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« Reply #100 on: October 14, 2019, 14:56 »
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Why didn't he get his operation in the UK if the care is better there and free?

Most likely because he could get it done faster in America. Universal healthcare is a safety net, it isn't unlimited health care at the snap of a finger. As far as I know, universal healthcare in all countries that have it, is rationed. The government has a certain budget each year for all its spending, it then decided what percentage to allocate to health care, then the public servants decided how much money to allocate to each type of medical procedure. For people who are lucky enough to be well do to in those countries, most likely they can purchase supplemental private insurance that allows them to get services in the private sector. They pay for the privilege to get more and speedier service. No different than driving on the freeway and paying a toll to drive in the fast lane. Or paying for expensive parking in the busy downtown district. People can have what they want if they want to pay more for it.

Health care in the United States being tied to your employer is silly. It burdens the employer. It creates anxiety for the employees (if coverage is inadequate). There is all sorts of surprise billing post hospital visit. Most of the time people can not find out ahead of time what their procedure will cost because the system is designed to be foggy. The same procedure can cost up to 100x different from hospital to hospital within even the same city. The United States pays the most in health care per person of all countries, and yet in terms of health ranks poorly compared to other rich countries that spend 1/3-1/2 of the amount.


« Reply #101 on: October 14, 2019, 15:31 »
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Why didn't he get his operation in the UK if the care is better there and free?

Most likely because he could get it done faster in America. Universal healthcare is a safety net, it isn't unlimited health care at the snap of a finger. As far as I know, universal healthcare in all countries that have it, is rationed. The government has a certain budget each year for all its spending, it then decided what percentage to allocate to health care, then the public servants decided how much money to allocate to each type of medical procedure. For people who are lucky enough to be well do to in those countries, most likely they can purchase supplemental private insurance that allows them to get services in the private sector. They pay for the privilege to get more and speedier service. No different than driving on the freeway and paying a toll to drive in the fast lane. Or paying for expensive parking in the busy downtown district. People can have what they want if they want to pay more for it.

Case in point. My niece was having a baby in the UK. She had only the UK healthcare not the supplement insurance which you can purchase in the UK at a high cost. They would only allow her to use the UK birthing center for her baby deliver. She was 40 years of age and argued that she wanted to have the baby delivered in the UK hospital. Not allowed by UK folks for her. Sure enough she nearly lost her life and the baby's. Her blood pressure shot up to extremes during the birth at the birthing center.  They did rush her and the baby after the birth to a proper hospital and they had to stay a week in the hospital to get all corrected. All worked out but she and her  baby were very close to going to the next world. If she would of had the supplement insurance as she told me she would have been allowed to have her baby at the UK hospital. This was all in London. Best health care, I don't think so....

ShadySue

« Reply #102 on: October 14, 2019, 15:48 »
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Case in point. My niece was having a baby in the UK. She had only the UK healthcare not the supplement insurance which you can purchase in the UK at a high cost. They would only allow her to use the UK birthing center for her baby deliver. She was 40 years of age and argued that she wanted to have the baby delivered in the UK hospital. Not allowed by UK folks for her. Sure enough she nearly lost her life and the baby's. Her blood pressure shot up to extremes during the birth at the birthing center.  They did rush her and the baby after the birth to a proper hospital and they had to stay a week in the hospital to get all corrected. All worked out but she and her  baby were very close to going to the next world. If she would of had the supplement insurance as she told me she would have been allowed to have her baby at the UK hospital. This was all in London. Best health care, I don't think so....

No-one said it was best, it's #18.
http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/best-healthcare-in-the-world

I had to look up 'birthing centre', as there are none near me, it's all maternity units. However, I remember there being a LOT of pressure by mothers in the past to have more midwife, less doctor, involvement in births.  Glad your niece and baby are doing well.

However, I have often read, for many years that maternity provision is poor in the US, and that seems still to be the case.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-u-s-needs-more-midwives-for-better-maternity-care
https://www.mhtf.org/topics/maternal-health-in-the-united-states
« Last Edit: October 14, 2019, 16:14 by ShadySue »

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« Reply #103 on: October 14, 2019, 16:04 »
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All of which doesn't help the OP.
I hope you get a reply from Adobe accepting that your contract is with Canada therefore there is no reason for you to be cut off from their software and stock sales.
Failing that, I hope your sales pick up at your other outlets.

« Reply #104 on: October 14, 2019, 18:18 »
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All of which doesn't help the OP.
I hope you get a reply from Adobe accepting that your contract is with Canada therefore there is no reason for you to be cut off from their software and stock sales.
Failing that, I hope your sales pick up at your other outlets.

Thank you, very much!

« Reply #105 on: October 14, 2019, 20:59 »
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All of which doesn't help the OP.
I hope you get a reply from Adobe accepting that your contract is with Canada therefore there is no reason for you to be cut off from their software and stock sales.
Failing that, I hope your sales pick up at your other outlets.

Thank you, very much!

I believe that all of us here are wishing you well, no matter which side of the US's political divide we happen to be on.

Still, it would be nice if there was something better we could do for you than just wish you well.

« Reply #106 on: October 14, 2019, 22:11 »
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Main Maduro's political prisoner, Leopoldo Lopez, belongs to the Venezuelan party that belongs to the international socialist democratic parties.

One have to learn how to difference marxist socialism (today Putin supported and manipulated countries, like Cuba, Nicaragua and Venezuela) and Social Democracy (Spain, Norway, Sweden, Canada etc.)

If they just listen to radical right wing radio talk shows, Fox Bigots and Donald they will probably have a very distorted fake version of the reality. And I don't mind they enjoy living in their complete cluelessness, what's kills me is when they try, in their complete ignorance, to convince me to believe in the absurdity their minds have been illuminated for years.
« Last Edit: October 14, 2019, 22:19 by Juanmonino »

« Reply #107 on: October 15, 2019, 08:22 »
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This is the response Adobe Stock give me. It is in spanish, because is my native language.

Hola alexander,
Gracias por contactarnos. Si tienes alguna otra pregunta, o para actualizar tu caso, por favor responde a ste mensaje.

Lo lamento mucho, pero se trata de una orden ejecutiva del presidente de los Estados unidos y Adobe, como empresa estadounidense, est obligada a cumplirla bajo pena de fuertes sanciones y problemas con la administracin.

La orden afecta tanto al Gobierno venezolano como a sus ciudadanos y empresas, sin distincin de afiliaciones o simpatas polticas.

Por ahora no hay nada que se pueda hacer, ms que esperar que haya algn cambio por parte de la administracin.

Un cordial saludo,

Raul Ceron

Adobe Artist Relations

ENGLISH TRANSLATED WITH GOOGLE TRANSLATOR

Hello Alexander,
Thank you for contacting us. If you have any other questions, or to update your case, please reply to this message.

I am very sorry, but this is an executive order from the president of the United States and Adobe, as an American company, is obliged to comply with it under penalty of heavy penalties and problems with the administration.

The order affects both the Venezuelan Government and its citizens and businesses, without distinction of affiliations or political sympathies.

For now there is nothing that can be done, other than waiting for some change from the administration.

A cordial greeting,

Raul Ceron

Adobe Artist Relations

ADOBE 3 by Alexander Snchez, on Flickr

« Reply #108 on: October 15, 2019, 10:53 »
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For now there is nothing that can be done, other than waiting for some change from the administration.


Many of us are looking forward for a change OF the administration.

« Reply #109 on: October 15, 2019, 11:20 »
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For now there is nothing that can be done, other than waiting for some change from the administration.


Many of us are looking forward for a change OF the administration.
and many of us are very happy with our administration.

« Reply #110 on: October 15, 2019, 11:25 »
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and many of us are very happy with our administration.

"Bbbbbbbut SOOOCIIALLYZZMMSSS!!!" Lol.

« Reply #111 on: October 15, 2019, 11:52 »
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For now there is nothing that can be done, other than waiting for some change from the administration.


Many of us are looking forward for a change OF the administration.
and many of us are very happy with our administration.
Correct. Many. As in more than a couple.
The fact is that only a minority is happy with the administration.

« Reply #112 on: October 15, 2019, 15:14 »
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For now there is nothing that can be done, other than waiting for some change from the administration.


Many of us are looking forward for a change OF the administration.
and many of us are very happy with our administration.
Correct. Many. As in more than a couple.
The fact is that only a minority is happy with the administration.


And the fact is the majority didnt even vote for this administration in the first place.

« Reply #113 on: October 15, 2019, 16:22 »
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Sean I have been to all those places. Very high taxes, some have free health care but poor care. Many of those people with money come to America to get great heath care. Even Mic Jagger came to California to get his heart worked on. He is from the UK and they have really poor free health care. Not even sure if Mic would have been cover because of his old age in the UK.  Sean it seems you clearly like Socialism in America. That is your right. For me Socialism is just a pre- word for communism. Sean is the world going to come to an end in twelve years for our abuse of the pollution in the world. You don't even need to answer that, AOC says it will come to an end.....We all know AOC is so smart...

Secede. Seriously. Get by on $1 back for $1 paid in tax. New York gets back only 80, yet THAT'S where MicK Jagger went for his heart operation. My mother lay in the hallway on a gurney for 24 hours when she went to the emergency room...in New Jersey. She was seriously injured by subpar medical care...right here in the USA. Right here in the USA, where getting subpar medical care not only injures you but also bankrupts you. These are the countries with the best medical care:

Canada
Qatar
France
Norway
New Zealand
Germany
Hong Kong
The Netherlands
Switzerland
Singapore
Luxembourg
Japan
Sweden

The U.S. ranks #37.

Coincidentally enough, Texas ranks #37 in health care in the U.S. Maybe that's why Jagger didn't go to Texas for his operation.

Why didn't he get his operation in the UK if the care is better there and free?

Because he is a celebrity loaded with money and lives mostly in NY with his ballerina gf.

But on the other hand if US health care is so good and affordable...

How come that in 2017, more than 1.4 MILLION Americans sought health care in a variety of countries around the world ?
That makes 12,7% of all medical tourism in the world even though America has 4,3% of worlds population which makes US to triple the worlds average...and growing.

And why does medical tourism from US have 25% growth per year if things are going so well ?




« Reply #114 on: October 15, 2019, 16:35 »
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Good healthcare is in America. No one said it is affordable. Poor folk in America can get good healthcare with Medicaid for free or little cost. The middle class has the biggest problem with the cost of health insurance. If they have no insurance no hospital will turn anyone away in the ER room. My son who is a doctor tells me his hospital only gets about 15% of people that pay their ER bill. I pay 1500 dollars a month for my healthcare for my wife and myself. That is with a 3500 deductible. If you want social medical care , go for it. Not for me....

« Reply #115 on: October 15, 2019, 16:46 »
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Good healthcare is in America. No one said it is affordable. Poor folk in America can get good healthcare with Medicaid for free or little cost. The middle class has the biggest problem with the cost of health insurance. If they have no insurance no hospital will turn anyone away in the ER room. My son who is a doctor tells me his hospital only gets about 15% of people that pay their ER bill. I pay 1500 dollars a month for my healthcare for my wife and myself. That is with a 3500 deductible. If you want social medical care , go for it. Not for me....

That is the whole point of social aspect of health care. If its affordable only for handful of people there is not a purpose at at, and also on the other hand system is set that there is no way that everyone will be able to pay that much. 

Health care should be build from grounds that everyone can afford it and then increase its quality for everyone and not that most people cannot afford it but Mick Jagger and company get a great one. 


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« Reply #116 on: October 15, 2019, 17:44 »
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Who cares about healthcare in US!

« Reply #117 on: October 15, 2019, 17:50 »
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Good healthcare is in America. No one said it is affordable. Poor folk in America can get good healthcare with Medicaid for free or little cost. The middle class has the biggest problem with the cost of health insurance. If they have no insurance no hospital will turn anyone away in the ER room. My son who is a doctor tells me his hospital only gets about 15% of people that pay their ER bill. I pay 1500 dollars a month for my healthcare for my wife and myself. That is with a 3500 deductible. If you want social medical care , go for it. Not for me....
That makes zero sense to me. You would rather subsidize everyone who cannot afford insurance with high premiums, paying 18k a year before even paying a deductible, plus pay middlemen who basically tell you what you can afford to have done before being treated?

It just makes no sense to me at all why helping others for the greater good is such a bad thing in your country. You have roads and firemen and cops and subsidize farms, so what gives? It would cost so much less than what you guys have right now. You could solve so many issues with the money this would free up.

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« Reply #118 on: October 15, 2019, 18:15 »
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Who cares about healthcare in US!

People who rely on healthcare in the US?

fritz

  • I love Tom and Jerry music

« Reply #119 on: October 15, 2019, 18:27 »
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Who cares about healthcare in US!

People who rely on healthcare in the US?
It's your problem, not ours!The rest of the world is much,much more important than US.
 Topic is: nazi sanctions against Venezuela... and some other countries
« Last Edit: October 15, 2019, 19:04 by fritz »

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« Reply #120 on: October 15, 2019, 22:10 »
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Who cares about healthcare in US!

People who rely on healthcare in the US?
It's your problem, not ours!The rest of the world is much,much more important than US.
 Topic is: nazi sanctions against Venezuela... and some other countries

It's not my problem... I rely on a healthcare provider much higher in the rankings than the US. But it is a problem... so I'm happy to discuss it, just like I'm happy to discuss sanctions against Venezuela, even though I'm not from Venezuela.

Are you from Venezuela? If not, then (going by your rules) I'm assuming your response to the OP on the topic is: "It's your problem not ours!"?

And yes, the topic is sanctions against Venezuela, but this is a conversation and conversations don't always stay on topic... they twist and turn in different directions from one related subject to another. The US administration, the political structure of Venezuela... they're all in the same ballpark. It's not like we're talking about the must-have children's toy for the upcoming holiday season, or the price of fish in Egypt.

« Reply #121 on: October 16, 2019, 10:15 »
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I cannot understand it, if the media says sanctions are against the government of Nicolas Maduro and they repeat it again and over again. This have been also said by Senator Marco Rubio and the same president of the United States of America Donald Trump. So why Adobe says that ordinary citizens and businesses are also sanctioned, this is Adobe over compliance for the US Executive Order 13885?
 I don't understand.

I saw this on a web page :

Adobe is causing an international stir today after the software giant announced that it would be deactivating all accounts in Venezuela due to a US Executive Order issued back in August. The news was quietly published in a support article uncovered by Bleeping Computer, but journalists and Venezuelan creatives alike are baffled by Adobes justification.

On their support page, Adobe cites US Executive Order 13885 as the reason for this move; however, as several publications have already pointed out, there doesnt seem to be anything in the text of that document that prevents Adobe from doing business with individuals in Venezuela.

The Executive Orderwhich you can read in full belowhas to do with Blocking Property of the Government of Venezuela and specifically defines Government of Venezuela in such a way that your average photographer or graphic artist should not be included in the imposed sanctions. Yet, Adobes support page claims that the practical effect of [Executive Order 13885] is to prohibit almost all transactions and services between U.S. companies, entities, and individuals in Venezuela.

Worse yet, Adobe says the Executive Order prevents them from offering refunds to users who have purchased the software, writing: We are unable to issue refunds. Executive order 13884, orders the cessation of all activity with the entities including no sales, service, support, refunds, credits, etc.

https://petapixel.com/2019/10/08/adobe-blocks-all-users-in-venezuela-to-comply-with-us-executive-order-cant-offer-refunds/

« Last Edit: October 16, 2019, 10:38 by alexandersr »

« Reply #122 on: October 16, 2019, 10:43 »
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I cannot understand it, if the media says that the sanctions are against the government of Nicolas Maduro and they repeat it again and over again. This have been also said by Senator Marco Rubio and the same president of the United States of America Donald Trump. So why Adobe says that ordinary citizens and businesses are also sanctioned, I don't understand.

While the Right (mostly far-right) repeats the word "socialism" over and over again. Those same people don't realize(or maybe they do) they are contributing to the ongoing threat of increasing Fascism in the US. These are the same type of companies and people that supported Hitler. Either from fear, ignorance, or willful intent.
« Last Edit: October 16, 2019, 10:56 by martinrichard »

« Reply #123 on: October 16, 2019, 10:57 »
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I cannot understand it, if the media says that the sanctions are against the government of Nicolas Maduro and they repeat it again and over again. This have been also said by Senator Marco Rubio and the same president of the United States of America Donald Trump. So why Adobe says that ordinary citizens and businesses are also sanctioned, I don't understand.

While the Right (mostly far-right) repeats the word "socialism" over and over again. Those same people don't realize(or maybe they do) they are contributing to the ongoing threat of increasing fascism in the US. These are the same type of companies and people that supported Hitler. Either from fear, ignorance, or willful intent.

I am neither left nor right, I am an ordinary person trying to survive in a socialist country that is going through a strong economic crisis with the greatest hyperinflation in the world. All this result may be due to the mismanagement of the economy by the government of Nicolas Maduro and former President Hugo Chavez. And in recent times to external factors, which have worsened the economic situation.

« Reply #124 on: October 16, 2019, 13:36 »
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I cannot understand it, if the media says that the sanctions are against the government of Nicolas Maduro and they repeat it again and over again. This have been also said by Senator Marco Rubio and the same president of the United States of America Donald Trump. So why Adobe says that ordinary citizens and businesses are also sanctioned, I don't understand.

While the Right (mostly far-right) repeats the word "socialism" over and over again. Those same people don't realize(or maybe they do) they are contributing to the ongoing threat of increasing fascism in the US. These are the same type of companies and people that supported Hitler. Either from fear, ignorance, or willful intent.

I am neither left nor right, I am an ordinary person trying to survive in a socialist country that is going through a strong economic crisis with the greatest hyperinflation in the world. All this result may be due to the mismanagement of the economy by the government of Nicolas Maduro and former President Hugo Chavez. And in recent times to external factors, which have worsened the economic situation.

Is there some way you can "move" your account to some other country that isn't Venezuela? I have no idea. If I were you, I'd be spending my time figuring out if it is possible to move my account to some other country to avoid the sanctions.


 

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