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Uncle Pete

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« Reply #350 on: July 07, 2021, 10:53 »
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Whether you accepted this deal or not, it will hurt us all.
Don't fool yourself, buyers will always take the free image, if it represents their needs, no matter the quality.I hope I am wrong.
I am already seeing the results (one free image), I had just six small downloads this month, none today, I haven't seen this for a long time.

Lets look at the calendar and the "already seeing results" observation. Wow, July 1-6 anyone who watches downloads would recognize a long July 4th weekend is always terrible for sales. You are seeing what you want to see, because you don't like the idea of attracting new customers, with a minimal free offer.

This isn't anything about devaluing our work, it is about bringing in new buyers.

Yes, discounting for purposes of competition is terrible for everyone. We can all see how that works with other agencies, lowering prices and values. No one wins. Well the suits will win, because if they can get volume up and make it appear they are making more money, they get the bonus. In profits, even the company loses by that strategy. Easiest way to make more money is cut the cost of goods. Pay us less!

Anyone here still submitting to Deposit? Why? Talk about devaluing our markets and assets.

DP offers this:

A collection of 1,227,123 files: Get unlimited downloads for just $4.99
Get access to a library of 69,427 free files


While Adobe is simply trying to attract new customers. I'll suspect they make money from the CC subscriptions, and images are a minor side expense. We still get paid the same as they promised when they raised the commissions after buying FT. What other agency has held our values, since 2014 and not cut commissions?



« Reply #351 on: July 07, 2021, 12:29 »
+6
Covid, summer, oversuply, free image sites, I'm surprised we're earning anything at all.

« Reply #352 on: July 07, 2021, 14:02 »
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Whether you accepted this deal or not, it will hurt us all.
Don't fool yourself, buyers will always take the free image, if it represents their needs, no matter the quality.I hope I am wrong.
I am already seeing the results (one free image), I had just six small downloads this month, none today, I haven't seen this for a long time.

Lets look at the calendar and the "already seeing results" observation. Wow, July 1-6 anyone who watches downloads would recognize a long July 4th weekend is always terrible for sales. You are seeing what you want to see, because you don't like the idea of attracting new customers, with a minimal free offer.

This isn't anything about devaluing our work, it is about bringing in new buyers.

Yes, discounting for purposes of competition is terrible for everyone. We can all see how that works with other agencies, lowering prices and values. No one wins. Well the suits will win, because if they can get volume up and make it appear they are making more money, they get the bonus. In profits, even the company loses by that strategy. Easiest way to make more money is cut the cost of goods. Pay us less!

Anyone here still submitting to Deposit? Why? Talk about devaluing our markets and assets.

DP offers this:

A collection of 1,227,123 files: Get unlimited downloads for just $4.99
Get access to a library of 69,427 free files


While Adobe is simply trying to attract new customers. I'll suspect they make money from the CC subscriptions, and images are a minor side expense. We still get paid the same as they promised when they raised the commissions after buying FT. What other agency has held our values, since 2014 and not cut commissions?


I didn't understand all of your comment because, as usual, you are jumping from one subject to the other (no offence) but I will answer some of your questions.

1. "This isn't anything about devaluing our work, it is about bringing in new buyers."

We've been feed up with this from the beginning of times and it never happened.

2. "Anyone here still submitting to Deposit? Why? Talk about devaluing our markets and assets."

You are always talking about agencies you don't submit to.
DP is my third agency, it earns me more money than DT, so why not?

Also, the DPC of FT earned the most at this agency, much more than the raised commission of AS but how could those who didn't participate know about this?



I wish you are right this time and we will be invaded by new buyers.

Btw, aren't you uploading through Wirestock?

« Reply #353 on: July 07, 2021, 15:12 »
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Covid, summer, oversuply, free image sites, I'm surprised we're earning anything at all.

Exactly... Thing is ppl will assume a lot depending on their point of view. I'm more on positive side because I constantly being contacted by ppl and company's that found my work on stock sites like Adobe or even SS. And those ppl are professionals with budgets and they never fish for free stuff and are ready and "surprisingly" ready to pay top price. Their priorities aren't what we would think. Free stuff and low commissions are product of agencies looking for bigger profits, competition against other agencies and in many cases price of product dosnt change only part for contributors getting smaller. They can afford losing contributors but not customers.
 I finding Adobe offer 12 months free best in industry right now where other agencies give you option to offer free stuff as a promotion but without any compensation... Because why would they if you want to offer it for free?
  Adobe came to us seeing our assets sitting and doing nothing, and fact that they offered to pay is sight of respect to our work and acknowledgement of our rights to that assets.

« Reply #354 on: July 07, 2021, 19:42 »
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  Adobe came to us seeing our assets sitting and doing nothing, and fact that they offered to pay is sight of respect to our work and acknowledgement of our rights to that assets.

SS also does that thru wirestock's instant pay program

« Reply #355 on: July 08, 2021, 01:06 »
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  Adobe came to us seeing our assets sitting and doing nothing, and fact that they offered to pay is sight of respect to our work and acknowledgement of our rights to that assets.

SS also does that thru wirestock's instant pay program
Isnt it free forever? That is bad idea. Wirestock is part of SS and you basicly helping them to take even more of your money like 10c is still to much for you it's your decision. In my opinion financially it's worst you can do to yourself.
My workflow is few times faster from wirestock from upload to approve state and I upload to around 15 agencies with a pressing of one button but yes it isn't free as well. I pay up to $20 per month to Stocksubmiter to do most of my upload work. If you earn $ 100 per month its not good but if you earn couple thousends it's nothing compared to percent Wirestock takes. But everyone value his own work differently and need to establish what works the best for them.

Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #356 on: July 10, 2021, 08:47 »
0
Whether you accepted this deal or not, it will hurt us all.
Don't fool yourself, buyers will always take the free image, if it represents their needs, no matter the quality.I hope I am wrong.
I am already seeing the results (one free image), I had just six small downloads this month, none today, I haven't seen this for a long time.

Lets look at the calendar and the "already seeing results" observation. Wow, July 1-6 anyone who watches downloads would recognize a long July 4th weekend is always terrible for sales. You are seeing what you want to see, because you don't like the idea of attracting new customers, with a minimal free offer.

This isn't anything about devaluing our work, it is about bringing in new buyers.

Yes, discounting for purposes of competition is terrible for everyone. We can all see how that works with other agencies, lowering prices and values. No one wins. Well the suits will win, because if they can get volume up and make it appear they are making more money, they get the bonus. In profits, even the company loses by that strategy. Easiest way to make more money is cut the cost of goods. Pay us less!

Anyone here still submitting to Deposit? Why? Talk about devaluing our markets and assets.

DP offers this:

A collection of 1,227,123 files: Get unlimited downloads for just $4.99
Get access to a library of 69,427 free files


While Adobe is simply trying to attract new customers. I'll suspect they make money from the CC subscriptions, and images are a minor side expense. We still get paid the same as they promised when they raised the commissions after buying FT. What other agency has held our values, since 2014 and not cut commissions?


I didn't understand all of your comment because, as usual, you are jumping from one subject to the other (no offence) but I will answer some of your questions.

1. "This isn't anything about devaluing our work, it is about bringing in new buyers."

We've been feed up with this from the beginning of times and it never happened.

2. "Anyone here still submitting to Deposit? Why? Talk about devaluing our markets and assets."

You are always talking about agencies you don't submit to.
DP is my third agency, it earns me more money than DT, so why not?

Also, the DPC of FT earned the most at this agency, much more than the raised commission of AS but how could those who didn't participate know about this?



I wish you are right this time and we will be invaded by new buyers.

Btw, aren't you uploading through Wirestock?

Supporting agencies that "hurt us all", is the point. DP whether it makes you money or not, hurts the entire market. Your point was that free images used as marketing "hurt us all". I think supporting the bottom feeder agencies, the price and value cutting agencies and the ones that have shown over the years that they can't be trusted = hurts us all.

Yeah, new buyers are always good, I'd agree. I don't think this will cause a big jump or a flood of new buyers and sales. But I also don't think it's going to hurt.

DPC go back and read the forum comments. Seems that just like the one year for one payment of Adobe is just about equally as popular. LOL I know someone else who said his sales from DPC were very good and made more. You aren't alone.

The worst of these schemes had to have been the Dollar Photo Club, with a 10 image a month subscription for $10, with rollovers. Until Getty came up with Premium Access that netted contributors fractions of a cent per download that is :)

And whatever Connect really is for fractions of a cent?

Also right on target for this new idea from Adobe:
Most of the changes since have been either agencies trying to poach business from one another, not increasing the pool of buyers, or dropping any idea of acceptance standards to increase the supply of images - more of the same, not so much expanding the type of imagery available to buyers.

Except, maybe, and I'm just being hopeful, that more people subscribing to CC who are not already stock photo users, will bring us more income? New Buyers.

Back to your original and my disagreement. You are looking at the first week of July and already seeing negative changes, because of the free images? Give it some time and not the potentially one of the worst weeks of the year.

Oh and I almost didn't answer. I upload to everywhere on Wirestock, because I give up. I'm still uploading to SS and Adobe on my own. In effect, you are correct a contradiction. I dropped DP, 123, and the rest, years ago. I found P5 for photos, a hopeless effort. DT I might make payout by 2024? But correct, new Crapstock is going to all without any concern for ethics, bottom feeders, or that one of them might be out of business in a year.

Show me the money!

I'm saying that trying to fight against the price cutters, the race to the bottom or unethical agencies, does nothing. The petitions, protests or leaving, has no effect. (except make less for me?) I gave up caring. But I do still have control over what goes where, and my best images, go to Adobe.

I got $5 for an image that hasn't earned $5 in it's lifetime across all agencies, including Wirestock. I'm happy.  ;D

I don't know if this free collection will hurt or not or if we'll actually be able to see any observable effect. How does anyone know what caused an increase or drop, as an individual? I'd say we don't. If my Adobe sales go up, am I allowed to assume (incorrectly) that it's a result of the free collection? Neither can I assume that any immediate and recent drop is because of a new free collection.

« Reply #357 on: July 10, 2021, 11:03 »
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Quote from: Uncle Pete on July 10, 2021]Back to your original and my disagreement. You are looking at the first week of July and already seeing negative changes, because of the free images? Give it some time and not the potentially one of the worst weeks of the year.
What is your problem man? I just shared my thoughts just like so many others. You don't need to agree with me, neither do I. If you want to sound credible about other agencies, quote someone who speaks from experience. I really appreciate Joe Ann's input here on the forum but she never participated in DPC, on the contrary, so the wrong example.
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I dropped DP, 123, and the rest, years ago. I found P5 for photos, a hopeless effort. DT I might make payout by 2024? But correct, new Crapstock is going to all without any concern for ethics, bottom feeders, or that one of them might be out of business in a year.
Oh yeah, this business is the best place for concerns for ethics. "No honor among thieves", right?
 
I wish I had $0.10 for each time you criticized people for contributing to agencies you don't like and these unethical people like myself just don't listen to wise advice.


Wish you a nice day!
« Last Edit: July 10, 2021, 11:09 by Dodie »

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #358 on: July 10, 2021, 13:24 »
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Quote from: Uncle Pete on July 10, 2021]Back to your original and my disagreement. You are looking at the first week of July and already seeing negative changes, because of the free images? Give it some time and not the potentially one of the worst weeks of the year.
What is your problem man? I just shared my thoughts just like so many others. You don't need to agree with me, neither do I. If you want to sound credible about other agencies, quote someone who speaks from experience. I really appreciate Joe Ann's input here on the forum but she never participated in DPC, on the contrary, so the wrong example.
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I dropped DP, 123, and the rest, years ago. I found P5 for photos, a hopeless effort. DT I might make payout by 2024? But correct, new Crapstock is going to all without any concern for ethics, bottom feeders, or that one of them might be out of business in a year.
Oh yeah, this business is the best place for concerns for ethics. "No honor among thieves", right?
 
I wish I had $0.10 for each time you criticized people for contributing to agencies you don't like and these unethical people like myself just don't listen to wise advice.


Wish you a nice day!

You could have marked that a hypocrite alert, as I changed when I clicked DP on Wirestock, which means I have some of mine for download there, again. I really shouldn't do that, should I?

No one said you are unethical. (I did say DP was) You started with

"Quote from: Dodie on July 06, 2021, 13:48

    Whether you accepted this deal or not, it will hurt us all.
    Don't fool yourself, buyers will always take the free image, if it represents their needs, no matter the quality.I hope I am wrong.
    I am already seeing the results (one free image), I had just six small downloads this month, none today, I haven't seen this for a long time."

How you could see the effects of the free images already. I pointed out, it was the first week of July which is a crummy week anyway.

"it will hurt us all" and I say so does supporting the price cutting bottom feeders. But you want to stick with, Free on Adobe has already made your earnings worse.  ;D

I say, give it a few months and after that, see what you see. And I also said, individual results are not valid, so if your sales are down and someone has better sales, then what's the point.

I also said, complaining, protesting, dropping agencies and avoiding the bottom feeders, does nothing, so I've changed my position to I'll take the money.

Since I used to contribute to over 25 agencies, writing about any agency is pretty much what you say, one I don't contribute to, and it's not a matter of like or don't like and you don't have to listen to me. I have a personal opinion. Just like I also added that some people said DPC was great and they made good money. Some didn't like the concept and left FT. Personal choice.

Some people think exclusive on IS is the perfect answer. I think it's limiting. Some people say no one should upload anything to SS, but I make more money there than anyplace else. Some don't like the Upfront Payment, I allowed a bunch of images, that don't sell well. That's easy, isn't it.

So do what you want, we all do. Make your own decisions. But please don't tell me that sales are down because of free images, and you can see it already because your sales are down, in a week. My sales are up, and I got $5 for doing nothing besides? Neither proves anything, and in a year, no one else will be able to give a valid opinion of how this free offer changed the market, based on their individual personal sales.

Try to separate personal opinion from unsubstantiated claims.

« Reply #359 on: July 22, 2021, 08:06 »
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Curius to know if anybody got that 5 $/image from Adobe uploaded via wirestock and how wirestock inform about it.

« Reply #360 on: Yesterday at 09:12 »
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Curius to know if anybody got that 5 $/image from Adobe uploaded via wirestock and how wirestock inform about it.
I got a few 4.25$ commissions last month, so these might be Adobe instant pay.
Got a few 3.4$ commissions this month, and I guess these are from Shutterstock.

It's only guessing, as these two are buying images for their free collection nowadays.
WireStock doesn't seem to report in which free collection the image ends up, so it might be Freepik as well.


« Reply #361 on: Yesterday at 23:39 »
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The free image wholesale offer (which I didn't sign up to) must be going really well as my sales have completely stopped.

« Reply #362 on: Today at 02:42 »
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Curius to know if anybody got that 5 $/image from Adobe uploaded via wirestock and how wirestock inform about it.
I got a few 4.25$ commissions last month, so these might be Adobe instant pay.
Got a few 3.4$ commissions this month, and I guess these are from Shutterstock.

It's only guessing, as these two are buying images for their free collection nowadays.
WireStock doesn't seem to report in which free collection the image ends up, so it might be Freepik as well.

Thx for the information!

I just got today some sales for 3,83$ - different again.
I am just curious to know from whom how much and will ask wirestock, who for sure will give clear answer, if they can. Then for the future we will know it better.
BTW: The photos I sold are my worst photos ever I took and just submit because the better ones were from the same shot, so it was easy for keywording. LOL

« Reply #363 on: Today at 02:45 »
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The free image wholesale offer (which I didn't sign up to) must be going really well as my sales have completely stopped.

If - like in my case - the worst photos go for free even they were able to select the better ones either, but not did, then I guess the competition does not matter that much.

« Reply #364 on: Today at 05:50 »
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My instant photos for 3,83$/photo were from shutterstock.
Unfortunally they did not tell me about the other agencies (4,25 and 3,40).


 

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