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« Reply #50 on: January 20, 2011, 08:44 »
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rant all you can . nothing will ever change.


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« Reply #51 on: January 20, 2011, 08:48 »
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the future looks bleak, very bleak...

I think the future of stock in general is bright for a small percentage of contributors who are the right type. This is a culling and the people who are not the right type, or are the right type and are just fed-up, will leave.

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« Reply #52 on: January 20, 2011, 08:50 »
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rant all you can . nothing will ever change.

Things can change, but not by ranting.

« Reply #53 on: January 20, 2011, 08:58 »
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We are guilty for all of this... We can expect more and more agencies to do the same, especially from "...top tier"

Fees for mediation and marketing should not exceed the manufacturer's profit, in this case the ours!!!
Everything below 50% is thievery because this is Agency bussines...

We can tolerate till 40% but below that isn't good...

So, there is many ways how to fight against this, not only deleting of photos and closing account because these are top agencies...
« Last Edit: January 20, 2011, 09:24 by borg »

« Reply #54 on: January 20, 2011, 08:59 »
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anyone dares to delete from fotolia?

I might talk to Pat Lor about it first, but squeezing the littlest guys does not sit well with me.

jbarber873

« Reply #55 on: January 20, 2011, 09:01 »
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  Fotolia has become a distant 4th for me. Coupled with bizarre and inconsistent rejections, they basically sell the same few images over and over for less and less money. Most of my sales there are becoming subs anyway, so it's rapidly getting to the point where it's not worth the trouble. Just when Istock screws everyone over, Fotolia blows a chance to bring in new contributors and instead plays follow the leader- all the way down, it seems. So far, they are just proving that SS and DT are the only ones with a good chance of using Istock's folly to their advantage. Let's hope they don't do the same thing.

lagereek

« Reply #56 on: January 20, 2011, 09:16 »
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As I said, doesnt bother me, a cut in commissions! happens all the time and in various busineses. IS, got away with it because IS has become for many a way of living, reached almost cult status and inspite of the cut, people with fairly large ports, will still earn good money.
Few years back I said, buyers leaving agencies will not have any effect, since new buyers are coming all the time. The only thing which can ruin Micro are the Micros themselves and we are slowly, slowly seeing this industry falling apart.
The only kind of contributor that will persevere are newbies, beginners and small ports, i.e. havent really got anything to loose.

Exclusivity!!  has all of a sudden got a very nice cling to it and lets be fair, many of us I imagine are fulltime commercial photographers with lots of obligations to meet, when all the other agencies are following suite, who on earth have got the time to sit there uploading, keywording, post-processing and all and in the end for less then half of what we are getting now.

« Reply #57 on: January 20, 2011, 09:57 »
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Edited- Never mind.
« Last Edit: January 20, 2011, 09:59 by cthoman »

« Reply #58 on: January 20, 2011, 10:06 »
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I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but I am.  And I shouldn't feel offended, but I do.  Fotolia had moved into 2nd for me, thanks to iStock lowering my royalty and tanking in general.  I took a stand against iStock, deleting a few images every day, and I'll do the same with Fotolia.  My uploads there stop now, and I've begun to delete my port.  I'm doing it slowly; might as well get whatever money I can from them.  And I won't miss their one-at-a-time submission process.

traveler1116

« Reply #59 on: January 20, 2011, 10:25 »
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I just hope Shutterstock will not do that. I am am almost certain Dreamstime will not do that (though who knows)

Why wouldn't they?
DT has done it before and if they do you are stuck for 6 months with no way to leave even though they changed their %, it's in the TOS is what they'll say too.

« Reply #60 on: January 20, 2011, 10:39 »
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I love Shutterstock and I am really not happy about commissions decrease at Fotolia.
But to be fair - Fotolia's revenue for subscription download is still higher that on SS. (..and for me personally RPD at Fotolia is 3 x  higher)
Seems that Shutterstock prepared long-term financial balance better than others.
On the other hand - this gives me hope that Shutterstock will not follow iS and Fotolia.

« Reply #61 on: January 20, 2011, 10:40 »
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I'd say it was unbelievable, but unfortunately, I believe it :(

If anything will keep me as an IS exclusive - and my finger keeps wobbling over the big red button to push to start the 30 day clock on canceling exclusivity - perhaps it's the scummy tactics of other agencies. Of which this change is the latest shining example.

Congrats to those who get to keep their commissions, but for heavens sakes keep a weather eye out as the saying goes. They'll be looking to cut your take too as soon as they figure out how to do it without you walking.

rubyroo

« Reply #62 on: January 20, 2011, 10:44 »
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Seems that Shutterstock prepared long-term financial balance better than others.

This is my feeling too.  So many frequent changes elsewhere strongly suggest short-term thinking to me.  (Or clumsy adjustments to inaccurate forecasting).

« Reply #63 on: January 20, 2011, 10:53 »
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It is like a bunch of gas stations on a busy corner. FT raises prices a few cents and DT across the street does too and then IS on the opposite corner does also and FT sees that they are still just as busy, but they make more money, so they raise them another 5%. Except in this case they are lowering contributors % age.

SS on the final corner maybe started out a bit higher and now they are still just as busy as they have always been.

Maybe that is a poor analogy, but it still sucks for the contributors, especially the mid to bottom tier ones.

« Reply #64 on: January 20, 2011, 10:56 »
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anyone dares to delete from fotolia?
Yes. I'm so unfamiliar with the site and/or they did hide the payout link so well that I can't find it.

rubyroo

« Reply #65 on: January 20, 2011, 10:59 »
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Credits -> Conversions -> Convert Credits

(it is well hidden though!)

microstockphoto.co.uk

« Reply #66 on: January 20, 2011, 11:01 »
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the future looks bleak, very bleak...

I think the future of stock in general is bright for a small percentage of contributors who are the right type. This is a culling and the people who are not the right type, or are the right type and are just fed-up, will leave.

The right type may be those which will survive until the day the most will find it unsustainable and leave. This has little to do with style and abilities, and a lot to do with luck: already having a large port and doing this as a second job helps. I feel very sorry for newbies and for people living on microstock alone.
« Last Edit: January 20, 2011, 11:23 by microstockphoto.co.uk »

« Reply #67 on: January 20, 2011, 11:01 »
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Oh crap. We can only expect DT doing the same next.

Change of rank level?  That is something so unlikely these days. Yes, I know I have a small portfolio, but anyway, they make it sound like everyone was getting a high commission.

I see myself each time further away from microstock.
« Last Edit: January 20, 2011, 11:18 by madelaide »

« Reply #68 on: January 20, 2011, 11:03 »
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Credits -> Conversions -> Convert Credits
Thanks.

« Reply #69 on: January 20, 2011, 11:24 »
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  Fotolia has become a distant 4th for me. Coupled with bizarre and inconsistent rejections, they basically sell the same few images over and over for less and less money. Most of my sales there are becoming subs anyway, so it's rapidly getting to the point where it's not worth the trouble. Just when Istock screws everyone over, Fotolia blows a chance to bring in new contributors and instead plays follow the leader- all the way down, it seems. So far, they are just proving that SS and DT are the only ones with a good chance of using Istock's folly to their advantage. Let's hope they don't do the same thing.

I hope your right but with Microstock being a business the focus is on the buyers first!   If buyers are happy with the product and prices then the business will always find ways to maintain and/or maximize profit.   It's more important now for us contributors to know your worth to this industry and act on it when neccessary!

lagereek

« Reply #70 on: January 20, 2011, 11:30 »
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FT,  has really handed IS, the one excuse to photographers, to go exclusive with IS and on a GIANT GOLDEN plate!  the actual timing of this is in one word, DREADFUL, 
never have IS, had so few to thank for so much.

traveler1116

« Reply #71 on: January 20, 2011, 11:35 »
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FT,  has really handed IS, the one excuse to photographers, to go exclusive with IS and on a GIANT GOLDEN plate!  the actual timing of this is in one word, DREADFUL, 
never have IS, had so few to thank for so much.
It may also keep a few from dropping IS exclusivity. 

« Reply #72 on: January 20, 2011, 11:40 »
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Well, I won't be sorry to say goodbye to these b*stards.  Not to mention, my rpd this month at FT is 50.7 cents.  My rpd at SS is $1.69.  Can someone please remind me which one is the subs agency again? 

You can't believe what a good job I did at masking my real emotions in this post.

helix7

« Reply #73 on: January 20, 2011, 11:58 »
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It may also keep a few from dropping IS exclusivity. 

Bingo. FT just gave istock a nice New Year's gift. Why drop the crown in favor of the competition when the competition is cutting rates too?

Kind of makes microstock in general start to look "unsustainable." Too many more of these cuts and I think I could call it quits and focus entirely on my design business.

« Reply #74 on: January 20, 2011, 12:01 »
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cannot belive in this SHI*.. a person is doing his best to reach other ranks levels and now for what??.. to reach 25 instead of 31??.. another 5% cut sweet :)

thanks IS :)


 

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