Author Topic: Fotolia - Keyword Ordering on Upload (Read 15063 times)

wds · « **on:** March 03, 2016, 10:15 »

Just received an email from Fotolia talking about the importance of keyword ordering. Frankly, I use LR which forces alphabetic ordering of keywords and can't see spending the time after upload to rearrange keywords on individual files. Do people actually do this? Any evidence on keyword order impact?

Justanotherphotographer · « **Reply #1 on:** March 03, 2016, 10:15 »

Is the 30 kws limit new too?

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #2 on:** March 03, 2016, 10:34 »

https://blog.fotolia.com/us/2016/03/02/keywords-guide-to-the-galaxy/

Lana · « **Reply #3 on:** March 03, 2016, 10:56 »

That 30 keywords limit thing - when I index my file the system only alerts me when the number of keywords is higher than 50, does it still mean that only 30 keywords are used by the search engine?

Chichikov · « **Reply #4 on:** March 03, 2016, 11:02 »

For years I have spent time to reorder my keywords in Fotolia, at least to put the five or six more relevant in first position.

Then I decided to stop with this waste of time.
And you know what? My images are still selling and my sales continue to grow… (maybe it is just the "Adobe effect"?)

So, personally I am not convinced that it is a so useful feature.

chrisbradshaw · « **Reply #5 on:** March 04, 2016, 10:20 »

After reading Matt Hayward's post from June 11, 2015 where he reminded contributors that the first 7 keywords get priority placement, I went back and re-ordered all my keywords on Fotolia. I had never had very good sales there, but with the addition of Adobe Stock, I though it would be worth the effort. I noticed an immediate increase in sales and it hasn't stopped yet. Very much worth the extra work in my opinion.

wds · « **Reply #6 on:** March 04, 2016, 10:29 »

Quote from: chrisbradshaw on March 04, 2016, 10:20

After reading Matt Hayward's post from June 11, 2015 where he reminded contributors that the first 7 keywords get priority placement, I went back and re-ordered all my keywords on Fotolia. I had never had very good sales there, but with the addition of Adobe Stock, I though it would be worth the effort. I noticed an immediate increase in sales and it hasn't stopped yet. Very much worth the extra work in my opinion.

Interesting. How long had your files been on Fotolia before you rearranged keywords?
I am concerned that if they have been up there too long, they may already be too far down in the search results for keyword reordering to make a difference.

sharpshot · « **Reply #7 on:** March 04, 2016, 11:54 »

Quote from: chrisbradshaw on March 04, 2016, 10:20

After reading Matt Hayward's post from June 11, 2015 where he reminded contributors that the first 7 keywords get priority placement, I went back and re-ordered all my keywords on Fotolia. I had never had very good sales there, but with the addition of Adobe Stock, I though it would be worth the effort. I noticed an immediate increase in sales and it hasn't stopped yet. Very much worth the extra work in my opinion.

I find that hard to believe because I have always put my main keywords in order on FT and my sales are still dismal. Probably just a coincidence that your sales picked up, they are often stronger in March than January/February.

click_click · « **Reply #8 on:** March 04, 2016, 12:15 »

I believe this discussion is not resulting in conclusive results as everyone's portfolio (and size) is different.

Therefore the base line is already skewed.

Now, mixing this with the fact that some people order the keywords while others don't + plus the quality, niche and quantity that needs to be taken into consideration leads to an infinity of findings.

Just my 2 cents.

Cesar · « **Reply #9 on:** March 04, 2016, 12:28 »

this is stupid system. i have also alphabetic order. i dont have time to sort, time wasting.

fotolia please fix the system

5 word are relevant, 45 doesnt ,all 50 keywords are important! improve your algoritms now!

Quote from: wds on March 03, 2016, 10:15

Just received an email from Fotolia talking about the importance of keyword ordering. Frankly, I use LR which forces alphabetic ordering of keywords and can't see spending the time after upload to rearrange keywords on individual files. Do people actually do this? Any evidence on keyword order impact?

Hongover · « **Reply #10 on:** March 05, 2016, 02:37 »

It's important. That's all I'm going to say.

StockPhotosArt.com · « **Reply #11 on:** March 05, 2016, 02:56 »

In a time when good and relevant keywords are as much important (if not more) than a good picture, I cannot understand the opposition to a system like Fotolia or Alamy have.

I think that the simple system that only requires ordering a measly 5 or 6 keywords on the beginning of the keyword list is a good help for photographers to put their images in front of the buyers, and for them to find the most relevant images. And it's a great way to fight keyword spam. It's certainly much better and effective than the nightmare system iStock has. How hard can it be to order the most relevant 5 keywords in front of the rest?!!!!!

If you take stock photography seriously and have a professional view of it, I cannot understand the opposition to EXTREMELY SIMPLE tools that help both photographers and customers.

jzehnder · « **Reply #12 on:** March 05, 2016, 05:47 »

I know Shutterstock and Dreamstime show you the keywords people are using to find your images, but do any of the other sites?

emjaysmith · « **Reply #13 on:** March 05, 2016, 06:27 »

Just to muddy the waters a little, I quite often get sales at Shutterstock with some of the less relevant keywords and some totally bizarre search keywords accredited at Dreamstime, which are not only not relevant but were not even included in my original keywords.

sgoodwin4813 · « **Reply #14 on:** March 05, 2016, 10:17 »

I always put the few most important keywords at the front just to make it easier for uploading to FT and Alamy. No idea how important it is for sales but it is only a small nuisance so I do it just in case.

wds · « **Reply #15 on:** March 05, 2016, 10:22 »

Quote from: StockPhotosArt on March 05, 2016, 02:56

In a time when good and relevant keywords are as much important (if not more) than a good picture, I cannot understand the opposition to a system like Fotolia or Alamy have.

I think that the simple system that only requires ordering a measly 5 or 6 keywords on the beginning of the keyword list is a good help for photographers to put their images in front of the buyers, and for them to find the most relevant images. And it's a great way to fight keyword spam. It's certainly much better and effective than the nightmare system iStock has. How hard can it be to order the most relevant 5 keywords in front of the rest?!!!!!

If you take stock photography seriously and have a professional view of it, I cannot understand the opposition to EXTREMELY SIMPLE tools that help both photographers and customers.

It's not so simple when you have thousands of files to update keyword order on one at a time.

StockPhotosArt.com · « **Reply #16 on:** March 05, 2016, 12:21 »

Quote from: wds on March 05, 2016, 10:22

Quote from: StockPhotosArt on March 05, 2016, 02:56
In a time when good and relevant keywords are as much important (if not more) than a good picture, I cannot understand the opposition to a system like Fotolia or Alamy have.

I think that the simple system that only requires ordering a measly 5 or 6 keywords on the beginning of the keyword list is a good help for photographers to put their images in front of the buyers, and for them to find the most relevant images. And it's a great way to fight keyword spam. It's certainly much better and effective than the nightmare system iStock has. How hard can it be to order the most relevant 5 keywords in front of the rest?!!!!!

If you take stock photography seriously and have a professional view of it, I cannot understand the opposition to EXTREMELY SIMPLE tools that help both photographers and customers.

It's not so simple when you have thousands of files to update keyword order on one at a time.

Been there, done that. Also with alamy on a much more complex system. Total closing on 8.000 files at the time.

And all new uploads already go with the ordered keywords in the IPTC, which represent zero extra-work, since if I have to add those keywords how hard can it be to write them in front of the others.

Click Images · « **Reply #17 on:** March 05, 2016, 13:57 »

Given that Lightroom lists keywords alphabetically, which software do people use to keyword in order of priority?

Thanks in advance.

wds · « **Reply #18 on:** March 05, 2016, 14:01 »

Quote from: StockPhotosArt on March 05, 2016, 12:21

Quote from: wds on March 05, 2016, 10:22
Quote from: StockPhotosArt on March 05, 2016, 02:56
In a time when good and relevant keywords are as much important (if not more) than a good picture, I cannot understand the opposition to a system like Fotolia or Alamy have.

I think that the simple system that only requires ordering a measly 5 or 6 keywords on the beginning of the keyword list is a good help for photographers to put their images in front of the buyers, and for them to find the most relevant images. And it's a great way to fight keyword spam. It's certainly much better and effective than the nightmare system iStock has. How hard can it be to order the most relevant 5 keywords in front of the rest?!!!!!

If you take stock photography seriously and have a professional view of it, I cannot understand the opposition to EXTREMELY SIMPLE tools that help both photographers and customers.

It's not so simple when you have thousands of files to update keyword order on one at a time.

Been there, done that. Also with alamy on a much more complex system. Total closing on 8.000 files at the time.

And all new uploads already go with the ordered keywords in the IPTC, which represent zero extra-work, since if I have to add those keywords how hard can it be to write them in front of the others.

Did you find that reordering your keywords noticeably improved your sales?
Was there an issue with older files already falling far down in the search so were not helped by keyword reordering as much as new files?

sharpshot · « **Reply #19 on:** March 05, 2016, 14:45 »

Quote from: Click Images on March 05, 2016, 13:57

Given that Lightroom lists keywords alphabetically, which software do people use to keyword in order of priority?

Thanks in advance.

I use IrfanView.

YadaYadaYada · « **Reply #20 on:** March 05, 2016, 16:44 »

Quote from: sgoodwin4813 on March 05, 2016, 10:17

I always put the few most important keywords at the front just to make it easier for uploading to FT and Alamy. No idea how important it is for sales but it is only a small nuisance so I do it just in case.

Always have even if sites say it doesn't matter. Makes sense to have the most important words first. I don't know why any image needs more then 30 keywords if I use the most relevant and important words for whats really in the photo. Buyers will find my work. Adding extra words doesn't help and some sites it will hurt. But old guessing rumors how to make more sales with spam words are hard to kill.

What would somebody say if the big changes in the search on sites that made your pictures go down in rank and sell less was as simple as too many irrelevant keywords and you are paying the price. How about that for a thought?

chuckcars · « **Reply #21 on:** March 05, 2016, 18:07 »

Its easy to batch reorder keywords on the Fotolia site.

wds · « **Reply #22 on:** March 05, 2016, 21:50 »

Quote from: chuckcars on March 05, 2016, 18:07

Its easy to batch reorder keywords on the Fotolia site.

How is that done for files already uploaded?

Dodie · « **Reply #23 on:** March 06, 2016, 02:29 »

Quote from: wds on March 05, 2016, 10:22

It's not so simple when you have thousands of files to update keyword order on one at a time.

Keyword ordering is not a new invention on FT. I joined in 2012 and it was always a FT requirement, those who listened don't have to update thousands of images at once.
There are many old threads on MSG about this, here is one from 2013: http://www.microstockgroup.com/fotolia-com/keywording-announcement-fotolia/.
If you have had good sales in the past, just leave it so, there is no way to batch update.

Danil Nevsky · « **Reply #24 on:** March 14, 2016, 01:06 »

There is no doubt that keywords are of great importance. I am convinced that the quality of content is of secondary importance. Besides, this should be done by professionals because the number of sales depends on the quality of selection. That's why I'm developing a new project that will make authors freer, increase sales and make a portfolio more interesting and unique. The service is called Kboarding. We are looking for you! Everybody is welcome!

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