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Agency Based Discussion => Adobe Stock => Topic started by: lola on April 27, 2011, 00:15

Title: How does one disable EL's on all files at once at FT?
Post by: lola on April 27, 2011, 00:15: Is this possible, or even one by one - I can't seem to find the option anywhere...

Also, any other sites you guys would recommend that I remove the EL feature from my files - sites that you're glad you don't have it on?
Title: Re: How does one disable EL's on all files at once at Fotolia?
Post by: leaf on April 27, 2011, 00:31: They don't have any kind of a bulk editor but support might be able to do it for you if you open a support ticket. I know they can do a bulk change of prices.
Title: Re: How does one disable EL's on all files at once at Fotolia?
Post by: sharpshot on April 27, 2011, 01:19: Why remove the EL license? I would like to get more EL's, not less. They're a bit cheap at first with FT but you can raise your prices when you reach their next cannister level. EL's are a big boost to my earnings, I just wish the sites did more to make sure buyers were aware that they need them. I'm sure a lot of buyers just use an ordinary license when they should be paying for an EL.
Title: Re: How does one disable EL's on all files at once at Fotolia?
Post by: lola on April 27, 2011, 13:43: Perhaps I'm misinformed - I thought an EL meant that you lose the rights to continue to sell that file on any other site, forever. So, I guess I don't want to have an image sell for $4 and then lose the rights to make money with it....

.....that's how I'm understanding the 20 credits for EL's at my level, but you only get 20% of that, so that is $4, no?

Please tell me if I have it wrong...
Title: Re: How does one disable EL's on all files at once at Fotolia?
Post by: lisafx on April 27, 2011, 13:59: Yes, you have it wrong. An EL is an additional license that offers more usage rights than the standard license, such as larger print runs, objects for resale, etc.

Here are the details: http://www.fotolia.com/Contract/Download/vXTlJ9PTVNwFLW6CoK1J3qppzILuAPZw (http://www.fotolia.com/Contract/Download/vXTlJ9PTVNwFLW6CoK1J3qppzILuAPZw)

AFAIK the only site that has an EL to sell the rights is Dreamstime, but even there, you can opt out of that EL and still offer the others.

There's no down side to most of the ELs. You just get more money and it encourages people to buy the right license for their uses instead of just using images beyond the scope of the regular license.
Title: Re: How does one disable EL's on all files at once at Fotolia?
Post by: ouchie on April 28, 2011, 21:13: I understand you can set it up to sel EL for more $$, can i do that.
BTW: im only bronz right now, i might not have that option?
Title: Re: How does one disable EL's on all files at once at Fotolia?
Post by: lola on April 28, 2011, 21:32: Okay.... I guess I should not be so proud of my researching skills. ::)

Thanks you guys!
Title: Re: How does one disable EL's on all files at once at Fotolia?
Post by: Pheby on April 29, 2011, 11:57: Quote from: zenpix on April 28, 2011, 21:13
I understand you can set it up to sel EL for more $$, can i do that.
BTW: im only bronz right now, i might not have that option?

Bronze members can set the prices of ELs to 50 credits, silver members and above to 100 credits.
Title: Re: How does one disable EL's on all files at once at Fotolia?
Post by: madelaide on April 30, 2011, 12:31: I'm even curious if any sites allow us to disable ELs. When one starts at FT, with the ridiculous low price of 20 credits, it is indeed tempting to disable that, but do they (or any other site) allow to disable ELs?

Maybe many do, but ELs were always such a desirable choice that I never thought about it. :)
Title: Re: How does one disable EL's on all files at once at Fotolia?
Post by: Pheby on April 30, 2011, 19:12: Quote from: madelaide on April 30, 2011, 12:31
I'm even curious if any sites allow us to disable ELs. When one starts at Fotolia, with the ridiculous low price of 20 credits, it is indeed tempting to disable that, but do they (or any other site) allow to disable ELs?

Maybe many do, but ELs were always such a desirable choice that I never thought about it. :)

Yes, you can choose at Fotolia; you click a box to opt in when you upload. And at istock you can opt out too. I'm not sure about Shutterstock and Dreamstime, though.
Title: Re: How does one disable EL's on all files at once at Fotolia?
Post by: ouchie on April 30, 2011, 21:52: Quote from: Pheby on April 29, 2011, 11:57
Quote from: zenpix on April 28, 2011, 21:13
I understand you can set it up to sel EL for more $$, can i do that.
BTW: im only bronz right now, i might not have that option?

Bronze members can set the prices of ELs to 50 credits, silver members and above to 100 credits.

thank you for the info! To bad u cant do it all at once u have to go one by one and set the price higher.

Thanks again,
Nick
Title: Re: How does one disable EL's on all files at once at Fotolia?
Post by: Pheby on May 01, 2011, 03:29: I'd write a ticket to support and ask them to raise the price of all the files in one go.
Title: Re: How does one disable EL's on all files at once at Fotolia?
Post by: wordplanet on June 04, 2011, 03:09: I just had my first EL at fotolia and noticed the license was much broader than at shutterstock, where you get $28 vs. $4. I thought I'd read through it before but realize I must have been confusing it with shutterstock. I joined fotolia after I had a few ELs @ $28 a pop on SS and figured it was worth opting in (as a newbie I must have thought I'd get $20 for an EL)- and now I believe that was a mistake. IMHO, if someone is going to use my photos for more than the limited scope permitted with the regular microstock download, then I'd rather have them license it from shutterstock where, although it's still a small commission, it's much more than the paltry $4.

In order to disable it, I went into edit and unchecked EL. I had a few, however, that would not allow me to edit them. I've been on fotolia for a little over a year and had a few old photos which sold back in March-April 2010. I guess they cut off all editing options after a file hasn't had a sale in a year. I just have a few files on fotolia and find their upload/keyword process cumbersome, but I get a few sales and assume it's not worth closing the account. Anyway, I wrote to them asking them to remove the others from the EL option last week but still haven't heard from them.

Did any of you have any luck contacting them and having them change your licensing options? If not, I'll probably delete the files altogether. Although the last couple of months have been slow, even slow sales at alamy, DT and SS are much better than my BME at fotolia.

I also found five photos of mine that from fotolia on fotkyfoto. I saw one post here that assumed the two sites are related, but does anyone know for certain? I wrote to fotolia about this too in a separate communication last week, but have yet to hear from them. Does anyone know for certain that the sites are related? I don't want to send a takedown notice if they're a legitimate partner.

BTW, DT does let you opt out of their EL and "sell the rights" options - they're different. You opt in to both and can change it by editing your image. Web-EL and Print-EL grant more extensive rights than the regular license-but you keep your copyright and can continue to license the photo. Sell the rights EL, EL-1 and EL-3 let you choose your price. You sell your copyright in the first instance - not usually a good idea unless you get a lot of money and in the others you grant an exclusive license for 1 or 3 years. It's confusing because the web & print "EL" means "Extended License" while the "Sell the rights" EL's mean "Exclusive License". The last two - exclusive for a year or for 3 years - are really an exclusive RM license (the license is not only limited in time like a regular RM license, but it is also exclusive during that time). I wouldn't mind setting a high price for the EL-1 or 3 but haven't opted in since I don't want to give up my rights altogether, and you have to opt in to all 3 exclusive options together, while the web and print extended licenses are each separate.