Author Topic: Breaking the rule (Read 16420 times)

Lizard · « **on:** May 25, 2008, 20:33 »

Well I'm just to break my own rule not to complain about rejections , I never said a word against a reviewer , ever , but I got rejector on steroids this time.

I haven't submitted to fotolia for some time , so I had a quite large batch submitted few days ago , and this evening I was doing categories all evening , and the rejector did them more then 95% in few minutes and im talking about hundreds of them .

Considering the fact that I had approval rate probably high about 90% , with less quality images before , something must have changed drastically there , or I just wasn't lucky enough and got a reviewer that was pissed off for some reason today. I'm talking about images approved at all other sites , images that were in SS top 50 , few of my bestsellers that have gone over 100$ at other sites etc all rejected in matter of minutes for various reasons.

So should I contact someone (and Is there a way to request another review) or should I just let it go ?

jsnover · « **Reply #1 on:** May 25, 2008, 21:20 »

If you're in the US, I'd suggest a short note to Chad asking that he please have someone look at the recent batch of rejections for a second opinion. If the files have been accepted at IS/DT you've a pretty good measure that they're technically OK.

I don't think there's any formal appeal's process and I wouldn't expect you to get anything overturned if you went to the FT forum for this purpose - it's primarily to show you your errors rather than look at theirs.

Peter · « **Reply #2 on:** May 25, 2008, 23:51 »

What was te reason? I do get a lot of rejections for simmilar images.

Lizard · « **Reply #3 on:** May 26, 2008, 00:22 »

Quote from: Chode on May 25, 2008, 23:51

What was te reason? I do get a lot of rejections for simmilar images.

Yap mostly similar images , few for technical quality , and all grunge backgrounds ( raster images done with brushes) for "type of photo" reason.

But the problem is if they were strict in their demands , I wouldn't submit the images they are not looking for , but I remembered it already happened once few moths ago , then I submitted same style illustrations again , few times ,and they were accepted.

leaf · « **Reply #4 on:** May 26, 2008, 02:49 »

Fotolia really seems to be strict lately with backgrounds. I do a lot of backgrounds because they seem to sell well with shutterstock and dreamstime, but fotolia rarely takes them

DanP68 · « **Reply #5 on:** May 26, 2008, 03:25 »

I wouldn't be surprised if 123rf passes them by the end of 2008 for a lot of contributors. The Fotolia earnings rating is drifting toward the bottom of the Big 6, and 123 is clearly growing by most accounts.

More convincing to me is the amount of technical problems which seem to affect Fotolia, compared to Dreamstime, Shutterstock, and even 123RF. Also, early indications show EVO to be superior to the inconsistent quality of the Infinite Collection.

The 123rf pricing is still too low, far below industry trend. If they could raise prices by 50% and still keep their current level of activity, that alone may put their earnings on par or even beyond Fotolia for many contributors. I hope it happens. Just lurking on the FT boards and seeing the way contributors get slapped aside every time they bring up a site issue (especially search problems), I'm not particularly impressed with their community relations. As opposed to 123RF, which has a pretty open environment and frequent admin feedback.

fotografer · « **Reply #6 on:** May 26, 2008, 05:47 »

I would be very surprised if 123rf got anywhere near Fotolia. I make over 8 times more on Fotolia than 123 with more or less the same portfolio.

Quote from: DanP68 on May 26, 2008, 03:25

I wouldn't be surprised if 123rf passes them by the end of 2008 for a lot of contributors. The Fotolia earnings rating is drifting toward the bottom of the Big 6, and 123 is clearly growing by most accounts.

Lizard · « **Reply #7 on:** May 26, 2008, 05:56 »

I don't know the work flow of their rejections/approvals mails being sent , but according to them the rejections were super fast generally , and someone has actually reviewed 37 images in a single minute , than few images in the next few minutes , than more than 60 again in the same minute.

Funny

stokfoto · « **Reply #8 on:** May 26, 2008, 06:21 »

I usually have a good acceptance rate at FT but lately I too had some funny rejections too all "for type of photo" thinghy needless to say they were all accepted by all others.

as for 123rf taking over FT's place,at least to me it seems impossible in a near future.FT have always been among my top performers I don't see why they should be in a declining trend having said that my sales at 123RF grow steadily but still all at a modest level.

CofkoCof · « **Reply #9 on:** May 26, 2008, 06:55 »

I don't have any problems with vectors, probably 100% AR. Not so good with pictures, been getting a lot of "Type of photo" and "Overabundant category" rejections(I thought they would accept most of them, since they were pretty good, also other sites accepted most, even though they also like to reject that type of images for overabundance). Lesson learned, fotolia is very strict about it, so I won't upload any more like thos.

anonymous · « **Reply #10 on:** May 26, 2008, 08:38 »

Quote from: jsnover on May 25, 2008, 21:20

If you're in the US, I'd suggest a short note to Chad asking that he please have someone look at the recent batch of rejections for a second opinion. If the files have been accepted at IS/DT you've a pretty good measure that they're technically OK.

I don't think there's any formal appeal's process and I wouldn't expect you to get anything overturned if you went to the FT forum for this purpose - it's primarily to show you your errors rather than look at theirs.

After a long batch of rejections for "type of photograph" (whatever), I emailed support to ask for another review or reviewer (80% were accepted everywhere else). Their response was "no, we do not grant second reviews". Once again we see an agency that opts to pick up a great big shovel to see how quickly they can dig their own grave. When your site's sales are down, it would probably behoove you to approve more images in an attempt to offer something that other sites don't OR at least offer what they do...
Don't know what they've been smoking over there...

fotografer · « **Reply #11 on:** May 26, 2008, 10:22 »

We don't know if site sales are down or not. My personal sales are way up as are lots of other people that have probably not bothered to comment on the forums. The ones making a noise are the ones who's sales are affected badly which doesn't mean that sales are down overall.

Quote from: anonymous on May 26, 2008, 08:38

When your site's sales are down, it would probably behoove you to approve more images in an attempt to offer something that other sites don't OR at least offer what they do...

PrecariousPosition · « **Reply #12 on:** May 26, 2008, 10:30 »

Well I'm a newbie by all accounts. But Fotolia is already getting on my nerves.

Three isolated studio images (from a D300 at ISO 200) with a model all rejected for "Technical Reasons". I'd be fine with that if they gave a useful answer like most of the sites, but no they list ten possible reasons and leave you to figure out what they thought the problem was. Not to mention the fact that these shots were far more commercial (and technically superior) than some of the crap they have accepted from me.

Oh well, DT and 123RF took them, thier loss.

Lizard · « **Reply #13 on:** May 26, 2008, 11:02 »

Just to prove my point , here are some of the the images from that last batch , rejected for we are not looking for "that type of image".

Lets try a little game...

In every row one image is accepted (left or right) and one is rejected for the "type of image reason" , so Im just wondering if someone can find much difference in type of image , and figure out which were approved which were not , without checking my portfolio on Fotolia before guessing.

I just saw that the thumbnails are little blurry on tinypic (I dont know why), , butt I assure you that all rejections were just for type of image , and If someone doubts about technical quality of any image I will upload the 100% crop.

Well here they are:

ichiro17 · « **Reply #14 on:** May 26, 2008, 11:18 »

fotolia rejects everything and anything which is completely the opposite on how that site was built (by accepting everything and anything) its a joke now and i can't find any consistency in submitting them photos they want, so i stopped submitting period. no point in wasting my time uploading and submitting if they are going to reject 90%

Pywrit · « **Reply #15 on:** May 26, 2008, 11:20 »

I think it is safe to say that FT has become microstock's poster child for schizophrenia.

lisafx · « **Reply #16 on:** May 26, 2008, 11:29 »

I think Fotolia has very inconsistent reviews. This blanket rejection of large numbers of images happens way too often there.

I will say though, that I don't see 123RF coming anywhere near them for sales in my case. 123 has made me right about the same payout every month for over a year, despite doubling my portfolio there. And I do take advantage of the promotional tools like faves and donating free images. I find I have to do a lot of promoting just to stay even there.

At least Fotolia is making me money on the images I can manage to get accepted...

cshack · « **Reply #17 on:** May 26, 2008, 11:36 »

The last (2) background rejections I got form Fotolia about a week ago were accepted on the second attempt. I did add a note to the reviewer that they were the only site to reject these images and both had sold very well on SS. I also noted that they were technically perfect. I closed buy saying that rejecting these images would not benefit anyone, especially them.

It worked!

They don't have a system for resubmitting an image. So just upload it again and explain your take on it. It may or may not work? Worth a try no matter what I guess.

The cool thing is one of the images sold (3) days later! Now that was a home run and a "Told you so" Love it when we can prove that we do know what we are doing from time to time.

rjmiz · « **Reply #18 on:** May 26, 2008, 13:44 »

OK I can't believe I'm about to admit this....it goes against everything I stand for.

But YES. I have noticed an slight increase in the amount of rejects for "Type of Photograph" on FT
Actually several right in a row. (Like 5 or 6....or 7&8 maybe 9 and 10).

This is an OBVIOUS mistake on the reviewers part, as he/she has no idea just how good I am. More than likely
they meant to click the approve button, but was distracted in in sheer awe over how good my images were.

Simple mistake. no problem, I have lots and lots of images to upload.

Cranky MIZ

RT · « **Reply #19 on:** May 26, 2008, 18:28 »

Quote from: rjmiz on May 26, 2008, 13:44

This is an OBVIOUS mistake on the reviewers part, as he/she has no idea just how good I am.

They may not know how good you are, but luckily he/she isn't blind and can therefore see how good your images are - hence the rejections.

rjmiz · « **Reply #20 on:** May 26, 2008, 19:09 »

Oh no my good friend RT....you sir are mistaken. That just can't be!

Cranky MIZ

DanP68 · « **Reply #21 on:** May 26, 2008, 20:39 »

Quote from: fotografer on May 26, 2008, 10:22

We don't know if site sales are down or not. My personal sales are way up as are lots of other people that have probably not bothered to comment on the forums. The ones making a noise are the ones who's sales are affected badly which doesn't mean that sales are down overall.

Our earnings polls for the past few months suggest Fotolia sales are down with respect to their competition. They are down to #4, 0.1 above StockXpert.

To clarify, 123RF generates 1/2 the earnings per month on average off my portfolio of Fotolia. But while Fotolia earnings seem to stay the same or drop month to month, 123 grows. It will only take one major screw up from Fotolia - another complete melt down of the search engine or whatever - to push 123 up to their level. Running site traffic comparisons tells a similar story to the earnings ratings comparison on our message board.

cshack · « **Reply #22 on:** May 26, 2008, 22:03 »

Quote from: rjmiz on May 26, 2008, 13:44

OK I can't believe I'm about to admit this....it goes against everything I stand for.

But YES. I have noticed an slight increase in the amount of rejects for "Type of Photograph" on FT
Actually several right in a row. (Like 5 or 6....or 7&8 maybe 9 and 10).

This is an OBVIOUS mistake on the reviewers part, as he/she has no idea just how good I am. More than likely
they meant to click the approve button, but was distracted in in sheer awe over how good my images were.

Simple mistake. no problem, I have lots and lots of images to upload.

Cranky MIZ

Okay so I read the above post. At the time I was high as a freaking kite. Yep, call me a stoner. Anyway, I laughed until I *-it cried. Is ---or----was---it just me? Not that being high had anything to do with it. :-) Anybody got a cupcake? I got the munchies. (Hee hee) sniff, fart

anonymous · « **Reply #23 on:** May 27, 2008, 22:59 »

say..you're not the new reviewer at Fotolia are you?

anonymous · « **Reply #24 on:** May 27, 2008, 23:07 »

Quote from: fotografer on May 26, 2008, 10:22

We don't know if site sales are down or not. My personal sales are way up as are lots of other people that have probably not bothered to comment on the forums. The ones making a noise are the ones who's sales are affected badly which doesn't mean that sales are down overall.

Quote from: anonymous on May 26, 2008, 08:38
When your site's sales are down, it would probably behoove you to approve more images in an attempt to offer something that other sites don't OR at least offer what they do...

My sales are actually steady in spite the site's overall numbers are down (and congrats to you on kicking-some-serious-fotolia-ass!). My point is that their ditzy "Type of photo" rejections are just dopey. Rejecting images that will certainly give them a broader offering to their potential clients and MAYBE might increase their sales, is just piss-poor management....but I have a plan...muaaaaahahahahaha!!!! (cshack..puff puff pass)

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