Author Topic: Guess I'll reupload to Fotolia (Read 26772 times)

DallasP · « **on:** October 08, 2014, 14:32 »

Been reading around the forums and it seems like they've been doing fairly well and are still above dreamstime. Since the boycott, microstock has been so boring ... at least those little sub sales kept me checking

Seems like every site has their own dumb little subscription model going ... might as well just accept the fact that we're just going to live on nickels and dimes.

Mark Windom Photography · « **Reply #1 on:** October 08, 2014, 16:04 »

It's your choice to go ahead and 'accept the fact that we're just going to live on nickels and dimes'....I refuse to.

EmberMike · « **Reply #2 on:** October 08, 2014, 16:19 »

Are you going to opt in to DPC?

Mantis · « **Reply #3 on:** October 08, 2014, 16:23 »

Quote from: Mark Windom Photography on October 08, 2014, 16:04

It's your choice to go ahead and 'accept the fact that we're just going to live on nickels and dimes'....I refuse to.

Same here. I am so glad to be disassociated with such a derelict company.

BaldricksTrousers · « **Reply #4 on:** October 08, 2014, 16:23 »

Quote from: EmberMike on October 08, 2014, 16:19

Are you going to opt in to DPC?

Is there any choice?

Mantis · « **Reply #5 on:** October 08, 2014, 16:31 »

Quote from: BaldricksTrousers on October 08, 2014, 16:23

Quote from: EmberMike on October 08, 2014, 16:19
Are you going to opt in to DPC?

Is there any choice?

At the time we discovered their unfair practice by automatically including our ports in DPC they added an opt out. I don't know if that's still in place today, though. The last I read here recently was that they would somehow sweeten your sales on FT if you opted in to DPC.

DallasP · « **Reply #6 on:** October 08, 2014, 16:32 »

Quote from: EmberMike on October 08, 2014, 16:19

Are you going to opt in to DPC?

Doesn't look like I have a choice for a year (it doesn't give an option just says 365 days) but, I got rejected again from SS ... was hoping to start making microstock pay a bit this year. Going to be a desperate winter at this rate

DallasP · « **Reply #7 on:** October 08, 2014, 16:33 »

Quote from: Mantis on October 08, 2014, 16:31

Quote from: BaldricksTrousers on October 08, 2014, 16:23
Quote from: EmberMike on October 08, 2014, 16:19
Are you going to opt in to DPC?

Is there any choice?

At the time we discovered their unfair practice by automatically including our ports in DPC they added an opt out. I don't know if that's still in place today, though. The last I read here recently was that they would somehow sweeten your sales on FT if you opted in to DPC.

Guessing old contributors still have a choice, they might just be trapping the new guys.

dirkr · « **Reply #8 on:** October 08, 2014, 16:46 »

Quote from: DallasP on October 08, 2014, 16:33

Quote from: Mantis on October 08, 2014, 16:31
Quote from: BaldricksTrousers on October 08, 2014, 16:23
Quote from: EmberMike on October 08, 2014, 16:19
Are you going to opt in to DPC?

Is there any choice?

At the time we discovered their unfair practice by automatically including our ports in DPC they added an opt out. I don't know if that's still in place today, though. The last I read here recently was that they would somehow sweeten your sales on FT if you opted in to DPC.

Guessing old contributors still have a choice, they might just be trapping the new guys.

You're sure you're looking at the right place?
The 365 days are for their referral program (what they call affiliation), i.e. you get payment for referred buyers for a year after you referred them.

To opt out of DPC look under "contributor parameters" in your profile, there you should find the possibility to opt out.

DallasP · « **Reply #9 on:** October 08, 2014, 16:57 »

Quote from: dirkr on October 08, 2014, 16:46

Quote from: DallasP on October 08, 2014, 16:33
Quote from: Mantis on October 08, 2014, 16:31
Quote from: BaldricksTrousers on October 08, 2014, 16:23
Quote from: EmberMike on October 08, 2014, 16:19
Are you going to opt in to DPC?

Is there any choice?

At the time we discovered their unfair practice by automatically including our ports in DPC they added an opt out. I don't know if that's still in place today, though. The last I read here recently was that they would somehow sweeten your sales on FT if you opted in to DPC.

Guessing old contributors still have a choice, they might just be trapping the new guys.

You're sure you're looking at the right place?
The 365 days are for their referral program (what they call affiliation), i.e. you get payment for referred buyers for a year after you referred them.

To opt out of DPC look under "contributor parameters" in your profile, there you should find the possibility to opt out.

Oh thanks! I was looking in the wrong spot ...

pkphotos · « **Reply #10 on:** October 08, 2014, 21:51 »

There are only two kinds of people opted into DFC

1/ Contributors who don't know about it, who would opt out if they did know

2/ Complete muppets

disorderly · « **Reply #11 on:** October 08, 2014, 21:55 »

Quote from: pkphotos on October 08, 2014, 21:51

There are only two kinds of people opted into DFC

1/ Contributors who don't know about it, who would opt out if they did know

2/ Complete muppets

That is an insult to Muppets.

DallasP · « **Reply #12 on:** October 09, 2014, 01:14 »

Quote from: disorderly on October 08, 2014, 21:55

Quote from: pkphotos on October 08, 2014, 21:51
There are only two kinds of people opted into DFC

1/ Contributors who don't know about it, who would opt out if they did know

2/ Complete muppets

That is an insult to Muppets.

lol! My original argument that they were selling my .eps for that insanely low price. Realistically I'm starting to hate microstock but, it's kind of become a habit. Like, I wake up and look at what's sold, what has been accepted, other peoples new files, popular and stuff ... and then I try to figure out if I should create something. At this point the blog makes more with much less effort so ... I'm not even sure how bad DPC is with the state of things. That's a very pessimistic outlook I know but, I really think microstock is ... dead ... guess for us little guys anyway.

sharpshot · « **Reply #13 on:** October 09, 2014, 03:03 »

I am being a muppet, just want to see if they sell much through DPC. I will opt out if it looks like my earnings are going to take a hit. They sell so little now compared to SS, I don't think it makes much difference. Buyers want more than just low prices and I don't see them leaving SS for FT. Just looked and this is the message when you go to opt out.

Quote

Are you sure you want to remove your files from DPC?

- If you remove your files from DPC you will not earn any revenues from this new and fast-growing subscription website.

- If you remove your files from DPC you won't benefit from increased subscription payouts from Fotolia subs to 25% of face value. In some cases these can be up to five times the current payout.

- If you remove your files from Dollar Photo Club you will not earn any revenues from the sale of Extended Licenses on DPC with 30 Credit payouts.

- If you decide to sell your files on DPC at a later date, it can take up to two weeks to add them.

Noedelhap · « **Reply #14 on:** October 11, 2014, 14:12 »

Well, all negativity and bias aside, I'd like to know some hard facts:

1) Does DPC butcher sales on other sites?
2) Is DPC garnering enough sales to make it worthwile?
3) Will DPC actually destroy the market as we know it with a race to the bottom?

I'm not opted in, but as for question 1: I'm not seeing any decline in sales on other sites since the existence of DPC, and even if there would be a decline, it's hard to tell if it's because of
DPC.
Therefore, I think the answer to question 3 is 'no'.

That leaves question 2 unanswered. Perhaps opted-in contributors could shine some light on this?

Mantis · « **Reply #15 on:** October 11, 2014, 14:42 »

Quote from: Noedelhap on October 11, 2014, 14:12

Well, all negativity and bias aside, I'd like to know some hard facts:

1) Does DPC butcher sales on other sites?I would love to say it is, but right now probably not so much. However, it has the huge potential to destroy micro stock and make it molecule stock so supporting it in my opinion means that you support the ending micro stock as we know it today, not 5-7 years ago but today. We've taken significant hits over the years and DPC is just another MAJOR CONDUIT to drive price wars. If they attract and steal enough market share (price sensitive buyers) micro stock will be over and pushed down to whatever you want to call the next level down. Remember, DPC does NBOT GIVE A SH*T about what you and me make.
2) Is DPC garnering enough sales to make it worthwhile? Again, only FOTOLIA knows. But if they do, and they end up controlling the lion's share of the industry they will pull more crap than they have ion the past to further erode your commissions. Trusting them is a foolish mindset to have. I am not saying you, just trusting them in general if you know what we know is stupid, ignorant and foolish.
3) Will DPC actually destroy the market as we know it with a race to the bottom? YES!

I'm not opted in, but as for question 1: I'm not seeing any decline in sales on other sites since the existence of DPC, and even if there would be a decline, it's hard to tell if it's because of
DPC.
Therefore, I think the answer to question 3 is 'no'.It's not going to happen over night. It takes time. If they do make significant market penetration the impact will be slow but steady. We'll one day have a thread about where sales have gone and we can refer back to this thread. FOTOLIA and their DPC scheme is such a money grab, destructive product for artists that supporting them only accelerates the potential losses we'll feel later.

Of course all of this is just my opinion, but being in the business of business process design it's pretty straight forward.

That leaves question 2 unanswered. Perhaps opted-in contributors could shine some light on this?

robhainer · « **Reply #16 on:** October 11, 2014, 14:52 »

Quote from: Noedelhap on October 11, 2014, 14:12

Well, all negativity and bias aside, I'd like to know some hard facts:

1) Does DPC butcher sales on other sites?
2) Is DPC garnering enough sales to make it worthwile?
3) Will DPC actually destroy the market as we know it with a race to the bottom?

I'm not opted in, but as for question 1: I'm not seeing any decline in sales on other sites since the existence of DPC, and even if there would be a decline, it's hard to tell if it's because of
DPC.
Therefore, I think the answer to question 3 is 'no'.

That leaves question 2 unanswered. Perhaps opted-in contributors could shine some light on this?

All I can tell you is my earnings on FT went back up after I opted back in to DPC. My earnings on other sites weren't affected. Being on DPC is a net positive for me.

heywoody · « **Reply #17 on:** October 11, 2014, 16:34 »

Also a muppet, volumes & prices both up at FT and getting the 30%+ € bonus - no noticeable effects elsewhere.

Curious what sites the minus givers submit to because, DT / SS excepted, all the others have bent us over...

rene · « **Reply #18 on:** October 11, 2014, 22:51 »

Quote from: robhainer on October 11, 2014, 14:52

Quote from: Noedelhap on October 11, 2014, 14:12
Well, all negativity and bias aside, I'd like to know some hard facts:

1) Does DPC butcher sales on other sites?
2) Is DPC garnering enough sales to make it worthwile?
3) Will DPC actually destroy the market as we know it with a race to the bottom?

I'm not opted in, but as for question 1: I'm not seeing any decline in sales on other sites since the existence of DPC, and even if there would be a decline, it's hard to tell if it's because of
DPC.
Therefore, I think the answer to question 3 is 'no'.

That leaves question 2 unanswered. Perhaps opted-in contributors could shine some light on this?

All I can tell you is my earnings on FT went back up after I opted back in to DPC. My earnings on other sites weren't affected. Being on DPC is a net positive for me.

Probably because many contributors, me included, refuse this deal. If everybody follow your example and opt-in your earnings risk to take a hit.

Justanotherphotographer · « **Reply #19 on:** October 12, 2014, 03:58 »

Quote from: rene on October 11, 2014, 22:51

Probably because many contributors, me included, refuse this deal. If everybody follow your example and opt-in your earnings risk to take a hit.

It's impossible to discuss this without it getting heated so I expect we're going to see some deletions again soon. Shame because it deserves to be discussed. My two cents (and this isn't directed to anyone in particular) is that yes, a lot/ any of the benefits to those opted into DPC are off the backs of those who opted out or protested and landed a better deal, coupled with the decrease in competition on the new site for the same reason.

Let's not forget that some of the people who got the better deal even had accounts with FL closed for standing up for our rights. Does anyone think these people were in the wrong for being angry when FL initially tried to sneak this past us then pretended this was not a company owned by them but an affiliate?

I guess this doesn't make those opted in "muppets" just ....ahem..... shrewd. Shame the negative effects on RPD and download numbers across the industry will be felt by everyone, not just those opted in.

Shelma1 · « **Reply #20 on:** October 12, 2014, 05:40 »

Quote from: Noedelhap on October 11, 2014, 14:12

Well, all negativity and bias aside, I'd like to know some hard facts:

1) Does DPC butcher sales on other sites?
2) Is DPC garnering enough sales to make it worthwile?
3) Will DPC actually destroy the market as we know it with a race to the bottom?

I'm not opted in, but as for question 1: I'm not seeing any decline in sales on other sites since the existence of DPC, and even if there would be a decline, it's hard to tell if it's because of
DPC.
Therefore, I think the answer to question 3 is 'no'.

That leaves question 2 unanswered. Perhaps opted-in contributors could shine some light on this?

You can't know whether the answer to #3 is no, because as you pointed out yourself, it's hard to tell. But there has been a lot of complaining over the past few months about declining sales, especially at SS and iS. If files are selling at DPC, they are NOT selling elsewhere. So DPC has to have some negative effect on sales at other sites...we just can't tell how much of an effect is due to that and not to an influx of new content or other factors.

heywoody · « **Reply #21 on:** October 12, 2014, 06:22 »

To be perfectly honest, I get a better return for my sales at FT / DPC than I do at IS where we are getting raped on both pricing and commission but I suggest the decline there is more to do with the ineptness of the folks in control than any external factors. SS are holding up, DT is coming back nicely after a few bad months mostly due to good RPD and the only place I see a downturn is 123. There is a sense of running faster to stay in the same place generally that can be totally explained by the vast increase in supply over the last while.

Shelma1 · « **Reply #22 on:** October 12, 2014, 07:53 »

Quote from: heywoody on October 12, 2014, 06:22

To be perfectly honest, I get a better return for my sales at FT / DPC than I do at IS where we are getting raped on both pricing and commission but I suggest the decline there is more to do with the ineptness of the folks in control than any external factors. SS are holding up, DT is coming back nicely after a few bad months mostly due to good RPD and the only place I see a downturn is 123. There is a sense of running faster to stay in the same place generally that can be totally explained by the vast increase in supply over the last while.

Well, yes, you're getting a better return at FT/DPC...because your fellow artists boycotted, which pressured them into offering higher commissions to hold onto the content. Just sayin'.

robhainer · « **Reply #23 on:** October 12, 2014, 08:01 »

Funny thing is that I get more credit sales on FT now than I did before DPC. Boycott has little to do with that.

Shelma1 · « **Reply #24 on:** October 12, 2014, 08:17 »

Really? You don't think 25% less competition from your fellow photographers would affect your downloads? (Am I remembering correctly that that's how many files were removed during the boycott?)

robhainer · « **Reply #25 on:** October 12, 2014, 08:26 »

Maybe. I'm not sure what you're expecting me to say. I'm just trying to answer a question.

Mantis · « **Reply #26 on:** October 12, 2014, 08:43 »

Quote from: Shelma1 on October 12, 2014, 07:53

Quote from: heywoody on October 12, 2014, 06:22
To be perfectly honest, I get a better return for my sales at FT / DPC than I do at IS where we are getting raped on both pricing and commission but I suggest the decline there is more to do with the ineptness of the folks in control than any external factors. SS are holding up, DT is coming back nicely after a few bad months mostly due to good RPD and the only place I see a downturn is 123. There is a sense of running faster to stay in the same place generally that can be totally explained by the vast increase in supply over the last while.

Well, yes, you're getting a better return at FT/DPC...because your fellow artists boycotted, which pressured them into offering higher commissions to hold onto the content. Just sayin'.

This is perfectly stated. If we would have never caught or addressed DPC the way we did FOTOLIA could have raped us blind and laughed all the way to the bank. ANY positive changes came at the pressure of contributors, NOT because FOTOLIA felt that it was the right thing to do. They will get away with anything they want until it hurts them, like pulling millions of images and, unfortunately, with some collateral damage of contributors being targeted for their opinions and accounts closed. Who WANTS to be associated with a company like that? Not me. Yes, I lost $50-$75 a month. Big deal. I am much happier without them and their rape the contributor business mentality.

ANGER CHECK: I am no longer angry. Was over that in June when we separated. But I will continue to participate in forum discussions about FOTOLIA to share the facts around their behaviors and business decisions and, what I believe, an intent to price competitors out of the market. This is expressly why I believe that if you support DPC you support a new, lower tier business model.

PeterChigmaroff · « **Reply #27 on:** October 12, 2014, 10:34 »

AFTER I requested all my video clips be deleted and my account closed, I got an email from FT trying to explain how there was a bug error that made clips available to be bought for pennies through a subscription scheme. Like a perpetually wayward spouse, they have a way of falling back on bad habits. It's your heart baby.

dirkr · « **Reply #28 on:** October 12, 2014, 10:42 »

Quote from: Mantis on October 12, 2014, 08:43

Quote from: Shelma1 on October 12, 2014, 07:53
Quote from: heywoody on October 12, 2014, 06:22
To be perfectly honest, I get a better return for my sales at FT / DPC than I do at IS where we are getting raped on both pricing and commission but I suggest the decline there is more to do with the ineptness of the folks in control than any external factors. SS are holding up, DT is coming back nicely after a few bad months mostly due to good RPD and the only place I see a downturn is 123. There is a sense of running faster to stay in the same place generally that can be totally explained by the vast increase in supply over the last while.

Well, yes, you're getting a better return at FT/DPC...because your fellow artists boycotted, which pressured them into offering higher commissions to hold onto the content. Just sayin'.

This is perfectly stated. If we would have never caught or addressed DPC the way we did FOTOLIA could have raped us blind and laughed all the way to the bank. ANY positive changes came at the pressure of contributors, NOT because FOTOLIA felt that it was the right thing to do. They will get away with anything they want until it hurts them, like pulling millions of images and, unfortunately, with some collateral damage of contributors being targeted for their opinions and accounts closed. Who WANTS to be associated with a company like that? Not me. Yes, I lost $50-$75 a month. Big deal. I am much happier without them and their rape the contributor business mentality.

ANGER CHECK: I am no longer angry. Was over that in June when we separated. But I will continue to participate in forum discussions about FOTOLIA to share the facts around their behaviors and business decisions and, what I believe, an intent to price competitors out of the market. This is expressly why I believe that if you support DPC you support a new, lower tier business model.

I fully understand why you don't want to work with them. I don't like them either, though I still have my portfolio with them.

But what I don't understand: why are you still with IS? Their attitude towards contributors is no better, and they have been - for the longest time - the role model for all other agencies to keep commissions down. They had the lowest percentage in the business since they started. And when they decided that 80% is too much, I left them.
I don't think that decision had any positive effect for me. Since then I'm a bit more cautious with deleting portfolios, even at agencies that screw contributors like FT and 123RF.

And by the way, my sales at FT have been up last month, although I am opted out of DPC. Must have some other reason.

spike · « **Reply #29 on:** October 12, 2014, 11:37 »

I'm not opted.in to DPC, but my earnings at Fotolia continue to grow month after month.

So I don't think there's necessarily a causation between being opted in or out and your normal fotolia sales. If there is, I'm not aware of it.

gostwyck · « **Reply #30 on:** October 12, 2014, 12:07 »

Quote from: spike on October 12, 2014, 11:37

I'm not opted.in to DPC, but my earnings at Fotolia continue to grow month after month.

So I don't think there's necessarily a causation between being opted in or out and your normal fotolia sales. If there is, I'm not aware of it.

Realistically I don't see how those who have opted-out of DPC can be deliberately 'punished' with fewer sales at FT. It could only be achieved via modifications to the default sort-order and I can't see FT investing money to achieve that end. Let's face it, FT have the least sophisticated sort-order of any of the main agencies which indicates how little they do invest in such things. For example they seem to be the only agency that don't even give any weighting whatsoever to keywords. The likelihood that FT have actually spent money just to make their search even worse for buyers is highly improbable.

Apart from anything else they appear to already have 80-90% of the content at FT mirrored at DPC. Try a search on any particular subject on each site and there's not much difference in the quantity.

heywoody · « **Reply #31 on:** October 12, 2014, 12:31 »

Quote from: dirkr on October 12, 2014, 10:42

I fully understand why you don't want to work with them. I don't like them either, though I still have my portfolio with them.

But what I don't understand: why are you still with IS? Their attitude towards contributors is no better, and they have been - for the longest time - the role model for all other agencies to keep commissions down. They had the lowest percentage in the business since they started. And when they decided that 80% is too much, I left them.
I don't think that decision had any positive effect for me. Since then I'm a bit more cautious with deleting portfolios, even at agencies that screw contributors like FT and 123RF.

And by the way, my sales at FT have been up last month, although I am opted out of DPC. Must have some other reason.

Took the words right out of my mouth. If FT is showing an earnings increase with no knock on impact elsewhere, how are they any worse than the sites Dirkr mentioned?

Niakris · « **Reply #32 on:** October 12, 2014, 12:32 »

Quote from: Mantis on October 12, 2014, 08:43

Quote from: Shelma1 on October 12, 2014, 07:53
Quote from: heywoody on October 12, 2014, 06:22
To be perfectly honest, I get a better return for my sales at FT / DPC than I do at IS where we are getting raped on both pricing and commission but I suggest the decline there is more to do with the ineptness of the folks in control than any external factors. SS are holding up, DT is coming back nicely after a few bad months mostly due to good RPD and the only place I see a downturn is 123. There is a sense of running faster to stay in the same place generally that can be totally explained by the vast increase in supply over the last while.

Well, yes, you're getting a better return at FT/DPC...because your fellow artists boycotted, which pressured them into offering higher commissions to hold onto the content. Just sayin'.

This is perfectly stated. If we would have never caught or addressed DPC the way we did FOTOLIA could have raped us blind and laughed all the way to the bank. ANY positive changes came at the pressure of contributors, NOT because FOTOLIA felt that it was the right thing to do. They will get away with anything they want until it hurts them, like pulling millions of images and, unfortunately, with some collateral damage of contributors being targeted for their opinions and accounts closed. Who WANTS to be associated with a company like that? Not me. Yes, I lost $50-$75 a month. Big deal. I am much happier without them and their rape the contributor business mentality.

ANGER CHECK: I am no longer angry. Was over that in June when we separated. But I will continue to participate in forum discussions about FOTOLIA to share the facts around their behaviors and business decisions and, what I believe, an intent to price competitors out of the market. This is expressly why I believe that if you support DPC you support a new, lower tier business model.

Totally agree.

Personally I'm not going to re-upload my vector portfolio back to the agency who thinks that raping those who provide the blood for its business is the way to go.

dirkr · « **Reply #33 on:** October 12, 2014, 12:54 »

Quote from: gostwyck on October 12, 2014, 12:07

Quote from: spike on October 12, 2014, 11:37
I'm not opted.in to DPC, but my earnings at Fotolia continue to grow month after month.

So I don't think there's necessarily a causation between being opted in or out and your normal fotolia sales. If there is, I'm not aware of it.

Realistically I don't see how those who have opted-out of DPC can be deliberately 'punished' with fewer sales at FT. It could only be achieved via modifications to the default sort-order and I can't see FT investing money to achieve that end. Let's face it, FT have the least sophisticated sort-order of any of the main agencies which indicates how little they do invest in such things. For example they seem to be the only agency that don't even give any weighting whatsoever to keywords. The likelihood that FT have actually spent money just to make their search even worse for buyers is highly improbable.

Apart from anything else they appear to already have 80-90% of the content at FT mirrored at DPC. Try a search on any particular subject on each site and there's not much difference in the quantity.

Interesting side-track here.
They do such things, but for a different cause.
I do have an image that shows up pretty high (now top thirty in a search leading to over 3000 results, was top 5 a few weeks ago) in their relevant search order.
But only if I search in German on the German FT site.
If I switch to English (US) the same (translated) search term shows a bit more than 5000 results, and my file can't be found in the first 500 (stopped looking after that).
Interestingly enough, if I switch to English (UK) my image is number two (of over 5000).

I suspect this is because I get paid in Euros. Somebody from the US buying in US-$ and them having to pay me in Euros is their worst case. And they know how to avoid that.

Proof: FT shows you a statistic how many files were bought from US buyers. From beginning of 2011 on until today, in my case that is about 1,5% of all sales.

Noedelhap · « **Reply #34 on:** October 12, 2014, 14:06 »

Quote from: dirkr on October 12, 2014, 12:54

I suspect this is because I get paid in Euros. Somebody from the US buying in US-$ and them having to pay me in Euros is their worst case. And they know how to avoid that.

Proof: FT shows you a statistic how many files were bought from US buyers. From beginning of 2011 on until today, in my case that is about 1,5% of all sales.

I'm being paid in euros as well. In my case, about 18% of my total revenue is from US sales.

spike · « **Reply #35 on:** October 12, 2014, 14:26 »

Quote from: dirkr on October 12, 2014, 12:54

Quote from: gostwyck on October 12, 2014, 12:07
Quote from: spike on October 12, 2014, 11:37
I'm not opted.in to DPC, but my earnings at Fotolia continue to grow month after month.

So I don't think there's necessarily a causation between being opted in or out and your normal fotolia sales. If there is, I'm not aware of it.

Realistically I don't see how those who have opted-out of DPC can be deliberately 'punished' with fewer sales at FT. It could only be achieved via modifications to the default sort-order and I can't see FT investing money to achieve that end. Let's face it, FT have the least sophisticated sort-order of any of the main agencies which indicates how little they do invest in such things. For example they seem to be the only agency that don't even give any weighting whatsoever to keywords. The likelihood that FT have actually spent money just to make their search even worse for buyers is highly improbable.

Apart from anything else they appear to already have 80-90% of the content at FT mirrored at DPC. Try a search on any particular subject on each site and there's not much difference in the quantity.

Interesting side-track here.
They do such things, but for a different cause.
I do have an image that shows up pretty high (now top thirty in a search leading to over 3000 results, was top 5 a few weeks ago) in their relevant search order.
But only if I search in German on the German FT site.
If I switch to English (US) the same (translated) search term shows a bit more than 5000 results, and my file can't be found in the first 500 (stopped looking after that).
Interestingly enough, if I switch to English (UK) my image is number two (of over 5000).

I suspect this is because I get paid in Euros. Somebody from the US buying in US-$ and them having to pay me in Euros is their worst case. And they know how to avoid that.

Proof: FT shows you a statistic how many files were bought from US buyers. From beginning of 2011 on until today, in my case that is about 1,5% of all sales.

Now, this is quite interesting.

I'm an EU contributor, but I made a mistake while opening my account, so I get paid in US$. So I suppose for them it would be the best if buyers paid in euro, while they pay me in dollars.
Where can I see this statistic?

dirkr · « **Reply #36 on:** October 12, 2014, 15:36 »

Quote from: spike on October 12, 2014, 14:26

Where can I see this statistic?

In your account click on "see statistics", there in the first drop-down field the last entry ("How many credits have I earned from US buyers?").

etudiante_rapide · « **Reply #37 on:** October 12, 2014, 16:18 »

Dallas, the only thing that counts is whether u make money there . if u do, what others say is not important. also, if everyone hates fotolia...means less ppl submit their work to them. if that means u earn more there, who cares?

Dook · « **Reply #38 on:** October 13, 2014, 02:06 »

Quote from: etudiante_rapide on October 12, 2014, 16:18

Dallas, the only thing that counts is whether u make money there . if u do, what others say is not important. also, if everyone hates fotolia...means less ppl submit their work to them. if that means u earn more there, who cares?

In virtual world of anonimity on forums- yes, you are right. But, in real world, in your town, in your neighborhood, among your friends and people you live with - do you really live this way? Not caring about anybody, just going for money?
I know you don't. It's just that these internet world made us tell stupidities.

stocked · « **Reply #39 on:** October 13, 2014, 03:47 »

Quote from: etudiante_rapide on October 12, 2014, 16:18

Dallas, the only thing that counts is whether u make money there . if u do, what others say is not important. also, if everyone hates fotolia...means less ppl submit their work to them. if that means u earn more there, who cares?

Lagereek in Troll-mode again........

Justanotherphotographer · « **Reply #40 on:** October 13, 2014, 04:44 »

Quote from: dirkr on October 12, 2014, 10:42

I fully understand why you don't want to work with them. I don't like them either, though I still have my portfolio with them.

But what I don't understand: why are you still with IS? Their attitude towards contributors is no better, and they have been - for the longest time - the role model for all other agencies to keep commissions down. They had the lowest percentage in the business since they started. And when they decided that 80% is too much, I left them.
I don't think that decision had any positive effect for me. Since then I'm a bit more cautious with deleting portfolios, even at agencies that screw contributors like FT and 123RF.

And by the way, my sales at FT have been up last month, although I am opted out of DPC. Must have some other reason.

I agree with what you are saying, but each agency is different.

IStock milks its contributors for everything it can get, but it's incompetence and high prices mean that it isn't really a threat to the other agencies. In fact it's mostly cutting its own throat by taking such a high percentage (as already discussed).

They also haven't been caught out misleading contributors in the same way as FL (using generous language). FL's hypocrisy is also hard to swallow, throwing their toys out of the pram when DP came along and threatening their contributors then coming up with DPC that is much worse.

Also before evaluating whether leaving IS had any positive effects for you think about all the time and frustration you have avoided by not uploading to them. Then think about all the subsequent (and future) shenanigans you don't have to worry about. Then factor in that their market share is ever decreasing. Seems like you could have made the right decision, no?

stocked · « **Reply #41 on:** October 13, 2014, 05:15 »

Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on October 13, 2014, 04:44

Quote from: dirkr on October 12, 2014, 10:42

I fully understand why you don't want to work with them. I don't like them either, though I still have my portfolio with them.

But what I don't understand: why are you still with IS? Their attitude towards contributors is no better, and they have been - for the longest time - the role model for all other agencies to keep commissions down. They had the lowest percentage in the business since they started. And when they decided that 80% is too much, I left them.
I don't think that decision had any positive effect for me. Since then I'm a bit more cautious with deleting portfolios, even at agencies that screw contributors like FT and 123RF.

And by the way, my sales at FT have been up last month, although I am opted out of DPC. Must have some other reason.

I agree with what you are saying, but each agency is different.

IStock milks its contributors for everything it can get, but it's incompetence and high prices mean that it isn't really a threat to the other agencies. In fact it's mostly cutting its own throat by taking such a high percentage (as already discussed).

They also haven't been caught out misleading contributors in the same way as FL (using generous language). FL's hypocrisy is also hard to swallow, throwing their toys out of the pram when DP came along and threatening their contributors then coming up with DPC that is much worse.

Also before evaluating whether leaving IS had any positive effects for you think about all the time and frustration you have avoided by not uploading to them. Then think about all the subsequent (and future) shenanigans you don't have to worry about. Then factor in that their market share is ever decreasing. Seems like you could have made the right decision, no?

I agree with this iStock is 'just' greedy and sometimes stupid while Fotolia and Deposhit are really malicious.

robhainer · « **Reply #42 on:** October 13, 2014, 11:29 »

Quote from: Dook on October 13, 2014, 02:06

Quote from: etudiante_rapide on October 12, 2014, 16:18
Dallas, the only thing that counts is whether u make money there . if u do, what others say is not important. also, if everyone hates fotolia...means less ppl submit their work to them. if that means u earn more there, who cares?
In virtual world of anonimity on forums- yes, you are right. But, in real world, in your town, in your neighborhood, among your friends and people you live with - do you really live this way? Not caring about anybody, just going for money?
I know you don't. It's just that these internet world made us tell stupidities.

I'm not going to give up income just because my neighbor says it would br good for him. And I'm not anonymous. I would tell you the same thing to your face.

Nic99 · « **Reply #43 on:** October 13, 2014, 12:05 »

Quote from: stocked on October 13, 2014, 03:47

Quote from: etudiante_rapide on October 12, 2014, 16:18
Dallas, the only thing that counts is whether u make money there . if u do, what others say is not important. also, if everyone hates fotolia...means less ppl submit their work to them. if that means u earn more there, who cares?
Lagereek in Troll-mode again........

Its not Lagereek.

stocked · « **Reply #44 on:** October 13, 2014, 13:39 »

Quote from: Nic99 on October 13, 2014, 12:05

Quote from: stocked on October 13, 2014, 03:47
Quote from: etudiante_rapide on October 12, 2014, 16:18
Dallas, the only thing that counts is whether u make money there . if u do, what others say is not important. also, if everyone hates fotolia...means less ppl submit their work to them. if that means u earn more there, who cares?
Lagereek in Troll-mode again........
Its not Lagereek.

I'm pretty sure he is, so are you! Doesn't this get boring you could create a lot of stock-photos in the time you are managing all these MSG-accounts.

pkphotos · « **Reply #45 on:** October 13, 2014, 14:36 »

Quote from: robhainer on October 13, 2014, 11:29

Quote from: Dook on October 13, 2014, 02:06
Quote from: etudiante_rapide on October 12, 2014, 16:18
Dallas, the only thing that counts is whether u make money there . if u do, what others say is not important. also, if everyone hates fotolia...means less ppl submit their work to them. if that means u earn more there, who cares?
In virtual world of anonimity on forums- yes, you are right. But, in real world, in your town, in your neighborhood, among your friends and people you live with - do you really live this way? Not caring about anybody, just going for money?
I know you don't. It's just that these internet world made us tell stupidities.

I'm not going to give up income just because my neighbor says it would br good for him. And I'm not anonymous. I would tell you the same thing to your face.

Effect of many contributors sharing this way of doing business with barrel scraping agencies -

- Possible short term gain for yourself (since many contributors have chosen to opt out)

- Long term eroding of our collective business, aided by desperate contributors taking whatever they can get from barrel scraping agencies

gostwyck · « **Reply #46 on:** October 13, 2014, 14:53 »

Quote from: robhainer on October 13, 2014, 11:29

Quote from: Dook on October 13, 2014, 02:06
Quote from: etudiante_rapide on October 12, 2014, 16:18
Dallas, the only thing that counts is whether u make money there . if u do, what others say is not important. also, if everyone hates fotolia...means less ppl submit their work to them. if that means u earn more there, who cares?
In virtual world of anonimity on forums- yes, you are right. But, in real world, in your town, in your neighborhood, among your friends and people you live with - do you really live this way? Not caring about anybody, just going for money?
I know you don't. It's just that these internet world made us tell stupidities.

I'm not going to give up income just because my neighbor says it would br good for him. And I'm not anonymous. I would tell you the same thing to your face.

How much does DPC add to your microstock income, as a percentage of the total?

Do you even know how much you gain from DPC as I'm not aware that you can separate out DPC earnings from ordinary FT sales?

You appear to be quite keen on microstock and working quite hard to build your income. Do you not realise that in trying to chase an extra percent or two from DPC then you are endangering the other 98-99%?

DPC was started by FT only when they realised they had lost the 'microstock war' to SS. When they proudly describe DPC as a 'disruptive model' then they mean exactly that. They want to disrupt or destroy microstock itself. Having lost the microstock war they are keen to be first to the party for the 'nanostock war'.

If DPC is successful then the agency has almost cut the contributor out of the equation. A good proportion of their revenue will be coming from the $10 per month or $99 per year subscriptions ... of which the contributor gets absolutely nothing.

I'm surprised Rob that, in supporting DPC, you can't see you are cutting your own throat for a few $'s per month. Unfortunately you are also cutting our throats at the same time.

Pixart · « **Reply #47 on:** October 13, 2014, 15:10 »

Great advice Gostwyck.

Shelma1 · « **Reply #48 on:** October 13, 2014, 16:06 »

Quote from: robhainer on October 13, 2014, 11:29

Quote from: Dook on October 13, 2014, 02:06
Quote from: etudiante_rapide on October 12, 2014, 16:18
Dallas, the only thing that counts is whether u make money there . if u do, what others say is not important. also, if everyone hates fotolia...means less ppl submit their work to them. if that means u earn more there, who cares?
In virtual world of anonimity on forums- yes, you are right. But, in real world, in your town, in your neighborhood, among your friends and people you live with - do you really live this way? Not caring about anybody, just going for money?
I know you don't. It's just that these internet world made us tell stupidities.

I'm not going to give up income just because my neighbor says it would br good for him. And I'm not anonymous. I would tell you the same thing to your face.

Nobody's asked you, or anyone, to give up income only because it's good for them. We've boycotted DPC because it's good for everyone. You included.

heywoody · « **Reply #49 on:** October 13, 2014, 16:54 »

Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on October 13, 2014, 04:44

Quote from: dirkr on October 12, 2014, 10:42

I fully understand why you don't want to work with them. I don't like them either, though I still have my portfolio with them.

But what I don't understand: why are you still with IS? Their attitude towards contributors is no better, and they have been - for the longest time - the role model for all other agencies to keep commissions down. They had the lowest percentage in the business since they started. And when they decided that 80% is too much, I left them.
I don't think that decision had any positive effect for me. Since then I'm a bit more cautious with deleting portfolios, even at agencies that screw contributors like FT and 123RF.

And by the way, my sales at FT have been up last month, although I am opted out of DPC. Must have some other reason.

I agree with what you are saying, but each agency is different.

IStock milks its contributors for everything it can get, but it's incompetence and high prices mean that it isn't really a threat to the other agencies. In fact it's mostly cutting its own throat by taking such a high percentage (as already discussed).

They also haven't been caught out misleading contributors in the same way as FL (using generous language). FL's hypocrisy is also hard to swallow, throwing their toys out of the pram when DP came along and threatening their contributors then coming up with DPC that is much worse.

Also before evaluating whether leaving IS had any positive effects for you think about all the time and frustration you have avoided by not uploading to them. Then think about all the subsequent (and future) shenanigans you don't have to worry about. Then factor in that their market share is ever decreasing. Seems like you could have made the right decision, no?

Sorry, IS - high prices??? That was then, this is now - at least for non-exclusives..

robhainer · « **Reply #50 on:** October 13, 2014, 17:59 »

Quote from: Shelma1 on October 13, 2014, 16:06

Quote from: robhainer on October 13, 2014, 11:29
Quote from: Dook on October 13, 2014, 02:06
Quote from: etudiante_rapide on October 12, 2014, 16:18
Dallas, the only thing that counts is whether u make money there . if u do, what others say is not important. also, if everyone hates fotolia...means less ppl submit their work to them. if that means u earn more there, who cares?
In virtual world of anonimity on forums- yes, you are right. But, in real world, in your town, in your neighborhood, among your friends and people you live with - do you really live this way? Not caring about anybody, just going for money?
I know you don't. It's just that these internet world made us tell stupidities.

I'm not going to give up income just because my neighbor says it would br good for him. And I'm not anonymous. I would tell you the same thing to your face.

Nobody's asked you, or anyone, to give up income only because it's good for them. We've boycotted DPC because it's good for everyone. You included.

It's not good for me. I'm an adult, and I know what's best for me. FT accounts for about 10 percent of my monthly stock income.

gostwyck · « **Reply #51 on:** October 13, 2014, 19:38 »

Quote from: robhainer on October 13, 2014, 17:59

Quote from: Shelma1 on October 13, 2014, 16:06
Quote from: robhainer on October 13, 2014, 11:29
Quote from: Dook on October 13, 2014, 02:06
Quote from: etudiante_rapide on October 12, 2014, 16:18
Dallas, the only thing that counts is whether u make money there . if u do, what others say is not important. also, if everyone hates fotolia...means less ppl submit their work to them. if that means u earn more there, who cares?
In virtual world of anonimity on forums- yes, you are right. But, in real world, in your town, in your neighborhood, among your friends and people you live with - do you really live this way? Not caring about anybody, just going for money?
I know you don't. It's just that these internet world made us tell stupidities.

I'm not going to give up income just because my neighbor says it would br good for him. And I'm not anonymous. I would tell you the same thing to your face.

Nobody's asked you, or anyone, to give up income only because it's good for them. We've boycotted DPC because it's good for everyone. You included.

It's not good for me. I'm an adult, and I know what's best for me. FT accounts for about 10 percent of my monthly stock income.

Hmmph. Just the sort of contributor that DPC hoped, but probably never believed, it could really find. Enjoy your 3% earnings from them! They'll certainly be appreciating the 97% they take from your sales.

admin edit: insult removed

robhainer · « **Reply #52 on:** October 13, 2014, 20:58 »

If being stupid means making more money, then I'll take it and smile.

I'll tell you what. Send me a check for $250 every month, and I'll drop FT just like you want me to. Put your money where your insults are.

And I'm not sure where you get 3 percent from. DPC sells a licence for a dollar and I get 29 cents. That's 29 percent. You know, Shutterstock undercuts itself with cheaper packages at Bigstock, and it pays less because it's almost impossible to get top tier there. Same principle, but nobody seems to be upset about that.

robhainer · « **Reply #53 on:** October 13, 2014, 21:44 »

I'm feeling nice and cooperative, Gostwyck; I'll send you a self-adressed stamped envelope for the first month.

pkphotos · « **Reply #54 on:** October 14, 2014, 00:50 »

Quote from: robhainer on October 13, 2014, 20:58

If being stupid means making more money, then I'll take it and smile.

I'll tell you what. Send me a check for $250 every month, and I'll drop FT just like you want me to. Put your money where your insults are.

And I'm not sure where you get 3 percent from. DPC sells a licence for a dollar and I get 29 cents. That's 29 percent. You know, Shutterstock undercuts itself with cheaper packages at Bigstock, and it pays less because it's almost impossible to get top tier there. Same principle, but nobody seems to be upset about that.

You just don't get it and obviously don't want to. Photographers will never achieve anything collectively against the agencies with this kind of outlook.

amabu · « **Reply #55 on:** October 14, 2014, 02:38 »

Quote from: gostwyck on October 13, 2014, 19:38

Quote from: robhainer on October 13, 2014, 17:59
Quote from: Shelma1 on October 13, 2014, 16:06
Quote from: robhainer on October 13, 2014, 11:29
Quote from: Dook on October 13, 2014, 02:06
Quote from: etudiante_rapide on October 12, 2014, 16:18
Dallas, the only thing that counts is whether u make money there . if u do, what others say is not important. also, if everyone hates fotolia...means less ppl submit their work to them. if that means u earn more there, who cares?
In virtual world of anonimity on forums- yes, you are right. But, in real world, in your town, in your neighborhood, among your friends and people you live with - do you really live this way? Not caring about anybody, just going for money?
I know you don't. It's just that these internet world made us tell stupidities.

I'm not going to give up income just because my neighbor says it would br good for him. And I'm not anonymous. I would tell you the same thing to your face.

Nobody's asked you, or anyone, to give up income only because it's good for them. We've boycotted DPC because it's good for everyone. You included.

It's not good for me. I'm an adult, and I know what's best for me. FT accounts for about 10 percent of my monthly stock income.

Hmmph. It turns out you are actually even more stupid than I gave you credit for. Just the sort of contributor that DPC hoped, but probably never believed, it could really find. Enjoy your 3% earnings from them! They'll certainly be appreciating the 97% they take from your sales.

I wonder who is the stupid one here

It seems you are confusing DPC (Dollar Photo Club) with DP (Depositphoto). DP are the ones paying only 3%.
So you boycott DPC without knowing why - or for the wrong reasons - or because you just didn´t think for yourself but just did what others were telling you to do...

Justanotherphotographer · « **Reply #56 on:** October 14, 2014, 03:08 »

Quote from: robhainer on October 13, 2014, 11:29

'm not going to give up income just because my neighbor says it would br good for him. And I'm not anonymous. I would tell you the same thing to your face.

Are you sure you meant to say this, or was it just because the debate has gotten heated? I ask because saying, to paraphrase, "I just want to make money even if it's hurting other people" are the words of a sociopath.

Justanotherphotographer · « **Reply #57 on:** October 14, 2014, 03:17 »

Quote from: heywoody on October 12, 2014, 12:31

Took the words right out of my mouth. If FT is showing an earnings increase with no knock on impact elsewhere, how are they any worse than the sites Dirkr mentioned?[/font][/size]

I think your case is a bit a different from Rob's, the best way to maximise your sales could be go with DPC, just because of the nature of your portfolio. Different strokes for different folks.

Rob (and others like him) I still think are cutting their own throat for short term gains.

Rob, are you in this for the long haul, or do you think Stock is over and are actually concentrating elsewhere for the most part?

I can understand opting in if this is the case. If not how do you see this model as sustainable? As I've said before the real value of a dollar goes down every year and our pay per download has to be continuously cut by FL to increase their profits.

amabu · « **Reply #58 on:** October 14, 2014, 03:30 »

Great, if you post complete nonsense it´s a "great post"... And if you point out some of the flawed "arguments" you get multiple "disagree" votes...

Facts don´t count much on this forum...

Nic99 · « **Reply #59 on:** October 14, 2014, 03:33 »

Quote from: gostwyck on October 13, 2014, 19:38

Quote from: robhainer on October 13, 2014, 17:59
Quote from: Shelma1 on October 13, 2014, 16:06
Quote from: robhainer on October 13, 2014, 11:29
Quote from: Dook on October 13, 2014, 02:06
Quote from: etudiante_rapide on October 12, 2014, 16:18
Dallas, the only thing that counts is whether u make money there . if u do, what others say is not important. also, if everyone hates fotolia...means less ppl submit their work to them. if that means u earn more there, who cares?
In virtual world of anonimity on forums- yes, you are right. But, in real world, in your town, in your neighborhood, among your friends and people you live with - do you really live this way? Not caring about anybody, just going for money?
I know you don't. It's just that these internet world made us tell stupidities.

I'm not going to give up income just because my neighbor says it would br good for him. And I'm not anonymous. I would tell you the same thing to your face.

Nobody's asked you, or anyone, to give up income only because it's good for them. We've boycotted DPC because it's good for everyone. You included.

It's not good for me. I'm an adult, and I know what's best for me. FT accounts for about 10 percent of my monthly stock income.

Hmmph. Just the sort of contributor that DPC hoped, but probably never believed, it could really find. Enjoy your 3% earnings from them! They'll certainly be appreciating the 97% they take from your sales.

admin edit: insult removed

before you make a complete ass of yourself, check your facts first

Nic99 · « **Reply #60 on:** October 14, 2014, 03:36 »

Quote from: amabu on October 14, 2014, 03:30

Great, if you post complete nonsense it´s a "great post"... And if you point out some of the flawed "arguments" you get multiple "disagree" votes...

Facts don´t count much on this forum...

Dook · « **Reply #61 on:** October 14, 2014, 05:30 »

Quote from: robhainer on October 13, 2014, 11:29

Quote from: Dook on October 13, 2014, 02:06
Quote from: etudiante_rapide on October 12, 2014, 16:18
Dallas, the only thing that counts is whether u make money there . if u do, what others say is not important. also, if everyone hates fotolia...means less ppl submit their work to them. if that means u earn more there, who cares?
In virtual world of anonimity on forums- yes, you are right. But, in real world, in your town, in your neighborhood, among your friends and people you live with - do you really live this way? Not caring about anybody, just going for money?
I know you don't. It's just that these internet world made us tell stupidities.

I'm not going to give up income just because my neighbor says it would br good for him. And I'm not anonymous. I would tell you the same thing to your face.

What's your problem?

Nic99 · « **Reply #62 on:** October 14, 2014, 05:53 »

Quote from: Dook on October 14, 2014, 05:30

Quote from: robhainer on October 13, 2014, 11:29
Quote from: Dook on October 13, 2014, 02:06
Quote from: etudiante_rapide on October 12, 2014, 16:18
Dallas, the only thing that counts is whether u make money there . if u do, what others say is not important. also, if everyone hates fotolia...means less ppl submit their work to them. if that means u earn more there, who cares?
In virtual world of anonimity on forums- yes, you are right. But, in real world, in your town, in your neighborhood, among your friends and people you live with - do you really live this way? Not caring about anybody, just going for money?
I know you don't. It's just that these internet world made us tell stupidities.

I'm not going to give up income just because my neighbor says it would br good for him. And I'm not anonymous. I would tell you the same thing to your face.
What's your problem?

whats yours? the guy is just countering attacks. why so hostile? chill

Dook · « **Reply #63 on:** October 14, 2014, 06:07 »

Quote from: Nic99 on October 14, 2014, 05:53

Quote from: Dook on October 14, 2014, 05:30
Quote from: robhainer on October 13, 2014, 11:29
Quote from: Dook on October 13, 2014, 02:06
Quote from: etudiante_rapide on October 12, 2014, 16:18
Dallas, the only thing that counts is whether u make money there . if u do, what others say is not important. also, if everyone hates fotolia...means less ppl submit their work to them. if that means u earn more there, who cares?
In virtual world of anonimity on forums- yes, you are right. But, in real world, in your town, in your neighborhood, among your friends and people you live with - do you really live this way? Not caring about anybody, just going for money?
I know you don't. It's just that these internet world made us tell stupidities.

I'm not going to give up income just because my neighbor says it would br good for him. And I'm not anonymous. I would tell you the same thing to your face.
What's your problem?

whats yours? the guy is just countering attacks. why so hostile? chill

What are you talking about now? I'm confused. I didn't attack anybody and I was talking to the other guy, not to him. I wasn't talking to you neither. Just give me a break.

stocked · « **Reply #64 on:** October 14, 2014, 06:37 »

Quote from: Dook on October 14, 2014, 06:07

Quote from: Nic99 on October 14, 2014, 05:53
Quote from: Dook on October 14, 2014, 05:30
Quote from: robhainer on October 13, 2014, 11:29
Quote from: Dook on October 13, 2014, 02:06
Quote from: etudiante_rapide on October 12, 2014, 16:18
Dallas, the only thing that counts is whether u make money there . if u do, what others say is not important. also, if everyone hates fotolia...means less ppl submit their work to them. if that means u earn more there, who cares?
In virtual world of anonimity on forums- yes, you are right. But, in real world, in your town, in your neighborhood, among your friends and people you live with - do you really live this way? Not caring about anybody, just going for money?
I know you don't. It's just that these internet world made us tell stupidities.

I'm not going to give up income just because my neighbor says it would br good for him. And I'm not anonymous. I would tell you the same thing to your face.
What's your problem?

whats yours? the guy is just countering attacks. why so hostile? chill
What are you talking about now? I'm confused. I didn't attack anybody and I was talking to the other guy, not to him. I wasn't talking to you neither. Just give me a break.

It's Lagereek with some face-lifting trolling as usual yaaaawn. Not worth to think about it.

sharpshot · « **Reply #65 on:** October 14, 2014, 06:54 »

I stayed opted in to see if there were many sales but FT is still dead. I'm opted out now. I think that the DPC will be a big flop because FT have ruined their brand, just like istock have. The only way to rebuild it would be to get us interested again and istock and FT don't seem capable of that. I'm still doing well with the sites that haven't taken away my motivation to make money.

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