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farbled

« Reply #375 on: August 02, 2021, 11:12 »
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I didn't make myself fully clear. I was referring to the flat fee unlimited downloads plans, where the income afterwards is divided over contributors in proportion to their downloads. Freepik offers such a plan. (which I don't like, from a contributor perspective)

For the record: I'm more positive on instant pay programs.
I misunderstood then. Sorry! Although I don't see the difference between Freepik and other programs (except Adobe currently having a 1-yr limit). I see DP has the worst plan (IMHO) so far where you get a % cut instead of a flat amount. SS already has a program too, and while I have not seen any details about it, I doubt their terms will be very good, going by their history.


farbled

« Reply #376 on: August 02, 2021, 11:17 »
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No, I don't think that the older images will have much life, hence why I'm not so bothered to give them away for as little as $5.

Travel must be very different. My best sellers are still the ones that are 10-15 years old, still going every day. :)

Edit to add: Every niche in MS is different (buyers/sellers/quality/etc.) so what is true for one sector can be very different for another.
« Last Edit: August 02, 2021, 11:22 by farbled »

« Reply #377 on: August 02, 2021, 11:40 »
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I misunderstood then. Sorry! Although I don't see the difference between Freepik and other programs (except Adobe currently having a 1-yr limit). I see DP has the worst plan (IMHO) so far where you get a % cut instead of a flat amount. SS already has a program too, and while I have not seen any details about it, I doubt their terms will be very good, going by their history.

No worries. I think the confusion comes from Freekpik buying images for their free collection from Wirestock via the Instant Pay program, but at the same time also having a premium and paid collection. I have no problem with the first, as I get to choose myself which images are included. Same for Adobe or Shutterstock. They can only buy it because I enlisted it.

Content from Freepik's premium (paid) collection can only be licensed via their subscription plans. 9.99 Euro per month, or 89.99 for 12 months. Content in the premium collection comes from contributors who upload to Freepik (and maybe via partnered sites, I honestly don't know). I compared that plan to streaming services like for instance Spotify. A flat fee for unlimited access to the content where contributors/artists are compensated in proportion to the downloads/streams they had. I read from Freepik contributors that it's terrible, and I hear from artists with content on streaming platforms that it's.. terrible. (unless you are able to pull off a huge amount of downloads/streams)


 

farbled

« Reply #378 on: August 02, 2021, 11:48 »
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No worries. I think the confusion comes from Freekpik buying images for their free collection from Wirestock via the Instant Pay program, but at the same time also having a premium and paid collection. I have no problem with the first, as I get to choose myself which images are included. Same for Adobe or Shutterstock. They can only buy it because I enlisted it.

Content from Freepik's premium (paid) collection can only be licensed via their subscription plans. 9.99 Euro per month, or 89.99 for 12 months. Content in the premium collection comes from contributors who upload to Freepik (and maybe via partnered sites, I honestly don't know). I compared that plan to streaming services like for instance Spotify. A flat fee for unlimited access to the content where contributors/artists are compensated in proportion to the downloads/streams they had. I read from Freepik contributors that it's terrible, and I hear from artists with content on streaming platforms that it's.. terrible. (unless you are able to pull off a huge amount of downloads/streams)
I getcha. I was mixed up in that I get a flat fee via Wirestock no matter which platform takes it, inlcuing freepik. I didn't know freepik had other offerings. To me, I never worried or bothered with them due to their poor reputation.

I do think that oversupply is the number one cause of all the troubles though. As long as agencies consider all stock photos as being equal, I don't see it improving for the majority. The (few) ones who do the work on all the other parts of the industry (research, keys, marketing) will continue to make the good money I think. I think the tech is advanced enough anyone can take a decent technically acceptable photo. It will be those who know what sells that make the money. :)

Edit to add: I wonder if people would be more upset or less upset if they saw the stats for their downloads in the "free" sections. :) I did contribute to a few places like Unsplash to see how they worked (and whether I could monetize somehow). I can honestly say that the massive downloads are the exception rather than the norm, at least in my case.
« Last Edit: August 02, 2021, 11:52 by farbled »

« Reply #379 on: August 02, 2021, 12:11 »
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Edit to add: I wonder if people would be more upset or less upset if they saw the stats for their downloads in the "free" sections. :) I did contribute to a few places like Unsplash to see how they worked (and whether I could monetize somehow). I can honestly say that the massive downloads are the exception rather than the norm, at least in my case.

I only see two ways to monetize free content: as a stepping stone to paid content, or donations.
Pexels for instance offers the possibility to donate to the contributor.
Not my game, but some contributors seem to be happy with that, receiving "a few" donations per month. 

farbled

« Reply #380 on: August 02, 2021, 13:28 »
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I only see two ways to monetize free content: as a stepping stone to paid content, or donations.
Pexels for instance offers the possibility to donate to the contributor.
Not my game, but some contributors seem to be happy with that, receiving "a few" donations per month.
I belonged to a few of the forums for these sites, and the main argument from a lot of them (their words not mine) was, "why would I go through all the hassles of stock to make a few cents?" In light of the past year its a hard point to argue when one only has a few dozen photos (like the majority of these guys).

I think many of them just like to see their photos in use, some use it for marketing their (paid) portfolios, and some get paid work through them too via direct contact (same forums have sections for that too), plus the donations. Some make a tonne of money doing that.

I'm not talking them up, honest. I personally didn't get too much value from them except as referrals to stock. And most of those referrals don't do well since the Unsplash's of the world are more about art than stock (in my opinion). I don't feel threatened by them at all, since I believe stock is more about the utility of a photo, instead of the aesthetic.

Brasilnut

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« Reply #381 on: August 03, 2021, 03:02 »
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Alex/brasilnut:
#No, I don't think that the older images will have much life, hence why I'm not so bothered to give them away for as little as $5.#

You meant also in case of older travel photos, photos from cities...

I totally agree, if these photos got uploaded already.

But I stopped uploading photos of travel genre when covid arrived and I hope(!), I will upload these old photos from 2020 soon and that they still have a chance to get sales.
Do you agree?

2020 was a strange year and anything captured then probably has value, perhaps not now but in 10-20 years' time as vintage.

I can see some of the Covid pics being used in 2030 on the 10-year anniversary and then 20-year anniversary and so on.

Even if they not directly related to Covid there may be something special about that particular strange year.

I'd still upload them now, they earn nothing from being in the HD and not on offer :)

« Reply #382 on: August 03, 2021, 05:58 »
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Alex/brasilnut:
#No, I don't think that the older images will have much life, hence why I'm not so bothered to give them away for as little as $5.#

You meant also in case of older travel photos, photos from cities...

I totally agree, if these photos got uploaded already.

But I stopped uploading photos of travel genre when covid arrived and I hope(!), I will upload these old photos from 2020 soon and that they still have a chance to get sales.
Do you agree?

2020 was a strange year and anything captured then probably has value, perhaps not now but in 10-20 years' time as vintage.

I can see some of the Covid pics being used in 2030 on the 10-year anniversary and then 20-year anniversary and so on.

Even if they not directly related to Covid there may be something special about that particular strange year.

I'd still upload them now, they earn nothing from being in the HD and not on offer :)

Well, covid related travel photos I uploaded directly. I only stopped uploading not covid related photos and still waiting to upload them, because they are from countries, which now still in lockdown. The only agency I might upload already now or in the time of shot (2020) would be Alamy, because there - I guess - not the time of uploading is that important - especially if from places alamy does not have many. On Alamy that photos will find their way to the customer whenever searched for. But the other agencies I guess it is better to wait until that places of shots are open for tourists again.

« Reply #383 on: August 03, 2021, 16:40 »
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No, I don't think that the older images will have much life, hence why I'm not so bothered to give them away for as little as $5.

Travel must be very different. My best sellers are still the ones that are 10-15 years old, still going every day. :)

Edit to add: Every niche in MS is different (buyers/sellers/quality/etc.) so what is true for one sector can be very different for another.

and niches w/in niches - travel images are still the majority of my sales - even from places like egyptian pyramids, Paris, Venice, Angkor Wat, etc.  along with nature pics from Peru trekking & Machu Picchu to Mt Rainier.  age from 20 years to current - doesn't seem top matter much (the ruins & mountains look the same except for retreating glaciers which most buyers wouldn't notice)

« Reply #384 on: August 06, 2021, 19:25 »
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Look let me say firtsly that I get the best ROI on my images and video on AS, BUT and it is a big BUT AS is a multinational corporation that is in it to make a profit from OUR CREATIONS, I repeat OUR CREATIONS and what worries me is that this is the thin edge of the wedge.
I personally will not be taking up this offer.
The thing that worries me on top of everything else is will they write their Algo's to disatvantage the ones that do not participate.
We have seen other Libraries go from giving US a fair return on OUR investment to basically ripping us off over the years.

Please all stay safe in the times of Covid and don't be distracted.

« Reply #385 on: August 06, 2021, 23:04 »
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sales in general have been pretty good across all agencies for me in July. Surprising, because it's generally speaking not a good month in microstockworld. I can only hope it lasts.

I've seen the same thing too, across all my sites. And when the upfront payment from Adobe is added in, it gave me a much better month than usual.

Another thing I noticed from AS was a nice burst of sales of images that haven't ever before sold much if at all.

If that should become a typical July, I'd take it!

« Reply #386 on: August 07, 2021, 10:21 »
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I wonder if they will do another round of the $5 purchases? I didn't get very many of my images selected on the first round...

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #387 on: August 07, 2021, 10:31 »
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I wonder if they will do another round of the $5 purchases? I didn't get very many of my images selected on the first round...

If you read what Mat posted, they were very selective and didn't take many. That would mean, not many from anyone.


The free collection will be limited in size. It is important to note that it's highly unlikely we will accept every photo you nominate. We have been and continue to closely monitor the free collection to ensure there is no cannibalization of the paid collection. The size of the collection will offer breadth but not depth. In other words, we will have images available for a vast range of search queries, but not so many results that more than the basic needs are satisfied. The free collection is a tool used to draw new customers in so they can see how vast the paid collection is for a deeper selection of relevant stock content. This has worked well the past year which is what has prompted this current refresh.

thanks for all the questions everyone,

Mat Hayward

The program is continuing, it wasn't one and done. So there are still opportunities if you have what they wanted.


As I get more information, I'll be sure to update everyone here. Right now, we need to evaluate the impact of the most recent changes and gauge where adjustements are needed. This will be an ongoing process between now and September 30 and will take some time.
Thanks everyone,

Mat Hayward


 

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