There goes my top secret plan to have a laundromat and beer bar - Suds-and-Duds. Clean with TVs, slots, a nice lounge area where someone can sit and sip, while they watch their clothes spin? Buy a beer, wine or soft drink and get ten minutes of dryer time, while you wait...

Question: what is the attributable amount for purchases via the Creative Cloud express?

"... for non-video assets, 33% of the attributable amount"

Is there any minimum royalty in effect.

Having watched the custom royalties after the Pro Edition was announced in April, I have been happy to note that nothing has been lower than the 38 cent minimum on subscription royalties.

I understand why this sort of option makes sense to Adobe given the competitive environment - Canva and Shutterstock's many Canva-wannabe efforts - but if this means 3 cent or 10 cent royalties for contributors, it's hard to believe we'll make it up on volume (the typical claim made when royalty amounts are slashed).

If I understand it correctly, nothing should change - looking at their pricing plans - with 10 assets/month plan we get .99 per sale, 40 assets/month plan it's .65 per sale and any plan over 350 assets/month we still get minimum royalty .38

I found it here, updated today: newbielink:https://helpx.adobe.com/stock/contributor/help/royalty-details.html [nonactive]

I don't really believe it's a coincidence when I look at the timing of Adobe's activities. First came the action with the release of free images for 1 year - for $5 per image.

And now comes the Creative Cloud Express - shortly after the free image database is bulging. I have to say: this was very cleverly done by Adobe and the chronological order is smart.

What Adobe is doing there is certainly very clever and certainly covers the market needs. In this respect, I find it absolutely understandable from the company's point of view.

At the same time, my gut tells me that this is not necessarily taking place to the advantage of the contributors.

Hi Mat,
some questions I have:

- Creative Cloud Express seems to be included in the PS/Lightroom subscription I have.
- This allows me to create something and include images - both from the free collection and from the paid collection - without further payment.
- If I use one of my own images (from the paid collection), downloading the design made in Creative Cloud Express leads directly to a sale (for the minimum amount, in my case 0.36) on Adobe Stock.

Do I understand this correctly? Anyone with an Adobe subscription has full access to all Adobe Stock images (via Creative Cloud Express) without additional payment?
And any usage of an image via this way results in a "custom" sale at the minimum royalty?
So what if I do that with my own images? Am I in conflict with the terms of my Adobe Stock agreement? Do I get into trouble for downloading my own images?

I just tried it by putting four of my images, one free and three paid, into one design and downloading it. Immediately I saw sales on Adobe Stock for the three non-free images...

I don't want my account blocked for something like that, so it would be good to know the official way to deal with this (e.g. never use your own images in Creative Cloud Express...)

thanks!

� Immediately I saw sales on Adobe Stock for the three non-free images.�

For how much?

Quote from: dirkr on December 14, 2021, 06:36

Hi Mat,
some questions I have:

- Creative Cloud Express seems to be included in the PS/Lightroom subscription I have.
- This allows me to create something and include images - both from the free collection and from the paid collection - without further payment.
- If I use one of my own images (from the paid collection), downloading the design made in Creative Cloud Express leads directly to a sale (for the minimum amount, in my case 0.36) on Adobe Stock.

Do I understand this correctly? Anyone with an Adobe subscription has full access to all Adobe Stock images (via Creative Cloud Express) without additional payment?
And any usage of an image via this way results in a "custom" sale at the minimum royalty?
So what if I do that with my own images? Am I in conflict with the terms of my Adobe Stock agreement? Do I get into trouble for downloading my own images?

I just tried it by putting four of my images, one free and three paid, into one design and downloading it. Immediately I saw sales on Adobe Stock for the three non-free images...

I don't want my account blocked for something like that, so it would be good to know the official way to deal with this (e.g. never use your own images in Creative Cloud Express...)

thanks!

Wow, this need fixing immediately, especially as it seems we will be splitting percentages of a subscription fee.

Well, if you ask me, they don't need to fix anything...
As long as royalties are not lower than the usual subscription fee (and in my case they were not lower) that's fine for me.
And if they don't mind if we download our own images (and get paid for it....). I just doubt that this is meant to be ok...

Well, if you ask me, they don't need to fix anything...
As long as royalties are not lower than the usual subscription fee (and in my case they were not lower) that's fine for me.
And if they don't mind if we download our own images (and get paid for it....). I just doubt that this is meant to be ok...

Sorry, I misunderstood how payments are calculated. Thought it was a percentage of subscription fee.

Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on December 14, 2021, 08:48

Quote from: dirkr on December 14, 2021, 08:40

Well, if you ask me, they don't need to fix anything...
As long as royalties are not lower than the usual subscription fee (and in my case they were not lower) that's fine for me.
And if they don't mind if we download our own images (and get paid for it....). I just doubt that this is meant to be ok...

Sorry, I misunderstood how payments are calculated. Thought it was a percentage of subscription fee.

That wasn't quite clear for me as well from Mat's answer.
But what I see from the real life example looks quite good, if it is to stay that way:

Huge number of potential customers (everyone with an Adobe software subscription).
No additional cost for them, so probably a lot will "buy".
"Normal" subscription royalties for us.

And Adobe could really do it that way (better than the competition) because they can write the costs off as marketing expense for their software...

Great if that is how it works. I think Matt needs to clarify this for us. Sounds a bit too good to be true, been stung a few too many times in this industry!

Hi Mat,
some questions I have:

- Creative Cloud Express seems to be included in the PS/Lightroom subscription I have.
- This allows me to create something and include images - both from the free collection and from the paid collection - without further payment.
- If I use one of my own images (from the paid collection), downloading the design made in Creative Cloud Express leads directly to a sale (for the minimum amount, in my case 0.36) on Adobe Stock.

Do I understand this correctly? Anyone with an Adobe subscription has full access to all Adobe Stock images (via Creative Cloud Express) without additional payment?
And any usage of an image via this way results in a "custom" sale at the minimum royalty?
So what if I do that with my own images? Am I in conflict with the terms of my Adobe Stock agreement? Do I get into trouble for downloading my own images?

I just tried it by putting four of my images, one free and three paid, into one design and downloading it. Immediately I saw sales on Adobe Stock for the three non-free images...

I don't want my account blocked for something like that, so it would be good to know the official way to deal with this (e.g. never use your own images in Creative Cloud Express...)

thanks!

Thanks for sharing your feedback. As a paid user of Creative Cloud Express, you have access to all Adobe Stock standard collection photos for your projects. 

As a Contributor, your personal use of Creative Cloud Express must comply with the Adobe Stock Contributor Additional Terms, including the requirement in section 8.1 to not license Adobe Stock assets for the primary purpose of artificially inflating the number of licenses of your content.   

If you want to include your own images in a CCX project, you must import it from an external source such as your hard drive. Don�t use your own Adobe Stock assets in a way that generates royalty payments. 

Thanks,

Mat Hayward

...And Adobe could really do it that way (better than the competition) because they can write the costs off as marketing expense for their software...

I'd be OK with flat 38 cent royalties from any CCX uses. However, at $9.99 a month, if a CCX user put 27 of my images into projects, Adobe would owe me $10.26 and be out of pocket (27 x 38 cents) so they'd have to view these royalties as a marketing expense!

It still leaves the question Mat refused to answer about what the "attributable amount" could be - what other types of uses beyond what dirkr saw with his example? Is it possible that the Enterprise and Teams version of this - coming in 2022 according to the press release - will pay different royalty amounts than the flat subscription ones?

"Creative Cloud Express for Enterprise and Teams is coming in 2022"