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« Reply #25 on: October 04, 2008, 17:25 »
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Has anyone other than me contacted Chad?


« Reply #26 on: October 04, 2008, 19:10 »
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yeah, i did and heard this
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We had to remove affiliates that were collected as a result of a bug in our system a long time again. We have removed the affiliates but will not require you to pay back the money you incorrectly earned.

« Reply #27 on: October 04, 2008, 23:11 »
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Has anyone other than me contacted Chad?

I phoned Chat late on Friday evening but no answer and I didn't leave a voicemail. I then sent him an email, but no response (it is the weekend).

I phoned their global press rep and he answered, but was running out the door and told me we could talk on Monday. I insisted it was important and rushed a mention of the problem, which came out very wrong. Anyway, he insisted he had to go, so we left it at that. I returned to my computer at 1am to see an IM message from him saying he'd postponed his plans to deal with my complaint, but my rushed mention of the problem was too off-track and he didn't know what problem I was talking about. I imagine if he had already been aware of the issue he would have guessed. Anyway, hat tip to the guy for getting back to me, and head slap to the guy for not changing his response until after he'd hung up.

So, no progress.

« Reply #28 on: October 05, 2008, 03:58 »
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same stuff here...
inconclusive and contradicting support replies, left with the response 'Let me get back to you on this'

the clock is still ticking, I've gone from very frequent referral earnings down to Zero!
It seems like they only removed the good paying referrers!!! The situation sucks!

« Reply #29 on: October 05, 2008, 05:12 »
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thanks for making the calls Lee - Hopefully this gets straightened out asap

« Reply #30 on: October 05, 2008, 06:58 »
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It seems very strange to me that our financials at Fotolia can be altered without any communication from them whatsoever.  Why did we not get an announcement?  What is this "bug" (or is this an excuse to cut us out)?  Are they no longer paying for photographers (different pages say different things)?  Was the affiliate plan agreement altered (again, different on different pages of the site)?

In the past, I have had no issue trying to get proper information from Fotolia.  Now, whats the deal?  Not even a reply email?!?  I feel something very wrong is going on at Fotolia, and no one is giving it to us straight.

« Reply #31 on: October 05, 2008, 22:20 »
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I phoned their global press rep and he answered, but was running out the door and told me we could talk on Monday. I insisted it was important and rushed a mention of the problem, which came out very wrong. Anyway, he insisted he had to go, so we left it at that. I returned to my computer at 1am to see an IM message from him saying he'd postponed his plans to deal with my complaint, but my rushed mention of the problem was too off-track and he didn't know what problem I was talking about. I imagine if he had already been aware of the issue he would have guessed. Anyway, hat tip to the guy for getting back to me, and head slap to the guy for not changing his response until after he'd hung up.

So, no progress.

I got a reply by IM from the press rep (actually on Saturday afternoon) and he says that both Chad and Oleg are aware of the situation and are working to resolve it.  Chad's daughter was born yesterday (Congratulations Chad!!), so communication with him is understandably not straight forward. So, they're aware of the situation and understand how serious it is, and they're working to resolve it "quickly", though we'll get more information when Chad comes back online.

I had directed him to this thread which has more detail of the situation and conflicting responses than the Fotolia thread or other forums, so I expect they've got all the relevant information. This is good news, and a good sign that the Fotolia we've grown to love and trust is at work to resolve the situation.

« Reply #32 on: October 06, 2008, 18:29 »
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Heard back from the Fotolia press rep with the official Fotolia line. Not good news:

True: Fotolia no longer pay for 'new' referred photographers, only buyers. The press rep said that this had already been updated on the website and was surprised when I showed him that it hadn't.

True: They're blaming a bug that mistakenly assigned affiliates, so the removed affiliate will not be restored. Apparently when affiliates are affiliated to an account on a different date to the affiliate's registration date, they've been removed. Some affiliated accounts were older than the account that referred them - meaning it was impossible for the affiliate to have actually referred the new account.

Fotolia has, apparently, lost tens of thousands of dollars due to this bug. Affiliates were getting paid for accounts they didn't refer, but now that money has been stopped. Generously, they're going to let you keep the money they paid you by mistake!  :-\

I told the press rep straight up that I didn't believe the explanation. I told him I thought it was awfully convenient that correcting a bug will save them lots of money, and that my referral earnings at Fotolia were previously in proportion to the size of the agency and the structure of their program but now were lower than smaller agencies with less generous referral programs.

I asked for the date the referral program was changed to exclude paying for referred photographers - he's going to get back to me.  I also asked if they know how long this 'bug' has been erroneously assigning affiliates.

So, conclusion. Fotolia has been accidentally paying us more than they needed to, which means their affiliate program was actually very weak. Now that they've stopped paying for referred photographers, it's REALLY weak! They are also yet to notify affiliates of the change or update the appropriate parts of their website.

« Reply #33 on: October 07, 2008, 07:07 »
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That sounds rather crap!
I've gone from 100% down to 0% in referrals at FT now.
I don't believe it either, I know I have referred those affiliates, the amount of referrals I have had to other sites also backs me up on this!

All sounds very ' convenient ' !  >:(

« Reply #34 on: October 07, 2008, 08:27 »
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Don't forget the big contest this spring where they decided not to award a prize.

Announcing the Unleash Your Creativity contest
http://blog.fotolia.com/us/news/contest/fotolia-_quark-_contest-_desig.html

Announcing that they aren't giving away any prizes.
http://blog.fotolia.com/us/news/contest/unleash_your_creativity-_conte.html

« Reply #35 on: October 07, 2008, 14:20 »
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I think this is enough for me to pull my referral links to Fotolia.  I hate to do it, but I am tired of the games in this industry.  We have to keep track of the return on our time and this looks like its going to fall below the bar.

This will make my referrals worth 50% less or greater.  With bad/no communication, the "bug" excuse, and the disregard for the contact we entered into when signing up, I will no longer refer photographers or buyers there.  Its no longer worth it for me.

I agree they may have found a bug, but for it to be this widespread is too convenient.  Luckily most of mine were resolved and the ones still expired I will toss up to the "bug".  But to go and disable almost all affiliates in a persons account without communication with the user is just wrong.

I may change my mind if this gets addressed in a professional manner, but for now the almost daily referrals from me will stop.

« Reply #36 on: October 07, 2008, 15:25 »
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Why aren't new legitimate referrals even being registered?  I get it that they don't kick back a percentage on photographers - but if they aren't even registering them once they tick the photographer's box we also never get credit if that photographer purchases something. 

RacePhoto

« Reply #37 on: October 08, 2008, 01:20 »
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Why aren't new legitimate referrals even being registered?  I get it that they don't kick back a percentage on photographers - but if they aren't even registering them once they tick the photographer's box we also never get credit if that photographer purchases something. 

Didn't someone say:

Fotolia no longer pays for 'new' referred photographers.
« Last Edit: October 20, 2008, 22:09 by RacePhoto »

« Reply #38 on: October 08, 2008, 09:06 »
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Is that fair to you that you placed a banner on your site, I discover Fotolia through you, bought $1000 in credits, but I checked the photographer box on signup because that is where my heart is?

« Reply #39 on: October 08, 2008, 22:34 »
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Is that fair to you that you placed a banner on your site, I discover Fotolia through you, bought $1000 in credits, but I checked the photographer box on signup because that is where my heart is?

I'm still getting new affiliates appearing in my list. I presume they're photographers because I just don't attract many buyers. I presume the 'Total Revenue' column will just never get off zero if they're photographers (and don't ever buy).

Why don't you think they're not being assigned to you?

Also, since yesterday Fotolia have updated their website to exclude the terminology that refers to paying affiliate revenue for referred 'sales'.

« Reply #40 on: October 09, 2008, 00:46 »
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well that is really too bad they changed that :(  disappointing... and disappointing we had to find out through the grape fine and not from the source.

« Reply #41 on: October 09, 2008, 02:49 »
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Also, since yesterday Fotolia have updated their website to exclude the terminology that refers to paying affiliate revenue for referred 'sales'.

How come the other sites post a statement of change to their Terms & Conditions and Fotolia just changes things?!

I'm still getting referral sign ups to FT but the earnings are practically nonexistent!

You've got to presume that everyone just rolls over and forgets about it, and FT must have something wrote into their / our contracts to cover themselves for changing things overnight without any consultation?! (Or if they didn't, they will have just added a few lines to the contract last night!)


« Reply #42 on: October 09, 2008, 10:10 »
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Why don't you think they're not being assigned to you?
Someone took the time to tell me they signed up under me in Sept and he reported sales shortly after, but no new affiliates appeared on my page.  (Not hard to tell when you've only got a couple to start with.)  So that leads me to believe that I must be wrong if recent photographer affilates are appearing for others - he must have had a cookie already. 

On another note, I have always been the one who thought that Fotolia sales were no where near what others claim.  I noticed Peter mention a change in the search system last month, and since about the 3rd week of September my sales have become very healthy.   The best they've been for me since shortly after V2 and I reordered my keywords = sales virtually stopped.  It's very early in the month and Fotolia is in the lead for me, normally they come in 5th or 6th.  Sure SS and IS are down so more easy to pass, but Fotolia is doing better than ever.  I feel like I have finally become a member of the Fotolia clique that I've heard about.  Fingers crossed that this is the new norm.

« Reply #43 on: October 09, 2008, 12:16 »
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I've stood behind someone and watched them register at Fotolia via my referral link and they never appeared in my affiliates list. It wasn't enough of a controlled environment to prove affiliate scraping, but makes me wonder. It could have been the same thing that happened to you Lorraine.

« Reply #44 on: October 09, 2008, 19:29 »
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Yes, it DOES make you wonder, doesn't it?

« Reply #45 on: October 09, 2008, 21:35 »
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So I guess that's it?  Slapped then they walk away.  Why say sorry when you can say nothing at all?

At least most of mine are back to green.  I guess I could have pulled my site logs for the last few years if I had to argue the point.  Glad I did not have too.  Sorry to hear there are others still in the red.

Oh well.  I pulled my links.  That's about it from me.  Seems to be a trend in microstock.

« Reply #46 on: October 09, 2008, 21:53 »
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Partially, yes. They've given us the information about the changes to the affiliate program and updated their website in accordance with the changes.

However, I was contacted by the PR rep again today who asked me if I had everything I needed to understand the situation. This was a great sign as up until now he'd been very defensive and not very forthcoming. Hopefully it's indicative of what's going on inside the company.

Anyway, I asked him a lot of questions about the situation and provided some evidence of one affiliate that Fotolia had canceled who is my affiliates on another agency. Hopefully they can investigate and discover there was a problem in how they've implemented the affiliate cancellations. If they do it'll lend some believability to their explanation too.

I'll keep you posted.

« Reply #47 on: October 10, 2008, 00:54 »
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thanks for the update posts

« Reply #48 on: October 13, 2008, 16:29 »
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I posted a polite reminder in the Fotolia forums this morning, I have just got home from work now and I find my thread has been deleted??? what is the deal with them?!

I was polite too, just facts and calling for obvious courtesy in regard to telling its customers when things change in the T&C's...  I mean, most other sites out there consult its members when they change something.

« Reply #49 on: October 15, 2008, 09:29 »
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Well I really wonder when we will hear something.

I don't like the fact that a company can just update their contract with us, and not let us know what we are now agreeing to.... without knowing it!

Microstock Diaries just made a blog post about this topic - so if you are still in the dark about where things are at, it is a good place to get caught up.
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