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« on: March 01, 2011, 10:45 »
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My earnings per sale for the month were $1.20 at Fotolia a year ago and are now 50c per sale. I'm in the new 25c per credit band. Obviously, as well as the 20% pay cut introduced this year, I have seen a significant shift from credit sales to subscription sales (and I have also seen a 20% drop in the number of files sold).
Is a 60% fall in earnings per file on Fotolia when comparing February 2010 with February 2011 the norm?


« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2011, 11:21 »
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February 2010: 78c per sale
February 2011: 57c per sale

I think too much subscription dowloads and royalty cut is the reason of RPD decline..

sc

« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2011, 11:42 »
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This should help to muddy up the waters a bit - can't explain other than I had more EL's in 2011

February 2010:    81c per sale
February 2011: 1.01c per sale

Over all made $2.44 less in 2011 on 45 fewer sales.

« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2011, 14:53 »
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I have a small number of images online, but when I plot my earnings per download, I clearly see a downwards trend.

Actual numbers:
January 2010, 0.78 per image
January 2011, 0.55 per image

I get a lot of subscription sales lately too.

« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2011, 15:03 »
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This is one of the things I was afraid of when I deleted my portfolio there last month. There weren't a lot of positive things going on at FT for me. Falling sales, falling royalties, falling RPD, and the list goes on. I have to wonder about that sites future and are they just going to cut royalties every year? I miss the money, but I'm glad I'm gone.

redwater

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« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2011, 16:10 »
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same here, sales revenue and downloads have been continuously dropping versus last year's, the worst being last month at 33%.

« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2011, 16:12 »
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I have changing numbers from month to month.
Jan 2010: 0,65
Feb 2010: 1,22
2010 monthly average: 0,85
Jan 2011: 1,47
Feb 2011: 1,13

All in Euros. For me Fotolia is still one of the best agencies (with shutterstock).

« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2011, 16:25 »
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My RPD sucks too.  And, of course, it's in U.S. $ also. 

January 71% subs downloads / .59 rpd
Feb 81% subs downloads  / .56 rpd

I always wondered if I was opted into the ONLY-SUBS AND PATHETICALLY SMALL DOWNLOADS program.

« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2011, 04:50 »
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feb 2010 - 381 sales = $504 = $1.32 per sale
feb 2011 - 444 sales = $378 = $0.85 per sale

more sales but less money, per sale I only earn 64% of what I did last year

for the 3-4 months before the commission cut I averaged 350-380 in 7 day rank, since then I average 520-540. I'm still a few months away from gold (and go back to previous commission), my guess is about the top 400 people were unaffected (of who knows how many)

« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2011, 05:15 »
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feb 2009 1,19
feb 2010 1,05
feb 2011 0,97

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« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2011, 06:45 »
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I dropped them earlier today.  Something's not right on that site.  Months ago I was receiving about 50% sales that were a mix of subs and XS resolution and 50% of larger images.  Then it just stopped one day.  It makes me wonder whether they are reporting small resolutions and pocketing the difference.  I don't like them at all.  Apart from having little trust in them, their watermark is pitiful, their customer service is non-existent and the drop in contributors' already low commissions was a massive insult.

Fotolia has become a joke I'm afraid.  I won't miss them.

OM

« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2011, 19:01 »
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It's my only site (exclusive) and with only a few images (200+) February was good with average 1.81 credits @ 75p/download. Subs and premium subs are increasing though.

« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2011, 19:10 »
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FEB 11 - 75 sales (45 subs)  60%
FEB 10 - 32 sales (14 subs)  44%

« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2011, 22:33 »
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I would tell you about my numbers, but after that i had to kill myself befor FT will do :-)

« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2011, 00:47 »
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quite stable and low rpi here (but still on the way down):

Jan 2009 0.73usd
Jan 2010 0.64usd
Jan 2011 0.62usd

Feb 2009 0.69usd
Feb 2010 0.67usd
Feb 2011 0.64usd

« Reply #15 on: March 04, 2011, 10:27 »
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2009 - 1.10
2010 - 0.98
2011 - 0.85

« Reply #16 on: March 04, 2011, 12:10 »
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Wow I just recieved my first 20 credit EL at fotolia....I was shocked to learn that I only receive $4 for an Extended license sale.....that has got to be the lowest in the industry, I don't understand who they are competing with at such a low EL price when no one else is even that close, certainly they could raise it and still be competitive.

RT


« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2011, 14:15 »
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Wow I just recieved my first 20 credit EL at fotolia....I was shocked to learn that I only receive $4 for an Extended license sale.....that has got to be the lowest in the industry, I don't understand who they are competing with at such a low EL price when no one else is even that close, certainly they could raise it and still be competitive.

You decide the EL price when you upload, if you want it to sell for more than 20 credits raise the amount.

ten

« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2011, 15:35 »
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I dropped them earlier today.  Something's not right on that site.  Months ago I was receiving about 50% sales that were a mix of subs and XS resolution and 50% of larger images.  Then it just stopped one day.  It makes me wonder whether they are reporting small resolutions and pocketing the difference.  I don't like them at all.  Apart from having little trust in them, their watermark is pitiful, their customer service is non-existent and the drop in contributors' already low commissions was a massive insult.

Fotolia has become a joke I'm afraid.  I won't miss them.

Agree completely!

« Reply #19 on: March 04, 2011, 15:42 »
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Wow I just recieved my first 20 credit EL at fotolia....I was shocked to learn that I only receive $4 for an Extended license sale.....that has got to be the lowest in the industry, I don't understand who they are competing with at such a low EL price when no one else is even that close, certainly they could raise it and still be competitive.

You decide the EL price when you upload, if you want it to sell for more than 20 credits raise the amount.

It looks like I can only chose between 10 and 20 credits ($2-$4) for an Extended license sale. That's pretty messed up if that's the case.
« Last Edit: March 04, 2011, 15:45 by lightscribe »

sc

« Reply #20 on: March 04, 2011, 15:44 »
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Oh didn't realize that, thanks. just went to try to change that, can't figure out how to change that for all images? any idea.

One by one -- or contact support and ask them to change all of them to the same level.

« Reply #21 on: March 04, 2011, 15:46 »
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Oh didn't realize that, thanks. just went to try to change that, can't figure out how to change that for all images? any idea.

One by one -- or contact support and ask them to change all of them to the same level.

just edited my post, looks like 20 credits is the highest

sc

« Reply #22 on: March 04, 2011, 17:08 »
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Oh didn't realize that, thanks. just went to try to change that, can't figure out how to change that for all images? any idea.

One by one -- or contact support and ask them to change all of them to the same level.

just edited my post, looks like 20 credits is the highest

It does depend on what canister level you are at for how much you can charge.

jbarber873

« Reply #23 on: March 04, 2011, 20:44 »
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My RPD sucks too.  And, of course, it's in U.S. $ also. 

January 71% subs downloads / .59 rpd
Feb 81% subs downloads  / .56 rpd

I always wondered if I was opted into the ONLY-SUBS AND PATHETICALLY SMALL DOWNLOADS program.

Thats the program i am in.  ;D.  What a waste of time fotolia has become.

« Reply #24 on: March 05, 2011, 05:08 »
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no sales(even sub) plus low price... nothing to add... :-\

« Reply #25 on: March 05, 2011, 21:58 »
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RPD=38c in Feb for me. The 30% tax only bites part of it, but it still hurts. It was 74c Feb 2010.

« Reply #26 on: March 06, 2011, 07:37 »
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I guess I'm in the minority here (I usually tend to be).

I don't track number of downloads.  I only care about revenue, so I track that on a daily basis and calculate daily and monthly RPI, so it's easy to pull these numbers:

Feb 2010:  $.52 RPI for month
Feb 2011:  $.97 RPI for month

Yes, the commission cut sucks, but I have very warm feelings for Fotolia these days.  In the past year they went from being my #4 earner to #1, leapfrogging over SS, IS and DT. 

I have no explanation for this, but am hoping it continues!

« Reply #27 on: March 06, 2011, 08:44 »
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Year 2009: 1.08$
Year 2010: 0.78$
2011 so fare: 0.90$

Mostly Illustrations here.

« Reply #28 on: March 06, 2011, 12:45 »
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It is not valid to compare RPI with RPD.

I has just checked my last 20 sales, only 4 were not subs, and those were 3 XS and one M.  Of my last 50 sales, none of the non-subs were L or above.

« Reply #29 on: March 06, 2011, 13:37 »
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It is not valid to compare RPI with RPD.

I has just checked my last 20 sales, only 4 were not subs, and those were 3 XS and one M.  Of my last 50 sales, none of the non-subs were L or above.


I never said RPI was comparable to RPD.  Clearly these are different types of measurement.

My point is that in 12 months my port increased by about 50% in size, yet my total revenue went up 200%.  Anyone telling me I should be upset with Fotolia because my RPD might have gone down is crazy.  FT is my top agency now, with sales and revenue through the roof, far outpacing the increase in my port.  Frankly, I don't care what the RPD is now compared to a year ago.  The proof that matters to me -- money in my pocket -- is looking great.

« Reply #30 on: March 06, 2011, 13:56 »
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The proof that matters to me -- money in my pocket -- is looking great.

I like that sentence :p. After all, it's the end results that counts I guess. Wheter it's 1000$ from 500 sales or 1000$ from 2000 ;p

« Reply #31 on: March 06, 2011, 14:27 »
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I will never understand stock and his contributors.. one day "we" want big royalties other "we" want volume no matter the rpd.. maybe thats why we keep being screwed..

« Reply #32 on: March 06, 2011, 17:25 »
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I have very warm feelings for Fotolia these days.  In the past year they went from being my #4 earner to #1, leapfrogging over Shutterstock, IS and Dreamstime. 

I have no explanation for this, but am hoping it continues!

Very strange. It doesn't reflect Fot's position in the side-bar or my own experience. A year ago, Fotolia was challenging for third place in my earnings chart  (it actually was third last March), now it seems likely to slip to fifth or lower.

« Reply #33 on: March 07, 2011, 03:41 »
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My RPD sucks too.  And, of course, it's in U.S. $ also. 

January 71% subs downloads / .59 rpd
Feb 81% subs downloads  / .56 rpd

I always wondered if I was opted into the ONLY-SUBS AND PATHETICALLY SMALL DOWNLOADS program.

Thats the program i am in.  ;D.  What a waste of time fotolia has become.


Terrible, isn't it?  I'm looking to the right, and it looks to me like Fotolia is falling toward Mid-Tier status pretty quickly.  How many people are going to support them if they fall into Mid-Tier, given their terrible commission structure?  They could have a real struggle on their hands trying to keep/attract contributors.


 

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