I'll just point out that several concessions have already been given by FL since the campaign started, the rise in sub commissions, introduction of ELs, even the opt out itself wasn't on the table until people started pulling portfolios...

The EL offering wasn't a concession. That was in the works for DPC before this even became a hot topic here.

You're right, some concessions have been made. What kind of additional concessions would you like to see? Are there any that would make you consider opting back in?

And I'm asking about realistic concessions, not things like raising the minimum buy-in. FT has already indicated that raising the $10 minimum won't happen.

Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on June 10, 2014, 03:41

I'll just point out that several concessions have already been given by FL since the campaign started, the rise in sub commissions, introduction of ELs, even the opt out itself wasn't on the table until people started pulling portfolios...

The EL offering wasn't a concession. That was in the works for DPC before this even became a hot topic here.

You're right, some concessions have been made. What kind of additional concessions would you like to see? Are there any that would make you consider opting back in?

And I'm asking about realistic concessions, not things like raising the minimum buy-in. FT has already indicated that raising the $10 minimum won't happen.

Seems like you are representing DPC. Therefore additional concessions to opt back in would be don't bother, just shut the door on such a poorly thought out diabolical idea for a business model. DFC is somewhat hamstrung by its own catchphrase of '$1 an image always', so if they raise prices or introduce new payment structures there goes their fancy name and selling point.

Quote from: pkphotos on June 10, 2014, 08:57

Seems like you are representing DPC...

Yep, that's me. A secret DPC agent. I'm just trying to fool everyone by opting out of DPC, deleting half of my Fotolia portfolio, blogging about the harm DPC can cause, tweeting about it, posting on facebook about it, and convincing a few people to opt out over 10,000 images.

But you figured me out.

It's seems contradictory that on one hand you claim to have opted out of DPC and deleted half your Fotolia portfolio, while every single post on this thread seems to be to dismiss the efforts of the collective photographers efforts against DPC. It doesn't make any sense at all.

It's seems contradictory that on one hand you claim to have opted out of DPC and deleted half your Fotolia portfolio, while every single post on this thread seems to be to dismiss the efforts of the collective photographers efforts against DPC. It doesn't make any sense at all.

Why? I can be opted out as a personal protest even if I don't agree that the opt-out effort will do anything.

What makes no sense is that if I'm not in the crowd with a pitchfork in my hand then I'm clearly with DPC. It makes no sense that when I suggest that we need to think of some other ways to push back DPC, that turns into the implication that I support DPC. How exactly does that make any sense?

It's true he (EmberMike) has, he's a well known member of the community and did loads to aid the boycott initially. If we all did as much DPC would be dead now.

+1

I took part of such a plan once, after IS D-Day we all submitted to Graphic Leftovers, it brought me nothing. I ended up deleting my account. I am not sure who's idea it was that GL was a good agency, I mean they are, but nice people and fair royalties dont buy me a studio lighting set if there are no buyers.

Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on June 10, 2014, 09:24

It's true he (EmberMike) has, he's a well known member of the community and did loads to aid the boycott initially. If we all did as much DPC would be dead now.

+1

EmberMike is right. Support a good company does more then complaining over the bad on forums. Drop the bad and tell them why when you go. Add the good an grow with them.

I think one of the first was against StockXpert and they did make some changes as a result, but I can't remember what it was about.

I'll post the e-mail StockXpert sent out after the Town Hall (phone conference call) "meeting" from August 2008 below - it was about the content from StockXpert being moved to JupiterImages Unlimited and photos.com with no opt outs for those who didn't want to participate. We got opt outs (although not ideal in that it was a one time only choice I think). After StockXpert was acquired by Jupiter they were treating StockXpert content more as if it were wholly owned and theirs to do with as they saw fit and contributors wanted to control where the content went.

I think the first protest was when Dreamstime wanted to hold content for 12 months and a number of us withheld uploads for a while and then the hold was reduced to 6 months. I think this was a response to iStock exclusivity, and so was earlier than the Fotolia subscriptions protest (we got two increases in the amount per download plus subs counting as 1/4 DL for ranking purposes).

Other protests you didn't mention were when iStock introduced the first partner program (subs on photos.com and JIU). First it was opt out versus opt in and the amount per download got increased after not so many people opted in (because it was a crappy deal). See here and here and PDN's brief note on this if you want to read the history. They didn't like the red opt out avatars

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"Thank you for voicing your concerns on the forum and for participating in our first ever Town Hall conference call last Thursday. We want you to know that we heard (and read) your concerns.

As stated on the call, we want to apologize for how this policy change and its communication were handled. We have taken your concerns seriously and decided to step back and review our initial plan. There will be no changes in your ability to control where your content is distributed. All three opt-out options will remain fully functional.

If you are not familiar with these options, as a contributor to Stockxpert you can earn more by:

Choosing to include your content in subscriptions on Stockxpert and other Jupiterimages sites;
Choosing to include your content with unrelated third parties Jupiterimages does business with, and/or;
Choosing to sell extended rights for your content enabling it to be used in products and services which are sold.
Please review your opt-in selections in your account profile to confirm your selected licensing options.

Based on three factors in the market, we believed the time was right to make all content on Stockxpert automatically available via these three opportunities. First, these options used to be opt-in, not opt-out. We discovered earlier in the year that most contributors wanted to be included in these programs but did not realize they had to opt-in. In response, for contributor convenience and customer benefit we made these options opt-out. Very few contributors opt-out which tells us that these revenue opportunities are viewed positively by virtually the entire Stockxpert community.

Second, the amount of revenue earned through extended licenses was negligible. If you earn a lot of money from extended licenses, you are among an elite few. We thought we could differentiate our community by offering customers a more simplified licensing option while increasing the value of using Stockxpert without taking anything away from contributors.

And finally, the customers on Stockxpert who license your content were expressing confusion over content that was available in the Stockxpert subscription versus content that was only available for single image sales. To adopt a highly customer centric approach, we wanted to have content consistency across any product or service which includes Stockxpert content.

These issues and challenges are real, and as a community, we need to figure out how we're going to address them so that we remain competitive and deliver the best experience for the customer. But as contributors you are customers too and we let you down in how we chose to discuss these issues and in how we decided to bring changes to the community.

While we take a step back to re-assess these issues and how we can have a constructive dialog with the community about them, Jupiterimages will be actively experimenting with the unique opportunities we have to expand your exposure throughout our Jupiterimages properties and worldwide distribution channels. Across all of our businesses we license more than $100 million worth of content annually. We want to leverage this traffic for the benefit of Stockxpert contributors and all our customers. Some of these experiments will be successful others won't be. But we're not standing still.

To that end, shortly we will be launching two new opportunities for contributors to earn additional revenue. These opportunities are linked to your subscriptions opt-in selection and they are completely optional and you may easily opt-out (if you're not familiar on how to do this, directions will follow).

The first opportunity is the coming launch of our Photos.com Plus subscription plan. This opportunity is automatically available to you if you are opted-in to subscriptions. The Photos.com Plus plan is based on Photos.com, one of the oldest and most used photo subscriptions on the Internet. The content in Photos.com is what we call wholly-owned. That means we own it and don't pay any royalties on it. We will be adding a new subscription level for Photos.com customers (Photos.com Plus), and in this we are proactively including Stockxpert contributors in a multi-million dollar revenue stream. Why? Our customers want the fresh, stylized images that you're producing and selling on Stockxpert.

Your images will not only be exposed to thousands more customers and downloads on one of the leading stock photo sites in the industry, but you will also have the opportunity to sell your images at higher price points with the pay-per-download option that is available. On the regular Photos.com subscription, the two highest resolutions are not included. As part of this experiment, we've adopted the same approach for Photos.com Plus and we're excited to see if we can sell microstock images at traditional royalty-free prices, yielding more revenue for everyone.

Another subscription plan where you will earn additional revenue is coming in the near future, the Jupiterimages Unlimited Plus subscription, or JIU+. We have heard you in the forums and we want to let you know about these options ahead of time so that you can make your choice. Again, the Photos.com Plus opportunity and this Jupiterimages Unlimited Plus opportunity are automatically available to you only if you are opted-in to subscriptions. Jupiterimages Unlimited is one of the fastest growing subscription businesses at Jupiterimages and we're excited to add the fresh, stylized images of Stockxpert to the collection for all the same reasons we're doing so for Photos.com Plus.

Experimenting with these new offerings is fairly complex as we're trying to balance the needs and expectations of our customers and those of our Stockxpert contributors. The best source of new subscription sales for both new offerings are from our installed base of existing subscribers so we need to try to match what they're used to without giving away too much value. We're doing our best but it's a bit tricky. The End User License Agreements (EULAs) for Photos.com and Jupiterimages Unlimited, for instance, are different from the EULA for the Stockxpert subscription. So we're making compromises in both as we prepare to bring Photos.com Plus and JIU+ to market. To make this clear, we have created a special web page to help clarify these areas for you. Please visit http://www.stockxpert.com/lpages/contributor to read more.

While we think Photos.com Plus and JIU+ are great opportunities for you to earn more revenue from your images, we also understand and respect that you may not want to be part of these new subscription opportunities. If that is the case, please be sure to visit your account profile and deselect the checkbox under "Number 7 Subscription to Stockxpert.com" by August 15 to be removed. If you are already opted-out of subscriptions, then you don't need to do anything. Understandably, we cannot create opt-outs for each new subscription offering, so if you opt-out of subscriptions, your Stockxpert content will not be available in any subscription on Stockxpert, Photos.com Plus, Jupiterimages Unlimited Plus or any future Jupiterimages subscription offering. For those of you who are interested in being a part of this exciting new subscription, please double check to make sure you are opted in.

Thank you for staying involved. We've definitely learned an important and valuable lesson in how we need to engage with you in the future. While we will continue testing and being an innovative leader in this field, we know we need to be sure to include the community in all future initiatives.

Again, for a better understanding of the Photos.com Plus and JIU+ opportunities, please visit http://www.stockxpert.com/lpages/contributor and remember to opt-in (or out) by August 15.

Please feel free to contact us if you still have questions and thank you for your continued support.

Sincerely,
The Stockxpert Team"

The EL offering wasn't a concession. That was in the works for DPC before this even became a hot topic here.

Sorry, Mike, I honestly don't want you to think I'm attacking you, I'm not,  but what evidence do you have to support this alleged "statement of fact"?  How could you possibly know that what you are saying is true?

Mike only focus on the negative points, and avoiding to accept any facts that Opting out of DCP really take huge effect...and it's just so OBVIOUS by using little effort in a SHORT time.

However, Mike thinks that supporting some agencies will take effect.

Well, if that strategy is true, GL or Stockfresh will dominate all market share by now.
This is more obvious that this strategy did not work AT ALL.

(and yes, you are using the phrase "not at all" against obvious facts).

The thing is, it's not enough if we (the contributors) support fair agencies by uploading to them. We need to either get the buyers to support them, too, or withdraw our images from any "not fair" agencies so that the buyers have no choice but to turn to the fair agencies. This is a much, much bigger challenge than opting out of DPC/leaving Fotolia and letting other contributors know what's going on.

That's right. And if "not fair" means "pays less than 50%", which I understand to be the criterion, out of all the agencies I supply I think I would be left with Alamy (and opted out of PP there) and - perhaps - Scanstock photo. That would mean surrendering 90%-95% of my income.  Nobody who is serious about trying to make money from their images can afford to do that.

I can't understand why anyone would not upload to GL, it really is the simplest upload process.

I just had a look over there. They say payouts are by Paypal or Skrill, so that's me frozen out of that market.  It's the same for a lot of the newer/minor sites. Including Stockfresh, as it happens. That's probably why I've never supplied them.