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« Reply #1150 on: May 16, 2014, 15:03 »
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I call for Mr Oleg Tsheltzoff to resign from Fotolia and have nothing more to do with selling OUR IMAGES he should go now for the good of all!

LOLOL!  Sure, thats gonna happen.  Maybe you should ask for his first born kid too? 

How about keeping it realistic?! 


EmberMike

« Reply #1151 on: May 16, 2014, 15:14 »
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That is a good question because they are supposed to delete them!

Still having them is leaving anyones files that were supposedly deleted available to anyone at anytime for anything they want!!!!!!!

Something is fishy with this statement!!!

Fotolia keeps images available for 3 months after deletion for customers who light-boxed images and need to purchase them. Images are permanently deleted after 3 months. We all agreed to this when we signed up.

H2O

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« Reply #1152 on: May 16, 2014, 15:24 »
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I call for Mr Oleg Tsheltzoff to resign from Fotolia and have nothing more to do with selling OUR IMAGES he should go now for the good of all!

LOLOL!  Sure, thats gonna happen.  Maybe you should ask for his first born kid too? 

How about keeping it realistic?!

I am being realistic, in fact I am deadly serious Mr Tsheltzoff will not be the only one reading this sites comments, his shareholders will be too.

His shareholders will have approved serious money to make DPC work, they will not like the problems that Mr Tsheltzoff has created, if DPC fails or looks like it will fail they will force him to go.

I believe that if enough people take a proper stand about this there will be an effect on his position within the company.

Ron

« Reply #1153 on: May 16, 2014, 15:30 »
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Fotolia is a private company, he is CEO and he is going nowhere.

« Reply #1154 on: May 16, 2014, 15:37 »
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Fotolia is a private company, he is CEO and he is going nowhere.

Bingo! 

H2O

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« Reply #1155 on: May 16, 2014, 15:39 »
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Fotolia is a private company, he is CEO and he is going nowhere.

You are right about him going nowhere.

Fotolia has shareholders even though it is a private company and pressure applied will work

« Reply #1156 on: May 16, 2014, 15:43 »
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Fotolia is a private company, he is CEO and he is going nowhere.


If these guys see a risk with their investment, he may...
http://blog.fotolia.com/en/2013/04/17/fotolia-appoints-two-new-board-members/

"Philipp Justus, former CEO of Zanox, and Simon Levene, venture capitalist and private angel investor, have joined the board of Fotolia

NEW YORK, NY, USA April 4, 2013 Fotolia, one of the leading microstock companies, has named two new members to the companys supervisory board. Oleg Tscheltzoff, Founder and CEO of Fotolia, said: Both Philipp and Simon have extensive online marketplace insights as well as remarkable management expertise. We are delighted that they join our board to support the next stage of Fotolias internationalization. Philipp and Simon, together with Martin Veilleux, whom we appointed as CFO last year, will further strengthen our world-class team.

Over the past 13 years, Philipp Justus has held several senior leadership positions at various leading online marketplace corporations: From 2010-2013, he served as CEO of the performance advertising network Zanox.de AG. Philipp drove significant international growth and helped to transform the company into the leading affiliate marketing network in Europe. Prior to Zanox, Philipp had spent ten years with eBay Inc. He was the General Manager of eBay Europe and Senior Vice President of PayPals Global Markets.

Simon Levene is a London-based venture capitalist as well as a private angel investor. He focuses on Internet services and applications across multiple stages from seed to growth. Simon brings over 18 years of successful company building in Europe and the US, both as an operator and an investor. Operationally, he spent a decade in executive management roles at Yahoo! and Excite@Home (based in Silicon Valley). As an investor, he is currently working with several Internet marketplace businesses including Etsy, Shapeways, and Shipserv.

Fotolias new board member Philipp Justus pointed out: Having managed a variety of online marketplaces in the fields of e-commerce, payments, and online advertising, I look forward to sharing my experiences and accompanying Fotolia on its continuous growth track. Simon Levene added: Fotolia is already the leading microstock company in Europe and is ranked among the top stock photography websites globally. I am honoured to join its board with its exceptional team and support the further development of Fotolia with my long-time investment know-how.

In 2012, Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co. L.P. (KKR) made a $150 million growth equity investment in Fotolia. Since this transaction, Philipp Freise, Partner and head of KKRs European Media Investment Team, chairs Fotolias supervisory board which has a total of 6 members."

« Reply #1157 on: May 16, 2014, 15:45 »
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I call for Mr Oleg Tsheltzoff to resign from Fotolia and have nothing more to do with selling OUR IMAGES he should go now for the good of all!

LOLOL!  Sure, thats gonna happen.  Maybe you should ask for his first born kid too? 

How about keeping it realistic?!

I am being realistic, in fact I am deadly serious Mr Tsheltzoff will not be the only one reading this sites comments, his shareholders will be too.

His shareholders will have approved serious money to make DPC work, they will not like the problems that Mr Tsheltzoff has created, if DPC fails or looks like it will fail they will force him to go.

I believe that if enough people take a proper stand about this there will be an effect on his position within the company.

Why are all your posts calling out this guy Tsheltzoff by name?  Seems personal with you.  Did this guy sleep with your wife or something?

I can't be bothered reading all 47 or whatever pages of this, but when did the it change from protecting the stock industry to personally attacking people by name, posting hit lists, etc?  Somewhere along the line seems like this whole thing jumped the shark.   
« Last Edit: May 16, 2014, 15:50 by PixelBytes »

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« Reply #1158 on: May 16, 2014, 15:51 »
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I call for Mr Oleg Tsheltzoff to resign from Fotolia and have nothing more to do with selling OUR IMAGES he should go now for the good of all!

LOLOL!  Sure, thats gonna happen.  Maybe you should ask for his first born kid too? 

How about keeping it realistic?!

I am being realistic, in fact I am deadly serious Mr Tsheltzoff will not be the only one reading this sites comments, his shareholders will be too.

His shareholders will have approved serious money to make DPC work, they will not like the problems that Mr Tsheltzoff has created, if DPC fails or looks like it will fail they will force him to go.

I believe that if enough people take a proper stand about this there will be an effect on his position within the company.

Why are all your posts calling out this guy Tsheltzoff by name?  Seems personal with you.  Did this guy sleep with your wife or something?

I can't be bothered reading all 47 or whatever pages of this, but when did the it change from protecting the stock industry to personally attacking people by name, posting hit lists, etc?  Somewhere along the line seems like this whole thing jumped the shark.   

It is personal, all companies are run from the top, what the boss says gets done, the ethos of a company is created by the boss, that's where the buck stops.

« Reply #1159 on: May 16, 2014, 15:56 »
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It is personal, all companies are run from the top, what the boss says gets done, the ethos of a company is created by the boss, that's where the buck stops.

Yeah, you might want to look up *personal* in the dictionary.  You just seem like a guy with an axe to grind.

Whatever dude.  Enjoy that heart attack your working yourself up into.   :-X

« Reply #1160 on: May 16, 2014, 15:58 »
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Whatever dude.  Enjoy that heart attack your working yourself up into.   :-X

That sounds quite personal, too.
Let's just focus on the DPC and ways of resisting it.

H2O

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« Reply #1161 on: May 16, 2014, 16:05 »
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It is personal, all companies are run from the top, what the boss says gets done, the ethos of a company is created by the boss, that's where the buck stops.

Yeah, you might want to look up *personal* in the dictionary. 

Whatever dude.  Enjoy that heart attack your working yourself up into.   :-X

Heart Attack? In business I'v had people say to me its not personal its just business, well I can assure you any human interaction is personal and not as some people would want you to believe

« Reply #1162 on: May 16, 2014, 16:41 »
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Let's return to the conversation.  If the thread deteriorates it will be locked.

« Reply #1163 on: May 16, 2014, 22:31 »
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That is a good question because they are supposed to delete them!

Still having them is leaving anyones files that were supposedly deleted available to anyone at anytime for anything they want!!!!!!!

Something is fishy with this statement!!!

Fotolia keeps images available for 3 months after deletion for customers who light-boxed images and need to purchase them. Images are permanently deleted after 3 months. We all agreed to this when we signed up.

Thanks EmberMike for clarification

« Reply #1164 on: May 17, 2014, 03:12 »
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Fotolia keeps images available for 3 months after deletion for customers who light-boxed images and need to purchase them. Images are permanently deleted after 3 months. We all agreed to this when we signed up.

Does it mean, that costumers can buy images after images (or profile) have been delated?

« Reply #1165 on: May 17, 2014, 04:07 »
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Images are not visible in our profile after deletion. How can customer can purchase a file, when it has been deleted and not visible.

Dont know, what happened to deleted images which are added in lightboxes

Justanotherphotographer

« Reply #1166 on: May 17, 2014, 07:23 »
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Dollar Photo Club promises that photos will always be $1, and it is in the name. What happens in a few years when the real value of the dollar is half what it is now, with inflation? Or when they have captured the maximum number of customers they can and they want to increase their profit? They can't raise prices to a more reasonable level, only pay us even less of an ever smaller amount in real terms.

As someone has said here before it feels like we are getting less and less every year but actually my sales statistics show that I on average get more for a download now than six years ago. Dollar Photo Club will put an end to this. It is built into the model.

« Reply #1167 on: May 17, 2014, 08:16 »
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I know this would be VERY HARD for many of us, but I am seriously considering closing my entire relationship with FT, closing down my Fotolia account in addition to DPC. We have them on the run now and it would be prudent to crush the crumbs that are left. That is probably too much to ask but it sure would send a message to the industry as a whole.  I get it, we'd need millions of art killed at FT for them to be worried but the PR in and of itself could be good for us as contributors.  For ME PERSONALLY I have NEVER grown at FT.  I have always made between $50- $80 a month with nearly 3000 images. So that, combined with DPC and all their other cheating, sneaky past maneuvers, has just about done it for me.

« Reply #1168 on: May 17, 2014, 10:01 »
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Posted by: Mantis
on: Today at 08:16 Insert Quote
I know this would be VERY HARD for many of us, but I am seriously considering closing my entire relationship with FT, closing down my Fotolia account in addition to DPC. We have them on the run now and it would be prudent to crush the crumbs that are left. That is probably too much to ask but it sure would send a message to the industry as a whole.  I get it, we'd need millions of art killed at FT for them to be worried but the PR in and of itself could be good for us as contributors.  For ME PERSONALLY I have NEVER grown at FT.  I have always made between $50- $80 a month with nearly 3000 images. So that, combined with DPC and all their other cheating, sneaky past maneuvers, has just about done it for me.

I absolutely agree with you. And I had almost the same money per month ($50-$70) with 700 images plus videos. I deleted all my images and videos on may 1 and just left one. But now I think I'm ready to close my account completely. 

EmberMike

« Reply #1169 on: May 17, 2014, 11:11 »
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I know this would be VERY HARD for many of us, but I am seriously considering closing my entire relationship with FT, closing down my Fotolia account in addition to DPC. We have them on the run now and it would be prudent to crush the crumbs that are left...

I'm all for people deleting portfolios. I've only done half of mine, and am still on the fence about the other half. But I applaud anyone who takes this kind of step.

That said, I think we need to be realistic about this. Fotolia is not "on the run". DPC isn't threatened either. DPC gained over 30,000 images in the past day. We're not stopping anything here, FT and DPC are here to stay.

I don't think anyone should delete their portfolio because they think they are taking part in a collective action that will stop any of this. Let's face facts, there is no way to stop this now. But if you're inclined to delete your portfolio at any agency, it should be because you personally object to what they're doing.

Individually or collectively it doesn't matter, we'll never be able to stop companies from trying to exploit us at every turn for every last cent they can squeeze out of us. I'm sure other DPCs will pop up in the future. Once one of these things pop up you can be sure others will try to copy it. Dollar Photo Gang, Dollar Stock Photo, Dollar Store Stock, whatever. And there will always be people willing to work with them for the chance to make just a penny or two. As we've seen in this case, there are good photographers and artists who will literally take anything these companies throw at them. They'll opt in and just say, "Well, it's another way to earn," or, "If I opt-out I'm losing money," or some other such excuse to make them feel ok about it. 

But let's not pretend that we'll ever shut any of these companies down. That's not going to happen. This is the Walmart-ization of the stock image business, where companies can treat people terribly and pay them the bare minimum. And just like Walmart, as bad as this stuff is it isn't going to go away.

« Reply #1170 on: May 17, 2014, 11:21 »
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I do not agree, I think that if we continue to spread the word to our friends we will continue to make progress.  Almost everyone I have contacted personally has opted out and many have deleted their ports.

Keep spreading the word, it is as simple as this.  If we think we cant make a difference we make it a certainty that we won't make a difference.

Thanks to those who are and were willing to bring about change in this industry, you have proved that we are not powerless.

I don't for a minute believe that we are doomed.  It is time for us to step up to the plate and take care of our assets.

steheap

  • Author of best selling "Get Started in Stock"

« Reply #1171 on: May 17, 2014, 11:21 »
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This question of earnings per online file on Fotolia got me thinking. My earnings have been flat with them, even though I continued to upload. I decided to plot the results over the past three years:


Worse than I thought. Earnings per online images have dropped by more than 50% over the past 3 years. Why on earth did I keep uploading images and suffering their mindless upload process with its complex categories and their high rejection rates.... I've again recommended that the readers of my blog ignore this latest attempt to bribe us with minute increases in payments.

Steve

Update: This is on 3000 images so is statistically valid. My earnings last month - $63!!
« Last Edit: May 17, 2014, 11:24 by steheap »

Shelma1

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« Reply #1172 on: May 17, 2014, 11:27 »
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I do not agree, I think that if we continue to spread the word to our friends we will continue to make progress.  Almost everyone I have contacted personally has opted out and many have deleted their ports.

Keep spreading the word, it is as simple as this.  If we think we cant make a difference we make it a certainty that we won't make a difference.

Thanks to those who are and were willing to bring about change in this industry, you have proved that we are not powerless.

I don't for a minute believe that we are doomed.  It is time for us to step up to the plate and take care of our assets.

I do think it's a matter of communication. If everyone was aware their files appeared in DPC, there would be many more people opting out. That's why Fotolia kept it quiet.

Dook

« Reply #1173 on: May 17, 2014, 11:34 »
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EmberMike

« Reply #1174 on: May 17, 2014, 11:36 »
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I do not agree, I think that if we continue to spread the word to our friends we will continue to make progress.  Almost everyone I have contacted personally has opted out and many have deleted their ports...

What progress? DPC added 30k images since yesterday. It doesn't matter how many people opt out, more people stay opted in or opt back in for the added FT subscription royalty incentive. And eventually, opt-outs can't keep up with new uploads at FT that get ported over to DPC.

...Thanks to those who are and were willing to bring about change in this industry, you have proved that we are not powerless.

I don't for a minute believe that we are doomed.  It is time for us to step up to the plate and take care of our assets.

I don't believe we're doomed either. Actually I think there is a lot of opportunity in this business still. It's just not with these jokers like the folks running DPC. I don't even think it's with most of the major companies out there today. I've been saying for years that true change will come from a smaller company. Stocksy is one of those types of companies. Stockfresh could have been, but they squandered the opportunity years ago to offer a real alternative to iStock for both disgruntled buyers as well as contributors.

I'm just not interested in wasting time trying to get the jokers shut down. That will never happen. We may not be powerless, but we're certainly not powerful enough to stop an entire company.


 

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