Author Topic: Fotolia D-Day (Deactivation Day) - May,1 (Read 332672 times)

grumble · « **on:** April 25, 2014, 16:30 »

Important: you can opt out from DPC on fotolia web site My Account > My Profile > Contributor Parameters > Sell my files on DPC - click Modify (Make sure the text now reads "Don't sell my files on DPC") and Save parameters.
Rread this post and this forum thread to know why it is important to do.
Consider reading the following post on SS forum, too - http://submit.shutterstock.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2679199#2679199
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Some of you already know about new Fotolia's child site Dollar Photo Club.
DPC offers High-res images and vectors, unlimited print runs, unlimited image use for just 1$ per image. Fotolia says that it's just another subscribtion plan and the licence is equal to FT Standart Royalty-Free license, and that this site is only for selected group of volume buyers. The reality is different: anyone can become a member of this "Club" just for 99$ a year which includes 99 high-res image downloads, unused downloads transfer year to year and you can buy a lot more additional images for just 1$ per image whith no runs limitation at all.
If you have portfolio on Fotolia, all your images are already represented on Dollar Photo Club(dot)com. And of course no opt-out.
According to the Fotolia's CEO Oleg Tscheltzoff interview they are going to invest big money into advertising. I guess soon can say "goodbye" to credit/on-demand purchases on FT, SS and more.
There are lots of discussions going on about this issue on Russian speaking forums. Many contributors don't agree to participate in the "Club".
So what we have to the date..
Today FT closed related thread on their forum http://us.fotolia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=44095&p=2.
FT representative came to main Russian speaking forums and instead of answering contributors doubts and questions started to copy&paste standart FT support BS.
Today some volunteers started the developing of petition website boycottfotolia.org. There will be a collective petition to Fotolia requesting opt-out function from the DollarPhotoClub or at least introduction of 1) limited runs, 2) reduction of the available sizes from XXL до L, 3) raster copies instead of vectors. The site will also show number of people signed the petition and number of deleted images. English and Russian versions will be available. I'll try my best to update information regarding boycottfotolia.org developing.

Acording to this thread http://www.microstock.ru/forum/showthread.php?t=14084 today (April,25) Fotolia lost 5000+ images/videos and counting.
A lot more images will be deleted on May,1.
Today MicrostockSubmitter developers kindly introduced new free feature "Remove Fotolia images"

It will help to save your time. You can delete any number of your files. Files are deleted sequentially, so you can cancel the process any time. You can choose to delete top or least downloaded files.
So, welcome to join Fotolia Deactivation Day - May, 1.

UPDATE: boycottfotolia.org petition website is up and running, both English and Russian versions are avaliable. Please, support and share. 846 contributors have already signed petition (as of April, 28). Thank you.
Consider reading this important information.
UPDATE (April, 30): read my Reply #379 in this thread.

Ron · « **Reply #1 on:** April 25, 2014, 16:40 »

The moderator in that thread says its a good thing and that the comments about Dollar club are wrong. He is a stock photographer himself, so whats the story? Is it a bad thing or not?

Ron · « **Reply #2 on:** April 25, 2014, 16:42 »

You would get more support translating this website to English

http://boycottfotolia.org/

grumble · « **Reply #3 on:** April 25, 2014, 16:46 »

Quote from: Ron on April 25, 2014, 16:42

You would get more support translating this website to English
http://boycottfotolia.org/

Developing started today, so it's only a draft of the site and as I said English version will be avaliable.

tickstock · « **Reply #4 on:** April 25, 2014, 16:54 »

stocked · « **Reply #5 on:** April 25, 2014, 17:43 »

Quote from: Ron on April 25, 2014, 16:40

The moderator in that thread says its a good thing and that the comments about Dollar club are wrong. He is a stock photographer himself, so whats the story? Is it a bad thing or not?

he is paid by Fotolia what do you expect? he will tell you that blue is red if Fotolia tells him to do so.

stocked · « **Reply #6 on:** April 25, 2014, 17:46 »

I think its even worse contributors only get paid for additional downloads the monthly/yearly fee goes to 100% to Fotolias hands.

Mantis · « **Reply #7 on:** April 25, 2014, 17:49 »

Mrs. Fotolia is sleeping with mr. Deposit Photos.

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #8 on:** April 25, 2014, 17:51 »

Having walked away from several sites over the lack of an opt out for partner deals and other anti-contributor options, if I were still with Fotolia I'd join your May day rally. As it is, I can just cheer you on from the sidelines

Publicize this wherever you can ( including on Twitter, where they're promoting the Dollar Photo Club heavily). Getting the word out to designers that content is going away might make them less inclined to sign up.

Did you see the promotional video they made for Dollar Photo Club?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E3SkLrkjoY

And as far as who owns it, on Twitter they're telling people that Fotolia is their parent company

https://twitter.com/DollarPhotoClub/status/459300955239223296

Edited to add a link to a post a made a couple of months ago when this sad site first appeared - explaining how much more Fotolia will make of the total buyer price compared to their current plans. It's a a truly despicable attempt to screw everyone while making a little more money for themselves - at least in the short term.

http://us.fotolia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=44095&p=2

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #9 on:** April 25, 2014, 17:57 »

For example, reply to tweets like this with a link to a web site explaining the boycott to get the word out

https://twitter.com/AzraelGroup/status/459761389897142272

ruxpriencdiam · « **Reply #10 on:** April 25, 2014, 18:11 »

Left FT years ago after reading about the unlimited print runs and more but for those leaving remember this from FT.

Quote from: FT

You can decide to remove your files from the database at any time. In this case, your files may remain online and available for sale for 3 months. They are definitely removed after this period of 3 months.

fotoramka · « **Reply #11 on:** April 25, 2014, 18:49 »

Hi All!
My name is Andy, i'm developer of boycottfotolia.org site.

At first - i'm very sorry for my possibly poor English - it isn't my native language. I won't use Translator because it can give unexpected results which can be wrong understood. Anyway, i hope all can will read my messages correctly.

It's a fact, that dollarphotoclub.com are subsidiary of project Fotolia.com. These projects are owned by same people.

I want to say thanks to grumblee, for starting this topic.

And now let me say some words about situation with dollarphotoclub.com

We're thinking, that if dollarphotoclub.com will get mass traffic from advertisment - it'll kill all "Single/Demand" sales from Shutterstock and other microstocks in near future.
Why? Because this project will create mass underbidding. And this will affect ALL microstocks. Owner of Fotolia.com wants to get mass piece of microstock's market. But have you thought - WHAT cost will you pay for this as contributor?
Simply compare licenses. Shutterstock standard license allow to create only 250k of copies. Fotolia.com standard license allow to create only 500k of copies. Dollarphotoclub.com allows unlimited qty of copies.

Shutterstock.com standard license for 5 images costs 49$.
Fotolia.com image cost varies from 2-3 $ for Small size up to 10-15$ for XXL size.
Dollarphotoclub.com sell your images in XXL size only 1$ / image.

Think about this. You not only will lose "Singles/Demands" sales on other microstocks. You'll lost even Fotolia.com Singles.

Please, think as your Customer. Why you need to pay 10$ for a XXL Image on Fotolia.com, when you can pay 10$ for 10 XXL images? Why you need to buy Shutterstock subscription when you can buy needed images for cheap price?

Are you ready to see "0,24USD, 0,24USD, 0,24USD, 0,24USD, 0,24USD, 0,24USD, 0,24USD, 0,24USD" in your stats in near future?

At this moment our requirements in petition changed to more hard

We require to completely done ONE of two actions from Fotolia.com:

1) Close dollarphotoclub.com until moment, when Fotolia.com will completely discuss with us all financial, legal and other questions and will listen to us

OR

2) Transform dollarphotoclub.com into project with voluntary participation
- Fotolia.com need to remove ALL materials from dollarphotoclub.com
- Fotolia.com need to include "I want to participate in dollarphotoclub.com project" option into settings of your account and this option should be DISABLED by default.
- Fotolia.com should make mass mails to contributors and invite it to open place for discussion about dollarphotoclub.com. This place shouldn't be moderated by Fotolia.com
- Fotolia.com should set Standard licensing rules on dollarphotoclub.com using same licence rules from Fotolia.com and disable all subscriptions, which cost less than 99$.

If Fotolia.com won't completely done one of this required actions - many Russian-speaking stockers will delete many/all of their works from Fotolia.com May, 1st to prevent mass underbidding and save their earnings.

I ask you to support our protest against stocker's income reduction. Only we together can prevent it.
Tomorrow we'll translate our site into English so you can participate in protest. Also we'll add FB/Twi/ sharing buttons.

Each participant which will be ready to delete part/all works from Fotolia.com May 1st is extremely important for us.

It's time to break "language, time and geo" barriers. Only together we can do this.

All notes, offers and questions about site you can send to me - [email protected]
All offers about main protest movement can be sent to our coordinator - [email protected]

Thanks for your time and i hope you'll support your foreighn colleagues.
We need to be together!

Ron · « **Reply #12 on:** April 26, 2014, 00:04 »

Quote from: stocked on April 25, 2014, 17:43

Quote from: Ron on April 25, 2014, 16:40
The moderator in that thread says its a good thing and that the comments about Dollar club are wrong. He is a stock photographer himself, so whats the story? Is it a bad thing or not?

he is paid by Fotolia what do you expect? he will tell you that blue is red if Fotolia tells him to do so.

Well, for what its worth I thought the guy had some integrity. If I look at it with neutral eyes, maybe Fotolia fed him the same garbage as they fed us.

stocked · « **Reply #13 on:** April 26, 2014, 00:42 »

Quote from: Ron on April 26, 2014, 00:04

Quote from: stocked on April 25, 2014, 17:43
Quote from: Ron on April 25, 2014, 16:40
The moderator in that thread says its a good thing and that the comments about Dollar club are wrong. He is a stock photographer himself, so whats the story? Is it a bad thing or not?

he is paid by Fotolia what do you expect? he will tell you that blue is red if Fotolia tells him to do so.
Well, for what its worth I thought the guy had some integrity. If I look at it with neutral eyes, maybe Fotolia fed him the same garbage as they fed us.

you can have no integrity and backbone and still be a nice guy

stocked · « **Reply #14 on:** April 26, 2014, 00:47 »

Hi Andy, I will support you action against Fotolia is long overdue.

roede-orm · « **Reply #15 on:** April 26, 2014, 01:17 »

The deadline is too short. Many contributors outside Russia know nothing yet from the D-day!

Ron · « **Reply #16 on:** April 26, 2014, 01:21 »

Quote from: stocked on April 26, 2014, 00:42

Quote from: Ron on April 26, 2014, 00:04
Quote from: stocked on April 25, 2014, 17:43
Quote from: Ron on April 25, 2014, 16:40
The moderator in that thread says its a good thing and that the comments about Dollar club are wrong. He is a stock photographer himself, so whats the story? Is it a bad thing or not?

he is paid by Fotolia what do you expect? he will tell you that blue is red if Fotolia tells him to do so.
Well, for what its worth I thought the guy had some integrity. If I look at it with neutral eyes, maybe Fotolia fed him the same garbage as they fed us.
you can have no integrity and backbone and still be a nice guy

? I didnt talk about being a nice guy. Its about why he keeps putting out contradicting information.

He says 3 things which are incorrect:
1. Licence is not unlimited - It is
2. Dollar club is not owned by Fotolia - It is
3. Dollar club is exclusive to some buyers only - It isnt

Why does he keep putting that out when clearly its wrong and he has been shown numerous times its wrong?

stocked · « **Reply #17 on:** April 26, 2014, 01:25 »

Quote from: Ron on April 26, 2014, 01:21

Why does he keep putting that out when clearly its wrong and he has been shown numerous times its wrong?

Money!

Ron · « **Reply #18 on:** April 26, 2014, 01:36 »

Quote from: stocked on April 26, 2014, 01:25

Quote from: Ron on April 26, 2014, 01:21

Why does he keep putting that out when clearly its wrong and he has been shown numerous times its wrong?
Money!

Fair enough, but I would have expected he would have walked away from this as he is a stock photographer. Telling your own colleagues its a good thing, knowing it isnt, is not cool. It cant be good for him either, unless they compensate his loss of earning with a pay check.

Anyhoo, this isnt about the moderator, this is about FT.

I have a question, how do we know a sale came from the dollar club?

stocked · « **Reply #19 on:** April 26, 2014, 01:46 »

It's a sub but if you optioned in for emails-notification for sales you you get your email-notice from the sale from [email protected] instead [email protected] as a normal subsale.

Ron · « **Reply #20 on:** April 26, 2014, 01:57 »

Quote from: stocked on April 26, 2014, 01:46

It's a sub but if you optioned in for emails-notification for sales you you get your email-notice from the sale from [email protected] instead [email protected] as a normal subsale.

Thanks, I was wondering if they changed their email address, but those are dollar club sales then. Ok, so its starting to happen.

stocked · « **Reply #21 on:** April 26, 2014, 02:09 »

Quote from: Ron on April 26, 2014, 01:57

Quote from: stocked on April 26, 2014, 01:46
It's a sub but if you optioned in for emails-notification for sales you you get your email-notice from the sale from [email protected] instead [email protected] as a normal subsale.
Thanks, I was wondering if they changed their email address, but those are dollar club sales then. Ok, so its starting to happen.

I'm pretty sure it's an oversight on their part, they don't want you to see what a dollar club sale is they will probably change the email-adress from dollar club as soon they get aware of it. But for the moment enjoy your insights and keep your self reminded that every email from [email protected] could have been an EL at Shutterstock.

Pilens · « **Reply #22 on:** April 26, 2014, 02:10 »

Quote from: Ron on April 26, 2014, 01:57

Quote from: stocked on April 26, 2014, 01:46
It's a sub but if you optioned in for emails-notification for sales you you get your email-notice from the sale from [email protected] instead [email protected] as a normal subsale.
Thanks, I was wondering if they changed their email address, but those are dollar club sales then. Ok, so its starting to happen.

I don't know. Something is wrong. I get also credit sale e-mails from [email protected]. How can that be?

stocked · « **Reply #23 on:** April 26, 2014, 02:18 »

Quote from: Pilens on April 26, 2014, 02:10

I don't know. Something is wrong. I get also credit sale e-mails from [email protected]. How can that be?

Sure? How much?

Pilens · « **Reply #24 on:** April 26, 2014, 02:37 »

Quote from: stocked on April 26, 2014, 02:18

Quote from: Pilens on April 26, 2014, 02:10

I don't know. Something is wrong. I get also credit sale e-mails from [email protected]. How can that be?
Sure? How much?

Sure! 3 out of my most recent 10 credit sale notifications (6 + 8 + 10 credits) came from [email protected].

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