Author Topic: Adobe Terms (Read 26535 times)

Trippy · « **Reply #50 on:** April 04, 2019, 13:12 »

Quote from: Dennis Radeke on April 04, 2019, 12:58

Quote from: Trippy on April 03, 2019, 11:10
I don't think a few people deleting a few thousand clips is anything for Adobe to be worried about.

Well, on the other hand, we really do care about making our contributors successful and would be delighted to have all contributors contribute directly, but want the market to have a choice. We believe Adobe Stock will continue to grow and evolve to become the #1 destination and that contributing directly will provide the best benefit to you and to our customers.

Make sense?

Thanks,
Dennis

If you really do care about your contributors how about raising their royalty?

That would send massive ripples throughout the stock industry!

It would show just how serious Adobe is.

panicAttack · « **Reply #51 on:** April 05, 2019, 01:18 »

Copy paste from another topic:

OK, after I slept this over, after long conversation with IRS yesterday I would like to share my experience and knowledge to everyone concerned about AdobeStock, 1042s forms and taxes, and there are people who asked me about that so I would like to say it public for everyone who wants to know. I am talking only about withheld tax when adobe was US-based company for non us contributors, nothing else.

I need to be fair to AdobeStock, as I already wrote on this topic before, they are becoming friendly stock company and getting better earner at least for me. After I wrote my concern about getting paid from Adobe Canada, and not getting 1042s form from them, just signed letters, even that's contrary from what is stated on irs.gov official site, we can use that letter along with other sites 1042s form for tax return, and as long as we are getting adobestock withheld tax returned there is nothing to worry about.

That's it from me about this theme.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #52 on:** April 05, 2019, 09:51 »

Quote from: panicAttack on April 05, 2019, 01:18

Copy paste from another topic:

OK, after I slept this over, after long conversation with IRS yesterday I would like to share my experience and knowledge to everyone concerned about AdobeStock, 1042s forms and taxes, and there are people who asked me about that so I would like to say it public for everyone who wants to know. I am talking only about withheld tax when adobe was US-based company for non us contributors, nothing else.

I need to be fair to AdobeStock, as I already wrote on this topic before, they are becoming friendly stock company and getting better earner at least for me. After I wrote my concern about getting paid from Adobe Canada, and not getting 1042s form from them, just signed letters, even that's contrary from what is stated on irs.gov official site, we can use that letter along with other sites 1042s form for tax return, and as long as we are getting adobestock withheld tax returned there is nothing to worry about.

That's it from me about this theme.

Good news, and being in the US I was totally baffled by the whole situation. So as long as the IRS accept "the letter" everyone is fine.

obj owl · « **Reply #53 on:** April 05, 2019, 12:33 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on April 05, 2019, 09:51

Quote from: panicAttack on April 05, 2019, 01:18
Copy paste from another topic:

OK, after I slept this over, after long conversation with IRS yesterday I would like to share my experience and knowledge to everyone concerned about AdobeStock, 1042s forms and taxes, and there are people who asked me about that so I would like to say it public for everyone who wants to know. I am talking only about withheld tax when adobe was US-based company for non us contributors, nothing else.

I need to be fair to AdobeStock, as I already wrote on this topic before, they are becoming friendly stock company and getting better earner at least for me. After I wrote my concern about getting paid from Adobe Canada, and not getting 1042s form from them, just signed letters, even that's contrary from what is stated on irs.gov official site, we can use that letter along with other sites 1042s form for tax return, and as long as we are getting adobestock withheld tax returned there is nothing to worry about.

That's it from me about this theme.

Good news, and being in the US I was totally baffled by the whole situation. So as long as the IRS accept "the letter" everyone is fine.

Everyone is fine except for the Canadian tax authorities who are not getting their withholding tax.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #54 on:** April 05, 2019, 17:03 »

Quote from: obj owl on April 05, 2019, 12:33

Quote from: Uncle Pete on April 05, 2019, 09:51
Quote from: panicAttack on April 05, 2019, 01:18
Copy paste from another topic:

OK, after I slept this over, after long conversation with IRS yesterday I would like to share my experience and knowledge to everyone concerned about AdobeStock, 1042s forms and taxes, and there are people who asked me about that so I would like to say it public for everyone who wants to know. I am talking only about withheld tax when adobe was US-based company for non us contributors, nothing else.

I need to be fair to AdobeStock, as I already wrote on this topic before, they are becoming friendly stock company and getting better earner at least for me. After I wrote my concern about getting paid from Adobe Canada, and not getting 1042s form from them, just signed letters, even that's contrary from what is stated on irs.gov official site, we can use that letter along with other sites 1042s form for tax return, and as long as we are getting adobestock withheld tax returned there is nothing to worry about.

That's it from me about this theme.

Good news, and being in the US I was totally baffled by the whole situation. So as long as the IRS accept "the letter" everyone is fine.

Everyone is fine except for the Canadian tax authorities who are not getting their withholding tax.

Ah and once again that tangled web where I don't understand all the nuances. I suppose the Canadian tax people will want to look into this?

Pixart · « **Reply #55 on:** April 05, 2019, 23:30 »

I don't think Canada withholds (and note the word "think", I'm not sure). They are probably doing non-U.S. photographers a service by paying through a Canadian company. Remember that the IRS didn't get the bright idea to withhold until sometime in the last few years/decade. [Question - does Canstock withhold, they are Canadian and did the original Istock withhold?]

But.... they do have to issue documents to Canadian residents. Has anyone received those?

AND - if this contract went into effect on that date (without looking it up June 2018)..... they should not have collected taxes on International photographers since that date. Some non-treaty countries had 20- 30 - 40% withholding rates! If that's what I understand from above, and the contract was retroactive, Adobe better set it right.

9.1. Relationship. If you reside in the United States, your relationship is with Adobe Systems Incorporated, a United States company. If you reside outside of the United States, your relationship is with Adobe Canada Services Corporation, a Canadian company.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #56 on:** April 06, 2019, 10:16 »

Quote from: Pixart on April 05, 2019, 23:30

I don't think Canada withholds (and note the word "think", I'm not sure). They are probably doing non-U.S. photographers a service by paying through a Canadian company. Remember that the IRS didn't get the bright idea to withhold until sometime in the last few years/decade. [Question - does Canstock withhold, they are Canadian and did the original Istock withhold?]

But.... they do have to issue documents to Canadian residents. Has anyone received those?

AND - if this contract went into effect on that date (without looking it up June 2018)..... they should not have collected taxes on International photographers since that date. Some non-treaty countries had 20- 30 - 40% withholding rates! If that's what I understand from above, and the contract was retroactive, Adobe better set it right.

9.1. Relationship. If you reside in the United States, your relationship is with Adobe Systems Incorporated, a United States company. If you reside outside of the United States, your relationship is with Adobe Canada Services Corporation, a Canadian company.

About that withholding, that's why my paychecks have taxes taken out if I work for someone. (law in 1943) People would collect the money, spend it and then the IRS would be chasing to get paid. Now imagine them having to chase all over the world to get $20 from someone in Indonesia?

So of course they created withholding to solve that impossible collection nightmare.

I had to go look, but you made me do that.

Foreign Account Taxpayer Compliance Act of 2010 (FATCA) and there's also another part that I learned today (and will probably forget by tomorrow?)

FDAP is an abbreviation for Fixed, Determinable, Annual or Periodic income. FDAP income applies to foreign persons earning income in the U.S; such persons will be subject to 30% withholding tax, or a lower rate if there is a tax treaty between the United States and the country of residency.

Time to go plant tulips and wildflowers.

Danybot · « **Reply #57 on:** April 07, 2019, 16:16 »

Quote from: Pixart on April 05, 2019, 23:30

I don't think Canada withholds (and note the word "think", I'm not sure). They are probably doing non-U.S. photographers a service by paying through a Canadian company. Remember that the IRS didn't get the bright idea to withhold until sometime in the last few years/decade. [Question - does Canstock withhold, they are Canadian and did the original Istock withhold?]

But.... they do have to issue documents to Canadian residents. Has anyone received those?

AND - if this contract went into effect on that date (without looking it up June 2018)..... they should not have collected taxes on International photographers since that date. Some non-treaty countries had 20- 30 - 40% withholding rates! If that's what I understand from above, and the contract was retroactive, Adobe better set it right.

9.1. Relationship. If you reside in the United States, your relationship is with Adobe Systems Incorporated, a United States company. If you reside outside of the United States, your relationship is with Adobe Canada Services Corporation, a Canadian company.

Your guess is correct. Royalties are exempt from Canadian withholding tax "if the payment is made on, or for, a copyright for the production or reproduction of any literary, dramatic, musical, or artistic work."

https://www.canada.ca/en/revenue-agency/services/forms-publications/publications/t4061/nr4-non-resident-tax-withholding-remitting-reporting-2016.html#rents

Danybot · « **Reply #58 on:** April 07, 2019, 16:21 »

Further on the issue of tax on Canadians, it appears that royalty payments are exempt from GST/HST: https://www.sfu.ca/finance/departments/payments/tax-compliance/hst/hst-atoz-list.html

Adobe Canada should be issuing T5 slips to Canadians to report the royalty payments (I remember that istockphoto used to do this when they were located in Canada before becoming part of Getty).

Dumc · « **Reply #59 on:** April 10, 2019, 12:00 »

Any of yall had any EL sales through adobe and how much idid you get (rank)? I had yesterday one for 25$ so I'm guessing this is from Fotolia?

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #60 on:** April 10, 2019, 13:40 »

Quote from: Trippy on April 04, 2019, 13:12

If you really do care about your contributors how about raising their royalty?

That would send massive ripples throughout the stock industry!

It would show just how serious Adobe is.

Just a note, you might have missed, Adobe did raise our commissions. Not a big number, but they raised the minimum, and o some reason, most of my subs, and I mean over 50% are 99c, some are 66c and probably the second most value is 33c. I am not a high rank or anything special from FT levels. Considering what others pay, AS is raising the bar and offering us more in real numbers.

I wouldn't be against adding new levels and incentives. Unlike the places that essentially set higher and higher quotas which are a disincentive and slap in our face. Like the RC or changing "consolidation" of levels or that absurd Big Stock 50,000 downloads bonus. Although AS might be doing away with levels altogether when FT closes.

All pretty confusing.

cathyslife · « **Reply #61 on:** April 10, 2019, 13:54 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on April 10, 2019, 13:40

snip Just a note, you might have missed, Adobe did raise our commissions. Not a big number, but they raised the minimum, and o some reason, most of my subs, and I mean over 50% are 99c, some are 66c and probably the second most value is 33c. I am not a high rank or anything special from FT levels.

Since I have been back with Fotolia/Adobe, well over a year now, I have been receiving those commissions, mostly 99c and above. So I don’t think this raise is anything recent.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #62 on:** April 10, 2019, 14:00 »

Quote from: cathyslife on April 10, 2019, 13:54

Quote from: Uncle Pete on April 10, 2019, 13:40
snip Just a note, you might have missed, Adobe did raise our commissions. Not a big number, but they raised the minimum, and o some reason, most of my subs, and I mean over 50% are 99c, some are 66c and probably the second most value is 33c. I am not a high rank or anything special from FT levels.

Since I have been back with Fotolia/Adobe, well over a year now, I have been receiving those commissions, mostly 99c and above. So I don’t think this raise is anything recent.

I came back too, after AS bought FT. It was, some standardization, no more 29c subs. I don't know when the 99c thing started, but I like it!

Yes it's an Adobe pricing deal, so it could be from when they started the transition right after they bought FT.

cathyslife · « **Reply #63 on:** April 10, 2019, 14:02 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on April 10, 2019, 14:00

Quote from: cathyslife on April 10, 2019, 13:54
Quote from: Uncle Pete on April 10, 2019, 13:40
snip Just a note, you might have missed, Adobe did raise our commissions. Not a big number, but they raised the minimum, and o some reason, most of my subs, and I mean over 50% are 99c, some are 66c and probably the second most value is 33c. I am not a high rank or anything special from FT levels.

Since I have been back with Fotolia/Adobe, well over a year now, I have been receiving those commissions, mostly 99c and above. So I don’t think this raise is anything recent.

I came back too, after AS bought FT. It was, some standardization, no more 29c subs. I don't know when the 99c thing started, but I like it! Yes it's an Adobe pricing deal, so it could be from when they started the transition right after they bought FT.

Yes, I like it, too!

tickstock · « **Reply #65 on:** April 10, 2019, 14:09 »

Does Adobe only do subs now for photos and illustrations?

cathyslife · « **Reply #66 on:** April 10, 2019, 15:27 »

Quote from: tickstock on April 10, 2019, 14:09

Does Adobe only do subs now for photos and illustrations?

Yesterday, I got a $2.64 commission. Not sure that is for a sub or not. Tried to look on my ipad. Viewing earnings on ipad is even worse than on mac.

tickstock · « **Reply #67 on:** April 10, 2019, 15:31 »

Quote from: cathyslife on April 10, 2019, 15:27

Quote from: tickstock on April 10, 2019, 14:09
Does Adobe only do subs now for photos and illustrations?

Yesterday, I got a $2.64 commission. Not sure that is for a sub or not.

Maybe a fotolia sale it looks to me like they don't have credit sales on Adobe. I must have missed the change.

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #68 on:** April 10, 2019, 22:47 »

Viewed from the Adobe contributor interface, a Fotolia credit sale will say Standard; Subscriptions are at various prices - $3.30, 99 cents, 66 cents and 38 cents mostly if it's an AS sale. FT subs sales are rare these days but they're rank based.

The sales marked as Custom are from the large corporate accounts and those numbers don't follow any pattern. Today I had one for $8.40; yesterday one for $5.86. There are a lot at 38 cents marked custom too.

cathyslife · « **Reply #69 on:** April 11, 2019, 07:36 »

Quote from: Jo Ann Snover on April 10, 2019, 22:47

Viewed from the Adobe contributor interface, a Fotolia credit sale will say Standard; Subscriptions are at various prices - $3.30, 99 cents, 66 cents and 38 cents mostly if it's an AS sale. FT subs sales are rare these days but they're rank based.

The sales marked as Custom are from the large corporate accounts and those numbers don't follow any pattern. Today I had one for $8.40; yesterday one for $5.86. There are a lot at 38 cents marked custom too.

I have those designations when I view on my mac, but those don’t show on ipad. In fact, I can’t even change the dates to view April sales. April doesn’t even show in the dropdown. The tablet interface needs a lot of work. Or maybe there is some convoluted way to get to the stats I am looking for and haven’t found yet. Too frustrating. I will check next time I am on my computer.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #70 on:** April 11, 2019, 09:11 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on April 10, 2019, 13:40

Quote from: Trippy on April 04, 2019, 13:12

If you really do care about your contributors how about raising their royalty?

That would send massive ripples throughout the stock industry!

It would show just how serious Adobe is.

Just a note, you might have missed, Adobe did raise our commissions. Not a big number, but they raised the minimum, and o some reason, most of my subs, and I mean over 50% are 99c, some are 66c and probably the second most value is 33c. I am not a high rank or anything special from FT levels. Considering what others pay, AS is raising the bar and offering us more in real numbers.

Correct!

May I also remind you that Adobe also offered one year of free Adobe Cloud Apps to qualified contributors.
BTW, if it's not too much to ask, it would be great to see that program extended.

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Author Topic: Adobe Terms (Read 26535 times)

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cathyslife

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