June 19, 2021, 00:28
It's not like, images with less than 4 downloads are bringing you bunch of money, so you can get 5$ for each selected or you can have them sit in your port for free.
Oh, but images with less than 4 downloads on Adobe actually bring me quite a bunch of money....just not on Adobe.

so if they're not selling on AS, why not take the $5?  it's not like most users go to multiple sites


Big companies with a 750 images per month subscription probably won't search for free alternatives as many might not even use up all their images and they have a large budget to begin with. But these are the 0.10$ customers I don't really care about anyways.
What I care about are the smaller customers who have a 10 image subscription plan or even buy images on demand because they actually earn me dollar amounts instead of cents per sale. And someone who is on a tight budget and  has only 5 or 10 images he can download within a month might very likely look for free alternatives.

No chance in hell I am going to ruin some of my bestsellers by offering them for free. If it's worth it for you, then good for you, take the offer. But for me it's a question of "Do you want 500$ for that image or 5$"? And that's not a hard choice for me. I have nominated a few images that don't sell well anywhere. In these cases 5$ is better than 0$. Doubt Adobe will pick them in the end. But I am not going to give away any image that sells regularly for me on other agencies for free for a meager 5$.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Lina on June 19, 2021, 03:55
Most of you who are posting "5$ is better than nothing", I don't think you are seeing bigger picture. With appearance of free sites, prices are constantly dropping, buyers are getting broader rights with standard licenses and so on. With more high quality free pictures of any kind, there will be less need to pay subscription to microstock sites, prices will drop even more etc. Plus, contributors are already moving on or becoming demotivated, so nice and original images are hard to find on some stock sites and buyers who need something special will search somewhere else.

I am designer, just couple years ago most of my clients had some subscription to microstock. These days most of them think there is no need to have subscription because there is great choice of free images. Even if they can't find exactly what they want, they will stay with free rather than buying images. Just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Dodie on June 19, 2021, 05:51
No chance in hell I am going to ruin some of my bestsellers by offering them for free. If it's worth it for you, then good for you, take the offer. But for me it's a question of "Do you want 500$ for that image or 5$"? And that's not a hard choice for me. I have nominated a few images that don't sell well anywhere. In these cases 5$ is better than 0$. Doubt Adobe will pick them in the end. But I am not going to give away any image that sells regularly for me on other agencies for free for a meager 5$.

I don't know your port but I am convinced that $500 for an image these days is more like a fantasy even for the best contributors.
I am not for giving away anything for free but I understand that for a contributor with say 10k images caching in $1k upfront for 200 images that just sit there for many years is a good choice. In a few years, not so many, we will be proud and thankful if someone chooses them for free.

After all, nobody is forced to do anything they don't want to.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Ukko on June 19, 2021, 08:24
It's not like, images with less than 4 downloads are bringing you bunch of money, so you can get 5$ for each selected or you can have them sit in your port for free.
Oh, but images with less than 4 downloads on Adobe actually bring me quite a bunch of money....just not on Adobe.

so if they're not selling on AS, why not take the $5?  it's not like most users go to multiple sites


Big companies with a 750 images per month subscription probably won't search for free alternatives as many might not even use up all their images and they have a large budget to begin with. But these are the 0.10$ customers I don't really care about anyways.
What I care about are the smaller customers who have a 10 image subscription plan or even buy images on demand because they actually earn me dollar amounts instead of cents per sale. And someone who is on a tight budget and  has only 5 or 10 images he can download within a month might very likely look for free alternatives.

No chance in hell I am going to ruin some of my bestsellers by offering them for free. If it's worth it for you, then good for you, take the offer. But for me it's a question of "Do you want 500$ for that image or 5$"? And that's not a hard choice for me. I have nominated a few images that don't sell well anywhere. In these cases 5$ is better than 0$. Doubt Adobe will pick them in the end. But I am not going to give away any image that sells regularly for me on other agencies for free for a meager 5$.

No one is selling their best photos. Read Mat's post again: "We will not be accepting any images that received more than 4 downloads in the past 12 months".
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: spike on June 19, 2021, 09:39
Sorry if this has been answered, couldn't find the info.

Is the 5$ payment subject to withholding tax or not?

That's a difference between 5$ and 3.5$ per asset (assuming 30% rate), which is quite substantial.

Please share info before nomination deadline
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Uncle Pete on June 19, 2021, 10:07

No one is selling their best photos. Read Mat's post again: "We will not be accepting any images that received more than 4 downloads in the past 12 months".

Doesn't matter. Some people see this as a positive opportunity and some only see negative. The rest is just arguing their opinion why.  :)

First thing, after we check low selling or never sold images, like I did, is then having Adobe select them. It has been repeated many times, only a limited number will be put into the collection. No one is going to get 200 images accepted, for $5 each. Myself if I get two, I'll be pretty happy with the $10. These are not going to be huge numbers of our images, so I won't be competing with myself or losing potential sales. And I only selected images that aren't selling on Adobe or anywhere else. Pretty basic?

This is not promoting a free website, it's attracting customers to a pay site. One that I work at and have many more images, which more new buyers, might like. The giving away free images, is like free lunch... but you have to pay for everything else while you are there. It's marketing and promotion, which brings more paid sales.

For those who don't like the idea, don't participate. You have free will and free choice.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Dodie on June 19, 2021, 10:15
Sorry if this has been answered, couldn't find the info.

Is the 5$ payment subject to withholding tax or not?

That's a difference between 5$ and 3.5$ per asset (assuming 30% rate), which is quite substantial.

Please share info before nomination deadline

This is a very good question. I am with 10% but that counts too.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Clair Voyant on June 19, 2021, 10:38
Most of you who are posting "5$ is better than nothing", I don't think you are seeing bigger picture. With appearance of free sites, prices are constantly dropping, buyers are getting broader rights with standard licenses and so on. With more high quality free pictures of any kind, there will be less need to pay subscription to microstock sites, prices will drop even more etc. Plus, contributors are already moving on or becoming demotivated, so nice and original images are hard to find on some stock sites and buyers who need something special will search somewhere else.

I am designer, just couple years ago most of my clients had some subscription to microstock. These days most of them think there is no need to have subscription because there is great choice of free images. Even if they can't find exactly what they want, they will stay with free rather than buying images. Just my 2 cents.

You are absolutely correct! Not so long ago there was the same argument with microstock... better get 0.25c per download as it's better than nothing... look where that got us.

Or maybe the is the next step in the regress (this should read 'evolution') of the stock industry.

Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Dodie on June 19, 2021, 10:41

 It has been repeated many times, only a limited number will be put into the collection. No one is going to get 200 images accepted, for $5 each. ------------Pretty basic?


True, it is pretty basic. They will accept as many as they want from a good portfolio (not mine).

There were some links earlier of some amazing portfolios.
This guy has 2000 (two thousand) images accepted, 20 pages of free images.
https://stock.adobe.com/ro/search/free?creator_id=200571845 (https://stock.adobe.com/ro/search/free?creator_id=200571845)

His entire port has 100 pages: https://stock.adobe.com/ro/contributor/200571845/gorodenkoff?load_type=author&prev_url=detail (https://stock.adobe.com/ro/contributor/200571845/gorodenkoff?load_type=author&prev_url=detail)
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Roscoe on June 19, 2021, 10:46
I don't know your port but I am convinced that $500 for an image these days is more like a fantasy even for the best contributors.
I guess Firn didn't mean getting 500$ for one image with one sale, but getting 500$ for one image with combined sales spread in a one year period. And not at Adobe obviously, but at another agency. Now, that would still require an exceptionally good selling image, but it's not completely unrealistic either. Lower the bar with a factor 10, getting 50$ for one image (combined sales at another agency) instead of 5$ at adobe with the instant pay option is still a no-brainer: keep it for sale, not for free. Much more realistic, and I'm sure a lot of the images selected by adobe fall within this category. I fully understand that contributors don't want to potentially compromise their sales at other agencies.

Another factor: by selecting high quality images for the free section, you basically "teach" customers that also high quality images are available for free, so we're all lowering our own bars here and raising the customer expectation's bar. They already have their images dirt cheap, now they also have an increasingly growing number of quality images for free and that expectation is not gonna go away after one year. 

As I said before: not saying it's a bad deal by adobe, but let's all handle it with care. So what I did: I manually selected the images that are 1. lower quality and 2. don't sell at other agencies either. Let's see how many of them make it to the final selection. High quality images are out of scope for me, also the the ones that didn't sell.  I sold some EL's this year at Shutterstock for 30 dollars or more, images that never sold before and then suddenly got a big sale. I don't want to compromise that. Many say customers don't shop around, and I'm willing to go along with that for subscription sales, but EL's are a different story I think. So I'm still very careful here, and take for the vast majority of my images the long run instead of instant gratification.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Dodie on June 19, 2021, 11:13
So what I did: I manually selected the images that are 1. lower quality and 2. don't sell at other agencies either. Let's see how many of them make it to the final selection.

So I'm still very careful here, and take for the vast majority of my images the long run instead of instant gratification.

 I think that is what most contributors did.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: farbled on June 19, 2021, 11:32

As I mentioned in an earlier post... stepping over dollars to pick up pennies.

I think you are making an erroneous suggestion that all microstock photos are equal in value. Value to me is what sells or has potential to sell. In my opinion, I think a good percentage of current microstock libraries is overpriced even at a penny (some of my own included in there).

I had some photos on free sites when I was researching those, and I can tell you I never got very many actual downloads (the thousands and thousands were more the exception than the norm). I wonder if people would be more offended or less offended if no one ever used their photos on the free offerings (if Adobe showed the download numbers of course).
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MatHayward on June 19, 2021, 11:34
Hello Matt,

Can you please confirm that I DON'T have to click on the toggle button and 'Nominate all eligible assets'. Instead I can nominate one by one filtering 'eligible for free selection' and sort by downloads ?

Thank you

I haven't personally tested this as I chose to nominate all eligible files, but yes you can click to nominate individual images one at a time if that is your preference.

Thank you,

Mat Hayward
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Firn on June 19, 2021, 11:35
I don't know your port but I am convinced that $500 for an image these days is more like a fantasy even for the best contributors.
I guess Firn didn't mean getting 500$ for one image with one sale, but getting 500$ for one image with combined sales spread in a one year period. .
Exactly.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MatHayward on June 19, 2021, 11:36
Sorry if this has been answered, couldn't find the info.

Is the 5$ payment subject to withholding tax or not?

That's a difference between 5$ and 3.5$ per asset (assuming 30% rate), which is quite substantial.

Please share info before nomination deadline

Yes, this is taxable income just like any other payment into your contributor account. The actual rate you pay depends on your individual situation.

-Mat
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: spike on June 19, 2021, 11:59
Yes, this is taxable income just like any other payment into your contributor account. The actual rate you pay depends on your individual situation.

-Mat

Thank you, this makes it much less appealing.

Personally, 30% less for me (3.5$ per image) means that I won't be utilizing this opportunity.

I think that Adobe could have made it more clear in the description of the program. Not a lot of contributors will go to an obscure forum and read 10 pages of a thread to find that info. Not a good move.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: shutterview on June 19, 2021, 13:04
I agree with Spike. On average our earnings are reduced 10-15% (talking about non treaty countries contributors - receiving 30% less on US sales), because there is a mix of US and non US sales.
So this is one more reason not to participate, because these same files will see 10-15% deduction sold via regular channels instead of 30% participating in this. So, it is not 5$, it is 3.5$, plus taxes in our countries. I pay additional 20% in my country, which is 2.8$ then. Plus, transaction fees (ripped of by PayPal and Payoneer by 2-4%) which is additional, plus production costs, it is more like 2$ in the best case scenario, not 5$ :( This job is becoming unsustainable.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: wordplanet on June 19, 2021, 14:10
I took a quick look and it appears that photographs downloaded between 1 and 3 times are eligible - is that correct? (I have one that was downloaded 4x but has the nominate button too - guess it may've been downloaded recently).

How does nominating our images for this collection effect the required 150 downloads needed for the year to qualify for the free Adobe CC subscription?

I've had quite a few $3-4 downloads lately and one for $23 last month, so I'm on the fence, but it's nice that you've opened this up as it's an interesting option. May was a really good month for me Adobe, my best ever in fact, despite having not uploaded in months due to an unfortunate reaction to the Covid vaccine which has left me with terrible vertigo. Hoping with PT it will go away but it will probably take several months. So this is a more attractive offer than it would normally be.

Images may be eligible if they have had 4 or less downloads in the past 12 months. Your post is an emotional rollercoaster. Very pleased to see you had such a great May at Adobe Stock and I'm sorry to hear about your adverse reaction.

I hope you recover quickly!

Mat Hayward

Thanks Mat. Been missing the discussion on Discord. It was heartening to have a good May at Adobe when I spent most of it in bed. Be well.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: cascoly on June 19, 2021, 19:11
... Is the 5$ payment subject to withholding tax or not?

That's a difference between 5$ and 3.5$ per asset (assuming 30% rate), which is quite substantial.

Please share info before nomination deadline

that's between you and the IRS (insert other tax agency) - ALL income is subject to 'withholding' & no one pays 30% in the US

anyway , in the US, the highest rate is 24% and that's only for income over $80,000.(extremely low by international standards!!)  eg, it's only 12% for any income from $9,876 to $40,125 (10% for less than that).  So if you make $81,000 you're only paying 24% on $1,000
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: cascoly on June 19, 2021, 19:12
Yes, this is taxable income just like any other payment into your contributor account. The actual rate you pay depends on your individual situation.

-Mat

Thank you, this makes it much less appealing.

Personally, 30% less for me (3.5$ per image) means that I won't be utilizing this opportunity.

I think that Adobe could have made it more clear in the description of the program. Not a lot of contributors will go to an obscure forum and read 10 pages of a thread to find that info. Not a good move.

it's not up to AS to do your taxes
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: cascoly on June 19, 2021, 19:26
.....
Another factor: by selecting high quality images for the free section, you basically "teach" customers that also high quality images are available for free, so we're all lowering our own bars here and raising the customer expectation's bar. They already have their images dirt cheap, now they also have an increasingly growing number of quality images for free and that expectation is not gonna go away after one year.   ...


people are treating this as if it's either/or -- the trend of the market is clear and that's not going to change by your choice wrt the Adobe option - prices for these commodities will continue to decline, and 'free' will become more common no matter what you decide.  the real decision is whether to get something for low-performing images as income from microstock continues its trend downward. 
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: marthamarks on June 19, 2021, 20:49
Quote from: cascoly
the real decision is whether to get something for low-performing images as income from microstock continues its trend downward.

You make a very good point there, Steve.

When I look at the images AS has "nominated" from my portfolio, "low-performing" is a pretty accurate description of most of them.

I've decided to accept this offer, with just a few removed from the "nominees" list for personal reasons that have nothing to do with their "performance" in stock. In some cases, they were just so danged hard to get, or such remarkably lucky captures, that I really don't want to give them away, no matter how well they tend to "perform" on this one stock site or any others.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: spike on June 20, 2021, 00:27
no one pays 30% in the US

I love people who are so confident and so wrong at the same time

I'm a nonresident alien living in the USA and I definitely pay 30% withholding. Also, because there is no tax treaty between my home country and the US, I also need to pay taxes in my home country.

So, in total, it's more than 30%, and closer to 50%

But that's besides the point. You said that no one pays 30% in the US, and that's just wrong. You're welcome.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: spike on June 20, 2021, 00:31
it's not up to AS to do your taxes

Nobody said it's up to AS to do my taxes. But it is up to AS to inform the contributors if the licenses will be counted as US source income or not.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Dodie on June 20, 2021, 01:50
... Is the 5$ payment subject to withholding tax or not?

That's a difference between 5$ and 3.5$ per asset (assuming 30% rate), which is quite substantial.

Please share info before nomination deadline

that's between you and the IRS (insert other tax agency) - ALL income is subject to 'withholding' & no one pays 30% in the US

anyway , in the US, the highest rate is 24% and that's only for income over $80,000.(extremely low by international standards!!)  eg, it's only 12% for any income from $9,876 to $40,125 (10% for less than that).  So if you make $81,000 you're only paying 24% on $1,000
The question was for non US residents who are paying their taxes in their own country and are paying extra to the IRS.


It's not up to AS to do your taxes but it should be up to AS to provide a tax form for taxes payed (IRS) for images sold in the US. SS and other agencies do that in order to avoid double taxation.

This was a rightful question and it has nothing to do with how much taxes do Americans pay, who cares?
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: shutterview on June 20, 2021, 02:35
... Is the 5$ payment subject to withholding tax or not?

That's a difference between 5$ and 3.5$ per asset (assuming 30% rate), which is quite substantial.

Please share info before nomination deadline

that's between you and the IRS (insert other tax agency) - ALL income is subject to 'withholding' & no one pays 30% in the US

anyway , in the US, the highest rate is 24% and that's only for income over $80,000.(extremely low by international standards!!)  eg, it's only 12% for any income from $9,876 to $40,125 (10% for less than that).  So if you make $81,000 you're only paying 24% on $1,000
OMG, you are preaching about something you don't have slightest clue about. Don't make a fool of yourself. Every contributor coming from non treaty country is subject to withholding amount ranging from 10 - 30%, many of us 30%. It is additional pre tax withholding for every sale made in US.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Pauws99 on June 20, 2021, 04:01
No chance in hell I am going to ruin some of my bestsellers by offering them for free. If it's worth it for you, then good for you, take the offer. But for me it's a question of "Do you want 500$ for that image or 5$"? And that's not a hard choice for me. I have nominated a few images that don't sell well anywhere. In these cases 5$ is better than 0$. Doubt Adobe will pick them in the end. But I am not going to give away any image that sells regularly for me on other agencies for free for a meager 5$.

I don't know your port but I am convinced that $500 for an image these days is more like a fantasy even for the best contributors.
I am not for giving away anything for free but I understand that for a contributor with say 10k images caching in $1k upfront for 200 images that just sit there for many years is a good choice. In a few years, not so many, we will be proud and thankful if someone chooses them for free.

After all, nobody is forced to do anything they don't want to.
I would guess a fairly typical serious contributor would have around 3,000 images at $500 per annum they would be making $1.5m dollars ;-). Even $50 per image is a very high estimate for most  I would say.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Firn on June 20, 2021, 04:50
No chance in hell I am going to ruin some of my bestsellers by offering them for free. If it's worth it for you, then good for you, take the offer. But for me it's a question of "Do you want 500$ for that image or 5$"? And that's not a hard choice for me. I have nominated a few images that don't sell well anywhere. In these cases 5$ is better than 0$. Doubt Adobe will pick them in the end. But I am not going to give away any image that sells regularly for me on other agencies for free for a meager 5$.

I don't know your port but I am convinced that $500 for an image these days is more like a fantasy even for the best contributors.
I am not for giving away anything for free but I understand that for a contributor with say 10k images caching in $1k upfront for 200 images that just sit there for many years is a good choice. In a few years, not so many, we will be proud and thankful if someone chooses them for free.

After all, nobody is forced to do anything they don't want to.
I would guess a fairly typical serious contributor would have around 3,000 images at $500 per annum they would be making $1.5m dollars ;-). Even $50 per image is a very high estimate for most  I would say.

Before there is even more misunderstanding of what I wrote: I neither talked about havng individual sales for $500 per image, nor about having an average sale price of $500 per image per year in my port. I'd be indeed a millionaire if that was the case. I am, very abviously, not.
But I have some images in my ports that sell regularly and that, all sales and agencies combined, can earn me such sums within a year and Adobe has managed to select quite many of such images, just because they are the odd one out that fail to sell these images well for me. And, as said, there is no way in hell I am going to give away these images for 5$.

I hope that was phrased clear enough now. (Sorry, English is not my first language)
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Clair Voyant on June 20, 2021, 12:24
I love it when forum specialists rant on about the US taxation system on a forum that has nothing to do with the IRS.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: cascoly on June 20, 2021, 16:50
it's not up to AS to do your taxes

Nobody said it's up to AS to do my taxes. But it is up to AS to inform the contributors if the licenses will be counted as US source income or not.
AS doesnt know your situation, so it's your duty, not theirs
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: wds on June 20, 2021, 17:00
I love it when forum specialists rant on about the US taxation system on a forum that has nothing to do with the IRS.

...but it does:  Interested in Royalties for Stock
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: spike on June 21, 2021, 09:52
it's not up to AS to do your taxes

Nobody said it's up to AS to do my taxes. But it is up to AS to inform the contributors if the licenses will be counted as US source income or not.
AS doesnt know your situation, so it's your duty, not theirs

Lol.

No, it's their duty to tell me if a certain license is U.S. source income or not.

That's not something that I can find out on my own.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: GooDween on June 22, 2021, 06:42
Can't find  was there an answer on question about, how free downloads affects image search rank?
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Reckless on June 22, 2021, 21:12
Tomorrow is the big day! I cleared out a corner in my closet to stack the five dollar bills in. If it's too small I will just shove them under the bed until I can get to them. Good Luck everybody!
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Sean Locke Photography on June 22, 2021, 21:45
I hope it’s quick.  I have a big Home Depot bill, lol.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: marthamarks on June 22, 2021, 22:22
Tomorrow is the big day! I cleared out a corner in my closet to stack the five dollar bills in.

LOL!!
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: qunamax on June 23, 2021, 06:11
Nothing's happening, where's my money?  8)
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: stockyme on June 23, 2021, 06:29
Please update as soon as someone gets their funds....  :-X
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Ukko on June 23, 2021, 07:00
Any minute now an armored van will pull up in front of my house and bring me a bag of money from Adobe, lol...  ;D
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: stockyme on June 23, 2021, 07:54
Any minute now an armored van will pull up in front of my house and bring me a bag of money from Adobe, lol...  ;D

I just wish to get it all in one go without armored van, I will pick it myself but I need them altogether...
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: qunamax on June 23, 2021, 16:18
The banner is gone.

edit: And files are listed as under review.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: marthamarks on June 23, 2021, 20:34
I have a sneaky feeling that Mat is laughing at us right now.

Either that, or he's rolling his eyes waaaay back into his skull.

Or, even more likely, he's deep in his 3rd or 4th beer of the evening and couldn't care less what we mumble and grumble about here.

Whichever it is, Mat, please know that we do appreciate you 'round these parts!
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: qunamax on June 24, 2021, 06:06
I have a sneaky feeling that Mat is laughing at us right now.

Either that, or he's rolling his eyes waaaay back into his skull.

Or, even more likely, he's deep in his 3rd or 4th beer of the evening and couldn't care less what we mumble and grumble about here.

Whichever it is, Mat, please know that we do appreciate you 'round these parts!

I just hope he doesn't drive that armored van after all those beers.  :D
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on June 24, 2021, 09:15
The banner is gone...

The "Eligible for free collection" checkbox on the dashboard isn't - they apparently forgot to remove that :) The nominate slider is gone on the supposedly eligible images though.

As they aren't updating what's eligible/not eligible (as images have made sales that would qualify or disqualify them through the period this offer was live, they didn't add/remove them).

Mat, perhaps you could call a clean-up crew to remove the check box?
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MatHayward on June 24, 2021, 09:46
The banner is gone...

The "Eligible for free collection" checkbox on the dashboard isn't - they apparently forgot to remove that :) The nominate slider is gone on the supposedly eligible images though.

As they aren't updating what's eligible/not eligible (as images have made sales that would qualify or disqualify them through the period this offer was live, they didn't add/remove them).

Mat, perhaps you could call a clean-up crew to remove the check box?

Thanks for the input. The filter for nominated assets remains in place by design. This way you can still see what is currently nominated. After the first selection is complete for the free collection (in the next week or two), you will also be able to filter and see only images in the free collection vs. paid. The images that are not approved in this initial round will continue to have the "in review" indicator in the dashboard as the approval process will be ongoing through the summer. The approvals will happen incrementally to make sure that we don't add too much content at any given time.

thanks again,

Mat
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: PhotoBomb on June 24, 2021, 10:32
Mat,

Something that's not clear - and should have been made very clear at the outset.
Will there be a link / page customers can click on that will show all the free images by a given artist?

Previous posts have show a free images page by certain artists. That, I think, would have been a deal breaker for most people if it had been stated up front. If this the case I'll be very disappointed in Adobe for not disclosing that information.

EDIT:

Actually I think I just answered my own question. I see in Gorodenkoff's gallery the images are interspersed throughout his main portfolio, not sure I like this. Unfortunately I was traveling when this first occurred to me and didn't get the chance to really think It over. I probably would have opted out. Sucks for me I guess.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on June 24, 2021, 12:11
If you look at my earlier links you can see that from a portfolio page for any artist, you can select the "Free" versus "All" item from the drop down list to look at just the free works.

https://www.microstockgroup.com/fotolia-com/adobe-stock-upfront-royalty-payment-opportunity/msg564934/#msg564934 (https://www.microstockgroup.com/fotolia-com/adobe-stock-upfront-royalty-payment-opportunity/msg564934/#msg564934)
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: PhotoBomb on June 24, 2021, 15:06
If you look at my earlier links you can see that from a portfolio page for any artist, you can select the "Free" versus "All" item from the drop down list to look at just the free works.

https://www.microstockgroup.com/fotolia-com/adobe-stock-upfront-royalty-payment-opportunity/msg564934/#msg564934 (https://www.microstockgroup.com/fotolia-com/adobe-stock-upfront-royalty-payment-opportunity/msg564934/#msg564934)

Thanks Jo Ann
My bad for not catching that.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MadPhotos on June 25, 2021, 05:19
The banner is gone...

The "Eligible for free collection" checkbox on the dashboard isn't - they apparently forgot to remove that :) The nominate slider is gone on the supposedly eligible images though.

As they aren't updating what's eligible/not eligible (as images have made sales that would qualify or disqualify them through the period this offer was live, they didn't add/remove them).

Mat, perhaps you could call a clean-up crew to remove the check box?

Thanks for the input. The filter for nominated assets remains in place by design. This way you can still see what is currently nominated. After the first selection is complete for the free collection (in the next week or two), you will also be able to filter and see only images in the free collection vs. paid. The images that are not approved in this initial round will continue to have the "in review" indicator in the dashboard as the approval process will be ongoing through the summer. The approvals will happen incrementally to make sure that we don't add too much content at any given time.

thanks again,

Mat

That raises a question for me that i don't believe was addressed here yet.

 Are the nominated photos while in "review" still sell as a paid ones for contributor? And if that so what about 4 or less downloads in last 12 months rule? What if while in review they will sell more than 4 times? Will they be removed from nomination/review state ??

I think its very important as if we wasent paid for it yet they dont belong to Adobe free collection, basicly agreement isnt validated yet.



Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Dodie on June 25, 2021, 06:58
Thanks for the input. The filter for nominated assets remains in place by design. This way you can still see what is currently nominated. After the first selection is complete for the free collection (in the next week or two), you will also be able to filter and see only images in the free collection vs. paid. The images that are not approved in this initial round will continue to have the "in review" indicator in the dashboard as the approval process will be ongoing through the summer. The approvals will happen incrementally to make sure that we don't add too much content at any given time.

thanks again,

Mat

That raises a question for me that i don't believe was addressed here yet.

 Are the nominated photos while in "review" still sell as a paid ones for contributor? And if that so what about 4 or less downloads in last 12 months rule? What if while in review they will sell more than 4 times? Will they be removed from nomination/review state ??

I think its very important as if we wasent paid for it yet they dont belong to Adobe free collection, basicly agreement isnt validated yet.

I think this answers your first question:
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Yes. Your nominated Adobe Stock asset will remain available for licensing in the paid collection unless and until it is approved and moved to the free collection.
https://helpx.adobe.com/stock/contributor/help/free-collection-contributor-information.html (https://helpx.adobe.com/stock/contributor/help/free-collection-contributor-information.html)

That with more than 4 sales is not a hard and fast rule, IMO. I don't see any disadvantage in an image  being sold while waiting, if you nominated it for free anyway.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MadPhotos on June 25, 2021, 09:01
Thanks for the input. The filter for nominated assets remains in place by design. This way you can still see what is currently nominated. After the first selection is complete for the free collection (in the next week or two), you will also be able to filter and see only images in the free collection vs. paid. The images that are not approved in this initial round will continue to have the "in review" indicator in the dashboard as the approval process will be ongoing through the summer. The approvals will happen incrementally to make sure that we don't add too much content at any given time.

thanks again,

Mat

That raises a question for me that i don't believe was addressed here yet.

 Are the nominated photos while in "review" still sell as a paid ones for contributor? And if that so what about 4 or less downloads in last 12 months rule? What if while in review they will sell more than 4 times? Will they be removed from nomination/review state ??

I think its very important as if we wasent paid for it yet they dont belong to Adobe free collection, basicly agreement isnt validated yet.

I think this answers your first question:
Quote
Yes. Your nominated Adobe Stock asset will remain available for licensing in the paid collection unless and until it is approved and moved to the free collection.
https://helpx.adobe.com/stock/contributor/help/free-collection-contributor-information.html (https://helpx.adobe.com/stock/contributor/help/free-collection-contributor-information.html)

That with more than 4 sales is not a hard and fast rule, IMO. I don't see any disadvantage in an image  being sold while waiting, if you nominated it for free anyway.

First quote is about nominations but dosnt clear up if photos that are now in review or stay like this for months will sell normaly till approved. Im guessing they should but recently in stock nothing is like it should.

About 4 sales rule it does make a difference as many summer assets start to sell again and in one month brings much more than 5$ per 12months.

Im not discusing if its fair or not but if we had any detailed info about it. That way if nominations come again for new photos or videos we know everything behind process before agree again.

The problem is not if nomination sell during review time but if they dont sell. They should sale as long they not directly to download in free collection.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Dumc on June 25, 2021, 10:40
My opinion is, that on the 23th of June, when files were "locked", all files with less than 4 dl's  will count as "less than 4 downloads", even if they are downloaded while waiting for review.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Firn on June 25, 2021, 12:18

About 4 sales rule it does make a difference as many summer assets start to sell again and in one month brings much more than 5$ per 12months.


And you were not able to consider this when you had the option to pick which photos to offer Adobe for 5$ until 2 days ago?   ???

If you had any images in your port where you expected sales to really take off during summer, you probably should not have checked the box that allowed Adobe to pick the image for the free collection.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Clair Voyant on June 25, 2021, 13:02
It's interesting to note one of the images Adobe wanted to give me $5 for so the freeloaders can have it free sold this week 2X 0.99c and 1X $3.30... You do the math... and it previously had 4 sales so far this year.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: farbled on June 25, 2021, 14:15
It's interesting to note one of the images Adobe wanted to give me $5 for so the freeloaders can have it free sold this week 2X 0.99c and 1X $3.30... You do the math... and it previously had 4 sales so far this year.
Lol, I made 4 bucks on instant pay for a picture of a half eaten hotdog (my lunch that day) that took ten seconds back in 2006 and has never sold anywhere for anything.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MadPhotos on June 25, 2021, 14:24

About 4 sales rule it does make a difference as many summer assets start to sell again and in one month brings much more than 5$ per 12months.


And you were not able to consider this when you had the option to pick which photos to offer Adobe for 5$ until 2 days ago?   ???

If you had any images in your port where you expected sales to really take off during summer, you probably should not have checked the box that allowed Adobe to pick the image for the free collection.

And you were not able to consider to read the question before answering? Its not your busines what i did or did not and even more im not iterested in your opinion with attitude of all know someone without answer.

If you have crystal ball and know what will sell good for you. Question was simple and obviously you arent the person that can answer it unless you work for Adobe.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Sean Locke Photography on June 28, 2021, 09:36
Any idea when all of this will start moving?
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Dumc on June 28, 2021, 09:40
It probably already is. Mat said they will be rolling this through the whole summer, so I think, it can take month or two, before any of our images are selected - if any, of course. Also, they will have to go through 10s of thousands of images, so it will take a while.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on June 28, 2021, 09:44
Looking at the total in the Free collection (visible to buyers; no idea what's going on behind the scenes) it's the same this morning as it was on Friday.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MatHayward on June 28, 2021, 09:51
Any idea when all of this will start moving?

The initial round of approvals is happening this week. The process will continue through the summer in waves.

Thank you, good luck!

Mat Hayward
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Sean Locke Photography on June 28, 2021, 14:49
Cool, so maybe some payments next week :)
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: shutterview on June 29, 2021, 04:25
Good point
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: HalfFull on June 30, 2021, 01:36
Will payments come through individually as they're reviewed or a lump sum?
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MadPhotos on June 30, 2021, 04:31
Will payments come through individually as they're reviewed or a lump sum?

Pretty sure individualy, if they pick 5 of 1000 nominated you propably gonna see five 5$ sales for picked photos like you see regular sales.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: GrayMouse on June 30, 2021, 06:20
Did anyone get some approved photos?
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Uncle Pete on June 30, 2021, 09:40
Did anyone get some approved photos?

LOL I predict that will be the next negative, I'm offended, thread "how could they miss my images, I got nothing approved!" Of course the people who rejected the plan will have nothing to complain about, they didn't participate. No fear of rejection, it's an automatic, opt out.

So if I clicked everything with no sales, ever, and no sales anywhere else, why would Adobe suddenly think MY images were valuable enough to give away as free examples of the quality, to attract new buyers? I think there's a logical contradiction in that. But I still selected a bunch, because $5 is much more than they got for me so far in over 10 years?

Always remember:
(https://i.postimg.cc/s20QTtvQ/try_not_to_suck.jpg)
If I don't like it, I can go watch the Sunset and have a beer.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: GrayMouse on June 30, 2021, 10:58
Did anyone get some approved photos?

LOL I predict that will be the next negative, I'm offended, thread "how could they miss my images, I got nothing approved!" Of course the people who rejected the plan will have nothing to complain about, they didn't participate. No fear of rejection, it's an automatic, opt out.

So if I clicked everything with no sales, ever, and no sales anywhere else, why would Adobe suddenly think MY images were valuable enough to give away as free examples of the quality, to attract new buyers? I think there's a logical contradiction in that. But I still selected a bunch, because $5 is much more than they got for me so far in over 10 years?

Always remember:
If I don't like it, I can go watch the Sunset and have a beer.

My question is simple and ordinary. Nothing negative. I was expecting simple answer (yes or no).
People who see a negativity somewhere where it is not are having quite depressing life.

Anyway, my quiestion is still valid :)
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: deflet on June 30, 2021, 11:08
Did anyone get some approved photos?

LOL I predict that will be the next negative, I'm offended, thread "how could they miss my images, I got nothing approved!" Of course the people who rejected the plan will have nothing to complain about, they didn't participate. No fear of rejection, it's an automatic, opt out.

So if I clicked everything with no sales, ever, and no sales anywhere else, why would Adobe suddenly think MY images were valuable enough to give away as free examples of the quality, to attract new buyers? I think there's a logical contradiction in that. But I still selected a bunch, because $5 is much more than they got for me so far in over 10 years?

Always remember:
If I don't like it, I can go watch the Sunset and have a beer.

My question is simple and ordinary. Nothing negative. I was expecting simple answer (yes or no).
People who see a negativity somewhere where it is not are having quite depressing life.

Anyway, my quiestion is still valid :)



I agree, this offer was an option available to us. After all, AS exists to make money, you either participate or you don't. You are free.



No, there are no events yet.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: DaveNelson on June 30, 2021, 12:37
Patiently waiting...
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Ukko on June 30, 2021, 13:48
I've been tapping F5 on my AS dashboard for a week now - still nothing. I can't wait much longer, I have cows to milk and pigs to feed!  :D
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Sean Locke Photography on June 30, 2021, 13:51
I've been tapping F5 on my AS dashboard for a week now - still nothing. I can't wait much longer, I have cows to milk and pigs to feed!  :D

Just don't get that backwards.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: stocky on June 30, 2021, 14:27
Did anyone get some approved photos?

Couple of dozen now Free (out of thousands Eligible).
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MatHayward on June 30, 2021, 15:00
Will payments come through individually as they're reviewed or a lump sum?

The payment will be added to your account in one lump sum each time a batch is selected. If, for example you had 100 approved files, you will see your balance increase by $500. I expect this will be happening within the next 24 hours so take note of your balance right now. You should also see an email with the number of photos approved if any and the amound of money added into your account.

Good luck everyone!

Mat Hayward
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Sean Locke Photography on June 30, 2021, 15:21
Thanks for the update!  Have a good holiday weekend :)
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on June 30, 2021, 17:26
The numbers in the Free collection have shot up today. It appears almost all in photos.

Total (all asset types) is now 316,836 of which 273,478 are photos and 23,830 are vectors.

Compare that to June 1 when the Free collection totaled 78,381 with 52,456 photos and 14,990 vectors.

Just doing some test searches shows many more have free content than did before this intake - it'll be interesting to see how badly this hits sales for similar paid content (I know the party line that it won't, but I'm too old to buy that yarn)
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MatHayward on June 30, 2021, 17:45
The numbers in the Free collection have shot up today. It appears almost all in photos.

Total (all asset types) is now 316,836 of which 273,478 are photos and 23,830 are vectors.

Compare that to June 1 when the Free collection totaled 78,381 with 52,456 photos and 14,990 vectors.

Just doing some test searches shows many more have free content than did before this intake - it'll be interesting to see how badly this hits sales for similar paid content (I know the party line that it won't, but I'm too old to buy that yarn)

I just got word that the first batch of approvals are complete. The approved photos have been transferred and the payments will be added into your accounts by tomorrow at the latest.

Thanks everyone for your feedback and participation! Remember, this is just the first wave of approvals. We need to monitor the collection to make sure we maintain the balance so we are attracting new customers and increasing sales with the free collection. This is extremely important to us. To do so, the approval process must be incremental. I'll be sure to keep this thread updated as new information comes my way.

Thanks again,

Mat Hayward
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: GrayMouse on June 30, 2021, 18:46
I see I have some photos in free collection, so I'm looking forward to get some extra money :) It is quite nice deal.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Dumc on June 30, 2021, 19:02
OK

I used this link https://stock.adobe.com/search/free?creator_id=200571845 and changed that ID number with my contributor ID number, it shows 17 photos in free, I'm not sure though, if this is correct.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Sean Locke Photography on June 30, 2021, 19:56
Ouch, 74 out of 2500.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Year of the Dog on June 30, 2021, 21:30
I just reviewed the content Adobe suggests I nominate... My conclusion taking everything into consideration is that this offer is only shooting yourself in the foot. Stepping over dollars to pick up pennies.


Not all as simple as you are making it. In my case, I nominated images with no sales, it wasn't complicated or difficult to decide. If accepted that's more than the zero they have brought me in the past.

Watch for more to be following this idea, which is very similar to Instant Pay. "trending now..." free images to attract buyers.  :-\
For me it is not even that simple. Many of my nominated images with no sales are similars that have never made it through - because other pictures from the series have. Once the one with no sales starts being offered for free, it will kill the whole series. So, be careful, look at your nominated no sellers, if they are part of a series that otherwise sells well.

Your similar don't kill a series but one for free will?
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Phototom on July 01, 2021, 01:47
Sorry Mat, is this a joke - only about 70 photos out of 2500 in the free section! I feel deceived!  >:(
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: trabuco on July 01, 2021, 01:52
Just my best seller. LOL.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Phototom on July 01, 2021, 01:55
No, not my best seller  ;)
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: trabuco on July 01, 2021, 01:58
Talking about mine.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Dumc on July 01, 2021, 02:00
I got 17 out of 600, so the ratio is similar
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Dodie on July 01, 2021, 04:45
Did they pay you already for the images that are accepted in the free collection?

I see there is a new button: "Filter by Price Tier", that shows the free images.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: cristianstorto on July 01, 2021, 04:53
Hi Mat, are the batches of each individual user examined or is the review done by file number?
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Sean Locke Photography on July 01, 2021, 08:16
Did they pay you already for the images that are accepted in the free collection?

I see there is a new button: "Filter by Price Tier", that shows the free images.

No payment yet.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Dodie on July 01, 2021, 08:20
Did they pay you already for the images that are accepted in the free collection?

I see there is a new button: "Filter by Price Tier", that shows the free images.

No payment yet.
Thanks.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Clair Voyant on July 01, 2021, 09:23
It's really hard to believe that so many people are so excited about getting $5 for an image that will be free for a whole year. Tres bizarre. Even more bizarre one of the so called top microstock photographers is lining up at the trough for this. Times must be very tough indeed.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MadPhotos on July 01, 2021, 09:24
Did they pay you already for the images that are accepted in the free collection?

I see there is a new button: "Filter by Price Tier", that shows the free images.

No payment yet.

Thats the fun part no payment yet photos available for download... Is that how it works on Adobe ? I use photos first and pay when i want to?
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MatHayward on July 01, 2021, 09:24
Did they pay you already for the images that are accepted in the free collection?

I see there is a new button: "Filter by Price Tier", that shows the free images.

No payment yet.

I'm told that payments are being processed now. They should be done by 1PM pst.

As a reminder, this is only the first wave of approvals. We need to do this carefully and in small increments to ensure the Free collection provides depth in search results but not breadth. This process will be ongoing until the end of September.

Thank you,

Mat Hayward
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: qunamax on July 01, 2021, 09:26
Ouch, 74 out of 2500.
Ouch? 4 out of 200  ::)
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Dodie on July 01, 2021, 10:27
It's really hard to believe that so many people are so excited about getting $5 for an image that will be free for a whole year. Tres bizarre. Even more bizarre one of the so called top microstock photographers is lining up at the trough for this. Times must be very tough indeed.
You have about 10 comments in this thread, all of them treating others like they would commit a crime.
Why is it so hard to understand that everyone is free to decide for himself?

We got your point but you can't force people to do things your way, by no means can you pick on someone and judge him for his decision.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: shutterview on July 01, 2021, 11:28
It's really hard to believe that so many people are so excited about getting $5 for an image that will be free for a whole year. Tres bizarre. Even more bizarre one of the so called top microstock photographers is lining up at the trough for this. Times must be very tough indeed.
Believe it or not, I wrote exact same post few days ago (I writes "Good point" now, I erased it).
Why did I erase it?
Well, after some thinking i realized that I don't want to be that harsh on people, even anonymously. Mind your own business, I said to myself. And that guy, you are calling out, who knows what he is going through in his life. We don't have right to judge people that way.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: GrayMouse on July 01, 2021, 11:39
It's really hard to believe that so many people are so excited about getting $5 for an image that will be free for a whole year. Tres bizarre. Even more bizarre one of the so called top microstock photographers is lining up at the trough for this. Times must be very tough indeed.
People are expecting to get what they saw, quite lots of money. There was written something like you CAN get up to 3000 USD.
And now? Accepted few images. On the other hand, everything negative is positive for something else.
As I mentioned, it is quite nice deal, small one ;)
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Dumc on July 01, 2021, 12:35
Ok, cash money arrived here, 85€
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Dumc on July 01, 2021, 12:44
Ok, so I went and checked how much I've earned with selected 17 files in the last year (1st July 2020 till 1s July 2021), it was exactly 10.24€. And that was with 5 files, the rest 12 were not sold once.

But I guess having them for sale and not earning anything is still better than offering them for "free" (free = 5€ for each file)
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: WD3 Photography on July 01, 2021, 13:09
I've had 2 photos approved for the Free Price Tier so far.

I was told that I had 168 images eligible for the free collection.

I hope this doesn't turn into a damp squib!
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: eyewave on July 01, 2021, 13:29
Not a single image approved out of more than 1250 that were eligible.
Maybe I should be happy…

ETA: I didn't count but think I selected less than the half.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: qunamax on July 01, 2021, 13:55
Deep down I knew it's gonna be like this, we'll probably have a few more waves of these small approvals till September and in the end it's not going to even come close to the amounts we were told we could reach. It's not a bad deal, but the max estimated amounts were quite bait-ish.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: stocky on July 01, 2021, 14:01
Ouch, 74 out of 2500.
Ouch? 4 out of 200  ::)

4% selected, payment received.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Sean Locke Photography on July 01, 2021, 14:13
Deep down I knew it's gonna be like this, we'll probably have a few more waves of these small approvals till September and in the end it's not going to even come close to the amounts we were told we could reach. It's not a bad deal, but the max estimated amounts were quite bait-ish.

Yeah, I have to agree on that one.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MatHayward on July 01, 2021, 15:08
I can't speak to the volume of upcoming additions though I expect more to be approved. I've been informed that all payments have been added now. Feel free to let us know if you have any questions.

Thanks for all of your feedback and participation.

-Mat Hayward
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: melastmohican on July 01, 2021, 15:17
Deep down I knew it's gonna be like this, we'll probably have a few more waves of these small approvals till September and in the end it's not going to even come close to the amounts we were told we could reach. It's not a bad deal, but the max estimated amounts were quite bait-ish.

That's why it is going in batches, to collect data to back up the claim that free content is improving contributor's sales. If the result turns out to be different the whole experiment can be stopped before too much money is spent. You can have a cake and eat it :-)
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: cascoly on July 01, 2021, 16:03
30 of 2000 here so far - payment made
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: hatman12 on July 01, 2021, 17:30
$420 added to my account today.  Thank you very much Mat and Adobe.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: dbvirago on July 01, 2021, 17:40
I can't speak to the volume of upcoming additions though I expect more to be approved. I've been informed that all payments have been added now. Feel free to let us know if you have any questions.

Thanks for all of your feedback and participation.

-Mat Hayward

Mat, just an FYI an email went out after the payment that says, "We’ve added an upfront payment of US$  to your overall earnings balance."

I assume, an amount was intended to be included. Thanks for this.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: marthamarks on July 01, 2021, 17:41
I got a notice that 20 of mine were accepted, and now my account shows $100 over my sales earnings for the month.

None of those I "nominated" were big hits for me — and I did remove several personal favorites that I didn't want to see sold for free even if they were never going to be $$$ sellers — so it's hard for me to see any downside.

Thanks, Mat. I'm perfectly okay with this!
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MatHayward on July 01, 2021, 17:43
I can't speak to the volume of upcoming additions though I expect more to be approved. I've been informed that all payments have been added now. Feel free to let us know if you have any questions.

Thanks for all of your feedback and participation.

-Mat Hayward

Mat, just an FYI an email went out after the payment that says, "We’ve added an upfront payment of US$  to your overall earnings balance."

I assume, an amount was intended to be included. Thanks for this.

Thanks for the report, we are aware. Sorry for the mistake. I'm not sure if we will be sending a revised email with the payment amount included. To determine the amount you received, take the number of approved photos and multiply by 5.

Thanks again,

Mat Hayward
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: dbvirago on July 01, 2021, 18:27
I can't speak to the volume of upcoming additions though I expect more to be approved. I've been informed that all payments have been added now. Feel free to let us know if you have any questions.

Thanks for all of your feedback and participation.

-Mat Hayward

No prob. I backed into the number a different way before the email. Looking forward to more.

Thanks, Mat
Mat, just an FYI an email went out after the payment that says, "We’ve added an upfront payment of US$  to your overall earnings balance."

I assume, an amount was intended to be included. Thanks for this.

Thanks for the report, we are aware. Sorry for the mistake. I'm not sure if we will be sending a revised email with the payment amount included. To determine the amount you received, take the number of approved photos and multiply by 5.

Thanks again,

Mat Hayward
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Hildegarde on July 01, 2021, 19:52
Quote
No one is selling their best photos. Read Mat's post again: "We will not be accepting any images that received more than 4 downloads in the past 12 months".

Yes, they are accepting images with more than 4 downloads. I had many with over 200 downloads as eligible.  Of course did not nominate them but the whole no more than 4 downloads was wildly inaccurate in the ones that AS made eligible in mine.

Adobe has certain clients and subjects that sell more than others.  One whole area of my photographs does not sell on AS much but DOES sell very well elsewhere.  Always been sad to see one of my main areas of photos just does not sell on AS but I still keep on because they do sell well elsewhere.  Just weird to see AS just does not have those clients.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MatHayward on July 01, 2021, 23:04
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No one is selling their best photos. Read Mat's post again: "We will not be accepting any images that received more than 4 downloads in the past 12 months".

Yes, they are accepting images with more than 4 downloads. I had many with over 200 downloads as eligible.  Of course did not nominate them but the whole no more than 4 downloads was wildly inaccurate in the ones that AS made eligible in mine.

Adobe has certain clients and subjects that sell more than others.  One whole area of my photographs does not sell on AS much but DOES sell very well elsewhere.  Always been sad to see one of my main areas of photos just does not sell on AS but I still keep on because they do sell well elsewhere.  Just weird to see AS just does not have those clients.

Hi @Hildegarde,

The criteria was less than 4 downloads in the past 12 months. If you had an eligible file with more than 200 downloads, it is likely the majority of those downloads happened more than a year ago.

Thanks,

Mat
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: [email protected] on July 02, 2021, 00:23
Will payments come through individually as they're reviewed or a lump sum?

The payment will be added to your account in one lump sum each time a batch is selected. If, for example you had 100 approved files, you will see your balance increase by $500. I expect this will be happening within the next 24 hours so take note of your balance right now. You should also see an email with the number of photos approved if any and the amound of money added into your account.

Good luck everyone!
I want to know when the second batch of audits will start, haha

Mat Hayward
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: [email protected] on July 02, 2021, 00:24
Will payments come through individually as they're reviewed or a lump sum?

The payment will be added to your account in one lump sum each time a batch is selected. If, for example you had 100 approved files, you will see your balance increase by $500. I expect this will be happening within the next 24 hours so take note of your balance right now. You should also see an email with the number of photos approved if any and the amound of money added into your account.


Good luck everyone!
I want to know when the second batch of audits will start, haha

Mat Hayward
I want to know when the second batch of audits will start, hahaI want to know when the second batch of audits will start, hahaI want to know when the second batch of audits will start, hahaI want to know when the second batch of audits will start, hahaI want to know when the second batch of audits will start, hahaI want to know when the second batch of audits will start, hahaI want to know when the second batch of audits will start, haha
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: PZF on July 02, 2021, 01:56
4 out of few hundred. I only nominated - as far as possible - feeble sellers. But still.

I guess we all knew they'd only take a few and the free collection will still undermine sales everywhere.

Sigh.

I guess we can't get (all) out of this scheme for a year?
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: aphasia on July 02, 2021, 02:15
Will go for the Adobe deal next time!
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Firn on July 02, 2021, 02:38
Shutterstock ...

It seems you missed the part where you signed a NDA that legally forbids you to talk about this.  ???
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MadPhotos on July 02, 2021, 04:34
Hi Mat
Would be great to know what's the plan with next review waves. In what frequency they are planed to be done and approximately how many more is scheduled. I think everyone want to know what to expect next and for many it's grate crash injection during that time. Can we know what is the plan for next month? Can we expect anything more this month or next turn will be made next month?
Thanks
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MadPhotos on July 02, 2021, 04:44
I've had 2 photos approved for the Free Price Tier so far.

I was told that I had 168 images eligible for the free collection.

I hope this doesn't turn into a damp squib!

Don't expect too much. Nominations were done by system not humans, most likly by count of views on each photo. Actual review was done by moderators that judge if photos are worth upfront $5 for Adobe. I think some photos could be more valuable even for Adobe to stay with contributor as have more potential for future sales. Free photos work as a advertisement of simlar photos on contributor profile so it's better to pick less attractive version of that theme.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: shutterview on July 02, 2021, 04:47
good point.....
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: beketoff on July 02, 2021, 05:03
"We are sending this email to let you know that we’ve accepted 1 asset(s) you nominated for the Adobe Stock free collection. Congratulations! We’ve added an upfront payment of US$  to your overall earnings balance."

Oh, thanks so much. 1 approved photo out of 500 and for as much as a whooping US$ (I guess it's 5$?). Alright, next please.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: shutterview on July 02, 2021, 05:42
Good point......
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Dumc on July 02, 2021, 06:00
Good point......

I've read your post before you deleted it.

I sure wasn't expecting to earn hundreds of dollars. I just saw this as a little bit of extra income from images that dont sell. And getting 85€ (I know that isn't a lot of money for some people) from 17 images, that earned me 10€ in the last year, I'd say that's a good deal.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: shutterview on July 02, 2021, 06:39
I know, a bit extreme view, so I deleted it, just didn't want to get involved. I understand you, no hard feelings.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: offisapup on July 02, 2021, 07:52
Shutterstock pay upfront also, I was offered just under $2000 for around 1000 of my images. I declined as the difference with Shutterstock is you give them away FOREVER not just the 12 months Adobe offer. Shutterstock also choose the images.

It seems you missed the part where you signed a NDA that legally forbids you to talk about this.  ???

I'm glad he did. Now some of us who didn't receive this "exciting" email know what it is. Something SS wants to keep under wraps and makes it look much poorer and shadier in comparison to other agencies who are at least more honest and upfront about making such deals.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Reimar on July 02, 2021, 08:02
Shutterstock pay upfront also, I was offered just under $2000 for around 1000 of my images. I declined as the difference with Shutterstock is you give them away FOREVER not just the 12 months Adobe offer. Shutterstock also choose the images.

It seems you missed the part where you signed a NDA that legally forbids you to talk about this.  ???

I'm glad he did. Now some of us who didn't receive this "exciting" email know what it is. Something SS wants to keep under wraps and makes it look much poorer and shadier in comparison to other agencies who are at least more honest and upfront about making such deals.

If I were SS, I'd be embarrassed to offer their kind of "deal" too.  With the secrecy, they are more likely to suck in more victims.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MatHayward on July 02, 2021, 11:50
Hi Mat
Would be great to know what's the plan with next review waves. In what frequency they are planed to be done and approximately how many more is scheduled. I think everyone want to know what to expect next and for many it's grate crash injection during that time. Can we know what is the plan for next month? Can we expect anything more this month or next turn will be made next month?
Thanks

As I get more information, I'll be sure to update everyone here. Right now, we need to evaluate the impact of the most recent changes and gauge where adjustements are needed. This will be an ongoing process between now and September 30 and will take some time. I don't expect to have any updates for the next several weeks. As an FYI, in the US, Adobe shuts down for the week to celebrate the Independence Day holiday. I'm sure I'll be popping in here from time to time but I do not expect any updates during the shutdown. 

Thanks everyone,

Mat Hayward
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: wordplanet on July 02, 2021, 12:54
I only nominated 23 of 85 possibilities, they chose 2 so far, but many of the nominees were older autumn and Christmas-themed images that haven't sold in a while. Hoping more will be chosen by September. I didn't expect a big cash infusion since I chose so few. In retrospect, it would've made sense to choose a lot more if I wanted any kind of meaningful cash infusion.

I've seen a nice uptick in sales on Adobe the past couple of months, including more single sales in the $3-20 range rather than the more common 99 cents per download, so I was reluctant to settle for $5 for images I felt had potential. Only time will tell if I made the right choice but without nominating a large selection, the earnings are really nominal, so I'm thinking maybe I should have taken a chance with more of them.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Zero Talent on July 02, 2021, 21:16
At the end of the day, this is not a good deal for us.

Many of my proposed photos gathered much more than $5 elsewhere, while AS didn't do a good job in promoting them.
Since everybody jumped this opportunity, it didn't make sense for me to sit on the bench and watch everybody else selling themselves short. So, I submitted a couple of dozens of photos, out of the several hundred requested by AS.

I am now happy to see that only a negligible amount has been selected.

I can only hope that this free collection initiative will be a big financial failure and a tough lesson to be learnt by AS!
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Hildegarde on July 02, 2021, 23:09
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The criteria was less than 4 downloads in the past 12 months. If you had an eligible file with more than 200 downloads, it is likely the majority of those downloads happened more than a year ago.
Thanks,
Mat

Mat, no not more than a year ago.  I had my bestsellers marked as eligible!!!  Ones that sell daily-weekly.  Of course I did not nominate them and never will but the a LOT of mine that were downloaded a lot more than 4 were in my eligible list-- it looked like system picked all mine down to a few sales. 
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MatHayward on July 03, 2021, 00:01
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The criteria was less than 4 downloads in the past 12 months. If you had an eligible file with more than 200 downloads, it is likely the majority of those downloads happened more than a year ago.
Thanks,
Mat

Mat, no not more than a year ago.  I had my bestsellers marked as eligible!!!  Ones that sell daily-weekly.  Of course I did not nominate them and never will but the a LOT of mine that were downloaded a lot more than 4 were in my eligible list-- it looked like system picked all mine down to a few sales.

Thanks for the report. Please provide me with image numbers and I will look into it when I'm back next week.

Kind regards,

Mat Hayward
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: WD3 Photography on July 03, 2021, 01:10
I've had this message (below) from Adobe Stock last night. I'm not sure what 10 credits means.

CORRECTED: You have assets accepted for the free collection

We are sending this email to let you know that we’ve accepted 2 asset(s) you nominated for the Adobe Stock free collection. Congratulations! We’ve added an upfront payment of 10 credits to your account. (Please note, that there won't be an itemized entry for the free assets.)

We’re still reviewing all nominated assets for the free collection. We may still accept additional nominated assets until September 30. If we accept more of your assets, you'll receive another notification and payment.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: shutterview on July 03, 2021, 03:07
I've had this message (below) from Adobe Stock last night. I'm not sure what 10 credits means.

CORRECTED: You have assets accepted for the free collection

We are sending this email to let you know that we’ve accepted 2 asset(s) you nominated for the Adobe Stock free collection. Congratulations! We’ve added an upfront payment of 10 credits to your account. (Please note, that there won't be an itemized entry for the free assets.)

We’re still reviewing all nominated assets for the free collection. We may still accept additional nominated assets until September 30. If we accept more of your assets, you'll receive another notification and payment.
Credit is 1 euro or dollar, depending on where and how you are registered.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: cascoly on July 03, 2021, 16:50
At the end of the day, this is not a good deal for us.

Many of my proposed photos gathered much more than $5 elsewhere, while AS didn't do a good job in promoting them..,..

1. so, adding them to AS makes sense as you'll get more than they've earned
2. buyers at other sites are unlikely to find same images among AS free

and have those images made $5 on other sites in the last year??
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Zero Talent on July 03, 2021, 20:57
At the end of the day, this is not a good deal for us.

Many of my proposed photos gathered much more than $5 elsewhere, while AS didn't do a good job in promoting them..,..

1. so, adding them to AS makes sense as you'll get more than they've earned
2. buyers at other sites are unlikely to find same images among AS free

and have those images made $5 on other sites in the last year??

My point is that many "buyers" will just be satisfied with free, instead of paying for something else.
So instead of driving additional sales (as this new business model is expecting), it will rather prevent regular sales to be made.

Yes, we get $5, for a photo, but that will kill sales and the earnings for other contributors with a similar subject. The losses will exceed $5, because nothing beats free.

We don't shoot ourselves in the foot, indeed (because we get $5).
We rather shoot each other in the feet (because we will both lose more than $5, when we compete against each other with free vs paid)

It looks to me like John Nash's game theory, described in A Beautiful Mind: what is the best outcome for the individuals is not always the best outcome for the group.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Dumc on July 04, 2021, 00:36
This is not the first time they are offering free images, they did it before with a small number of contributors. According to Mat, the experiment attracted more buyers, that's why they're doing it again
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: ravens on July 04, 2021, 08:08



My point is that many "buyers" will just be satisfied with free, instead of paying for something else.
So instead of driving additional sales (as this new business model is expecting), it will rather prevent regular sales to be made.

Yes, we get $5, for a photo, but that will kill sales and the earnings for other contributors with a similar subject. The losses will exceed $5, because nothing beats free.

We don't shoot ourselves in the foot, indeed (because we get $5).
We rather shoot each other in the feet (because we will both lose more than $5, when we compete against each other with free vs paid)


Agreed.

Did not participate in this offer. My personal policy is and will be: no free images.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MadPhotos on July 04, 2021, 10:25
At the end of the day, this is not a good deal for us.

Many of my proposed photos gathered much more than $5 elsewhere, while AS didn't do a good job in promoting them..,..

1. so, adding them to AS makes sense as you'll get more than they've earned
2. buyers at other sites are unlikely to find same images among AS free

and have those images made $5 on other sites in the last year??

My point is that many "buyers" will just be satisfied with free, instead of paying for something else.
So instead of driving additional sales (as this new business model is expecting), it will rather prevent regular sales to be made.

Yes, we get $5, for a photo, but that will kill sales and the earnings for other contributors with a similar subject. The losses will exceed $5, because nothing beats free.

We don't shoot ourselves in the foot, indeed (because we get $5).
We rather shoot each other in the feet (because we will both lose more than $5, when we compete against each other with free vs paid)

It looks to me like John Nash's game theory, described in A Beautiful Mind: what is the best outcome for the individuals is not always the best outcome for the group.

"Yes, we get $5, for a photo, but that will kill sales and the earnings for other contributors "

I produce couple hunderets assets per month and giving away free images is marketing and promoting for me (still not free as they pay) always did it and it worked for me every time. I dont mind giving away assets that not selling and im constantly working on making better and more saleable assets.
 I think the problem starts when someone expect his old portfolio to sell forever then other contributtors that produce new assets will outpreform them in few months free or not anyway.

If you active and working to make more, customers always will need new and actual photos. If there will be free photo of location that travel agency will use they will need more most likely and wont use one photo forever because it was free. If there is customer that use only free photo he wont be on adobe but pexel, unsplash etc. so someone i dont care about anyway and most likely he never bought photos anyway.
 
Its about real customers that constantly need photos for company etc. If someone come for free photos only most likely he never bought photos anyway.

"We rather shoot each other in the feet"

There is no we in sales, we compete against each other free or not best assets gets more sales and everyone is assessing best that works for them. Would be silly to lose oportunity to earn more because i want someone else to sell their photos better.

Just my point of view.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Zero Talent on July 04, 2021, 15:29
At the end of the day, this is not a good deal for us.

Many of my proposed photos gathered much more than $5 elsewhere, while AS didn't do a good job in promoting them..,..

1. so, adding them to AS makes sense as you'll get more than they've earned
2. buyers at other sites are unlikely to find same images among AS free

and have those images made $5 on other sites in the last year??

My point is that many "buyers" will just be satisfied with free, instead of paying for something else.
So instead of driving additional sales (as this new business model is expecting), it will rather prevent regular sales to be made.

Yes, we get $5, for a photo, but that will kill sales and the earnings for other contributors with a similar subject. The losses will exceed $5, because nothing beats free.

We don't shoot ourselves in the foot, indeed (because we get $5).
We rather shoot each other in the feet (because we will both lose more than $5, when we compete against each other with free vs paid)

It looks to me like John Nash's game theory, described in A Beautiful Mind: what is the best outcome for the individuals is not always the best outcome for the group.

"Yes, we get $5, for a photo, but that will kill sales and the earnings for other contributors "

I produce couple hunderets assets per month and giving away free images is marketing and promoting for me (still not free as they pay) always did it and it worked for me every time. I dont mind giving away assets that not selling and im constantly working on making better and more saleable assets.
 I think the problem starts when someone expect his old portfolio to sell forever then other contributtors that produce new assets will outpreform them in few months free or not anyway.

If you active and working to make more, customers always will need new and actual photos. If there will be free photo of location that travel agency will use they will need more most likely and wont use one photo forever because it was free. If there is customer that use only free photo he wont be on adobe but pexel, unsplash etc. so someone i dont care about anyway and most likely he never bought photos anyway.
 
Its about real customers that constantly need photos for company etc. If someone come for free photos only most likely he never bought photos anyway.

"We rather shoot each other in the feet"

There is no we in sales, we compete against each other free or not best assets gets more sales and everyone is assessing best that works for them. Would be silly to lose oportunity to earn more because i want someone else to sell their photos better.

Just my point of view.

I understand your point of view.
My experience is different. I have solid assets that sell well over and over again, since many years!
Producing more of the same, will only devalue my best sellers.

Yes, you have to shoot more, indeed, but different themes and subjects. Otherwise, you are really shooting yourself in the foot!

Taking this in consideration, if now AS has in its free collection assets that compete with my best sellers, I will lose, even if my stuff is better, because nothing competes with free.

Of course we are competitors, but as the boys in A Beautiful Mind went home without getting laid, because they all set their eyes on the gorgeous blonde while neglecting the other girls, the same way we will lose because we set our eyes on those $5, without seing the big picture and the science behind this game theory. 😉
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: cascoly on July 04, 2021, 16:12

So instead of driving additional sales (as this new business model is expecting), it will rather prevent regular sales to be made.

Yes, we get $5, for a photo, but that will kill sales and the earnings for other contributors with a similar subject. The losses will exceed $5, because nothing beats free.
  possibly, but currently unsupported - images that made < $2 in the last year are less likely to suddenly bring in $5+

Quote
We rather shoot each other in the feet (because we will both lose more than $5, when we compete against each other with free vs paid)
another so far unsupported claim  - we'll see how  much AS commissions decline - they didnt when AS first introduced a limted free section awhile ago.

Also we already compete against each other when we submit images to agencies!

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It looks to me like John Nash's game theory, described in A Beautiful Mind: what is the best outcome for the individuals is not always the best outcome for the group.

not really -  the tragedy of the commons concerns individuals exploiting a shared good - here there is no shared good as all artists are seeking to maximise their income while competing directly against other artists


an interesting counter view is https://blogs.cornell.edu/info2040/2018/09/18/the-tragedy-of-the-commons-is-not-a-nash-equilibrium/
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MadPhotos on July 04, 2021, 17:10
At the end of the day, this is not a good deal for us.

Many of my proposed photos gathered much more than $5 elsewhere, while AS didn't do a good job in promoting them..,..

1. so, adding them to AS makes sense as you'll get more than they've earned
2. buyers at other sites are unlikely to find same images among AS free

and have those images made $5 on other sites in the last year??

My point is that many "buyers" will just be satisfied with free, instead of paying for something else.
So instead of driving additional sales (as this new business model is expecting), it will rather prevent regular sales to be made.

Yes, we get $5, for a photo, but that will kill sales and the earnings for other contributors with a similar subject. The losses will exceed $5, because nothing beats free.

We don't shoot ourselves in the foot, indeed (because we get $5).
We rather shoot each other in the feet (because we will both lose more than $5, when we compete against each other with free vs paid)

It looks to me like John Nash's game theory, described in A Beautiful Mind: what is the best outcome for the individuals is not always the best outcome for the group.

"Yes, we get $5, for a photo, but that will kill sales and the earnings for other contributors "

I produce couple hunderets assets per month and giving away free images is marketing and promoting for me (still not free as they pay) always did it and it worked for me every time. I dont mind giving away assets that not selling and im constantly working on making better and more saleable assets.
 I think the problem starts when someone expect his old portfolio to sell forever then other contributtors that produce new assets will outpreform them in few months free or not anyway.

If you active and working to make more, customers always will need new and actual photos. If there will be free photo of location that travel agency will use they will need more most likely and wont use one photo forever because it was free. If there is customer that use only free photo he wont be on adobe but pexel, unsplash etc. so someone i dont care about anyway and most likely he never bought photos anyway.
 
Its about real customers that constantly need photos for company etc. If someone come for free photos only most likely he never bought photos anyway.

"We rather shoot each other in the feet"

There is no we in sales, we compete against each other free or not best assets gets more sales and everyone is assessing best that works for them. Would be silly to lose oportunity to earn more because i want someone else to sell their photos better.

Just my point of view.

I understand your point of view.
My experience is different. I have solid assets that sell well over and over again, since many years!
Producing more of the same, will only devalue my best sellers.

Yes, you have to shoot more, indeed, but different themes and subjects. Otherwise, you are really shooting yourself in the foot!

Taking this in consideration, if now AS has in its free collection assets that compete with my best sellers, I will lose, even if my stuff is better, because nothing competes with free.

Of course we are competitors, but as the boys in A Beautiful Mind went home without getting laid, because they all set their eyes on the gorgeous blonde while neglecting the other girls, the same way we will lose because we set our eyes on those $5, without seing the big picture and the science behind this game theory. 😉

I do understend your point of view as well but i disagree being valid to microstock.

 With amount of assets uploaded daily the "Producing more of the same, will only devalue my best sellers" in my experiance isnt valid as it could be years ago.
If you wont shoot planty simlars but fresh photos every few weeks other contributors will replace your themes. Customers like new.

Its propably depends on subject but after finding my niches i notice in one year time i got slowly replaced and my avrage $100 per month per that subject dropped to few $. I went heavy on that subject and i menaged to increse sales just for that subject to $500 per month get to the first search pages with few similar photos and only way i can keep up up there with every subjest is to how you call it "shoot" my foot few times a month.

Problem is that stock is devaluated allrady so strongly that you need go into quantity over quality to stay relevant. Your work need to be as low as the payment is.

I do stock photography for money and i do not put any passion into it as no one pays for it anymore. I leave passion and quality photography to myself and privat clients. I shoot snapshots for stock on walk with dog or in my backyard.

Lets be honest its the matter of time when Adobe goes sub 10c and SS sub 0.1c. The way i counter this is lower my work time on assets/quality. And pick 10 simlars from batch cost me almost no time if i dont focus on edits. Then sprea that similars uploads through month with help of Software like Stock submitter and with press of one button send to every agency i know...

Stock isnt Art what i try to say.

 
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Zero Talent on July 04, 2021, 21:08

So instead of driving additional sales (as this new business model is expecting), it will rather prevent regular sales to be made.

Yes, we get $5, for a photo, but that will kill sales and the earnings for other contributors with a similar subject. The losses will exceed $5, because nothing beats free.
  possibly, but currently unsupported - images that made < $2 in the last year are less likely to suddenly bring in $5+

Quote
We rather shoot each other in the feet (because we will both lose more than $5, when we compete against each other with free vs paid)
another so far unsupported claim  - we'll see how  much AS commissions decline - they didnt when AS first introduced a limted free section awhile ago.

Also we already compete against each other when we submit images to agencies!

Quote
It looks to me like John Nash's game theory, described in A Beautiful Mind: what is the best outcome for the individuals is not always the best outcome for the group.

not really -  the tragedy of the commons concerns individuals exploiting a shared good - here there is no shared good as all artists are seeking to maximise their income while competing directly against other artists


an interesting counter view is https://blogs.cornell.edu/info2040/2018/09/18/the-tragedy-of-the-commons-is-not-a-nash-equilibrium/

Maybe I didn't make myself clear.
I am not talking about the tragedy of the commons. It's not applicable here, because we don't have a pool of common assets. Besides, even your article is stating that the tragedy of commons is NOT a Nash equilibrium.

I am talking about us, being those boys in the bar all instinctively competing for the gorgeous blonde, instead of paying attention to the other girls, thus smartly aiming for a win-win situation.

In my opinion, we should let all our photos earn their fair competitive share (even if it's less than $5), because this way, we are protecting the rest of our more valuable assets against the kiss of death coming from free alternatives.
If we do that, we are obviously continuing to compete, but, at the end of the day, each one of us is earning more.

Competition is great for progress, but there is no winner in a nuclear war. With this new "free" weapon, we obliterate each other, instead of competing.

The bigger the free collection becomes the worse it will be for each one of us.
I'm happy to see that only a negligible amount has been selected. Hopefully AS will realize the mistake and stop the experiment, before it's too late.


Stock isnt Art what i try to say.


I agree with this: microstock is not art.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Justanotherphotographer on July 05, 2021, 08:32
...giving away free images is marketing and promoting for me (still not free as they pay) always did it and it worked for me every time...

Weird, I haven’t found this at all.

I see these sorts of collections as promotion/ marketing for the agency, to increase traffic to them over a competing agency.

I have never seen any significant uptick from an agency putting my work front and centre, even when I have been “photographer of the month/ week” or whatever with my work / portfolio on the front page of a site.

Mileage may vary I guess.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Zero Talent on July 05, 2021, 12:24
...giving away free images is marketing and promoting for me (still not free as they pay) always did it and it worked for me every time...

Weird, I haven’t found this at all.

I see these sorts of collections as promotion/ marketing for the agency, to increase traffic to them over a competing agency.

I have never seen any significant untick from an agency putting my work front and centre, even when I have been “photographer of the month/ week” or whatever with my work / portfolio on the front page of a site.

Mileage may vary I guess.
Same here, I was featured by Alamy, by Dreamstime, by Shutterstock... with no visible change in my sales pattern.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: cascoly on July 05, 2021, 20:01

another so far unsupported claim  - we'll see how  much AS commissions decline - they didnt when AS first introduced a limted free section awhile ago.

Also we already compete against each other when we submit images to agencies!

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It looks to me like John Nash's game theory, described in A Beautiful Mind: what is the best outcome for the individuals is not always the best outcome for the group.

not really -  the tragedy of the commons concerns individuals exploiting a shared good - here there is no shared good as all artists are seeking to maximise their income while competing directly against other artists


an interesting counter view is https://blogs.cornell.edu/info2040/2018/09/18/the-tragedy-of-the-commons-is-not-a-nash-equilibrium/

Maybe I didn't make myself clear.
I am not talking about the tragedy of the commons. It's not applicable here, because we don't have a pool of common assets. Besides, even your article is stating that the tragedy of commons is NOT a Nash equilibrium.
 ...

you were clear - you said this was Nash game theory and what you described is the tragedy of the commons which is based on his game theory.  (i only included the  link to offer another POV - if it's correct, then your claim to nash's theory is still incorrect)

if you still disagree please show some evidence backing up your claim that this is based on Nash

if you were really referring to prisoner's dilemma, that is not from nash AND also doesn't apply

basically your claim that that individuals who take the $5 hurt the group just doesn't make sense
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Zero Talent on July 05, 2021, 21:21

another so far unsupported claim  - we'll see how  much AS commissions decline - they didnt when AS first introduced a limted free section awhile ago.

Also we already compete against each other when we submit images to agencies!

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It looks to me like John Nash's game theory, described in A Beautiful Mind: what is the best outcome for the individuals is not always the best outcome for the group.

not really -  the tragedy of the commons concerns individuals exploiting a shared good - here there is no shared good as all artists are seeking to maximise their income while competing directly against other artists


an interesting counter view is https://blogs.cornell.edu/info2040/2018/09/18/the-tragedy-of-the-commons-is-not-a-nash-equilibrium/

Maybe I didn't make myself clear.
I am not talking about the tragedy of the commons. It's not applicable here, because we don't have a pool of common assets. Besides, even your article is stating that the tragedy of commons is NOT a Nash equilibrium.
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you were clear - you said this was Nash game theory and what you described is the tragedy of the commons which is based on his game theory.  (i only included the  link to offer another POV - if it's correct, then your claim to nash's theory is still incorrect)

if you still disagree please show some evidence backing up your claim that this is based on Nash

if you were really referring to prisoner's dilemma, that is not from nash AND also doesn't apply

basically your claim that that individuals who take the $5 hurt the group just doesn't make sense

No, you are wrong. I didn't describe the tragedy of commons. That's what you assumed.

"In the Nash equilibrium, each player's strategy is optimal when considering the decisions of other players. "
Even more, "the prisoners' dilemma is a common game theory example and one that adequately showcases the effect of the Nash equilibrium."

So yes, you fail to consider that others are also getting those $5 and making their assets free to compete against your non-free assets, maybe even against your best sellers.
So your strategy is not optimal, but narrow-sighted. And you'll lose more than the little gain you make with those $5.

Just think about how the game can evolve: the more free assets will exist, the less our best sellers will earn because of the increased competition from free assets. We will be incentivized to make even more of our assets free because we will be happy to get those $5, instead of nothing (or almost nothing).
The game ends when all assets are free and our lifetime earnings for each photo will stop growing, being limited by the last $5 we get when we make it free.

When we accept the $5, we are not in a Nash equilibrium, therefore our strategy is not optimal.

So yes, I am claiming that the individuals who take the $5 do hurt the group (and indirectly will end hurting themselves)
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Pauws99 on July 06, 2021, 01:27
At the end of the day, this is not a good deal for us.

Many of my proposed photos gathered much more than $5 elsewhere, while AS didn't do a good job in promoting them..,..

1. so, adding them to AS makes sense as you'll get more than they've earned
2. buyers at other sites are unlikely to find same images among AS free

and have those images made $5 on other sites in the last year??

My point is that many "buyers" will just be satisfied with free, instead of paying for something else.
So instead of driving additional sales (as this new business model is expecting), it will rather prevent regular sales to be made.

Yes, we get $5, for a photo, but that will kill sales and the earnings for other contributors with a similar subject. The losses will exceed $5, because nothing beats free.

We don't shoot ourselves in the foot, indeed (because we get $5).
We rather shoot each other in the feet (because we will both lose more than $5, when we compete against each other with free vs paid)

It looks to me like John Nash's game theory, described in A Beautiful Mind: what is the best outcome for the individuals is not always the best outcome for the group.

"Yes, we get $5, for a photo, but that will kill sales and the earnings for other contributors "

I produce couple hunderets assets per month and giving away free images is marketing and promoting for me (still not free as they pay) always did it and it worked for me every time. I dont mind giving away assets that not selling and im constantly working on making better and more saleable assets.
 I think the problem starts when someone expect his old portfolio to sell forever then other contributtors that produce new assets will outpreform them in few months free or not anyway.

If you active and working to make more, customers always will need new and actual photos. If there will be free photo of location that travel agency will use they will need more most likely and wont use one photo forever because it was free. If there is customer that use only free photo he wont be on adobe but pexel, unsplash etc. so someone i dont care about anyway and most likely he never bought photos anyway.
 
Its about real customers that constantly need photos for company etc. If someone come for free photos only most likely he never bought photos anyway.

"We rather shoot each other in the feet"

There is no we in sales, we compete against each other free or not best assets gets more sales and everyone is assessing best that works for them. Would be silly to lose oportunity to earn more because i want someone else to sell their photos better.

Just my point of view.

I understand your point of view.
My experience is different. I have solid assets that sell well over and over again, since many years!
Producing more of the same, will only devalue my best sellers.

Yes, you have to shoot more, indeed, but different themes and subjects. Otherwise, you are really shooting yourself in the foot!

Taking this in consideration, if now AS has in its free collection assets that compete with my best sellers, I will lose, even if my stuff is better, because nothing competes with free.

Of course we are competitors, but as the boys in A Beautiful Mind went home without getting laid, because they all set their eyes on the gorgeous blonde while neglecting the other girls, the same way we will lose because we set our eyes on those $5, without seing the big picture and the science behind this game theory. 😉
If something is perceived as better than free then it can compete...hence people pay for mineral water in restaurants rather than free tap water. Price is rarely the only factor in purchasing decisions.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Zero Talent on July 06, 2021, 01:43
If something is perceived as better than free then it can compete...hence people pay for mineral water in restaurants rather than free tap water. Price is rarely the only factor in purchasing decisions.

Do you mean like this: https://youtu.be/EL5O_9HnN4E?
 ;D
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Pauws99 on July 06, 2021, 03:02
If something is perceived as better than free then it can compete...hence people pay for mineral water in restaurants rather than free tap water. Price is rarely the only factor in purchasing decisions.

Do you mean like this: https://youtu.be/EL5O_9HnN4E?
 ;D
Indeed.....there have been a few cases of companies bottling municipal tap water and selling at a premium......
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Zero Talent on July 06, 2021, 08:05
If something is perceived as better than free then it can compete...hence people pay for mineral water in restaurants rather than free tap water. Price is rarely the only factor in purchasing decisions.

Do you mean like this: https://youtu.be/EL5O_9HnN4E?
 ;D
Indeed.....there have been a few cases of companies bottling municipal tap water and selling at a premium......

Then the conclusion is that buyers can be fooled and made belive that something is better, but only for limited time.

Isn't it the same for the photos "perceived" to be better, you gave as an example?

It's just a matter of time before the buyers realize that the free alternative is equally good, or simply good enough for the purpose.  ;)
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: alison1414 on July 06, 2021, 13:15
It doesn't matter how it's packaged, giving our work away for free devalues us all, as if we haven't already been devalued enough. When I see an image in the Free section of any agency, I assume it wasn't good enough to be accepted. I then look at the name of the creator and assume that person isn't very good at what he does. And that is what the buyers - I mean takers in this instance - will think too.  Anyone participating in this travesty should be ashamed. Stop the madness.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Reimar on July 06, 2021, 13:23
I say by all means let AS give your images away for free.  AS think it's cheap advertising, and I can't argue.  If it brings in more paying customers for the rest of us.... hooray!
But as for me, I will not give away my images, either here or at SS.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MadPhotos on July 06, 2021, 13:27
If something is perceived as better than free then it can compete...hence people pay for mineral water in restaurants rather than free tap water. Price is rarely the only factor in purchasing decisions.

Do you mean like this: https://youtu.be/EL5O_9HnN4E?
 ;D
Indeed.....there have been a few cases of companies bottling municipal tap water and selling at a premium......

Then the conclusion is that buyers can be fooled and made belive that something is better, but only for limited time.

Isn't it the same for the photos "perceived" to be better, you gave as an example?

It's just a matter of time before the buyers realize that the free alternative is equally good, or simply good enough for the purpose.  ;)

Metaphore have zero sense here. Customers have eyes, if free photos are better for their purpose they will pick free. Company's have budget for that reason and if paid are better they will pick better. Don't know what is your customer base but my for sure isn't ppl without money. Many times before I was contacted by potential buyers and offered them one free photo and they coming back to buy more of my fresh photos mostly for advertising and tourism. I would be exclusive to Pexel sites if my customer base was broke. You guys get over dramatic and it turns into comedy. Going back to water, you don't know which is better unless you have mobile laboratory with you and carry a test of your drinks. You don't need science to see what photo suits your needs.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MadPhotos on July 06, 2021, 13:36
It doesn't matter how it's packaged, giving our work away for free devalues us all, as if we haven't already been devalued enough. When I see an image in the Free section of any agency, I assume it wasn't good enough to be accepted. I then look at the name of the creator and assume that person isn't very good at what he does. And that is what the buyers - I mean takers in this instance - will think too.  Anyone participating in this travesty should be ashamed. Stop the madness.
When I see it I assume someone want to promote his photos like I do. And I don't assume what customer assume especially when my sales go up. Nothing to assume if I have my own statistics.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Dodie on July 06, 2021, 13:48
Whether you accepted this deal or not, it will hurt us all.
Don't fool yourself, buyers will always take the free image, if it represents their needs, no matter the quality.I hope I am wrong.
I am already seeing the results (one free image), I had just six small downloads this month, none today, I haven't seen this for a long time.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MadPhotos on July 06, 2021, 13:55
...giving away free images is marketing and promoting for me (still not free as they pay) always did it and it worked for me every time...

Weird, I haven’t found this at all.

I see these sorts of collections as promotion/ marketing for the agency, to increase traffic to them over a competing agency.

I have never seen any significant uptick from an agency putting my work front and centre, even when I have been “photographer of the month/ week” or whatever with my work / portfolio on the front page of a site.

Mileage may vary I guess.

After being featured in Editors pics my sales jumped instantly even 50%, after giving away some photos in time limit of one month for free showing my main subjects i picked up some slight spikes in sales through next few months of that theme. Getting on the first page of search is like striking the gold and free photos can get you there fastest.

Like you said Mileage may vary.
If i would promote themes that arent searched for, it would not change the traffic to my port.

Main thing is to studdy statistics through Apps like Microstockr or follow statistics on sites like Creative market that show you exacly when who and why come to buy.
And dont assume

Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MadPhotos on July 06, 2021, 14:05
Whether you accepted this deal or not, it will hurt us all.
Don't fool yourself, buyers will always take the free image, if it represents their needs, no matter the quality.I hope I am wrong.
I am already seeing the results (one free image), I had just six small downloads this month, none today, I haven't seen this for a long time.

Sounds like you dont upload much and that would be the main reason. Some upload hundreds assets a week or even day.
Your old photos will be burried with time if you wont be fighting for your posittion in that competition.
Its way to soon to say what is the impact of free collection, it will take months to see results. First batch last year brought some new customers and i saw it in my sales.
BTW This month for me is normal no change in sales... so yes too soon and i got aproved 50 free photos
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Zero Talent on July 06, 2021, 14:18
. Nothing to assume if I have my own statistics.

Your own statistics are irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

Besides, you, like many others, changed your strategy when you began to offer your stuff for free.

Therefore your past performance is not a predictor of your future performance, anymore.

Too bad you fail to understand how bad this model is for all of us!

Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MadPhotos on July 06, 2021, 14:35
. Nothing to assume if I have my own statistics.

Your own statistics are irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

Besides, you, like many others, changed your strategy when you began to offer your stuff for free.

Therefore your past performance is not a predictor of your future performance, anymore.

Too bad you fail to understand how bad this model is for all of us!
Your personal opinion, you have right to have one.
Disagree as since 4 years I see only growth that slows down when my performance slows down. I don't live in past and present won't stay same forever im aware of that. If you won't adopt you stay behind. And complaining changes nothing.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Dodie on July 06, 2021, 14:49
Whether you accepted this deal or not, it will hurt us all.
Don't fool yourself, buyers will always take the free image, if it represents their needs, no matter the quality.I hope I am wrong.
I am already seeing the results (one free image), I had just six small downloads this month, none today, I haven't seen this for a long time.

Sounds like you dont upload much and that would be the main reason. Some upload hundreds assets a week or even day.
Your old photos will be burried with time if you wont be fighting for your posittion in that competition.
Its way to soon to say what is the impact of free collection, it will take months to see results. First batch last year brought some new customers and i saw it in my sales.
BTW This month for me is normal no change in sales... so yes too soon and i got aproved 50 free photos
You are right, I don't upload a lot, still it's 10 years now that I am playing this game.
During these years I've seen portfolios with only a few hundred images earning more than those with 10-20k assets but I agree, its probably too soon to say what is the impact of free collection.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Zero Talent on July 06, 2021, 15:17
. Nothing to assume if I have my own statistics.

Your own statistics are irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

Besides, you, like many others, changed your strategy when you began to offer your stuff for free.

Therefore your past performance is not a predictor of your future performance, anymore.

Too bad you fail to understand how bad this model is for all of us!
Your personal opinion, you have right to have one.
Disagree as since 4 years I see only growth that slows down when my performance slows down. I don't live in past and present won't stay same forever im aware of that. If you won't adopt you stay behind. And complaining changes nothing.

I am not complaining. I am explaining. Obviously, not everybody is ready to admit when they made a bad call and explanations are futile, in such cases.
Good luck, and while you are joyfully sawing off the branch you are sitting on, remember that you shouldn't complain when you'll break your legs  ;D
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MadPhotos on July 06, 2021, 15:36
. Nothing to assume if I have my own statistics.

Your own statistics are irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

Besides, you, like many others, changed your strategy when you began to offer your stuff for free.

Therefore your past performance is not a predictor of your future performance, anymore.

Too bad you fail to understand how bad this model is for all of us!
Your personal opinion, you have right to have one.
Disagree as since 4 years I see only growth that slows down when my performance slows down. I don't live in past and present won't stay same forever im aware of that. If you won't adopt you stay behind. And complaining changes nothing.

I am not complaining. I am explaining. Obviously, not everybody is ready to admit when they made a bad call and explanations are futile, in such cases.
Good luck, and while you are joyfully sawing off the branch you are sitting on, remember that you shouldn't complain when you'll break your legs  ;D

Thanks for that cliché wishes 👌. Remember life is much more than stock photos. Don't act like all will end with it it's not healthy. Good luck as well.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: cascoly on July 06, 2021, 20:05
If something is perceived as better than free then it can compete...hence people pay for mineral water in restaurants rather than free tap water. Price is rarely the only factor in purchasing decisions.

Do you mean like this: https://youtu.be/EL5O_9HnN4E?
 ;D
Indeed.....there have been a few cases of companies bottling municipal tap water and selling at a premium......

more than a few - major brands like Aquafina (Pepsi) & Dasani (CocaCola) & Nestles use tap water (plus some hand waving magic advertising)

https://waterpurificationguide.com/brands-of-bottled-water-that-are-actually-tap-water/
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Pauws99 on July 07, 2021, 00:23
If something is perceived as better than free then it can compete...hence people pay for mineral water in restaurants rather than free tap water. Price is rarely the only factor in purchasing decisions.

Do you mean like this: https://youtu.be/EL5O_9HnN4E?
 ;D
Indeed.....there have been a few cases of companies bottling municipal tap water and selling at a premium......

Then the conclusion is that buyers can be fooled and made belive that something is better, but only for limited time.

Isn't it the same for the photos "perceived" to be better, you gave as an example?

It's just a matter of time before the buyers realize that the free alternative is equally good, or simply good enough for the purpose.  ;)
Indeed though I wouldn't necessarily say "fooled" or time is limited. People pay more for many branded products which often in blind comparisons are no better than cheaper generic products. Thats largely what marketing is about. I would imagine SS get most of their income from busineses where convenience and trust are probably key. Once a corporate has bought a package or negotiated a contract  then they are unlikely to allow buyers to go outside it.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Uncle Pete on July 07, 2021, 10:53
Whether you accepted this deal or not, it will hurt us all.
Don't fool yourself, buyers will always take the free image, if it represents their needs, no matter the quality.I hope I am wrong.
I am already seeing the results (one free image), I had just six small downloads this month, none today, I haven't seen this for a long time.

Lets look at the calendar and the "already seeing results" observation. Wow, July 1-6 anyone who watches downloads would recognize a long July 4th weekend is always terrible for sales. You are seeing what you want to see, because you don't like the idea of attracting new customers, with a minimal free offer.

This isn't anything about devaluing our work, it is about bringing in new buyers.

Yes, discounting for purposes of competition is terrible for everyone. We can all see how that works with other agencies, lowering prices and values. No one wins. Well the suits will win, because if they can get volume up and make it appear they are making more money, they get the bonus. In profits, even the company loses by that strategy. Easiest way to make more money is cut the cost of goods. Pay us less!

Anyone here still submitting to Deposit? Why? Talk about devaluing our markets and assets.

DP offers this:

A collection of 1,227,123 files: Get unlimited downloads for just $4.99
Get access to a library of 69,427 free files


While Adobe is simply trying to attract new customers. I'll suspect they make money from the CC subscriptions, and images are a minor side expense. We still get paid the same as they promised when they raised the commissions after buying FT. What other agency has held our values, since 2014 and not cut commissions?

Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Dumc on July 07, 2021, 12:29
Covid, summer, oversuply, free image sites, I'm surprised we're earning anything at all.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Dodie on July 07, 2021, 14:02
Whether you accepted this deal or not, it will hurt us all.
Don't fool yourself, buyers will always take the free image, if it represents their needs, no matter the quality.I hope I am wrong.
I am already seeing the results (one free image), I had just six small downloads this month, none today, I haven't seen this for a long time.

Lets look at the calendar and the "already seeing results" observation. Wow, July 1-6 anyone who watches downloads would recognize a long July 4th weekend is always terrible for sales. You are seeing what you want to see, because you don't like the idea of attracting new customers, with a minimal free offer.

This isn't anything about devaluing our work, it is about bringing in new buyers.

Yes, discounting for purposes of competition is terrible for everyone. We can all see how that works with other agencies, lowering prices and values. No one wins. Well the suits will win, because if they can get volume up and make it appear they are making more money, they get the bonus. In profits, even the company loses by that strategy. Easiest way to make more money is cut the cost of goods. Pay us less!

Anyone here still submitting to Deposit? Why? Talk about devaluing our markets and assets.

DP offers this:

A collection of 1,227,123 files: Get unlimited downloads for just $4.99
Get access to a library of 69,427 free files


While Adobe is simply trying to attract new customers. I'll suspect they make money from the CC subscriptions, and images are a minor side expense. We still get paid the same as they promised when they raised the commissions after buying FT. What other agency has held our values, since 2014 and not cut commissions?


I didn't understand all of your comment because, as usual, you are jumping from one subject to the other (no offence) but I will answer some of your questions.

1. "This isn't anything about devaluing our work, it is about bringing in new buyers."

We've been feed up with this from the beginning of times and it never happened.

2. "Anyone here still submitting to Deposit? Why? Talk about devaluing our markets and assets."

You are always talking about agencies you don't submit to.
DP is my third agency, it earns me more money than DT, so why not?

Also, the DPC of FT earned the most at this agency, much more than the raised commission of AS but how could those who didn't participate know about this?



I wish you are right this time and we will be invaded by new buyers.

Btw, aren't you uploading through Wirestock?
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MadPhotos on July 07, 2021, 15:12
Covid, summer, oversuply, free image sites, I'm surprised we're earning anything at all.

Exactly... Thing is ppl will assume a lot depending on their point of view. I'm more on positive side because I constantly being contacted by ppl and company's that found my work on stock sites like Adobe or even SS. And those ppl are professionals with budgets and they never fish for free stuff and are ready and "surprisingly" ready to pay top price. Their priorities aren't what we would think. Free stuff and low commissions are product of agencies looking for bigger profits, competition against other agencies and in many cases price of product dosnt change only part for contributors getting smaller. They can afford losing contributors but not customers.
 I finding Adobe offer 12 months free best in industry right now where other agencies give you option to offer free stuff as a promotion but without any compensation... Because why would they if you want to offer it for free?
  Adobe came to us seeing our assets sitting and doing nothing, and fact that they offered to pay is sight of respect to our work and acknowledgement of our rights to that assets.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: cascoly on July 07, 2021, 19:42
...
  Adobe came to us seeing our assets sitting and doing nothing, and fact that they offered to pay is sight of respect to our work and acknowledgement of our rights to that assets.

SS also does that thru wirestock's instant pay program
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: MadPhotos on July 08, 2021, 01:06
...
  Adobe came to us seeing our assets sitting and doing nothing, and fact that they offered to pay is sight of respect to our work and acknowledgement of our rights to that assets.

SS also does that thru wirestock's instant pay program
Isnt it free forever? That is bad idea. Wirestock is part of SS and you basicly helping them to take even more of your money like 10c is still to much for you it's your decision. In my opinion financially it's worst you can do to yourself.
My workflow is few times faster from wirestock from upload to approve state and I upload to around 15 agencies with a pressing of one button but yes it isn't free as well. I pay up to $20 per month to Stocksubmiter to do most of my upload work. If you earn $ 100 per month its not good but if you earn couple thousends it's nothing compared to percent Wirestock takes. But everyone value his own work differently and need to establish what works the best for them.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Uncle Pete on July 10, 2021, 08:47
Whether you accepted this deal or not, it will hurt us all.
Don't fool yourself, buyers will always take the free image, if it represents their needs, no matter the quality.I hope I am wrong.
I am already seeing the results (one free image), I had just six small downloads this month, none today, I haven't seen this for a long time.

Lets look at the calendar and the "already seeing results" observation. Wow, July 1-6 anyone who watches downloads would recognize a long July 4th weekend is always terrible for sales. You are seeing what you want to see, because you don't like the idea of attracting new customers, with a minimal free offer.

This isn't anything about devaluing our work, it is about bringing in new buyers.

Yes, discounting for purposes of competition is terrible for everyone. We can all see how that works with other agencies, lowering prices and values. No one wins. Well the suits will win, because if they can get volume up and make it appear they are making more money, they get the bonus. In profits, even the company loses by that strategy. Easiest way to make more money is cut the cost of goods. Pay us less!

Anyone here still submitting to Deposit? Why? Talk about devaluing our markets and assets.

DP offers this:

A collection of 1,227,123 files: Get unlimited downloads for just $4.99
Get access to a library of 69,427 free files


While Adobe is simply trying to attract new customers. I'll suspect they make money from the CC subscriptions, and images are a minor side expense. We still get paid the same as they promised when they raised the commissions after buying FT. What other agency has held our values, since 2014 and not cut commissions?


I didn't understand all of your comment because, as usual, you are jumping from one subject to the other (no offence) but I will answer some of your questions.

1. "This isn't anything about devaluing our work, it is about bringing in new buyers."

We've been feed up with this from the beginning of times and it never happened.

2. "Anyone here still submitting to Deposit? Why? Talk about devaluing our markets and assets."

You are always talking about agencies you don't submit to.
DP is my third agency, it earns me more money than DT, so why not?

Also, the DPC of FT earned the most at this agency, much more than the raised commission of AS but how could those who didn't participate know about this?



I wish you are right this time and we will be invaded by new buyers.

Btw, aren't you uploading through Wirestock?

Supporting agencies that "hurt us all", is the point. DP whether it makes you money or not, hurts the entire market. Your point was that free images used as marketing "hurt us all". I think supporting the bottom feeder agencies, the price and value cutting agencies and the ones that have shown over the years that they can't be trusted = hurts us all.

Yeah, new buyers are always good, I'd agree. I don't think this will cause a big jump or a flood of new buyers and sales. But I also don't think it's going to hurt.

DPC go back and read the forum comments. Seems that just like the one year for one payment of Adobe is just about equally as popular. LOL I know someone else who said his sales from DPC were very good and made more. You aren't alone.

The worst of these schemes had to have been the Dollar Photo Club, with a 10 image a month subscription for $10, with rollovers. Until Getty came up with Premium Access that netted contributors fractions of a cent per download that is :)

And whatever Connect really is for fractions of a cent?

Also right on target for this new idea from Adobe:
Most of the changes since have been either agencies trying to poach business from one another, not increasing the pool of buyers, or dropping any idea of acceptance standards to increase the supply of images - more of the same, not so much expanding the type of imagery available to buyers.

Except, maybe, and I'm just being hopeful, that more people subscribing to CC who are not already stock photo users, will bring us more income? New Buyers.

Back to your original and my disagreement. You are looking at the first week of July and already seeing negative changes, because of the free images? Give it some time and not the potentially one of the worst weeks of the year.

Oh and I almost didn't answer. I upload to everywhere on Wirestock, because I give up. I'm still uploading to SS and Adobe on my own. In effect, you are correct a contradiction. I dropped DP, 123, and the rest, years ago. I found P5 for photos, a hopeless effort. DT I might make payout by 2024? But correct, new Crapstock is going to all without any concern for ethics, bottom feeders, or that one of them might be out of business in a year.

Show me the money!

I'm saying that trying to fight against the price cutters, the race to the bottom or unethical agencies, does nothing. The petitions, protests or leaving, has no effect. (except make less for me?) I gave up caring. But I do still have control over what goes where, and my best images, go to Adobe.

I got $5 for an image that hasn't earned $5 in it's lifetime across all agencies, including Wirestock. I'm happy.  ;D

I don't know if this free collection will hurt or not or if we'll actually be able to see any observable effect. How does anyone know what caused an increase or drop, as an individual? I'd say we don't. If my Adobe sales go up, am I allowed to assume (incorrectly) that it's a result of the free collection? Neither can I assume that any immediate and recent drop is because of a new free collection.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Dodie on July 10, 2021, 11:03
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Quote from: Uncle Pete on July 10, 2021 (https://www.microstockgroup.com/fotolia-com/adobe-stock-upfront-royalty-payment-opportunity/msg565556/#msg565556)]Back to your original and my disagreement. You are looking at the first week of July and already seeing negative changes, because of the free images? Give it some time and not the potentially one of the worst weeks of the year.
What is your problem man? I just shared my thoughts just like so many others. You don't need to agree with me, neither do I. If you want to sound credible about other agencies, quote someone who speaks from experience. I really appreciate Joe Ann's input here on the forum but she never participated in DPC, on the contrary, so the wrong example.
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I dropped DP, 123, and the rest, years ago. I found P5 for photos, a hopeless effort. DT I might make payout by 2024? But correct, new Crapstock is going to all without any concern for ethics, bottom feeders, or that one of them might be out of business in a year.
Oh yeah, this business is the best place for concerns for ethics. "No honor among thieves", right?
 
I wish I had $0.10 for each time you criticized people for contributing to agencies you don't like and these unethical people like myself just don't listen to wise advice.


Wish you a nice day!
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Uncle Pete on July 10, 2021, 13:24
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Quote from: Uncle Pete on July 10, 2021 (https://www.microstockgroup.com/fotolia-com/adobe-stock-upfront-royalty-payment-opportunity/msg565556/#msg565556)]Back to your original and my disagreement. You are looking at the first week of July and already seeing negative changes, because of the free images? Give it some time and not the potentially one of the worst weeks of the year.
What is your problem man? I just shared my thoughts just like so many others. You don't need to agree with me, neither do I. If you want to sound credible about other agencies, quote someone who speaks from experience. I really appreciate Joe Ann's input here on the forum but she never participated in DPC, on the contrary, so the wrong example.
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I dropped DP, 123, and the rest, years ago. I found P5 for photos, a hopeless effort. DT I might make payout by 2024? But correct, new Crapstock is going to all without any concern for ethics, bottom feeders, or that one of them might be out of business in a year.
Oh yeah, this business is the best place for concerns for ethics. "No honor among thieves", right?
 
I wish I had $0.10 for each time you criticized people for contributing to agencies you don't like and these unethical people like myself just don't listen to wise advice.


Wish you a nice day!

You could have marked that a hypocrite alert, as I changed when I clicked DP on Wirestock, which means I have some of mine for download there, again. I really shouldn't do that, should I?

No one said you are unethical. (I did say DP was) You started with

"Quote from: Dodie on July 06, 2021, 13:48

    Whether you accepted this deal or not, it will hurt us all.
    Don't fool yourself, buyers will always take the free image, if it represents their needs, no matter the quality.I hope I am wrong.
    I am already seeing the results (one free image), I had just six small downloads this month, none today, I haven't seen this for a long time."

How you could see the effects of the free images already. I pointed out, it was the first week of July which is a crummy week anyway.

"it will hurt us all" and I say so does supporting the price cutting bottom feeders. But you want to stick with, Free on Adobe has already made your earnings worse.  ;D

I say, give it a few months and after that, see what you see. And I also said, individual results are not valid, so if your sales are down and someone has better sales, then what's the point.

I also said, complaining, protesting, dropping agencies and avoiding the bottom feeders, does nothing, so I've changed my position to I'll take the money.

Since I used to contribute to over 25 agencies, writing about any agency is pretty much what you say, one I don't contribute to, and it's not a matter of like or don't like and you don't have to listen to me. I have a personal opinion. Just like I also added that some people said DPC was great and they made good money. Some didn't like the concept and left FT. Personal choice.

Some people think exclusive on IS is the perfect answer. I think it's limiting. Some people say no one should upload anything to SS, but I make more money there than anyplace else. Some don't like the Upfront Payment, I allowed a bunch of images, that don't sell well. That's easy, isn't it.

So do what you want, we all do. Make your own decisions. But please don't tell me that sales are down because of free images, and you can see it already because your sales are down, in a week. My sales are up, and I got $5 for doing nothing besides? Neither proves anything, and in a year, no one else will be able to give a valid opinion of how this free offer changed the market, based on their individual personal sales.

Try to separate personal opinion from unsubstantiated claims.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: kall3bu on July 22, 2021, 08:06
Curius to know if anybody got that 5 $/image from Adobe uploaded via wirestock and how wirestock inform about it.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Roscoe on July 23, 2021, 09:12
Curius to know if anybody got that 5 $/image from Adobe uploaded via wirestock and how wirestock inform about it.
I got a few 4.25$ commissions last month, so these might be Adobe instant pay.
Got a few 3.4$ commissions this month, and I guess these are from Shutterstock.

It's only guessing, as these two are buying images for their free collection nowadays.
WireStock doesn't seem to report in which free collection the image ends up, so it might be Freepik as well.

Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Pacesetter on July 23, 2021, 23:39
The free image wholesale offer (which I didn't sign up to) must be going really well as my sales have completely stopped.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: kall3bu on July 24, 2021, 02:42
Curius to know if anybody got that 5 $/image from Adobe uploaded via wirestock and how wirestock inform about it.
I got a few 4.25$ commissions last month, so these might be Adobe instant pay.
Got a few 3.4$ commissions this month, and I guess these are from Shutterstock.

It's only guessing, as these two are buying images for their free collection nowadays.
WireStock doesn't seem to report in which free collection the image ends up, so it might be Freepik as well.

Thx for the information!

I just got today some sales for 3,83$ - different again.
I am just curious to know from whom how much and will ask wirestock, who for sure will give clear answer, if they can. Then for the future we will know it better.
BTW: The photos I sold are my worst photos ever I took and just submit because the better ones were from the same shot, so it was easy for keywording. LOL
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: kall3bu on July 24, 2021, 02:45
The free image wholesale offer (which I didn't sign up to) must be going really well as my sales have completely stopped.

If - like in my case - the worst photos go for free even they were able to select the better ones either, but not did, then I guess the competition does not matter that much.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: kall3bu on July 24, 2021, 05:50
My instant photos for 3,83$/photo were from shutterstock.
Unfortunally they did not tell me about the other agencies (4,25 and 3,40).
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Brasilnut on July 28, 2021, 10:40

For what it's worth, here's my take on the free-downloads trend including the Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity over at the Xpiks blog:

https://xpiksapp.com/blog/free-downloads-microstocks/

Alex
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: 50% on August 01, 2021, 09:16
Could one be clarify this? Upfront payment to Wirestock is not limited for one year? It is free forever? Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: wds on August 01, 2021, 16:36

For what it's worth, here's my take on the free-downloads trend including the Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity over at the Xpiks blog:

https://xpiksapp.com/blog/free-downloads-microstocks/

Alex

Just read your take....but can you explain in what way do you expect the storm to "finally clear"?
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Brasilnut on August 02, 2021, 01:33

For what it's worth, here's my take on the free-downloads trend including the Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity over at the Xpiks blog:

https://xpiksapp.com/blog/free-downloads-microstocks/

Alex

Just read your take....but can you explain in what way do you expect the storm to "finally clear"?

It's an understatement to say that 2020 and 2021 have turned out to be eventful years in this industry.

Perhaps there will be some consolidation and things will come down a bit at least for a while so we can all catch our breaths. No major "exciting news" announcements, I hope.

I'm betting on travel to return in full swing and as most of my port are made of travel images, hopefully get back to something resembling old normal results.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Roscoe on August 02, 2021, 03:13
I'm betting on travel to return in full swing and as most of my port are made of travel images, hopefully get back to something resembling old normal results.

Brutally honest question Alex: do you think that's still possible, considered the half-life of images? The pandemic impacted travel for one year and a half now.
Of course, travel contributors were also impacted with travel restrictions that made it impossible to shoot new content.

Nice reference to peer-to-peer sharing and torrent sites btw. How the licensing of artistic work went from illegally-free over piracy to free or almost free legally.
Dirt cheap streaming services (more or less similar to the shared income and download percentages some agencies like Freepik are trying to pull off) might have knocked piracy down, it also killed the income from licenses for most of the artists.

For movies and series it's a slightly different story. You need a lot of streaming subscriptions to cover all the releases, so not that dirt cheap anymore, and in addition, releases are not worldwide, so some regions have to wait longer. Piracy is still pretty strong in that area.

Another difference is that music or movie enthusiasts and collectors still like to have a properly licensed copy with artwork (vinyl!!) in their collection.

Anyhow, keep up the good work, I love reading your articles.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Brasilnut on August 02, 2021, 03:48
I'm betting on travel to return in full swing and as most of my port are made of travel images, hopefully get back to something resembling old normal results.

Brutally honest question Alex: do you think that's still possible, considered the half-life of images? The pandemic impacted travel for one year and a half now.
Of course, travel contributors were also impacted with travel restrictions that made it impossible to shoot new content.

Anyhow, keep up the good work, I love reading your articles.

Thanks for the kind words.

No, I don't think that the older images will have much life, hence why I'm not so bothered to give them away for as little as $5.
Wouldn't surprise if SS soon proposes the same scheme and offers to give away our images for $2/lifetime, then it's not so interesting.

As for new travel images, there are plenty of opportunities especially away from the big cities. Don't know about you guys/gals but I want to avoid big urban centres at all cost. Not scared to get Covid as already had it and survived relatively pain-free (although best not to be too complacent) but there's too much hassle with keeping up with restrictions which often change from one week to another. However, the main factor for avoiding large population centres is the growing risk of social unrest and rising crime. My gear simply stands out like a sore thumb and not worth the risk for what they're paying these days. Plus the market is already saturated for the main centres (London, Paris, Rome, etc. come to mind) so there's no point anymore unless content is captured extraordinarily.

So, perhaps the new travel trend will be for smaller cities/towns...I'll look to explore first in Iberia then elsewhere. Oh and I hope to get a drone soon together with a pilot's license so that should open up some new opportunities. Whether I'll get a ROI, not sure but I'll give it a shot!
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Roscoe on August 02, 2021, 04:22
So, perhaps the new travel trend will be for smaller cities/towns...I'll look to explore first in Iberia then elsewhere. Oh and I hope to get a drone soon together with a pilot's license so that should open up some new opportunities. Whether I'll get a ROI, not sure but I'll give it a shot!
Can confirm. Never ever sold a shot from Venice for instance (and I have quite a few, some are very decent too).  While my shots from Galicia, Extremadura, Castilla y Léon and other less traveled places sell weekly across the agencies I signed up for. The thing is: for some of these places... there's little or even no competition. If you manage to snap a decent looking shot, and a buyer happens to need it for an off the beaten track article: your image gets the sale. (edit: and I don't include them in any instant pay program :) )

Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: kall3bu on August 02, 2021, 09:00
Alex/brasilnut:
#No, I don't think that the older images will have much life, hence why I'm not so bothered to give them away for as little as $5.#

You meant also in case of older travel photos, photos from cities...

I totally agree, if these photos got uploaded already.

But I stopped uploading photos of travel genre when covid arrived and I hope(!), I will upload these ´old´ photos from 2020 soon and that they still have a chance to get sales.
Do you agree?
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: farbled on August 02, 2021, 09:46
Dirt cheap streaming services (more or less similar to the shared income and download percentages some agencies like Freepik are trying to pull off) might have knocked piracy down, it also killed the income from licenses for most of the artists.

I get that people don't like Freeepik's/Adobe's/Shutter's one-time price model or "free" sites, but I have yet to see any demonstrable correlation between those places and a decrease in earnings for "most of the artists". I'm not trying to pick and argument, but I don't see how you can claim this.

I believe the over-saturation of supply, few innovations by agencies, plus the (ever decreasing) subscription model have done far worse than art sites like Unsplash or this instant pay model. My stats actually show a solid uptick these days.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Roscoe on August 02, 2021, 11:03
I get that people don't like Freeepik's/Adobe's/Shutter's one-time price model or "free" sites, but I have yet to see any demonstrable correlation between those places and a decrease in earnings for "most of the artists". I'm not trying to pick and argument, but I don't see how you can claim this.

I believe the over-saturation of supply, few innovations by agencies, plus the (ever decreasing) subscription model have done far worse than art sites like Unsplash or this instant pay model. My stats actually show a solid uptick these days.

I didn't make myself fully clear. I was referring to the flat fee unlimited downloads plans, where the income afterwards is divided over contributors in proportion to their downloads. Freepik offers such a plan. (which I don't like, from a contributor perspective)

And for the record: I'm more positive on instant pay programs. They are a good opportunity for squeezing some money out of buried content. How these free collections will impact future sales? I have no idea to be honest.

Edit: a lot of fellow contributors seemingly had a good month in July. Same for me. Certainly not only due to instant pay income, sales in general have been pretty good across all agencies for me in July. Surprising, because it's generally speaking not a good month in microstockworld. I can only hope it lasts.


Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: farbled on August 02, 2021, 11:12
I didn't make myself fully clear. I was referring to the flat fee unlimited downloads plans, where the income afterwards is divided over contributors in proportion to their downloads. Freepik offers such a plan. (which I don't like, from a contributor perspective)

For the record: I'm more positive on instant pay programs.
I misunderstood then. Sorry! Although I don't see the difference between Freepik and other programs (except Adobe currently having a 1-yr limit). I see DP has the worst plan (IMHO) so far where you get a % cut instead of a flat amount. SS already has a program too, and while I have not seen any details about it, I doubt their terms will be very good, going by their history.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: farbled on August 02, 2021, 11:17
No, I don't think that the older images will have much life, hence why I'm not so bothered to give them away for as little as $5.

Travel must be very different. My best sellers are still the ones that are 10-15 years old, still going every day. :)

Edit to add: Every niche in MS is different (buyers/sellers/quality/etc.) so what is true for one sector can be very different for another.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Roscoe on August 02, 2021, 11:40
I misunderstood then. Sorry! Although I don't see the difference between Freepik and other programs (except Adobe currently having a 1-yr limit). I see DP has the worst plan (IMHO) so far where you get a % cut instead of a flat amount. SS already has a program too, and while I have not seen any details about it, I doubt their terms will be very good, going by their history.

No worries. I think the confusion comes from Freekpik buying images for their free collection from Wirestock via the Instant Pay program, but at the same time also having a premium and paid collection. I have no problem with the first, as I get to choose myself which images are included. Same for Adobe or Shutterstock. They can only buy it because I enlisted it.

Content from Freepik's premium (paid) collection can only be licensed via their subscription plans. 9.99 Euro per month, or 89.99 for 12 months. Content in the premium collection comes from contributors who upload to Freepik (and maybe via partnered sites, I honestly don't know). I compared that plan to streaming services like for instance Spotify. A flat fee for unlimited access to the content where contributors/artists are compensated in proportion to the downloads/streams they had. I read from Freepik contributors that it's terrible, and I hear from artists with content on streaming platforms that it's.. terrible. (unless you are able to pull off a huge amount of downloads/streams)


 
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: farbled on August 02, 2021, 11:48
No worries. I think the confusion comes from Freekpik buying images for their free collection from Wirestock via the Instant Pay program, but at the same time also having a premium and paid collection. I have no problem with the first, as I get to choose myself which images are included. Same for Adobe or Shutterstock. They can only buy it because I enlisted it.

Content from Freepik's premium (paid) collection can only be licensed via their subscription plans. 9.99 Euro per month, or 89.99 for 12 months. Content in the premium collection comes from contributors who upload to Freepik (and maybe via partnered sites, I honestly don't know). I compared that plan to streaming services like for instance Spotify. A flat fee for unlimited access to the content where contributors/artists are compensated in proportion to the downloads/streams they had. I read from Freepik contributors that it's terrible, and I hear from artists with content on streaming platforms that it's.. terrible. (unless you are able to pull off a huge amount of downloads/streams)
I getcha. I was mixed up in that I get a flat fee via Wirestock no matter which platform takes it, inlcuing freepik. I didn't know freepik had other offerings. To me, I never worried or bothered with them due to their poor reputation.

I do think that oversupply is the number one cause of all the troubles though. As long as agencies consider all stock photos as being equal, I don't see it improving for the majority. The (few) ones who do the work on all the other parts of the industry (research, keys, marketing) will continue to make the good money I think. I think the tech is advanced enough anyone can take a decent technically acceptable photo. It will be those who know what sells that make the money. :)

Edit to add: I wonder if people would be more upset or less upset if they saw the stats for their downloads in the "free" sections. :) I did contribute to a few places like Unsplash to see how they worked (and whether I could monetize somehow). I can honestly say that the massive downloads are the exception rather than the norm, at least in my case.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Roscoe on August 02, 2021, 12:11
Edit to add: I wonder if people would be more upset or less upset if they saw the stats for their downloads in the "free" sections. :) I did contribute to a few places like Unsplash to see how they worked (and whether I could monetize somehow). I can honestly say that the massive downloads are the exception rather than the norm, at least in my case.

I only see two ways to monetize free content: as a stepping stone to paid content, or donations.
Pexels for instance offers the possibility to donate to the contributor.
Not my game, but some contributors seem to be happy with that, receiving "a few" donations per month. 
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: farbled on August 02, 2021, 13:28
I only see two ways to monetize free content: as a stepping stone to paid content, or donations.
Pexels for instance offers the possibility to donate to the contributor.
Not my game, but some contributors seem to be happy with that, receiving "a few" donations per month.
I belonged to a few of the forums for these sites, and the main argument from a lot of them (their words not mine) was, "why would I go through all the hassles of stock to make a few cents?" In light of the past year its a hard point to argue when one only has a few dozen photos (like the majority of these guys).

I think many of them just like to see their photos in use, some use it for marketing their (paid) portfolios, and some get paid work through them too via direct contact (same forums have sections for that too), plus the donations. Some make a tonne of money doing that.

I'm not talking them up, honest. I personally didn't get too much value from them except as referrals to stock. And most of those referrals don't do well since the Unsplash's of the world are more about art than stock (in my opinion). I don't feel threatened by them at all, since I believe stock is more about the utility of a photo, instead of the aesthetic.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Brasilnut on August 03, 2021, 03:02
Alex/brasilnut:
#No, I don't think that the older images will have much life, hence why I'm not so bothered to give them away for as little as $5.#

You meant also in case of older travel photos, photos from cities...

I totally agree, if these photos got uploaded already.

But I stopped uploading photos of travel genre when covid arrived and I hope(!), I will upload these ´old´ photos from 2020 soon and that they still have a chance to get sales.
Do you agree?

2020 was a strange year and anything captured then probably has value, perhaps not now but in 10-20 years' time as vintage.

I can see some of the Covid pics being used in 2030 on the 10-year anniversary and then 20-year anniversary and so on.

Even if they not directly related to Covid there may be something special about that particular strange year.

I'd still upload them now, they earn nothing from being in the HD and not on offer :)
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: kall3bu on August 03, 2021, 05:58
Alex/brasilnut:
#No, I don't think that the older images will have much life, hence why I'm not so bothered to give them away for as little as $5.#

You meant also in case of older travel photos, photos from cities...

I totally agree, if these photos got uploaded already.

But I stopped uploading photos of travel genre when covid arrived and I hope(!), I will upload these ´old´ photos from 2020 soon and that they still have a chance to get sales.
Do you agree?

2020 was a strange year and anything captured then probably has value, perhaps not now but in 10-20 years' time as vintage.

I can see some of the Covid pics being used in 2030 on the 10-year anniversary and then 20-year anniversary and so on.

Even if they not directly related to Covid there may be something special about that particular strange year.

I'd still upload them now, they earn nothing from being in the HD and not on offer :)

Well, covid related travel photos I uploaded directly. I only stopped uploading not covid related photos and still waiting to upload them, because they are from countries, which now still in lockdown. The only agency I might upload already now or in the time of shot (2020) would be Alamy, because there - I guess - not the time of uploading is that important - especially if from places alamy does not have many. On Alamy that photos will find their way to the customer whenever searched for. But the other agencies I guess it is better to wait until that places of shots are open for tourists again.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: cascoly on August 03, 2021, 16:40
No, I don't think that the older images will have much life, hence why I'm not so bothered to give them away for as little as $5.

Travel must be very different. My best sellers are still the ones that are 10-15 years old, still going every day. :)

Edit to add: Every niche in MS is different (buyers/sellers/quality/etc.) so what is true for one sector can be very different for another.

and niches w/in niches - travel images are still the majority of my sales - even from places like egyptian pyramids, Paris, Venice, Angkor Wat, etc.  along with nature pics from Peru trekking & Machu Picchu to Mt Rainier.  age from 20 years to current - doesn't seem top matter much (the ruins & mountains look the same except for retreating glaciers which most buyers wouldn't notice)
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Dave on August 06, 2021, 19:25
Look let me say firtsly that I get the best ROI on my images and video on AS, BUT and it is a big BUT AS is a multinational corporation that is in it to make a profit from OUR CREATIONS, I repeat OUR CREATIONS and what worries me is that this is the thin edge of the wedge.
I personally will not be taking up this offer.
The thing that worries me on top of everything else is will they write their Algo's to disatvantage the ones that do not participate.
We have seen other Libraries go from giving US a fair return on OUR investment to basically ripping us off over the years.

Please all stay safe in the times of Covid and don't be distracted.
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: marthamarks on August 06, 2021, 23:04
sales in general have been pretty good across all agencies for me in July. Surprising, because it's generally speaking not a good month in microstockworld. I can only hope it lasts.

I've seen the same thing too, across all my sites. And when the upfront payment from Adobe is added in, it gave me a much better month than usual.

Another thing I noticed from AS was a nice burst of sales of images that haven't ever before sold much if at all.

If that should become a typical July, I'd take it!
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: For Real on August 07, 2021, 10:21
I wonder if they will do another round of the $5 purchases? I didn't get very many of my images selected on the first round...
Title: Re: Adobe Stock Upfront Royalty Payment Opportunity
Post by: Uncle Pete on August 07, 2021, 10:31
I wonder if they will do another round of the $5 purchases? I didn't get very many of my images selected on the first round...

If you read what Mat posted, they were very selective and didn't take many. That would mean, not many from anyone.


The free collection will be limited in size. It is important to note that it's highly unlikely we will accept every photo you nominate. We have been and continue to closely monitor the free collection to ensure there is no cannibalization of the paid collection. The size of the collection will offer breadth but not depth. In other words, we will have images available for a vast range of search queries, but not so many results that more than the basic needs are satisfied. The free collection is a tool used to draw new customers in so they can see how vast the paid collection is for a deeper selection of relevant stock content. This has worked well the past year which is what has prompted this current refresh.

thanks for all the questions everyone,

Mat Hayward

The program is continuing, it wasn't one and done. So there are still opportunities if you have what they wanted.


As I get more information, I'll be sure to update everyone here. Right now, we need to evaluate the impact of the most recent changes and gauge where adjustements are needed. This will be an ongoing process between now and September 30 and will take some time.
Thanks everyone,

Mat Hayward