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bpawesome

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« on: April 22, 2024, 03:54 »
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A month ago or so, I started to see a lot of $0.30 downloads,

I was told "taxes are being withheld on your sales", my tax info is unchanged for the last year+ and I never had those sells before.

Today I suddenly see $0.29 sales, we Shutterstock now?


« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2024, 04:25 »
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A month ago or so, I started to see a lot of $0.30 downloads,

I was told "taxes are being withheld on your sales", my tax info is unchanged for the last year+ and I never had those sells before.

Today I suddenly see $0.29 sales, we Shutterstock now?

Out of curiosity,do these lower than usual sales,come from content that has already sold enough,or from content that has made few sales in years?

Are these 0.30 or 0.29 sales coming from content you sell regularly?

bpawesome

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« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2024, 04:28 »
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Out of curiosity,do these lower than usual sales,come from content that has already sold enough,or from content that has made few sales in years?

Are these 0.30 or 0.29 sales coming from content you sell regularly?

No, it's my regular, mid-selling content, nothing special about it, definitely not my low selling images

« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2024, 04:33 »
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Got two 0.32$ sales today - that's a new low for me (also without tax withholding).
Now that I see people even get 0.29$ sales, that's really discouraging  :(. Hopefully Adobe doesn't go the way of Shutter.

« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2024, 05:23 »
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I was thinking that it could be content that has temporarily become part of packages offered at special prices,perhaps content that hasn't been sold for a while,or not a lot in general.

Unfortunately there is a lot of competition,there are many microstock agencies,which is also why in my opinion it is important to contribute only to the best,as long as customers know they can find anything at any agency,Adobe Stock must remain competitive with the prices charged by other agencies.

I still have a couple of active ports in other agencies,but for almost a year I have only contributed to Adobe,also for this reason.

basically,I become Adobe Stock exclusive,if someone wants my contents they have to download on Adobe.

« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2024, 05:32 »
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No, it's regular photo content, which is selling regularly.
Since 2020 I also basically only upload to Adobe, and only lower quality content. If Adobe follows Shutter, it will be the end of microstock for me. I guess it's time to move on :).

I was thinking that it could be content that has temporarily become part of packages offered at special prices,perhaps content that hasn't been sold for a while,or not a lot in general.

Unfortunately there is a lot of competition,there are many microstock agencies,which is also why in my opinion it is important to contribute only to the best,as long as customers know they can find anything at any agency,Adobe Stock must remain competitive with the prices charged by other agencies.

I still have a couple of active ports in other agencies,but for almost a year I have only contributed to Adobe,also for this reason.

basically,I become Adobe Stock exclusive,if someone wants my contents they have to download on Adobe.

« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2024, 07:40 »
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No, it's regular photo content, which is selling regularly.
Since 2020 I also basically only upload to Adobe, and only lower quality content. If Adobe follows Shutter, it will be the end of microstock for me. I guess it's time to move on :).

I was thinking that it could be content that has temporarily become part of packages offered at special prices,perhaps content that hasn't been sold for a while,or not a lot in general.

Unfortunately there is a lot of competition,there are many microstock agencies,which is also why in my opinion it is important to contribute only to the best,as long as customers know they can find anything at any agency,Adobe Stock must remain competitive with the prices charged by other agencies.

I still have a couple of active ports in other agencies,but for almost a year I have only contributed to Adobe,also for this reason.

basically,I become Adobe Stock exclusive,if someone wants my contents they have to download on Adobe.

yep!if Adobe follow shutter is the end,but I don't think it will happen.

for me today another strong day,good sales at good usd.

I produce content every day,I'm happy to see that my efforts are rewarded.  :)

AnS

« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2024, 09:08 »
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I was told "taxes are being withheld on your sales", my tax info is unchanged for the last year+ and I never had those sells before.

Are you by any chance based in Hungary? Since the start of 2024 the tax treaty between the USA and Hungary got cancelled, meaning every sale from a USA-based client automatically gets 30% withheld tax. It's so lame and unfair...  :'(

bpawesome

  • 3D artist & Full Stack Developer

« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2024, 09:30 »
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Are you by any chance based in Hungary? Since the start of 2024 the tax treaty between the USA and Hungary got cancelled, meaning every sale from a USA-based client automatically gets 30% withheld tax. It's so lame and unfair...  :'(

No, I'm not

« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2024, 09:43 »
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I also just had 2 .32 custom sales. a new low for me (I think), no tax withholding. it is a worrying trend if it becomes common.

« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2024, 10:23 »
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I've been tracking royalty changes at Adobe Stock for a while - started because of the "unlimited" packages where there is no floor on our royalties; we get 33% of the customers' calculated price-equivalent.

This month I saw a $0.32 royalty for the first time - previous low was $0.33 and those had been rare (March 2024 there were just 3)

April has seen custom royalties all over the place (although I haven't seen any $0.29 cent ones yet) but some of that has been good news as the higher end of custom royalties has gone up from the $0.90-0.99 range to $1.00-1.05.

In March there were zero royalties in the $1-$2 range and 35% of my month's total was from the $0.90-$0.99 range (average $0.97)

In April so far, 28% of my total has been from the $1-$2 range (average $1.04) and there's still 20% of the month's total in the $0.90-0.99 (average $0.99)

Overall RPD for April is $0.74 versus $0.65 for March

I don't see any reason for long-term optimism about income from Adobe Stock - they will discount "assets" to keep their creative product subscriptions competitive and Canva is clearly gunning for that business too (purchasing Affinity's software is exhibit A). Contributors have no meaningful protection from aggressive discounting and we don't benefit from increased usage by unlimited customers.

However, at the moment there are still enough higher end custom royalties to make April decent.

bpawesome

  • 3D artist & Full Stack Developer

« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2024, 11:26 »
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I've been selling stock images for about 2 years now, the real issue for me is I can clearly see it's slowing down a lot...

Last year I had half the images I have now, and I earned twice as much (at least).

After seeing the thread with ranks and earnings (and wishful thinking of many contributors), it's obvious there is no real future in stock.

Probably will have to let it be as it is, small passive income, and use my time for other ventures,

I really enjoyed the freedom and creative aspect of selling stock images, but it's clearly a dead end.

« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2024, 12:08 »
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And what about the number of sales? :)

you have a lower RPD,some sales below the normal threshold,but what about the total profit at least month by month if not year by year?

as far as I'm concerned,so far every month of this year I have earned more than all the months of 2023,this month too I have already exceeded both the number of sales and earnings of April 2023.

For me it's all uphill and I've been doing microstock for 6 years,and for 6 years everything has continued to rise,sometimes very slowly but it continues to rise.

obviously in my opinion everything is strictly linked to what and how much you produce,the time of sleeping on big,fluffy portfolios is over! :D

I can't afford to think that things are going badly! :D

« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2024, 12:12 »
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a year ago the min price was .25 on adobe.  the min on ss is and has been for a while .10.  most sales that i'm seeing are at that .10 amount.  min at istock is .01 and it's not uncommon to get sales below .10.  adobe is the only agency that raised the floor in recent memory.  i haven't seen sales below .33 and even if there is the odd one at .29 or .32 or whatever the RPD on adobe is considerably higher (for me at least) than any other agency.  make of that what you will.

bpawesome

  • 3D artist & Full Stack Developer

« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2024, 12:16 »
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Sales as well, it's not just the royalty share that is goin down (it will never go up again)
It's not just adobe, I'm selling on 12 stock sites, it's going down all over the place, sites are closing, sales dropping all over

I now have enough sales data to see a clear picture (at least for my portfolio), it's just not going to get better, so only worse unfortunately.

« Reply #15 on: April 22, 2024, 12:31 »
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And what about the number of sales? :)

you have a lower RPD,some sales below the normal threshold,but what about the total profit at least month by month if not year by year?

as far as I'm concerned,so far every month of this year I have earned more than all the months of 2023,this month too I have already exceeded both the number of sales and earnings of April 2023.

For me it's all uphill and I've been doing microstock for 6 years,and for 6 years everything has continued to rise,sometimes very slowly but it continues to rise.

obviously in my opinion everything is strictly linked to what and how much you produce,the time of sleeping on big,fluffy portfolios is over! :D

I can't afford to think that things are going badly! :D

Looks the same for me.
I've been around for about 7 years, since then there's been a slow but steady upward trend in downloads and revenue for all agencies.
However, I also upload regularly, try to cover current topics and find new niches, especially in the editorial area.
And my port is AI-free.  ;)
« Last Edit: April 22, 2024, 12:34 by RalfLiebhold »

bpawesome

  • 3D artist & Full Stack Developer

« Reply #16 on: April 22, 2024, 12:37 »
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a year ago the min price was .25 on adobe.  the min on ss is and has been for a while .10.  most sales that i'm seeing are at that .10 amount.  min at istock is .01 and it's not uncommon to get sales below .10.  adobe is the only agency that raised the floor in recent memory.  i haven't seen sales below .33 and even if there is the odd one at .29 or .32 or whatever the RPD on adobe is considerably higher (for me at least) than any other agency.  make of that what you will.

Never had a $0.25 on adobe, $0.29 is lowest ever and it started today,
Shutterstock $0.10 is most common - yes, but I have $10-$50 sales and over time there is a balance

I have extended license sales on adobe, and I make OK monthly income on all sites, don't get me wrong...

But, I have set a portfolio size target with data I had and I've reached it, but earnings result is not even close,
I don't see it getting better at this point, so my time will get a better return in other fields...

I'm an experienced web developer (20+ years), and a relaxed day of freelance development is the same as a week of stock sales at this point,

I did stock because I always loved design and 3D (and yes, even AI which is still magic to me) and took a few years to try it out,

but I have to be realistic when I see that top 1000 rank on adobe makes what I made a year ago as 2000 rank, and you can't argue with that

« Reply #17 on: April 22, 2024, 14:15 »
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And what about the number of sales? :)

you have a lower RPD,some sales below the normal threshold,but what about the total profit at least month by month if not year by year?

as far as I'm concerned,so far every month of this year I have earned more than all the months of 2023,this month too I have already exceeded both the number of sales and earnings of April 2023.

For me it's all uphill and I've been doing microstock for 6 years,and for 6 years everything has continued to rise,sometimes very slowly but it continues to rise.

obviously in my opinion everything is strictly linked to what and how much you produce,the time of sleeping on big,fluffy portfolios is over! :D

I can't afford to think that things are going badly! :D

Looks the same for me.
I've been around for about 7 years, since then there's been a slow but steady upward trend in downloads and revenue for all agencies.
However, I also upload regularly, try to cover current topics and find new niches, especially in the editorial area.
And my port is AI-free.  ;)

Finally a bit of optimism!A breath of fresh air, thanks! :)

« Reply #18 on: April 22, 2024, 15:31 »
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but I have to be realistic when I see that top 1000 rank on adobe makes what I made a year ago as 2000 rank, and you can't argue with that

how do you know what top 1000 makes?  i can be ranked #1 when the rankings reset on monday with maybe 40 sales and earnings of $25.  if i'm number 1 on sunday night that could be in the $1000s w/ a lot more downloads.  people have been posting more/less random download and rankings screenshots from throughout the week, not comprehensive weekly earnings.  not sure how much data you can get from that.

zeljkok

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« Reply #19 on: April 22, 2024, 19:16 »
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I had two custom 0.32 sandwiched between whole bunch of custom 1.05;   haven't seen anything below 30 cents yet

« Reply #20 on: April 22, 2024, 19:18 »
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I confirm $0.29 custom sales too, sadly got one of these 2 days ago.

bpawesome

  • 3D artist & Full Stack Developer

« Reply #21 on: April 23, 2024, 01:01 »
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how do you know what top 1000 makes?  i can be ranked #1 when the rankings reset on monday with maybe 40 sales and earnings of $25.  if i'm number 1 on sunday night that could be in the $1000s w/ a lot more downloads.  people have been posting more/less random download and rankings screenshots from throughout the week, not comprehensive weekly earnings.  not sure how much data you can get from that.

People were sharing weekly income and rankings,
also I like tracking my sales and earnings, you can see a pattern of sales and can predict how the week will go after a while, it's not that complicated, there are no huge surprises, it's only a week... if you sell 50 on Monday, you will not get $1000 by the end of a week...

« Reply #22 on: April 24, 2024, 10:24 »
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Don't be surprised if you see 0.29 or 0.32 on Adobe Stock,we have a large responsibility for this,it's your fault and mine too,because I still have other active ports,even if I no longer upload to any other agency except Adobe.

the race to the bottom is our responsibility.

every time you or I submit a photo for review on Istock,we agree to only get 15% of the sale,and we also agree that the content can be sold for 0,01

every time we send a video to SS for review we accept that it can be sold for 0.25

Adobe tries to do the best it can,find the right balance,and pay fair compensation to contributors,but there are limits,it must at the same time remain competitive with other large agencies.

think about this, the next time you submit content for review to SS or Istock,think that in that moment,when you press "submit" you are encouraging the race to the bottom!

bpawesome

  • 3D artist & Full Stack Developer

« Reply #23 on: April 24, 2024, 10:47 »
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Don't be surprised if you see 0.29 or 0.32 on Adobe Stock,we have a large responsibility for this,it's your fault and mine too,because I still have other active ports,even if I no longer upload to any other agency except Adobe.

the race to the bottom is our responsibility.

every time you or I submit a photo for review on Istock,we agree to only get 15% of the sale,and we also agree that the content can be sold for 0,01

every time we send a video to SS for review we accept that it can be sold for 0.25

Adobe tries to do the best it can,find the right balance,and pay fair compensation to contributors,but there are limits,it must at the same time remain competitive with other large agencies.

think about this, the next time you submit content for review to SS or Istock,think that in that moment,when you press "submit" you are encouraging the race to the bottom!

I agree, that's why I said it can only get worse, and it's time for me to do something else...

I just don't understand how can it be that stock sites don't have any regulation?
These are huge sites that sell a lot, and pay % to contributors, nobody is looking if there are issues in between?

I had issues with few large stock sites over the last year (I won't name them here yet),
For example:
I caught one large site adjusting my earnings, removing half of the sum without any explanation, and when I confront them, they just stop replying...
Another just removing sales, they can do anything, you won't sue them, it's not worth it...

I don't have a problem with Adobe, I can see a lot of effort from them, very professional in all aspects, but sales and earnings are going down fast on Adobe as well...

« Reply #24 on: April 24, 2024, 11:57 »
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Don't be surprised if you see 0.29 or 0.32 on Adobe Stock,we have a large responsibility for this,it's your fault and mine too,because I still have other active ports,even if I no longer upload to any other agency except Adobe.

the race to the bottom is our responsibility.

every time you or I submit a photo for review on Istock,we agree to only get 15% of the sale,and we also agree that the content can be sold for 0,01

every time we send a video to SS for review we accept that it can be sold for 0.25

Adobe tries to do the best it can,find the right balance,and pay fair compensation to contributors,but there are limits,it must at the same time remain competitive with other large agencies.

think about this, the next time you submit content for review to SS or Istock,think that in that moment,when you press "submit" you are encouraging the race to the bottom!

I agree, that's why I said it can only get worse, and it's time for me to do something else...

I just don't understand how can it be that stock sites don't have any regulation?
These are huge sites that sell a lot, and pay % to contributors, nobody is looking if there are issues in between?

I had issues with few large stock sites over the last year (I won't name them here yet),
For example:
I caught one large site adjusting my earnings, removing half of the sum without any explanation, and when I confront them, they just stop replying...
Another just removing sales, they can do anything, you won't sue them, it's not worth it...

I don't have a problem with Adobe, I can see a lot of effort from them, very professional in all aspects, but sales and earnings are going down fast on Adobe as well...

if your sales on Adobe are going down,and continue to go down for at least 2-3 months,then there are only 2 possible things you can do in my opinion:

1-give up.

2-radically change what you are doing,if you see that what you produce doesn't sell,change,not necessarily what was selling before,can continue to sell today or tomorrow.

bpawesome

  • 3D artist & Full Stack Developer

« Reply #25 on: April 24, 2024, 12:55 »
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if your sales on Adobe are going down,and continue to go down for at least 2-3 months,then there are only 2 possible things you can do in my opinion:

1-give up.

2-radically change what you are doing,if you see that what you produce doesn't sell,change,not necessarily what was selling before,can continue to sell today or tomorrow.

I don't think that my content is the problem, I have best sellers that are the first result for very good keywords,
the sales I had a year ago with half the content I have now did not double, so I don't see a point wasting more time in making more different content...

What was selling will sale - that's true, I earn enough now, just don't see a way for effective growth with things the way they are...

« Reply #26 on: April 24, 2024, 15:49 »
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if your sales on Adobe are going down,and continue to go down for at least 2-3 months,then there are only 2 possible things you can do in my opinion:

1-give up.

2-radically change what you are doing,if you see that what you produce doesn't sell,change,not necessarily what was selling before,can continue to sell today or tomorrow.

I don't think that my content is the problem, I have best sellers that are the first result for very good keywords,
the sales I had a year ago with half the content I have now did not double, so I don't see a point wasting more time in making more different content...

What was selling will sale - that's true, I earn enough now, just don't see a way for effective growth with things the way they are...

I don't know if I understood correctly,but did you think that with double the content you would earn double?

but absolutely not!

If I have 10,000 contents today and I earn 1,000 USD,the following year even if I have 20,000 contents I will not earn 2,000 USD

microstock doesn't work like that,it takes time,it takes many years to earn substantial sums,I believe that to earn at least 1,000 usd every month on Adobe it takes more or less 10 years,some manage it with a few years less,but more or less this.

you must have been a contributor on Adobe for at least and I mean at least 7-8 years,because the sales system doesn't allow you to sell so much in such a short time,because it must allow everyone to sell,and over time it helps you increase the number of sales.

the important thing is that as the years go by,the total earned in a year increases.

I think you said you've been contributing to Adobe for 2 years?If so you still can't expect anything,unless your portfolio is truly spectacular! :D

I am currently 40% more than April 2023 in terms of sales and 30% more earnings,and there are still several days in this month,and that's all I need to know to continue! ;)


« Reply #27 on: April 24, 2024, 16:34 »
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I've uploaded quite a few videos over the past 12 months and some photos. My earnings increase April 2023 vs April 2024 on Adobe Stock is 120% and overall earnings increase April 2023 vs April 2024 for my four ports is 31%.

« Reply #28 on: April 24, 2024, 16:46 »
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I've uploaded quite a few videos over the past 12 months and some photos. My earnings increase April 2023 vs April 2024 on Adobe Stock is 120% and overall earnings increase April 2023 vs April 2024 for my four ports is 31%.

Well,this is good news! :D

the maximum I had in a month compared to the same month of a previous year was about 500% more,but normally,apart from a few "crazy" months I have about 50% more always comparing a month to the same month of the previous year.

« Reply #29 on: April 24, 2024, 19:12 »
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How many more images do you have to get 50% more than last year? Sadly, doubling your port won't double your income unless your quality is increasing a lot, but do you have to keep pace with the entire image library just to tread water? Sure, doubling your port isn't too hard for a few years, but it is going to become impossible eventually.

I don't really know how any of the search algorithms work, but the only one that seems to really work more for the contributor port as a whole rather than the individual image is DT to me. There are so many things that go into search placement now I wouldn't be surprised if the sites themselves don't really know how they work. The age since an image has been uploaded is probably a factor, but I doubt that the time since you joined a site is a very important factor - at least after a potential new contributor bump. I would be happy to be wrong about that since I have been a contributor to many sites for a long time.

zeljkok

  • Non Linear Existence
« Reply #30 on: April 24, 2024, 19:31 »
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I think main issue, not just for this or that site but across the industry, is saturation. You can upload perfect shot of Eiffel Tower or Rome Coliseum or Giza Pyramids  and not even get 10 Shutterstock cents for it nowdays

Trick is to produce original content of something that is in short supply.  Then sales are guaranteed regardless of search algorithm.   But that something might not even exist anymore.

« Reply #31 on: April 25, 2024, 08:41 »
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How many more images do you have to get 50% more than last year? Sadly, doubling your port won't double your income unless your quality is increasing a lot, but do you have to keep pace with the entire image library just to tread water? Sure, doubling your port isn't too hard for a few years, but it is going to become impossible eventually.

I don't really know how any of the search algorithms work, but the only one that seems to really work more for the contributor port as a whole rather than the individual image is DT to me. There are so many things that go into search placement now I wouldn't be surprised if the sites themselves don't really know how they work. The age since an image has been uploaded is probably a factor, but I doubt that the time since you joined a site is a very important factor - at least after a potential new contributor bump. I would be happy to be wrong about that since I have been a contributor to many sites for a long time.

Until last year,I uploaded around 1000 content in a year,but I spent October,November and mid-December generating AI content mostly and creating vectors with AI-generated content,content that I still labeled as AI even though it doesn't have even a pixel generated by AI,but I have always used an AI for the source content,therefore it should still be labeled as AI.

I think,that you didn't have the opportunity to realize that time is a fundamental factor today,simply because you started in the golden age of microstock (2006?),so you didn't have the opportunity to notice the difference,believe me,for those who started like me 6 years ago,there is a big difference,today it takes time and a lot of patience and constant work to be able to earn decent sums,and time is an important factor especially on Adobe.


bpawesome

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« Reply #32 on: April 25, 2024, 23:24 »
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It keeps going down, $0.28 now...

« Reply #33 on: April 26, 2024, 06:56 »
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It keeps going down, $0.28 now...

Are you doing some kind of countdown to extinction? :D


bpawesome

  • 3D artist & Full Stack Developer

« Reply #34 on: April 26, 2024, 07:33 »
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Are you doing some kind of countdown to extinction? :D

:) Just to show how fast royalties are dropping

« Reply #35 on: April 26, 2024, 07:53 »
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It keeps going down, $0.28 now...

That's not good; I am puzzled that I've seen lots more of the $0.32 custom royalties, but nothing lower. I did note that today's royalty rate on the higher end custom royalties was up to $1.06 (from $1.05 for the last few days). Not back to the $1.37 from January, but still nice to see something going up instead of down :)

Do you see any of the $1.06 custom royalties?

Mat Hayward had written that the royalty rates for the unlimited subscriptions were calculated daily based on total purchase volume - which I would have expected to be the same worldwide, but perhaps that's not the case. I'm in the US; are. you? (I know people had said this isn't a tax withholding issue).

« Reply #36 on: April 26, 2024, 08:18 »
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It keeps going down, $0.28 now...

That's not good; I am puzzled that I've seen lots more of the $0.32 custom royalties, but nothing lower. I did note that today's royalty rate on the higher end custom royalties was up to $1.06 (from $1.05 for the last few days). Not back to the $1.37 from January, but still nice to see something going up instead of down :)

Do you see any of the $1.06 custom royalties?

Mat Hayward had written that the royalty rates for the unlimited subscriptions were calculated daily based on total purchase volume - which I would have expected to be the same worldwide, but perhaps that's not the case. I'm in the US; are. you? (I know people had said this isn't a tax withholding issue).

I also have some 0.32 which was the minimum this month,full of 1.05 and even some 1.06 custom royalties,Italy as you know!




bpawesome

  • 3D artist & Full Stack Developer

« Reply #37 on: April 26, 2024, 08:32 »
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That's not good; I am puzzled that I've seen lots more of the $0.32 custom royalties, but nothing lower. I did note that today's royalty rate on the higher end custom royalties was up to $1.06 (from $1.05 for the last few days). Not back to the $1.37 from January, but still nice to see something going up instead of down :)

Do you see any of the $1.06 custom royalties?

Mat Hayward had written that the royalty rates for the unlimited subscriptions were calculated daily based on total purchase volume - which I would have expected to be the same worldwide, but perhaps that's not the case. I'm in the US; are. you? (I know people had said this isn't a tax withholding issue).

Yes, I'm not in US, so it's still puzzling for me, because the last 2 days I'm getting custom $1.06 too...

« Reply #38 on: April 26, 2024, 11:09 »
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That's not good; I am puzzled that I've seen lots more of the $0.32 custom royalties, but nothing lower. I did note that today's royalty rate on the higher end custom royalties was up to $1.06 (from $1.05 for the last few days). Not back to the $1.37 from January, but still nice to see something going up instead of down :)

Do you see any of the $1.06 custom royalties?

Mat Hayward had written that the royalty rates for the unlimited subscriptions were calculated daily based on total purchase volume - which I would have expected to be the same worldwide, but perhaps that's not the case. I'm in the US; are. you? (I know people had said this isn't a tax withholding issue).

Yes, I'm not in US, so it's still puzzling for me, because the last 2 days I'm getting custom $1.06 too...

@bpawesome What is the image number? I'm not aware of any .28 royalties at this time.

-Mat Hayward

bpawesome

  • 3D artist & Full Stack Developer

« Reply #39 on: April 26, 2024, 11:32 »
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@bpawesome What is the image number? I'm not aware of any .28 royalties at this time.

-Mat Hayward

sent you in PM

bpawesome

  • 3D artist & Full Stack Developer

« Reply #40 on: April 26, 2024, 12:35 »
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It keeps going down, $0.28 now...

So it was a $0.32 sell - tax withholding = $0.28

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #41 on: April 27, 2024, 11:42 »
+1
It keeps going down, $0.28 now...

That's not good; I am puzzled that I've seen lots more of the $0.32 custom royalties, but nothing lower. I did note that today's royalty rate on the higher end custom royalties was up to $1.06 (from $1.05 for the last few days). Not back to the $1.37 from January, but still nice to see something going up instead of down :)

Do you see any of the $1.06 custom royalties?

Mat Hayward had written that the royalty rates for the unlimited subscriptions were calculated daily based on total purchase volume - which I would have expected to be the same worldwide, but perhaps that's not the case. I'm in the US; are. you? (I know people had said this isn't a tax withholding issue).

Interesting, thank you. And no, I'm still seeing $1.05 for the last two weeks, which is nice because it's higher than the $1.03s

Also why I don't get worried when I see a .32 or a .38 custom, the last two, because these numbers go up and down, not just down or the negative that some folks dwell on. Goes down 2 cents, everything is falling apart, but goes up 2 cents and there's no comment?

« Reply #42 on: April 27, 2024, 22:19 »
0
I got a day full of 0.22$ ones today, quite weird...

« Reply #43 on: April 28, 2024, 12:11 »
+4
I got a day full of 0.22$ ones today, quite weird...

I recommend you check the status of your tax form. I would speculate you are paying maximum tax withholding rates. You can check to see what is being withheld in the insights page of the portal. Click the withholding line item in the drop down menu.

-Mat Hayward

zeljkok

  • Non Linear Existence
« Reply #44 on: April 28, 2024, 19:05 »
0
For the first time ever I had 0.31 today.  Lowest so far was 0.32.  Lower custom licenses appear to come on weekends, at least for me.   

But like good Uncle said above,  this gets offset with 1.05 or 1.06 so not much to complain about.   My only real remark re Adobe compensation scheme is that it does not appear possible to get anything above  $30, never mind triple digits - which still happens on places like Alamy or even Shutterstock.  Rare, but possible.

« Reply #45 on: April 29, 2024, 06:40 »
+1
Today I see custom licenses at $0.31 and $1.03 - versus Fridays $0.32 and $1.06

As there is no minimum royalty, the more images are used in these packages, the less we receive

bpawesome

  • 3D artist & Full Stack Developer

« Reply #46 on: April 30, 2024, 02:48 »
0
In the last few days, half of my sales are at $0.28, something bad is going on

And it's not summer or winter or holidays like I see users say all the time, there is a real issue that is starting all over, not just Adobe
« Last Edit: April 30, 2024, 02:51 by bpawesome »

« Reply #47 on: April 30, 2024, 05:48 »
0
the few sales I have of 0.32 come from content that I rarely sell,I don't know,maybe it's just a coincidence,or maybe not.

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #48 on: April 30, 2024, 10:26 »
+1
Today I see custom licenses at $0.31 and $1.03 - versus Fridays $0.32 and $1.06

As there is no minimum royalty, the more images are used in these packages, the less we receive

True, and that varies. the unlimited subscriptions are calculated daily, based on total purchase volume The more we sell, the less we make, per image. Of course that's actually, the more someone uses, the lower the per image commission, but the same kind of relationship.

Higher volume means lower commissions.

« Reply #49 on: April 30, 2024, 11:33 »
+3
I thought it'd be interesting to see how much the Adobe Stock collection has grown over the last couple of years and although I don't have exact matches, I do have stats I kept for the collection from 26 Apr 2022, 24 Apr 2023 and 30 Apr 2024.

In general, if your port doesn't grow as fast as the collection does (all other things being equal with your port, which in practice it never is) your income will fall. The day isn't over yet, but for me, April 2024 looks roughly 4-5% down on 2023.

I first looked at the overall (all asset types) growth, but then decided to exclude video because removing the Pond5 collection during that time shrank Adobe Stock's video (it's now about 19.5 million compared to 24.5 million in April 2022)

The everything-but-video collection grew 14.7% 2022-3 and 31.5% 2023-24

In light of that - and the fact that my portfolio grew only slightly in the last year - earnings being 4-5% lower this April doesn't seem as bad as it did :)

I still think the unlimited stock assets subscriptions are a blight on contributors,  but Adobe apparently likes them as there are more different "custom" royalty groups each month


« Reply #50 on: April 30, 2024, 11:47 »
+1
The overall collection growth also includes the endless number of duplicates of duplicates.

How much of the content added is really new??

Probably just a tiny fraction.

As a producer you need to always monitor the content arriving in your personal niche and target group.

If the new content coming is much better quality than what you are offering, chances are your sales will slag.

If what is coming in is similar or even worse quality, there is not that much too worry about.

So even if Adobe adds 500 million new files a year, I wouldn't be surprised if only 5 million are truly new and unique content.

« Reply #51 on: April 30, 2024, 12:32 »
+1
Exactly,Jo Ann raised an important point in my opinion.

I believe that as things currently stand,a contributor who produces at least 30-40 content on average per month will continue to earn more every year,but the question is:"How much content will it be necessary to produce in 5 years?"

this is a good question,which has an uncertain answer,because in my opinion,being an active contributor and uploading at least an average of 30-40 contents per month,It not only counteracts total Adobe collection growth,ensuring your portfolio continues to sell,but it also ensures that your portfolio is "active" for Adobe's sales system,which therefore in my opinion manages it differently,continuing to grow your earnings over the years.

for me,regardless of what you produce,unless you are truly terrible,the sales system if it recognizes you as "active" continues to make you grow.

It seems clear to me,and if anyone is wondering why I'm so sure,it's because I am able to understand how many sales I will make each month,not how much I will earn but I can easily understand the number of sales in a month.

I already know how many sales I will make each month and I guess 95% of the time,so it seems clear to me that our portfolios are managed by the sales system,which allows you to grow,certainly based on some conditions unknown to me,but of which being "active" is certainly one of them.

therefore,in light of all this,I believe that even an exponential growth of the Adobe collection is certainly reduced by being considered "active" by the sales system.

but still the question certainly remains:"how much content will we need to produce in 10 years to continue earning more?"

« Reply #52 on: April 30, 2024, 14:00 »
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however,the answer to this question lies more in the number of contributors than in the total number of files that will be uploaded to the Adobe collection.

because I believe that it will be much more difficult for the sales system to manage a greater number of "active" contributors,rather than billions of additional files.

bpawesome

  • 3D artist & Full Stack Developer

« Reply #53 on: April 30, 2024, 20:35 »
0
It's $0.27 now...

« Reply #54 on: May 01, 2024, 03:49 »
0
It's $0.27 now...

the countdown to extinction continues! :D

so it would be a custom royalty of $0.31 but because of your tax deduction is $0,27.

bpawesome

  • 3D artist & Full Stack Developer

« Reply #55 on: May 01, 2024, 04:19 »
0
the countdown to extinction continues! :D

so it would be a custom royalty of $0.31 but because of your tax deduction is $0,27.

My tax is 10%, so I don't know what it suppose to be anymore

« Reply #56 on: May 01, 2024, 06:54 »
0
Got a few $0.31 sales again today. I feel compelled to delete my recent "good" content from Adobe  :D

« Reply #57 on: May 01, 2024, 16:21 »
+1
Today's custom royalty levels are both up and down - $1.01 (versus $1.03 yesterday), $0.31 and $0.39.

 It's hard to match these tiers up with past royalties, but I think what is now $0.39 was $0.42 back in Dec 2023

bpawesome

  • 3D artist & Full Stack Developer

« Reply #58 on: May 02, 2024, 09:36 »
+2
this is horrible to watch

« Reply #59 on: May 05, 2024, 11:20 »
+2
I got a custom license for .30 today - no tax withholding. This is Sunday the 5th - which seems an odd day for sales to be so high that my license cut is rock bottom.

Maybe they offset the sales a day or 2 or more to calculate out what we will get paid - it seems they would have to wait at least until the end of the day before they could calculate it. If that was the case I would expect a lump of custom sales at the time of calculation every day.

In any case the march down seems to continue. Anyone want to make any predictions when the first .29 will come - or the first .25 or lower. I don't think Adobe has said there will be a floor and they are happy to discount our images since they get paid up front and get their full cut, it is just our cut that is sliced thinner and thinner with these custom plans.

« Reply #60 on: May 06, 2024, 03:20 »
0
Got my first 0.30$ sale today - no tax withholding. Sad to see the last remaining agency go down the drain..

« Reply #61 on: May 06, 2024, 09:19 »
0
got one too

« Reply #62 on: May 06, 2024, 09:58 »
0
 ???   0.30 USD too. ByeBye minimum 0.33, welcome 0.10 USD soon, hello poverty as an artist  :o

zeljkok

  • Non Linear Existence
« Reply #63 on: May 06, 2024, 15:36 »
+1
This was all really to be expected.   At least it is still (almost) 3x better than endless SS 0.10 stream

In more ways than one Firefly and similar AI platforms are final nail in stock photographers coffin.  I'd love to be proved wrong

« Reply #64 on: May 06, 2024, 17:51 »
+1
Ive been watching todays sales and have seen a bunch of $0.40 custom royalties (plus the higher tier at $1.02).

Probably shouldnt complain - is anyone else seeing $0.40 custom royalties as well as $0.30?

« Reply #65 on: May 06, 2024, 18:08 »
0
only .30 and 1.02 today. yesterday I had .30 and .40

I'm not sure that my time zone (west coast USA) syncs up with Adobe's days though.


« Reply #66 on: May 06, 2024, 18:16 »
0
is anyone else seeing $0.40 custom royalties as well as $0.30?
Today I had 3 different custom numbers:
-> 0,30 (some) - 0,40 (very few) - 1,02 (some)

« Reply #67 on: May 07, 2024, 17:16 »
0
I have 0.30 and 1.03 today


« Reply #68 on: May 08, 2024, 12:29 »
0
Today I saw the first $0.30 custom royalty (the higher tier is $1.03 today) - I figured the parade of $0.40 royalties might get interrupted at some point :)

Yesterday there was one $3.30 subscription royalty, an increasingly rare bird. $0.38 subscriptions are still around, but that's the last remnant of a system where you earned higher royalties the more licenses you sold. It was also part of a system where the discounts for buyers came out of the agency's share alone. At the time the $0.38 royalty was set up, Shutterstock was the competition and that was their subscription royalty for the top tier earners.

The unlimited stock asset subscriptions have no minimum royalty for us - just 33% of whatever calculated price Adobe comes up with. Looking at the trend in the sub-$0.38 subscription royalties this year, my average was $0.368 in February, $0.353 in March, $0.333 in April and so far in May, $0.307

For the $1-$2 custom royalty tier, Feb $1.032, Mar $1.044, Apr $1.040 and May so far $1.021

« Reply #69 on: May 10, 2024, 04:36 »
+1
I'd imagine prices will also fluctuate based on exchange rates clients/customers are paying. When I see a shift in those exchanges rates the $ I receive also changes. I don't think the changes are always discounts, although that does happen as well. The customers sub is set once a year @ what ever $ or whatever currency they pay in so as the exchange rate changes, it may mean the $ per image also shifts as the strength of the $ also shifts. Also, it could be to do with the volume. If a client doesn't make use of their full allocation 400 images instead of 500 then the split may vary. It's probably quite a complex but has a base to stop it dropping below minimum payment.

I only occasionally see one drop below $0.38 and see a lot of $1.03. Sometimes they drop to $0.99... ebb and flow, they change like the (economic) tide!
« Last Edit: May 10, 2024, 04:45 by HalfFull »

« Reply #70 on: May 10, 2024, 05:14 »
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Got a 0.31$ sale today, after several 0.30$ ones in the last couple of days. So customers must be downloading less I guess.

« Reply #71 on: May 10, 2024, 05:54 »
0
As I said.... small daily fluctuations most likely exchange rate related.

« Reply #72 on: May 10, 2024, 06:12 »
0
As I said.... small daily fluctuations most likely exchange rate related.
I thought so as well, but it probably isn't the case. The USD exchange rate fluctuated in the last few days, but the 0.30$ sales stayed the same

« Reply #73 on: May 10, 2024, 07:56 »
+2
I'd imagine prices will also fluctuate based on exchange rates clients/customers are paying. When I see a shift in those exchanges rates the $ I receive also changes. I don't think the changes are always discounts, although that does happen as well. The customers sub is set once a year @ what ever $ or whatever currency they pay in so as the exchange rate changes, it may mean the $ per image also shifts as the strength of the $ also shifts. Also, it could be to do with the volume. If a client doesn't make use of their full allocation 400 images instead of 500 then the split may vary. It's probably quite a complex but has a base to stop it dropping below minimum payment.

I only occasionally see one drop below $0.38 and see a lot of $1.03. Sometimes they drop to $0.99... ebb and flow, they change like the (economic) tide!

Based on what Mat Hayward has posted here about how these royalties are calculated, it has nothing to do with exchange rate fluctuations:

https://www.microstockgroup.com/fotolia-com/adobe-stock-announcing-pro-edition-for-creative-cloud-for-teams-and-enterprises/msg563164/#msg563164

From the above:

"... every day, we generate an overall earnings pool equal to 33% of our total Adobe Stock CCE Pro revenue for the day. We then allocate these earnings to contributors based on the number of downloads."

When the unlimited subscriptions were first introduced, I explicitly asked about a floor - some minimum royalty - and Mat effectively acknowledged there wasn't one (outside of royalties in the "subscription" category; all these sales are in the "custom" category)

https://www.microstockgroup.com/fotolia-com/announcing-adobe-creative-cloud-express/

« Reply #74 on: May 10, 2024, 08:29 »
+1
Today I got a 5 dollar sale for an image, that brings some balance


« Reply #75 on: May 10, 2024, 08:47 »
+1
Today I got a 5 dollar sale for an image, that brings some balance
Very nice - there can be a few more of these :-)

« Reply #76 on: May 10, 2024, 10:37 »
0
Got my first custom $0.29  :'(

« Reply #77 on: May 10, 2024, 13:33 »
0
Got my first custom $0.29  :'(

I am not aware of any .29 royalties being distributed at this time. Check your tax withholding statistics in the insights tab to see if you are paying withholding tax on any of your downloads.

Thanks,

Mat Hayward

« Reply #78 on: May 10, 2024, 14:16 »
+1

I am not aware of any .29 royalties being distributed at this time. Check your tax withholding statistics in the insights tab to see if you are paying withholding tax on any of your downloads.

Thanks,

Mat Hayward

I checked it. The $0.29 has $0.02 withholding tax. If I remember it right, the lowest I've got before was $0.31 after the tax. So this one is the new low.

« Reply #79 on: May 10, 2024, 23:01 »
+2
Like I said in the other topic, had this image sale come in last night. Thought it was a video until I looked at the sales data...

« Reply #80 on: May 11, 2024, 18:06 »
0
Adobe looks more and more like Shutterstock these days..

« Reply #81 on: May 12, 2024, 19:00 »
0
I can't upload a screenshot, but I just made a sale with a commission of $0.28. It also shows $0.03 in the withholding tax section. I think this is the first time I've made sales with such a low commission.

« Reply #82 on: May 15, 2024, 09:56 »
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4 of the 5 sales I made today are $0.28. (May 15/2024)

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« Reply #83 on: May 15, 2024, 18:17 »
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Are $0.31 sales are normal now?
Im getting them on regular bases now.


 

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