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« Reply #1125 on: May 16, 2014, 10:14 »
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See what you think of this:

(recipient's name),

You don't know me, but I'm a stock photographer too (give link or user name). I'm not sure if you're aware of Fotolia's new (started in January 2014) project, the Dollar Photo Club. It's a subscription-like, low price site where for $10 a month, a buyer gets 10 images (any size) or vectors and additional images are $1 each.

By default, all Fotolia content is opted in for sale at the Dollar Photo Club (DPC), and contributor receives a subscription royalty (according to level) on each sale even though the terms of these "image packs", chiefly that they roll over, make them more like incredibly cheap credit sales.

Why opt out? Contributors are concerned about converting existing buyers from credit purchases - which net the contributor much more - to DPC because of the incredibly low buy-in. To get subscription deals at Shutterstock or Fotolia, a buyer has to spend $249 a month, but at DPC it's just $10. On Fotolia you have to pay $14 for the smallest package of credits (10) which will get you just one XXL image, so even if a buyer needed just one image, it'd be cheaper to get it via DPC.

In summary, DPC gives huge volume discounts without a volume commitment.

In an interview Fotolia's CEO gave, he made it clear that he's looking to move buyers from Shutterstock and iStock to DPC, which for almost all contributors would result in a big drop in income.

http://techcrunch.com/2014/04/29/dollarphotoclub-expands-into-more-markets-hits-11000-users/

If you already know all about this, then theres no need to read further - thank  you for your time.

If you were not aware of DPC, I'd like to strongly urge you to opt your portfolio out of DPC sales. Here's how to do that (as it's hard to find):

Go to your Contributor page.
Under My Account, select My Profile (https://us.fotolia.com/Member/Modify).
Select Contributor Parameters (https://us.fotolia.com/Member/Modify/Contributor).
Find Sell my files on DPC and click Modify.
Save parameters
Check that where you ticked actually says, "do not share on DPC" - it's a toggle and can easily get switched

Another thing to consider is suspending uploads to Fotolia until the terms of the sales via DPC are improved - where that would involve the contributor getting credit towards level from DPC sales and the minimum monthly and annual ($99 a year for 99 images) buy-ins be raised.

It's also worth pointing out that the opt out was not initially available - contributors were told by Fotolia support that they'd have to remove their portfolios from Fotolia to remove them from DPC. A group of contributors started a boycott and at the beginning of May close to 1 million images were removed from Fotolia portfolios, prompting Fotolia to offer an opt out choice.

Fotolia has since also raised the contributor royalties on monthly subscriptions (but not for sales through DPC) hoping to stem the tide of images opted out - close to 6 million images are now opted out from DPC, disproportionately among the best selling selections. Buyers have taken notice!

I'd be happy to answer any questions you have, or provide you with more links to where you can read about this. Check out this set of links for a start.

http://www.microstockgroup.com/fotolia-com/how-to-opt-out-of-dollar-photo-club/msg379729/#msg379729

regards,

(your name)

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« Last Edit: June 12, 2014, 08:41 by leaf »


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« Reply #1126 on: May 16, 2014, 10:28 »
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FT is taking a hit.

They are now sending emails to contributors that deleted their FT accounts asking them to come back and they will still have them opted out of the DPC deal.

So they must be getting hurt pretty bad.

Quote
I got an email from FT this morning asking me to come back, and that all I have to do is open ticket and they'll put my files back, and that they'll opt me out of DPC.


http://submit.shutterstock.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=138027&start=600

« Reply #1127 on: May 16, 2014, 10:37 »
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Jo Ann, I am not a native speaker, but I think this is great. Thank you, I just love your texts :)

« Reply #1128 on: May 16, 2014, 11:15 »
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After receiving the email asking me to re-instate deleted files, I have decided to take down another 20 to make sure they know I'm serious about them killing off DPC.

« Reply #1129 on: May 16, 2014, 11:26 »
+10

And thanks Svetlana - it could be a ton shorter than the above, but it would be a whole lot ruder :)

May I suggest that if people are going to write, we need to keep track of who has been contacted? I don't have time to manage that right now though.

And that before you write you are sure that the contributor is (a) still on Fotolia and (b) still opted in to DPC (if you click on one of their images in a DPC search and you don't see the larger preview, it means they've opted out but it hasn't yet gone from search)? We don't want to contact the same people multiple times or badger those already opted out.

PhotoBomb contacted me with a list he'd assembled with some contributors and e-mail addresses. I started checking portfolios last night and found several were already opted out (Danny Smythe/rimglow and Daniel Dash). I have already contacted keeweeboy (opted out)

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« Last Edit: June 12, 2014, 08:41 by leaf »

« Reply #1130 on: May 16, 2014, 11:56 »
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And thanks Svetlana - it could be a ton shorter than the above, but it would be a whole lot ruder :)

May I suggest that if people are going to write, we need to keep track of who has been contacted? I don't have time to manage that right now though.

And that before you write you are sure that the contributor is (a) still on Fotolia and (b) still opted in to DPC (if you click on one of their images in a DPC search and you don't see the larger preview, it means they've opted out but it hasn't yet gone from search)? We don't want to contact the same people multiple times or badger those already opted out.

PhotoBomb contacted me with a list he'd assembled with some contributors and e-mail addresses. I started checking portfolios last night and found several were already opted out (Danny Smythe/rimglow and Daniel Dash). I have already contacted keeweeboy (opted out) PhotoEuphoria (no reply) Leah-Anne Thompson and Ljupco (not aware of DPC and will look into it).  We can't put people's e-mail addresses into a public forum, so I won't post the list, but if it's OK with him, I can post a link to the spreadsheet with the information that's in my dropbox folder.

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That's fine with me. I need to figure out now how to add to the list.
« Last Edit: June 12, 2014, 08:42 by leaf »

« Reply #1131 on: May 16, 2014, 12:08 »
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I see some contributors opted in to DPC, like ****

not very clever...
what people do for a 5% commission... 
 ::)
In some months don't come back mourning about your drop of On Demands on Shutterstock.

admin edit: name removed. this shouldn't be a witch hunt.  let people decide to do what they please. 
« Last Edit: May 16, 2014, 13:05 by leaf »

Ron

« Reply #1132 on: May 16, 2014, 12:14 »
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I see some contributors opted in to DPC, like xxxxxxx,

not very clever...
what people do for a 5% commission... 
 ::)
In some months don't come back mourning about your drop of On Demands on Shutterstock.
Lets not make this a witch hunt. Everyone is free to do what they want. Its not about getting a 5% commission, its about losing a lot more money for people that probably need the money. Dont name and shame.

« Reply #1133 on: May 16, 2014, 12:22 »
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They must be laughing so hard right now....  :P

« Reply #1134 on: May 16, 2014, 12:25 »
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Didn't they privately sweeten the pot for some of the contributors they really wanted to keep? 

That was a question - not a statement....This thread is so long I am not going to look for it.

« Reply #1135 on: May 16, 2014, 12:30 »
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They must be laughing so hard right now....  :P

I dont know about that. It is still early days and as they say "he who laughs last laughs longest".

As Ron said, let us not comment about anyone's decision to remain in DPC. Let us hope for the best as we create more DPC awareness and hopefully more OPT OUTs.

« Reply #1136 on: May 16, 2014, 12:31 »
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I've removed this post about a list of names.

This is all getting way too complicated.

I'll try to help as I can, but I just don't have much time and can't think of any other quick and easy way to coordinate but still respect people's privacy.

And for what it's worth, I think the e-mails on the list were obtained from PhotoDune - in other words there was nothing in there that wasn't already on a web site.

Leaf - there are two posts that quote what used to be in this post. The link was still in the quotes (with your text saying you'd blocked it; something's not right with how that is working) but I have removed the file from my public folder so clicking on the link gets a 404 error.
« Last Edit: May 16, 2014, 15:55 by Jo Ann Snover »

« Reply #1137 on: May 16, 2014, 12:40 »
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They must be laughing so hard right now....  :P

I dont know about that. It is still early days and as they say "he who laughs last laughs longest".

As Ron said, let us not comment about anyone's decision to remain in DPC. Let us hope for the best as we create more DPC awareness and hopefully more OPT OUTs.

Yeah I know but I am just in shock right now... I think people need to think and to remain strong and together. At least I hoped they would.
As I said before, the opt out and the increase where achieved thanks to those who fought.

Anyway, my work will be on Shutterstock from now on... No yes-i-accept-whatever-you-do-with-my-work for me.

« Reply #1138 on: May 16, 2014, 12:42 »
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They must be laughing so hard right now....  :P

I dont know about that. It is still early days and as they say "he who laughs last laughs longest".

As Ron said, let us not comment about anyone's decision to remain in DPC. Let us hope for the best as we create more DPC awareness and hopefully more OPT OUTs.

Yeah I know but I am just in shock right now... I think people need to think and to remain strong and together. At least I hoped they would.
As I said before, the opt out and the increase where achieved thanks to those who fought.

Anyway, my work will be on Shutterstock from now on... No yes-i-accept-whatever-you-do-with-my-work for me.

I understand and thanks for your stance on this issue :)

H2O

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« Reply #1139 on: May 16, 2014, 13:07 »
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So here's the list that PhotoBomb made (and I've added the extra set of names you e-mailed me)

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/12956972/LINK REMOVED DUE TO PUBLIC DISPLAY OF EMAIL ADDRESSES

Let me know if you have any trouble accessing it - Steve (PhotoBomb) said it didn't work for him. If that doesn't work I can try GoogleDrive instead (with Google's spreadsheet which anyone can edit online).

Perhaps an email should be sent to Mat Hayward

« Reply #1140 on: May 16, 2014, 13:09 »
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Interesting ...

« Reply #1141 on: May 16, 2014, 13:10 »
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Personally i'm sort of on the fence about this whole DPC thing.  I'm opted out but not 100% certain it'll stay that way always - especially if they make some changes to DPC such as a higher buy in.

What I'd like to say however is, I'm happy the Fotolia seems to be listening to contributors and that banding together is possible and can show an agency how we feel - but don't make this a witch hunt.  That isn't how we work as a team or support eachother.  If members who are opted in (or out) are listed for ridcule or similar, the post will be removed.  One name has already been removed from a post.

I didn't realize that link to the excel sheet contained the email addresses to people.   Publishing peoples email address online without their consent is not OK for any reason.  I've blocked that link now.
« Last Edit: May 16, 2014, 13:48 by leaf »

« Reply #1142 on: May 16, 2014, 13:15 »
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So here's the list that PhotoBomb made (and I've added the extra set of names you e-mailed me)

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/12956972/LINK REMOVED DUE TO PUBLIC DISPLAY OF EMAIL ADDRESSES

Let me know if you have any trouble accessing it - Steve (PhotoBomb) said it didn't work for him. If that doesn't work I can try GoogleDrive instead (with Google's spreadsheet which anyone can edit online).

Perhaps an email should be sent to Mat Hayward

Why do we send this letter to Fotolia's employee?

« Reply #1143 on: May 16, 2014, 13:19 »
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I deleted all my files from fotolia few days ago, today received email that if I wish, they will put all my files back.

Is fotolia keeping our hi-res files, even if we delete it.?


Following is email from them.

Hello,
 We're sorry to see you have recently removed some files from your portfolio.
If you change your mind please remember that you can just send us a ticket and we'll put all your files back online. However, this must be done within the next 30 days.
Also, we would like to remind you that you can choose to opt in or opt out your images from DPC in your photographers' parameters.
We hope to see you back soon and will be doing all to grow your income.

Kind Regards,

The Fotolia Team

stealthmode

« Reply #1144 on: May 16, 2014, 13:41 »
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To everyone posting lists, names, and now even e-mail addresses - btw a public link to Dropbox is no different than posting directly on a public forum:

Are you joking?



Informing is fine.
Cold-calling or emailing is borderline.
Personal attacks are way over the top.

Note that I had to open an anonymous account here since I'm afraid of speaking freely lately.
All you will gain is more and more people staying away from important discussions.

PS: And everyone is entitled to do what they want with their photos.

« Reply #1145 on: May 16, 2014, 13:47 »
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I didn't realize that link to the excel sheet contained the email addresses to people.   Publishing peoples email address online without their consent is not OK for any reason.  I've blocked that link now.

ShadySue

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« Reply #1146 on: May 16, 2014, 14:01 »
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Remember Groundhog Day and the Istock boycott?  This DPC action is a LOT bigger, but even Istock has learned from it (at least I have not seen any new Google-drive jokes again).
We haven't seen anything like the Google-drive disaster, but they have forced all our files into subs, even though the fact that some exclusives had chosen not to participate in TS/PP, and it's a reasonable assumption that many of these would not choose to be in the new subs scheme either.

Then there's the Getty embed free to avoid piracy deal.
« Last Edit: May 16, 2014, 17:16 by ShadySue »

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« Reply #1147 on: May 16, 2014, 14:36 »
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I agree, it should not be a witch hunt, but this is a very serious issue, Mr Oleg Tsheltzoff has made a cold and calculating decision to dump over 20 million images at $1 each, he fully understands exactly the consequences of his actions.

He developed the DPC site over a period of time: site design, servers, technicians, coders, marketing strategy, advertising, all take a lot of time, energy and money, which we are paying for.

He has done this in a totally underhand way, by not informing any of Fotolia's contributers about this new site. If the Dollar Photo Club site is such a good idea why didn't he 'shout it from the roof tops' to inform us, the contributers about the launch of this great new way of selling OUR content.

An opt out was only given 4 months after the DPC site was started and I suspect that this was only because it had been drawn to his attention by the companies lawyers, that it is illegal in the EEC and probably in the US to take our images and put them on another site without giving us this basic option. I do not believe it was pressure from the contributers.

He will be looking at stock statistics and movements in the micro stock market every day, he will know exactly how much market share he is taking off the other stock sites.

He will be reading this.

His strategy is obvious to bust the market with the outcome being he and his shareholders make a load of money at the expense of the people who have supplied Fotolia's content.

He has manipulated people and the media to take on his message about DPC, he cannot be trusted.

It is plain and simple an abuse of market position with our content.

He do's not have the best interests of the contributers at heart as an Agent should, its a real shame that he didn't put the same amount of effort into Fotolia.

I call for Mr Oleg Tsheltzoff to resign from Fotolia and have nothing more to do with selling OUR IMAGES he should go now for the good of all!

EmberMike

« Reply #1148 on: May 16, 2014, 15:01 »
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...An opt out was only given 4 months after the DPC site was started and I suspect that this was only because it had been drawn to his attention by the companies lawyers, that it is illegal in the EEC and probably in the US to take our images and put them on another site without giving us this basic option...

Is it illegal? I doubt it. Fotolia has tons of partners and API users and we have no opt-out for those. I'm sure there is something in our contracts/agreements that requires we agree to our images being used in partnerships. And I'm sure DPC could qualify as an affiliated site or an approved partner.

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« Reply #1149 on: May 16, 2014, 15:03 »
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I deleted all my files from fotolia few days ago, today received email that if I wish, they will put all my files back.

Is fotolia keeping our hi-res files, even if we delete it.?


Following is email from them.

Hello,
 We're sorry to see you have recently removed some files from your portfolio.
If you change your mind please remember that you can just send us a ticket and we'll put all your files back online. However, this must be done within the next 30 days.
Also, we would like to remind you that you can choose to opt in or opt out your images from DPC in your photographers' parameters.
We hope to see you back soon and will be doing all to grow your income.

Kind Regards,

The Fotolia Team
That is a good question because they are supposed to delete them!

Still having them is leaving anyones files that were supposedly deleted available to anyone at anytime for anything they want!!!!!!!

Something is fishy with this statement!!!


 

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