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« Reply #100 on: February 24, 2014, 18:54 »
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I would bet they didn't consider that case (deleting files or closing accounts) when making that promise.


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« Reply #101 on: February 24, 2014, 19:10 »
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It means that just like regular buyers, even if they stop buying at Fotolia, they still have any files they already bought and downloaded.
Some subs sites have clauses that say buyers can't use files in new projects after they stop their subscription payments, but I have no idea how they'd police that.

Yes ok, I got it! That wasn't my point.
My point is, they promise that buyers can redownload bought images forever, anytime. Or am I wrong and they aren't offering this? If they do, how can they keep their offer if the photographer quits and FTL is loosing the right to store the files on their servers?
I can't see where they are offering that buyers can redownload them forever.
Where are you seeing that?

« Reply #102 on: February 24, 2014, 23:07 »
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It was in the enticement letter they sent me:

Discover downloads that NEVER expire - cancel your membership and purchased downloads will STILL be there when you need them, always...

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« Reply #103 on: February 25, 2014, 00:06 »
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That's a matter of interpdetation. I read that as I said before. I guess at a push you could interpret it your way, in which case you are right to aak for clarification.

« Reply #104 on: February 26, 2014, 15:31 »
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Hi all,
 
I looked into Dollar Photo Club.  It is an affiliate site that is using the Fotolia api program.  The database on Fotolia is mirrored on this site as it is on many other partner sites.  The difference is that Dollar Photo Club isnt available to everyone.  It is an exclusive club (not exclusive content) that is going to be made available to heavy buyers. 
 
The sales from Dollar Photo Club take place through Fotolia (as do all api sales) so your commission remains the same.  It is essentially a giant subscription.  You will receive the same subscription commission you would if the image were purchased directly from a Fotolia member with a subscription. 
 
This is another way to drive traffic to your portfolios and should result in an increase in overall sales for each of us.

All the best,

Mat Hayward

I saw API here and I immediately think of Deposit photos/shotstop.

Are these 'heavy users' going to be allowed to resell the images, while the contributor gets only subscription rate?

edited - I went and looked  - Fotolia has a ton of partner programs.
« Last Edit: February 26, 2014, 15:34 by ksgal »

« Reply #105 on: April 08, 2014, 23:41 »
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I deleted all my Fotolia video files a couple of months ago because of the pathetic pricing. No regrets whatsoever. I will now also delete my photos and be done with Fotolia. I only have a small account so this won't impact Fotolia or myself, but if enough contributors take a stand then we actually have the power over the agencies. That's the only way to control pricing, by uniting together and leaving en masse agencies which consistently try to bring the market down further to gain market share. However I appreciate that for Fotolia contributors with substantial accounts this is no so straight forward.

« Reply #106 on: April 09, 2014, 00:03 »
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Quote from: gostwyck
I've only just noticed the DPC banners and then this thread.

It's actually much worse than it first appears. On the splash page it says this;

$1 an image. Always.
26 million high-res images and vectors
Business-ready royalty free license
Unlimited print runs
Unlimited image use
Social media ready

"Unlimited image use" basically means every image downloaded is effectively a free EL for any use whatsoever doesn't it? So we're getting a few cents for EL's courtesy of the DPC?

I asked that earlier, FT's answer:

Hi,



Dollar Photo Club only provides Standard Licences, not Extended Licences. Fotolia's Standard Licence also allows Unlimited print runs and Unlimited image use.



Kind Regards,


Fotolia UK

CD123

« Reply #107 on: April 09, 2014, 00:22 »
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So the words "unlimited image use" is then purposely a misleading statement, which is not only untrue to mislead unsuspected buyers, but will also prompt most buyers to use the images purchased outside of the "actual" usage rights.  Wow, setting new ethical standards in the industry (at our expense).

stocked

« Reply #108 on: April 09, 2014, 03:26 »
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I think you pay 10 Dollar each month but you are only getting the initial 10 downloads one time, and then you have to pay for every download a Dollar. The photographer get only his subscription commission if the buyer actually downloads a photo. Fotolia get its ten Dollar every month and in addition their commission if they buyer pays and download a photo.

Buyer downloads two photos in a month he pays 10 Dollar plus 2 Dollar for the actual downloads this results in 12 Dollar payment.
Photographer get his commissions for the two downloads let's say 30%, 30% from two Dollar are 0.6 Dollar.
So Fotolia gets 12 Dollar but has only to pay 0.6 Dollar in commission, this results in only 5% artist commission.



Ron

« Reply #109 on: April 09, 2014, 03:47 »
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An important part of the discussion was locked down here http://www.microstockgroup.com/general-stock-discussion/dollar-photo-club/25/

That should be moved over here. Especially this comment.

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Hi guys,

To set the record straight, DPC does not offer Extended licenses and does not allow for Extended license use with the images.  The term "unlimited" referenced above is regarding the print run which is unlimited.

The license agreement can be read here and is pretty straight forward:  http://www.dollarphotoclub.com/Info/RoyaltyFreeLicense

To clarify, DPC members cannot use the images on objects that will be resold where the primary value is found with the image.  No coffee cups, greeting cards, tee shirts, etc.  They cannot distribute the images to multiple clients.  To do so they would need to purchase the image each time, etc.  For that type of use, DPC members are referred to Fotolia.com where they need to purchase an Extended license.

Cheers,



it seems that unlimited print runs are not considered an EL. Which is utterly ridiculous. How can someone in the industry defend an unlimited print run NOT to be an EL. SS has a limit of 250,000 and otherwise an EL is needed. On Fotolia's Dollar Club I can now get an unlimited print licence for a dollar.
« Last Edit: April 09, 2014, 04:54 by Ron »

« Reply #110 on: April 09, 2014, 04:17 »
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Until very recently Fotolia did not have any print run restriction in their standard license.

Here we can find the announcement that this will change and a print run of up to 500.000 will be covered with the standard license.

I just checked their license terms on their website, the restriction to 500.000 is indeed now in the standard license terms.

Interesting that Fotolia UK (see jarih's post above) doesn't seem to know this...

« Reply #111 on: April 09, 2014, 04:47 »
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Next conversation, is this misleading marketing?

Hi,

I don't agree that this is misleading.

The licences have no global or time restrictions so the images can be used unlimited in this way. A downloader can also use it in unlimited multiple projects under the terms of the Standard Licence too.

Kind Regards,

Fotolia UK

UNDER the SL.. it is LIMITED.. and misleading!

« Reply #112 on: April 09, 2014, 04:48 »
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unless you rely on the money from Fotolia, make a stand and delete your account. Photographers have to make a stand. I have $1 more to make a payout and then I'm gone.

« Reply #113 on: April 09, 2014, 05:25 »
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I have serious doubts this will generate increased revenue for anyone other than FT since I'm not convinced these "bulk buyers" are anything other than a cannibalization of existing or perhaps dormant customers already attuned to buying from FT.

To be fair, FT are only doing as others do in this business and (sad to say) in most of the larger corporations I've worked with i.e. having singularly failed to penetrate and grow new markets they resort to squeezing every last drop out of their suppliers and existing customer base to manufacture profit from flattening revenue streams.

Not very entrepreneurial in my opinion and the consequence of the short term vision now ingrained in many organizations. As someone once said in a meeting "so what happens after we've picked all the low hanging fruit you keep banging on about?"

Appropriate response: "We're f**ked mate."
Actual response: Gobbledygook and a swift end to another useless meeting


« Reply #114 on: April 09, 2014, 05:29 »
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I get 37% on Fotolia (emerald), so I guess I should be receiving $0.37 per download from this DPC deal, is that right ?
If that's the case I have yet to see a download from DPC on my Fotolia account.

« Reply #115 on: April 09, 2014, 05:56 »
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I get 37% on Fotolia (emerald), so I guess I should be receiving $0.37 per download from this DPC deal, is that right ?
If that's the case I have yet to see a download from DPC on my Fotolia account.

I understood those sales will be credited as normal subs downloads, so you won't be able to distinguish between regular subs and sales from the DPC.

stocked

« Reply #116 on: April 09, 2014, 06:11 »
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I get 37% on Fotolia (emerald), so I guess I should be receiving $0.37 per download from this DPC deal, is that right ?
If that's the case I have yet to see a download from DPC on my Fotolia account.
No you will only see a subscription download!

« Reply #117 on: April 09, 2014, 07:48 »
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The buyer is told 1$ - 1 photo, which is a typical pay-per-image deal. Why then Fotolia pays the subscription royalty?

fujiko

« Reply #118 on: April 09, 2014, 08:15 »
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The buyer is told 1$ - 1 photo, which is a typical pay-per-image deal. Why then Fotolia pays the subscription royalty?

Because Fotolia does not want to pay the % of your rank and does not want to count the downloads as credit download to calculate your rank.

Dook

« Reply #119 on: April 09, 2014, 08:43 »
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The buyer is told 1$ - 1 photo, which is a typical pay-per-image deal. Why then Fotolia pays the subscription royalty?

Because Fotolia does not want to pay the % of your rank and does not want to count the downloads as credit download to calculate your rank.
The ranking system became pointless anyway. The better rank you have the worse search position you have (they put lower rank in better search position to pay smaller %). Since I have very high rank and very low earnings (much lower than few years ago) I'm thinking about asking Fotolia to move me back to much lower rank. I'm punished for having high rank, simple as that. And they are the ones who introduced ranking system at the first place, not me.

EmberMike

« Reply #120 on: April 09, 2014, 09:39 »
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The ranking system became pointless anyway. The better rank you have the worse search position you have (they put lower rank in better search position to pay smaller %)...

Is that proven or just your theory?

Dook

« Reply #121 on: April 09, 2014, 10:00 »
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The ranking system became pointless anyway. The better rank you have the worse search position you have (they put lower rank in better search position to pay smaller %)...

Is that proven or just your theory?
Just a theory, of course.
There is noone at Fotolia you can talk to, they don't answer to questions like this. And their forums are a joke.

« Reply #122 on: April 16, 2014, 08:05 »
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I've started to see "File Sold" -e-mails from m.fotolia.com so I suppose these are coming from the "million dollar club" ;)

In my small opinion that club just sucks big time for contributors and fotolia. First they raised vector pricing from 4 -> 6 credits and then they do this one dollar scheisse. Interesting way to do business.

« Reply #123 on: April 16, 2014, 09:16 »
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I get 37% on Fotolia (emerald), so I guess I should be receiving $0.37 per download from this DPC deal, is that right ?
If that's the case I have yet to see a download from DPC on my Fotolia account.

I wonder if by spinning off a new agency, DPC, that this legally nullifies the FT agreement and we have to live by the terms of the new DPC T&C's. I'm no lawyer but seems precisely like what they are doing.

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« Reply #124 on: April 25, 2014, 07:42 »
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http://www.microstockgroup.com/general-stock-discussion/comparison-of-standard-rf-license-agreements/

FT has been screwing everyone for years and people are just now figuring this out????

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General Information

By uploading your files to Fotolia, you are presenting your work to millions of image buyers around the world, 24/7. There are no registration or portfolio management fees, and you have the potential to earn thousands of dollars every month.

Selling creative files on Fotolia requires strict adherence to Fotolia's Terms and Conditions:

    You must be at least 18 years old
    You must be the author of all the files you upload
    You must own, or have authorization for all the rights to the elements represented in your files (products, people, property ...)

When your files are sold, they can be used without limits on time or the number of copies printed. The customer may use a single file in multiple applications including advertising or marketing materials, press releases, articles, business documents, packaging, websites, and blogs. Extended (X) Licenses allow customers to use images on items for resale, such as t-shirts, calendars and other image-based products.

For every file sold, you will receive a royalty payout based on your portfolio exclusivity and ranking:

    from 20% to 63% for content sold via single-image download
    from 0.25 Credits to 0.40 Credits for content sold via Subscription download

Sales from Fotolia resellers via re-licensing will be granted the same royalty payout for single-image or Subscription downloads.

Please note: you will be asked to select the currency zone when you register on Fotolia. Please choose carefully, as once an account is validated, the zone cannot be changed.

You can decide to remove your files from the database at any time. In this case, your files may remain online and available for sale for 3 months. They are definitely removed after this period of 3 months.


 

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