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Agency Based Discussion => Adobe Stock => Topic started by: MatHayward on May 13, 2014, 15:48
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Hi Everyone,
I’ve got exciting news to share with you! Fotolia has changed the commission structure for monthly subscription downloads for all contributors.
The changes have taken effect as of today so you may have noticed some differences already. From now on, all contributors that are opted in to Dollar Photo Club will receive 25% of the price paid for a subscription download. For example, a $25 monthly subscription provides 5 XXL images resulting in a $5 price per image. Your commission on that sale will now be $1.25 instead of the flat rate it has been. In some cases this change can result in more than a 500% increase in commissions.
As subscription quantities increase, the cost per photo goes down. The good news is that your commission will never go under what it is now . In other words, the minimum commission you will receive is the same commission as it has always been. This change can only affect you positively.
The 25% rate is for those opted IN to DPC. If you choose to opt out of DPC, Fotolia will still pay a 20% commission for subscription sales at Fotolia which in some case is a 400% increase for existing sub commissions.
Some more news will come soon regarding the Extended license at Dollar Photo Club.
Cheers!
Mat
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Desperate, eh? :)
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Fight back with bribery and whitewash it. >:(
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Leaf, badge please.
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But what about the royalty on the Dollar Photo Club sales themselves - is that changing? 25% of $1 is 25 cents - so the existing rates would apply, correct?
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Leaf, maybe MatHayward should get a Fotolia logo on his profile image so it is clear for everybody that he works for Fotolia?
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But what about the royalty on the Dollar Photo Club sales themselves - is that changing? 25% of $1 is 25 cents - so the existing rates would apply, correct?
That's a good question Joann. The commission rate on Dollar Photo Club sales will be a subscription commission based on rank as it has been. Here is a breakdown of the rates for DPC commissions.
White 0.25 credits
Bronze 0.27 credits
Silver 0.29% credits
Gold 0.31% credits
Emerald 0.33% credits
Sapphire 0.35% credits
Rubis 0.37% credits
Diamond 0.40% credits
-Mat
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But with all the SEO, tweeting and everything else you're doing to push DPC, who's going to be buying from Fotolia?
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This makes me so aggravated I'm removing all my files from Fotolia. Not that I had many there to begin with.
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I suppose that is good news, but I really had hoped for a higher threshold at DPC. If DPC is really meant for large buyers, then 10 dollars is WAY too low. Raise the bar to 99 dollars, and I will gladly opt in again.
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We should shutdown DPC.
War on socialmedia and contacting dpc contributors via mail. Organised resistance should be our answer. :-*
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Sold an hour ago
License XL
Price N/A
Commission 0.27
No change.
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I know we are all frustrated with DPC, but .. er.. isn't this good news?
Fotolia are making it more lucrative to be part of DPC. Isn't that what we want/wanted?
just asking..... (goes and hides behind the tomato shield)
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I know we are all frustrated with DPC, but .. er.. isn't this good news?
Fotolia are making it more lucrative to be part of DPC. Isn't that what we want/wanted?
just asking..... (goes and hides behind the tomato shield)
Not necessarily. DPC will still undercut regular sales everywhere else, so you'll get fewer and fewer Fotolia (and other site) sales, so the "huge" increase in commission won't amount to anything.
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I know we are all frustrated with DPC, but .. er.. isn't this good news?
Fotolia are making it more lucrative to be part of DPC. Isn't that what we want/wanted?
just asking..... (goes and hides behind the tomato shield)
I think the problem is the cheap entry level devaluing all images and potentially causing competition to do the same if DPC is a success. XL at CanStockPhoto cost 10 dollar, its 90% cheaper at DPC.
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I know we are all frustrated with DPC, but .. er.. isn't this good news?
Fotolia are making it more lucrative to be part of DPC. Isn't that what we want/wanted?
just asking..... (goes and hides behind the tomato shield)
Not really. If someone wants one of my images they can buy it from my symbio-site at $14.75 or via subs at SS for a $250 commitment... or 10 of my images for a $10 commitment at DPC. I need 59 sales at DPC to match just one on my own site. Still look good to you?
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Volume discounts shouldn't start at a $10 level - at a bare minimum, that's what must change.
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In my humble view, that seems to tell that Fotolia foresees itself making money with DPC, not with Fotolia.
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Technically it is good news (and I appreciate that Mat came to the lion's den and brought the news).
It does not neccessarily make opting in into DPC more attractive, because I might get higher subscription commissions on Fotolia than on DPC. What it does is (from what I see and understand) it rectifies the injustices in contributor shares brought on by the mini-sub-programms.
On the other hand - it also makes following through how commissions will be calculated extremely difficult and it does not prevent FT from slashing down subscription package prices tremendously - in which case contributors will earn their agreed share, but their RPD is gonna sink (I foresee commissions below 25 cents or 20 cents in the future). This will need careful watching!
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Now, we have some good thoughts being tossed on the table. It kind of reminds of of when Senior Management tells the union flat out 'No' but changes its mind and is willing to listen to the employees... 8)
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so FT subs went up to 20% (actually we don't know what was before right?) if you are opted-out and 25% if opted-in
why would we opt in? for an extra 5% on 10$ plans?
maybe I am missing something
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Ah yes OK, well I can still agree that the minimum 'buy in' for the DPC is low - just saying that in terms of commissions it is a step in the right direction and looks ok.
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Just to clear that up a bit:
If I understand that correctly, it is NOT about DPC directly.
Fotolia is raising the commission they pay on the monthly subscriptions.
Until now all we receive is our regular subscription rate.
For example the smallest package sells at $25 for 5 XXL images, i.e. we used to receive $0,25 - $0,40 per sale depending on our rank.
That is 5% - 8%.
Now they raise that to a flat 20% (with a lower limit of the old rate).
That alone is a good move.
While I would like to receive the rate according to my rank (as these are not really subscriptions, but rather credit packages under a different name) it is still an improvement.
Now the connection to DPC: If you opt your portfolio in to DPC, that rate (for the monthly subscriptions) goes up from 20% to 25%.
That's how I understood it.
@Mat: Correct?
And another one: Will FT consider raising the entry level for DPC to something realistic?
Only then will I opt back in.
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I haven't been following this DPC thing so dumb question - is this an opt in / opt out thing & how do we know if we have been automatically opted in?
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what!! im silver, if you sold for 5 dollar my rate is 1,25 in or out of your S-H-I-T DPC...żare you paying 0,29 for a 5 $ sale?
I desire Fotolia Crush!
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I dont care if they are desperate but the subs on FT just went up by 15% points for me, which can mean a 400% increase on a XL sub sale. Without opting in to DPC. I take that raise any day of the week.
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I haven't been following this DPC thing so dumb question - is this an opt in / opt out thing & how do we know if we have been automatically opted in?
Everyone's automatically opted in. You have to opt out, which only became an option after the peasants revolted (and a very hard to find option).
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what!! im silver, if you sold for 5 dollar my rate is 1,25 in or out of your S-H-I-T DPC...żare you paying 0,29 for a 5 $ sale?
I desire Fotolia Crush!
They paid you $0,29 for a $5 sale since the introduction of the monthly subs. That's neither new nor connected to DPC.
Now they're raising that to $1, if you're out of DPC and $1,25 if you're in.
That's how I understand it.
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I dont care if they are desperate but the subs on FT just went up by 15% points for me, which can mean a 400% increase on a XL sub sale. Without opting in to DPC. I take that raise any day of the week.
The only way this will really work is if people continue to opt out of DPC. They'll still get a raise in commission, but their sales on FT won't be undercut by sales on DPC.
It's a choice between a slightly lower (but higher than it was) commission on subs sales vs. a slightly higher commission that will quickly disappear as DPC sales take over and Fotolia sales drop.
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Just to clear that up a bit:
If I understand that correctly, it is NOT about DPC directly.
Fotolia is raising the commission they pay on the monthly subscriptions.
Until now all we receive is our regular subscription rate.
For example the smallest package sells at $25 for 5 XXL images, i.e. we used to receive $0,25 - $0,40 per sale depending on our rank.
That is 5% - 8%.
Dirk
Now they raise that to a flat 20% (with a lower limit of the old rate).
That alone is a good move.
While I would like to receive the rate according to my rank (as these are not really subscriptions, but rather credit packages under a different name) it is still an improvement.
Now the connection to DPC: If you opt your portfolio in to DPC, that rate (for the monthly subscriptions) goes up from 20% to 25%.
That's how I understood it.
@Mat: Correct?
Dirkr,
Thank you for your posts and your interpretation. You are exactly right.
This thread is moving really fast and every time I attempt to respond multiple posts come in behind it. For those of you that do contribute to Fotolia that are involved in this thread there are a couple of important points I don't want to be missed...
The minimum amount you will be paid for a subscription commission is the rate that it has been. If a member pays only $0.74 for an image you will still receive 0.33 credits if you are an Emerald contributor as it has always been. This will not go down. There is no downside to this..at all. The only changes made here are massive increases in monthly subscription commissions. If a members pay $5 you will earn 1.25 credits if you opt in to DPC or 1 credit if you are opted out DPC. Either way, it's a win for contributors.
I know for a fact that your commissions will be increased dramatically with this change, I've already seen a couple of larger commissions on sub downloads today. This only concerns Fotolia. We decided to add an incentive for those of you who opt in to Dollar Photo Club. Fotolia is growing...fast and it wil continue to grow fast . The combined increase in commissions and in additional sales from the added source of DPC if you make the choice to opt in I predict will blow your mind. The interest of contributors and the agencies is aligned and our only goal is to grow the market and to grow commissions as a whole.
There are subscription sites offering free trials all over the industry, they are selling subscription plans pennies on the dollar for example $39 for 150 downloads.
Fotolia is going the other direction
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I dont care if they are desperate but the subs on FT just went up by 15% points for me, which can mean a 400% increase on a XL sub sale. Without opting in to DPC. I take that raise any day of the week.
The only way this will really work is if people continue to opt out of DPC. They'll still get a raise in commission, but their sales on FT won't be undercut by sales on DPC.
It's a choice between a slightly lower (but higher than it was) commission on subs sales vs. a slightly higher commission that will quickly disappear as DPC sales take over and Fotolia sales drop.
Thanks for explanation...!! 4,71 go to Fotolia and 0,29 for me... I prefer this abuse to get into DPC...i want an "Opt - out "option for these fake 25$ subscription pack!!... I realy LOVE now Fotolia!!
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They paid you $0,29 for a $5 sale since the introduction of the monthly subs. That's neither new nor connected to DPC.
Now they're raising that to $1, if you're out of DPC and $1,25 if you're in.
That's how I understand it.
First of all any kind of raise is good news. And the raise is taking place on Fotolia where we are currently earning our money. This is exactly what I suggested, that if someone takes the risk of opting into DPC they should receive the risk bonus on Fotolia, not dpc. After all we are scared that DPC will hurt our existing sales on Fotolia. So those who take the risk to join a new business model will get a reward for taking the risk.
And there also seems to be a change that will give a raise to those of us not opted in. Interesting.
Personally I would like to see an individual opt in on a per file basis. The content I have sent to Fotolia was sent for the Fotolia business model, i.e. mostly credit sales with a price range between 1-10 dollars with an appropriate percentage paid to me (at the moment still low, but hopefully rising one day). So when I send content to Fotolia I know I will be getting 40-50% cent subs, but the rest is credit sales with a decent return and sensible volume. They are the largest German agency, so this is an established market place I want to be present.
Will I offer content for 1 dollar? If I get an indiviudual opt in, I will try. I have a huge variety of content, files I think should be sold for 500 dollars, files I believe can be sold for 1 dollar (especially older files). But I would need to choose on an individual basis. I am sure dpc can also work with older content or low sellers.
Everyone has to make their own decisions, but now there is an opt in opt out option and those that are opted in get a risk bonus paid on Fotolia. And the rest of us seem to have gotten a raise as well. That is certainly a much better offer than 3 weeks ago.
Is it enough? That will be everyones personal decision. But overall working together the artists have achieved a change. So making our voices heard as a movement works.
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What worries me is that FT is going to push its existing customers to move to DPC, which will make any increase in Commissions at FT moot. How long before they tell their FT customers that their credits will apply to an account at DPC if they move over?
I don't trust FT - this is all smoke and mirrors we are getting screwed - bottom line.
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I dont care if they are desperate but the subs on FT just went up by 15% points for me, which can mean a 400% increase on a XL sub sale. Without opting in to DPC. I take that raise any day of the week.
The only way this will really work is if people continue to opt out of DPC. They'll still get a raise in commission, but their sales on FT won't be undercut by sales on DPC.
It's a choice between a slightly lower (but higher than it was) commission on subs sales vs. a slightly higher commission that will quickly disappear as DPC sales take over and Fotolia sales drop.
Thanks for explanation...!! 4,71 go to Fotolia and 0,29 for me... I prefer this abuse to get into DPC...i want an "Opt - out "option for these fake 25$ subscription pack!!... I realy LOVE now Fotolia!!
I think you are now mixing a few thing up.
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So it looks like the opt out is actually hurting the DPC - which seems to be pretty important to FT - not some separate entity after all eh? If they think that is where the action is to be, then throwing bones for sub packs or whatever looks like a relatively painless way to try to get good content back into the DPC. So, is it time for the contributors to thank the overlords for the bone or tighten the screws?
what percentage of sales are the ones that would rise if you opt in? It looks like potential fuzzy accounting from FT as usual.
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Well I am not opting back in, but I do take the raise on FT ;D
Feels like I am shafting an agency this time. LOL
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Just as a reminder, changing the royalties on monthly subscriptions redresses a massive cash crab that those entailed - see the examples of a regular subscription, monthly subscription and DPC in this thread (http://www.microstockgroup.com/fotolia-com/fotolia-launches-dollar-photo-club/msg361532/#msg361532), showing how much more of the amount the buyer paid Fotolia would collect from monthly & DPC than regular subscriptions.
Put another way, this huge increase is really just taking less out of your pocket than before - compared to a regular subscription.
To summarize the change in percentages (read the link above for details), for monthly subscriptions FT was paying out to contributors about 18% of what buyers paid them, compared to about 60% payout for a standard monthly subscription.
With these proposed changes, they're raising 18% to 20% or 25% (higher number if you agree to opt in to DPC where they pay out about 30% of the gross). All of which is still a big win for them, not for the contributor.
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Desperate, eh? :)
Probably. Something smells rotten in the state of Denmark (and, no, it's not Yuri).
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The minimum amount you will be paid for a subscription commission is the rate that it has been. If a member pays only $0.74 for an image you will still receive 0.33 credits if you are an Emerald contributor as it has always been. This will not go down. There is no downside to this..at all. The only changes made here are massive increases in monthly subscription commissions. If a members pay $5 you will earn 1.25 credits if you opt in to DPC or 1 credit if you are opted out DPC. Either way, it's a win for contributors.
This is good to know, thank you for clarifying this, Mat.
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Fotolia is going the other direction
What direction was that again?
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The interest of contributors and the agencies is aligned and our only goal is to grow the market and to grow commissions as a whole.
I would love to believe it, but coming from FT (nothing personal towards you, Mat) I can't. There is a too long history of screwing contributors.
Now if FT want to show us they have changed, then raise the entry price into DPC to at least $100 per month.
Then we're talking.
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A raise at FT is worthless when the staff at FT are currently in the lifeboats paddling over to DPC.
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What a stupid deal.
If i opted in my images can bought for one dollar.
Who buys than my images on other Agencies for higher prices?
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I haven't been following this DPC thing so dumb question - is this an opt in / opt out thing & how do we know if we have been automatically opted in?
Everyone's automatically opted in. You have to opt out, which only became an option after the peasants revolted (and a very hard to find option).
Cheers for that. You're not kidding on the hard to find bit, buggered if I can see it...
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Make sales on DPC count like credit sales (since that's what they really are) for the purposes of moving up a level instead of counting 1/4 like subs. It's not a subscription if there's no termination period.
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FT have watched 25% of the content of DPC disappear into the ether within two weeks. They are sh*tting themselves. Hold your nerve people. This offer of increased subs royalties at an agency that is being scuppered from within is worthless.
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I haven't been following this DPC thing so dumb question - is this an opt in / opt out thing & how do we know if we have been automatically opted in?
Everyone's automatically opted in. You have to opt out, which only became an option after the peasants revolted (and a very hard to find option).
Cheers for that. You're not kidding on the hard to find bit, buggered if I can see it...
Go to your Contributor page (http://us.fotolia.com/Contributor (http://us.fotolia.com/Contributor) is mine).
Under My Account, select My Profile (https://us.fotolia.com/Member/Modify (https://us.fotolia.com/Member/Modify)).
Select Contributor Parameters (https://us.fotolia.com/Member/Modify/Contributor (https://us.fotolia.com/Member/Modify/Contributor)).
Find Sell my files on DPC and click Modify.
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fotolia should stop selling monthly subscricption for five or 10 images. Sell credits, 10€ 10 credits. You are stealing us!
that is our demand!
i recommend only SS to my customers, friends, etc....
Shut down DPC and sell credits not 5 images pack. maybe next year i'll say fotolia exist yes.
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what kind of subscription sale is this?
earning: $ 0.203
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Until now all we receive is our regular subscription rate.
For example the smallest package sells at $25 for 5 XXL images, i.e. we used to receive $0,25 - $0,40 per sale depending on our rank.
That is 5% - 8%.
Thanks for pointing that out, I never realised how appalling low the commission could actually be.
If agencies squeezed their work colleagues in the same way they would eventually just leave, suppliers are no different to the employees they sit next to every day. Push too hard and they'll give up and move on to something less demoralising.
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Until now all we receive is our regular subscription rate.
For example the smallest package sells at $25 for 5 XXL images, i.e. we used to receive $0,25 - $0,40 per sale depending on our rank.
That is 5% - 8%.
Thanks for pointing that out, I never realised how appalling low the commission could actually be.
If agencies squeezed their work colleagues in the same way they would eventually just leave, suppliers are no different to the employees they sit next to every day. Push too hard and they'll give up and move on to something less demoralising.
I think agencies find it all too easy to forget the real people behind the images.
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This isn't about DPC and Fotolia, it's about how DPC affects the entire industry, let's keep our eye on that bigger picture. Why is FT making these changes all of a sudden? Why wouldn't they make a program that is lucrative, relatively speaking, up front? They are and always will be crooks and I am very close to just closing my FT account now, along with their evil twin, Deposit photos.
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Until now all we receive is our regular subscription rate.
For example the smallest package sells at $25 for 5 XXL images, i.e. we used to receive $0,25 - $0,40 per sale depending on our rank.
That is 5% - 8%.
Thanks for pointing that out, I never realised how appalling low the commission could actually be.
If agencies squeezed their work colleagues in the same way they would eventually just leave, suppliers are no different to the employees they sit next to every day. Push too hard and they'll give up and move on to something less demoralising.
I think agencies find it all too easy to forget the real people behind the images.
The appalling commission rate of 5 - 8% that Fotolia has been paying is indicative of the utter lack of respect it has for its contributors...and this type of corporate abuse has been going on for years. What a nerve they have now to try and bribe their way out of a situation that they have created themselves. If we stay the course, this will be the most important example of contributor power in microstock's short history...and a warning to other agencies that fair representation for contributors is a must.
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Until now all we receive is our regular subscription rate.
For example the smallest package sells at $25 for 5 XXL images, i.e. we used to receive $0,25 - $0,40 per sale depending on our rank.
That is 5% - 8%.
Thanks for pointing that out, I never realised how appalling low the commission could actually be.
If agencies squeezed their work colleagues in the same way they would eventually just leave, suppliers are no different to the employees they sit next to every day. Push too hard and they'll give up and move on to something less demoralising.
I think agencies find it all too easy to forget the real people behind the images.
The appalling commission rate of 5 - 8% that Fotolia has been paying is indicative of the utter lack of respect it has for its contributors...and this type of corporate abuse has been going on for years. What a nerve they have now to try and bribe their way out of a situation that they have created themselves. If we stay the course, this will be the most important example of contributor power in microstock's short history...and a warning to other agencies that fair representation for contributors is a must.
I sure hope you are right.
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FT have watched 25% of the content of DPC disappear into the ether within two weeks. They are sh*tting themselves. Hold your nerve people. This offer of increased subs royalties at an agency that is being scuppered from within is worthless.
That!
Very well said.
Don't get distracted by some desperate offer.
I will not opt back in for this for sure.
It's good to see that contributors could actually make an impact.
We should stay on course and inform even more people about it, and make DPC shrink even more.
At what conditions would i consider if it' worth joining?
Certainly the bar should be raised, at least to the $100 one as it was mentioned here many times. It should also expire. And i want to see that DPC really tries to get into new market for us, not just stealing market share from other agencies also selling our images. And there should be per file based opt in. Then, maybe i would consider opting in my lowest earners.
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I know we are all frustrated with DPC, but .. er.. isn't this good news?
Fotolia are making it more lucrative to be part of DPC. Isn't that what we want/wanted?
just asking..... (goes and hides behind the tomato shield)
I personally think it is highly counter productive to support the race to the bottom. Why support a company that will reduce the value of our assets substantially in one fell swoop.
We should be putting upward pricing pressure "on all of the sites"; instead of enabling them to push buyer pricing lower every day so that they can gain market share at a long term cost to contributors.
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And now, with the starting of this thread, we are officially told that sometimes we got only 5% commission on FT. Ha!
I hope it will be really eliminated form now, as that post says. That may help contributors to consider staying with Fotolia, but i don't think it will make them rejoin DPC :)
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It's kind of a brilliant move. Especially if the end-game is to transition more business over to DPC.
I think that the added bonus of higher Fotolia royalties will pretty much ensure that enough people stay opted-in, and DPC is likely here to stay as-is. I had hoped that the $10 minimum buy-in would be raised, but I'm also not too surprised that it's staying where it is.
There isn't much else to say really. I think we had an opportunity to send a stronger message with opt-outs before today. Now it's going to be much harder to do. There were plenty of hold-outs before, and now there's added incentive to stay opted-in. The uphill battle just turned pretty much vertical.
There has been some momentum in the other direction over the last couple of years. I still believe that companies who make artists a top priority will win out over the companies fighting to just be the cheapest in the business. That's where I'm focusing my efforts.
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I don't see that this news changes anything, at least in regards to DPC. DPC is still a lousy deal. And yes, you get a few percent extra on Fotolia sales if you're opted in to DPC, but that's balanced out by the likelihood that you won't see those sales. Why should anyone pay Fotolia's higher prices for content that's available on DPC?
I'll stay out of DPC, and I'll continue to remove my work from Fotolia a drop at a time. Thanks for the extra income, assuming I see any, but you're still untrustworthy in the extreme.
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Just to clear that up a bit:
If I understand that correctly, it is NOT about DPC directly.
Fotolia is raising the commission they pay on the monthly subscriptions.
Until now all we receive is our regular subscription rate.
For example the smallest package sells at $25 for 5 XXL images, i.e. we used to receive $0,25 - $0,40 per sale depending on our rank.
That is 5% - 8%.
Dirk
Now they raise that to a flat 20% (with a lower limit of the old rate).
That alone is a good move.
While I would like to receive the rate according to my rank (as these are not really subscriptions, but rather credit packages under a different name) it is still an improvement.
Now the connection to DPC: If you opt your portfolio in to DPC, that rate (for the monthly subscriptions) goes up from 20% to 25%.
I never knew about this one! How f****** greed they have been!?! *puke* There most some unbeliveable stupid people running this site!
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Normally I get 0.29 from a subscribtion sale, but in past days I've got some 0.32 and 0.38 subscribtion sales too. What that might be?
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I don't know if I have missed something, but could it be that the new rates do not regard the ranking? So white is getting the same as emerald?
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Desperate, eh? :)
Clearly, this shows that we are more and more stronger. But, they only try little movements, alone. They still do not listen!
When they start to listen to us and will make right movements together with us, I will opt-in.
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... ft should call off dpc - no so called improvements can improve something completely wrong like dpc ...
....then... they have to admit that they tried something deeply wrong - this way... they can show some real strength... for the first time...
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... ft should call off dpc - no so called improvements can improve something completely wrong like dpc ...
....then... they have to admit that they tried something deeply wrong - this way... they can show some real strength... for the first time...
Yes. The first step towards any improvement is to "admit that there is a problem". In this case DPC or the way it is currently structured is a problem. Admitting to it and doing something about it will certain help FT earn respect from me personally.
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I am silver on FT. until now I was paid 0.29/ sub. sale (EURO); now is 0.30. 0.3 euro cents *1.30 ( USD/EURO parity) = 0.39 USD; more that I am paid on SS ( 0.38 $/download)....
So in my case is not bad at all considering that FT is my second earner. :D
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"The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away"
What's the betting that if Fotolia manage to lure content back to DFC with this concession they won't find a way somewhere down the line to cut commissions back to 5% again?
I can't help wondering if they really were paying 5% minimum or if it was 4% or 3% in some cases after it had been run through the magical credit to cash-grab conversion formula which ensures that people paid on the dollar rate lose out heavily if a file is sold to someone in the EU or UK.
I wouldn't trust Fotolia as far as I could throw it after my experience there - which was why I quit them some years back.
Anyway, congratulations to all on extracting some concessions from them. But don't think it amounts to an overall victory, or that the improved terms are necessarily permanent.
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I can't help wondering if they really were paying 5% minimum or if it was 4% or 3% in some cases after it had been run through the magical credit to cash-grab conversion formula which ensures that people paid on the dollar rate lose out heavily if a file is sold to someone in the EU or UK.
You're so right there.
My example of 5% was calculated based on two major assumptions:
- Customers buys in US$ and contributor gets paid in US$
- Customer uses all images in the pack
So the worst case is:
A customer buys a "monthly subscription" for €25.
He only downloads one XXL image.
US contributor (white) receives $0,25.
Customer does not renew the subscription into the next month, the remaining downloads expire.
Result: $0,25 / €25*1,38$/€ = 0,72%.
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Hi Everyone,
I’ve got exciting news to share with you! Fotolia has changed the commission structure for monthly subscription downloads for all contributors.
The changes have taken effect as of today so you may have noticed some differences already. From now on, all contributors that are opted in to Dollar Photo Club will receive 25% of the price paid for a subscription download. For example, a $25 monthly subscription provides 5 XXL images resulting in a $5 price per image. Your commission on that sale will now be $1.25 instead of the flat rate it has been. In some cases this change can result in more than a 500% increase in commissions.
As subscription quantities increase, the cost per photo goes down. The good news is that your commission will never go under what it is now . In other words, the minimum commission you will receive is the same commission as it has always been. This change can only affect you positively.
The 25% rate is for those opted IN to DPC. If you choose to opt out of DPC, Fotolia will still pay a 20% commission for subscription sales at Fotolia which in some case is a 400% increase for existing sub commissions.
Some more news will come soon regarding the Extended license at Dollar Photo Club.
Cheers!
Mat
So that explains the $0.98 I got for a subscription sale (XL) instead of the usual $0.27.
The problem is that DPC's 10 images for $10 will still net me a lot less than an On Demand Download from other well know sites.
I was talking to a client last night. They wanted 10 interior shots we compared prices on DPC vs other sites.
The question was raised how much does the photographer get?
When it was calculated they said "that's terrible"
The discussion went on about "Fair Trade".
The client decided to go with the higher cost option because:
1. They felt it fairer that the photographer/artist got at least a few bucks for a download as opposed to pennies.
2. The selection of images was much better elsewhere (i.e. not DPC).
3. The cost was only in terms of $10 (DPC) or $50 (elsewhere) so did not really make them worry.
I'd rather a couple of bucks for a download rather than the paltry cent rates from DPC.
This offer still does not resolve the problem that DPC is a cancer in the microstock industry and like all cancers destroys the host and eventually itself.
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Subscriptions rates will not change, it only applies to Fotolia 'monthly packs' below 100 images. The others have a cost per image that makes the 25% rule fall below cost per image.
I just remembered one of the "reasons" they launced Photos.com was to simplify pricing, and now I understand they were talking about themselves and their mess.
Fotolia has 8 different 'monthly packs' prices and 28 different subscription plans.
Shutterstock has 4 subscription plans.
Dreamstime has 10 subscription plans.
123RF has 8 subscription plans.
It's obvious Fotolia feels threatened by Depositphotos judging by their past comments on agencies with lower prices and by the fact that Depositphotos has an even bigger pricing mess with 48 'monthly packs' and 32 subscription plans.
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Wow! Great news, Mat! So nice that Fotolia cares about its contributors and increases the commission on "pseudo-subscriptions" from 6-7% to 20%.
But... Oh, wait, holy s**t, are you kidding us? Who needs 5 XXL images for 25$ when you promote your DPC where a user can get 25 XXL for 25 bucks?
Look the truth in the eye - Fotolia came to a death agony, more than 6,500,000 images opted-out of DPC and the number keeps growing. Do you really think that you can return that many images back to DPC with the help of this news?
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DPC MUST BE BURIED.... and Fotolia should follow suite
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Just tried to embed some MacGyver here to give us the motivation punch to fight against this *insult removed*! Couldn't do it :'(
Wow! Great news, Mat! So nice that Fotolia cares about its contributors and increases the commission on "pseudo-subscriptions" from 6-7% to 20%.
But... Oh, wait, holy s**t, are you kidding us? Who needs 5 XXL images for 25$ when you promote your DPC where a user can get 25 XXL for 25 bucks?
Look the truth in the eye - Fotolia came to a death agony, more than 6,500,000 images opted-out of DPC and the number keeps growing. Do you really think that you can return that many images back to DPC with the help of this news?
lol. That's so true. Maybe they think we are stupid? :o
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Look the truth in the eye - Fotolia came to a death agony, more than 6,500,000 images opted-out of DPC and the number keeps growing. Do you really think that you can return that many images back to DPC with the help of this news?
In a few months 6 million new files will be back there,unless everyone opts out, which will never happen. The important thing is that the artists are informed that their images have been moved to dpc and that they have an opt out option if they don´t want to be there.
There are agencies out there that are even cheaper than dpc and there is the creative common license. Even agencies that offer only free legal files, I think panthermedia has one.
The difference is CHOICE.
As artists we produce files for many price points,files for 500 dollars and files for 1 dollar. At least I do. Not every snapshot I take is high quality. But I need to be in control what goes where. istock used to have the dollarbin where we can move our old files too. Some agencies offer a free section where you can donate files in the hope it will drive traffic to your portfolio. But it is the artist who makes the decision (or should be, istock later removed our option...)
For me I would need an individual opt in and if I wanted to try DPC it would be with old files or files that have never sold anywhere. I wouldn´t mind selling those for a dollar before they die on my hard drive. So if Fotolia had invited me into the DPC, offered me an individual opt in, a bonus for those who opt in everything...that would have been the right way, the professional way to do it.
But they didn´t so now they have to live with the shitstorm they created.
I believe that first of all artist need to know that their files have been moved to a new portal without asking them. I hope that the threads on the various forums have reached as many people in the community as possible.
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Look the truth in the eye - Fotolia came to a death agony, more than 6,500,000 images opted-out of DPC and the number keeps growing. Do you really think that you can return that many images back to DPC with the help of this news?
"In a few months 6 million new files will be back there, unless everyone opts out, which will never happen."
I'm not entirely sure that's going to be the case. The 25% of images removed already have, I strongly suspect, been removed by current contributors who see the need to preserve the industry moving forward. If it *is* active contributors that have opted out then DPC will be starved of new material. I think that's why FT are sh*tting themselves and are offering smoke and mirror inducements to get folks to opt back in.
I say again, hold your nerve folks. Fotolia are back-peddling. They are worried. I suspect a better offer from them isn't far away if we all remain opted out and persuade others to do the same.
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I know we are all frustrated with DPC, but .. er.. isn't this good news?
Fotolia are making it more lucrative to be part of DPC. Isn't that what we want/wanted?
just asking..... (goes and hides behind the tomato shield)
No. What I want is strong market players who are willing to raise prices for buyers to decent levels. Not players who are desperate enough to make "subscription" offers which in fact just target regular "Image Pack" buyers from other agencies at a fraction of the cost.
If an agency only sees a price war as a way to win new customers, it means that agency is lacking any other unique selling proposition. It should work on their offer and technology first. That's what I want and that's what I completely miss at Fotolia these days.
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Better but it's still bad because when someone buys on demand they will never buy as much as if they had a 25-day subscription. Even if there was a 99 dollar entry it would still not be enough. When you need to pay separately each photo, psychologically the buyer thinks twice because he'll try to save money. In normal subscription packages the option simply isn't there. Not to mention that OD sales that actually pay something elsewhere will vanish in the long term.
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I am fairly new at this, but is it the first time I have seen enough shooters band together to produce results, instead of just bickering about it. I find this very encouraging. It is nice to see Fotolia raise some rates, but it's still unclear to me why customers would not migrate to the dollar club, or some derivative incarnation of it, which is a much better value for them. (Yes, I opted out of the dollar club). I can see there would be some short-term gain for us with the raise, but longer term it is a killer. This is strictly business to me, I have no axe to grind, and I see it as a better business decision to stay opted out. Then again, I don't earn much on Fotolia so it's not that difficult a decision for me.
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...it's still unclear to me why customers would not migrate to the dollar club, or some derivative incarnation of it, which is a much better value for them...
The only reason they wouldn't go to DPC or some similar product is if the selection of images is too poor, in terns of both quality and quantity. So far, I'm not seeing enough of a reduction in either to make me think that most customers will even notice.
Some customers have expressed frustration over picking out an image but then returning later to find that the image is no longer available. But that's just an effect of the mass opt-outs happening over the last couple of weeks. That won't be a common scenario once the dust settles and opt-outs slow to a trickle.
Also, once opt-outs do slow enough, uploads to Fotolia that are to be included in DPC will out-pace opt-outs and DPC will begin to grow.
Even if by some miracle half of the images at FT were opted out of DPC, that still leaves 14 million images at DPC, more than enough to run a stock business and have enough of a selection to keep customers happy.
So I see no reason why more and more customers won't go over to DPC. And I see a lot of reason to believe that many existing customers at other agencies will try out DPC. Fotolia is targeting existing stock image buyers, afterall. They've got a full-page ad in this month's HOW Magazine, a publication for art directors and graphic designers. The HOW Design Live Conference is going on right now and Fotolia is there, surely promoting DPC. They're promoting it in GDUSA, also another design magazine. Those are the ones I know about, who knows how many other promos they're running aimed at the design community.
So it's going to happen, buyers will move some (or all) of their business over to DPC. It probably already is happening. All that's left to figure out is how much this will impact us and the other companies. And that will take time. Maybe as long as a year before we see any quantifiable impact.
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I Joined Fotolia 1 month ago.
I was only with Shutterstock since July 2013. I work hard and I am already on the 0.36 club. I think I will be in the .38 club by July 2014.
I heard it would be good to be on more than one site, so I decided to try Dreamtime and Fotolia.
I actually liked Fotolia, they were really fast reviewing my illustrations, they accepted 99 % of my stuff.
I opt out from DPC. I didn't liked at all this story. I earn a lot with my On Demands on Shutterstock and don't want to compete with myself and put our future earnings in serious risk.
I was looking at my earnings during this month and realized it is not worth the effort to submit to Fotolia or Dreamtime in my case. The time I spent submitting there (17 days, their submit process is really a pain), if I was making new work for Shutterstock alone, I would be earning more with those images than I earn in Fotolia/Dreamstime together.
Well, and then I just read the '5% - 8%' commission thing and the 'oh-now-we-offer-you-a-fantastic-raise-to-20%/25%'
They are so generous with the people who create the images. I wonder what would those company be without our images.
I think they are PARASITES.
How in earth they still have people willing to opt in on DPC is beyond my reasoning.
Sometimes I read that it is impossible to earn a good amount starting now in the microstock industry. They say it is too late. Well, I know it is not true. And I think that if we all opt out from DPC, the future is still good. Don't be fooled by the apocalypse theory, don't let them be successful on making this business a short term thing. Don't prostitute yourself for 5%.
I will leave for now my images on Fotolia, and will not submit one more image. I will center all my work in Shutterstock. Maybe wil try Symbiostock and Stocksy in the future.
I am tired of dishonest people...
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today all my sales were between 0.23 and 0.27, fotolia is lying.
we should get 0.5€ for every M subsricption image and 1€ for L !
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I was only with Shutterstock since July 2013. I work hard and I am already on the 0.33 club. I think I will be in the .38 club by July 2014.
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Sometimes I read that it is impossible to earn a good amount starting now in the microstock industry. They say it is too late. Well, I know it is not true. And I think that if we all opt out from DPC, the future is still good. Don't be fooled by the apocalypse theory, don't let them be successful on making this business a short term thing. Don't prostitute yourself for 5%.
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Very nice to hear what you have said above !
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I was only with Shutterstock since July 2013. I work hard and I am already on the 0.33 club. I think I will be in the .38 club by July 2014.
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Sometimes I read that it is impossible to earn a good amount starting now in the microstock industry. They say it is too late. Well, I know it is not true. And I think that if we all opt out from DPC, the future is still good. Don't be fooled by the apocalypse theory, don't let them be successful on making this business a short term thing. Don't prostitute yourself for 5%.
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Very nice to hear what you have said above !
:) I am at the .36 club, I edited my post. I wrote it bad.
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I was only with Shutterstock since July 2013. I work hard and I am already on the 0.33 club. I think I will be in the .38 club by July 2014.
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Sometimes I read that it is impossible to earn a good amount starting now in the microstock industry. They say it is too late. Well, I know it is not true. And I think that if we all opt out from DPC, the future is still good. Don't be fooled by the apocalypse theory, don't let them be successful on making this business a short term thing. Don't prostitute yourself for 5%.
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Very nice to hear what you have said above !
:) I am at the .36 club, I edited my post. I wrote it bad.
I can only admire your hardwork and your results :)
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10k in your first year at SS? You have a port to start with which makes $850 on average from the start?
Sorry off topic. I am just skeptical about such claims.
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...it's still unclear to me why customers would not migrate to the dollar club, or some derivative incarnation of it, which is a much better value for them...
The only reason they wouldn't go to DPC or some similar product is if the selection of images is too poor, in terns of both quality and quantity. So far, I'm not seeing enough of a reduction in either to make me think that most customers will even notice.
Some customers have expressed frustration over picking out an image but then returning later to find that the image is no longer available. But that's just an effect of the mass opt-outs happening over the last couple of weeks. That won't be a common scenario once the dust settles and opt-outs slow to a trickle.
Also, once opt-outs do slow enough, uploads to Fotolia that are to be included in DPC will out-pace opt-outs and DPC will begin to grow.
Even if by some miracle half of the images at FT were opted out of DPC, that still leaves 14 million images at DPC, more than enough to run a stock business and have enough of a selection to keep customers happy.
So I see no reason why more and more customers won't go over to DPC. And I see a lot of reason to believe that many existing customers at other agencies will try out DPC. Fotolia is targeting existing stock image buyers, afterall. They've got a full-page ad in this month's HOW Magazine, a publication for art directors and graphic designers. The HOW Design Live Conference is going on right now and Fotolia is there, surely promoting DPC. They're promoting it in GDUSA, also another design magazine. Those are the ones I know about, who knows how many other promos they're running aimed at the design community.
So it's going to happen, buyers will move some (or all) of their business over to DPC. It probably already is happening. All that's left to figure out is how much this will impact us and the other companies. And that will take time. Maybe as long as a year before we see any quantifiable impact.
Not all images are created equal. Most of the people opting out are the most active and best contributors. Only about 1 in 10 shots in a stock agency really ever sell, you have millions of sub par images, millions of low resolution images shot in 2005, you have people who have never logged in for years. The 6.5 million images taken off of DPC is possibly over 50% of actual good content. That is a huge impact.
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10k in your first year at SS? You have a port to start with which makes $850 on average from the start?
Sorry off topic. I am just skeptical about such claims.
First month (July 2013) I made $30, in April (last month) I made $1400.
And don't ask to see my portfolio. The reality is I am not here to prove anything and I am not here looking for copy-cats.
What I can tell is I mainly make 3d render and vectors. I try to make the best quality I can. I think it is the best way to compete. And I believe I can improve even more...
I can only admire your hardwork and your results :)
Thank you :)
The combined increase in commissions and in additional sales from the added source of DPC if you make the choice to opt in I predict will blow your mind.
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Fotolia is going the other direction
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That was a very good laugh, thank you. ;D
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Well, thats quite an achievement then. I am glad you are not a photographer, otherwise my self confidence would have hit an all time low ;)
PS: How many vectors are in your port if you dont mind me asking?
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Well, thats quite an achievement then. I am glad you are not a photographer, otherwise my self confidence would have hit an all time low ;)
PS: How many vectors are in your port if you dont mind me asking?
I have a total of 2400 images (400 are vectors) - approximately.
I work 12-14 hours per day, monday to sunday.
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Get real, a "HUGE" increase of a tiny amount is still a tiny amount.
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Well, thats quite an achievement then. I am glad you are not a photographer, otherwise my self confidence would have hit an all time low ;)
PS: How many vectors are in your port if you dont mind me asking?
I have a total of 2400 images (400 are vectors) - approximately.
I work 12-14 hours per day, monday to sunday.
Living the dream :)
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Well, thats quite an achievement then. I am glad you are not a photographer, otherwise my self confidence would have hit an all time low ;)
PS: How many vectors are in your port if you dont mind me asking?
I have a total of 2400 images (400 are vectors) - approximately.
I work 12-14 hours per day, monday to sunday.
Well, kudos to you then. Thats quite an effort.
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I haven't been following this DPC thing so dumb question - is this an opt in / opt out thing & how do we know if we have been automatically opted in?
Everyone's automatically opted in. You have to opt out, which only became an option after the peasants revolted (and a very hard to find option).
Cheers for that. You're not kidding on the hard to find bit, buggered if I can see it...
Go to your Contributor page ([url]http://us.fotolia.com/Contributor[/url] ([url]http://us.fotolia.com/Contributor[/url]) is mine).
Under My Account, select My Profile ([url]https://us.fotolia.com/Member/Modify[/url] ([url]https://us.fotolia.com/Member/Modify[/url])).
Select Contributor Parameters ([url]https://us.fotolia.com/Member/Modify/Contributor[/url] ([url]https://us.fotolia.com/Member/Modify/Contributor[/url])).
Find Sell my files on DPC and click Modify.
Thanks man, would NEVER have seen that (the link just looks like an option to add a phone number)
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I Joined Fotolia 1 month ago.
I was only with Shutterstock since July 2013. I work hard and I am already on the 0.36 club. I think I will be in the .38 club by July 2014.
I heard it would be good to be on more than one site, so I decided to try Dreamtime and Fotolia.
I actually liked Fotolia, they were really fast reviewing my illustrations, they accepted 99 % of my stuff.
I opt out from DPC. I didn't liked at all this story. I earn a lot with my On Demands on Shutterstock and don't want to compete with myself and put our future earnings in serious risk.
Well, and then I just read the '5% - 8%' commission thing and the 'oh-now-we-offer-you-a-fantastic-raise-to-20%/25%'
They are so generous with the people who create the images. I wonder what would those company be without our images.
I think they are PARASITES.
How in earth they still have people willing to opt in on DPC is beyond my reasoning.
Sometimes I read that it is impossible to earn a good amount starting now in the microstock industry. They say it is too late. Well, I know it is not true. And I think that if we all opt out from DPC, the future is still good. Don't be fooled by the apocalypse theory, don't let them be successful on making this business a short term thing. Don't prostitute yourself for 5%.
I will leave for now my images on Fotolia, and will not submit one more image. I will center all my work in Shutterstock. Maybe wil try Symbiostock and Stocksy in the future.
I am tired of dishonest people...
Exactly my reasoning for opting out of DPC...potential loss of ODD sales at SS.
It was only recently that I realised that FT was offering 'credit packages' dubbed as 'subscription packages' ($25 for 5XXL). I'm sure that these too will be taking some sales away from the genuine credit packages at SS....and how generous of FT to now pay 20% to DPC optoutees on these packages instead of the usual subs rate. I was wondering where my increased ratio of subs sales payments (0.29 credits) was coming from. It was coming from those $5 XXL downloads for which I got 29 cents
Trouble with FT has always been lack of communication on changes that adversely affect contributors and excessive cheerleading for any changes supposedly beneficial to contributors. They (FT) always have the advantage unless you visit the site every day to discover what new and wondrous packages they've invented for the customer. Then you have to try to work out how that latest deal for the customer is going to screw you.
So, whilst I'll leave what I have at FT for the time being and wait to see how things develop, I'll stop uploading and issue a warning to myself...they're just one further misstep away from me deleting everything there.
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If FT isn't on super double secret probation by now, they should be.
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Look the truth in the eye - Fotolia came to a death agony, more than 6,500,000 images opted-out of DPC and the number keeps growing. Do you really think that you can return that many images back to DPC with the help of this news?
The difference is CHOICE.
So if Fotolia had invited me into the DPC, offered me an individual opt in, a bonus for those who opt in everything...that would have been the right way, the professional way to do it.
I like what Jasmin had to say here, that if we could perhaps offer our $1 files into DPC we might participate, something like the dollar bin iS used to have, but a shot that took me ages to get, and ages to edit, is worth more than this!
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today all my sales were between 0.23 and 0.27, fotolia is lying.
we should get 0.5€ for every M subsricption image and 1€ for L !
yeah, same stuff here, they need to update that and the pricing page as well (http://us.fotolia.com/Info/Contributors/ImagesPricing (http://us.fotolia.com/Info/Contributors/ImagesPricing))
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I had a couple of subs for 40 cents.
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I had a couple of subs for 40 cents.
maybe I am having buyers that get all their plans but even if so it looks like a lot of bad luck, not one different from 29 cents
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Every sub 29 Cents here too. Not seeing anything of the "huge increase in subscription commissions". Nothing. Ziltch...
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My normal commission is 0.29, now there is some 0.38, 0.48, 0.32 and 0.40.
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Dear Contributor,
We have some great news - our subscription payouts have all increased, starting from today!
Depending on whether your images are opt-in or opt-out with DPC, your new subscription payout will grow to either 20% or 25% of the face value of the download - with a guaranteed minimum of the commission you earn now.
So you can potentially earn five times more per subscription download (if you opt-in with DPC).
We notice you have opted out from DPC - to fully benefit from commission increases with Fotolia, and additional revenue from untapped markets, we recommend you opt-in to our new fast-growing subscription website, Dollar Photo Club.
If you want to add your images back to Dollar Photo Club click here if not, then you need to do nothing.
We hope these changes will bring you significant additional revenues, starting now.
Thank you
The Fotolia Team
http://us.fotolia.com/Newsletter/InBrowser/2/182/42?utm_medium=email&utm_source=contributors&tmad=c&tmcampid=16&tmplaceref=contributors (http://us.fotolia.com/Newsletter/InBrowser/2/182/42?utm_medium=email&utm_source=contributors&tmad=c&tmcampid=16&tmplaceref=contributors)
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Dear Contributor,
We have some great news - our subscription payouts have all increased, starting from today!
Depending on whether your images are opt-in or opt-out with DPC, your new subscription payout will grow to either 20% or 25% of the face value of the download - with a guaranteed minimum of the commission you earn now.
So you can potentially earn five times more per subscription download (if you opt-in with DPC).
We notice you have opted out from DPC - to fully benefit from commission increases with Fotolia, and additional revenue from untapped markets, we recommend you opt-in to our new fast-growing subscription website, Dollar Photo Club.
If you want to add your images back to Dollar Photo Club click here if not, then you need to do nothing.
We hope these changes will bring you significant additional revenues, starting now.
Thank you
The Fotolia Team
[url]http://us.fotolia.com/Newsletter/InBrowser/2/182/42?utm_medium=email&utm_source=contributors&tmad=c&tmcampid=16&tmplaceref=contributors[/url] ([url]http://us.fotolia.com/Newsletter/InBrowser/2/182/42?utm_medium=email&utm_source=contributors&tmad=c&tmcampid=16&tmplaceref=contributors[/url])
I will opt back in if they change the terms to 50 cents per $1 image, change their terms to "in perpetuity" unless we choose to raise your commissions. And we all know the answer to that.
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Dear Contributor,
We have some great news - our subscription payouts have all increased, starting from today!
Depending on whether your images are opt-in or opt-out with DPC, your new subscription payout will grow to either 20% or 25% of the face value of the download - with a guaranteed minimum of the commission you earn now.
So you can potentially earn five times more per subscription download (if you opt-in with DPC).
We notice you have opted out from DPC - to fully benefit from commission increases with Fotolia, and additional revenue from untapped markets, we recommend you opt-in to our new fast-growing subscription website, Dollar Photo Club.
If you want to add your images back to Dollar Photo Club click here if not, then you need to do nothing.
We hope these changes will bring you significant additional revenues, starting now.
Thank you
The Fotolia Team
[url]http://us.fotolia.com/Newsletter/InBrowser/2/182/42?utm_medium=email&utm_source=contributors&tmad=c&tmcampid=16&tmplaceref=contributors[/url] ([url]http://us.fotolia.com/Newsletter/InBrowser/2/182/42?utm_medium=email&utm_source=contributors&tmad=c&tmcampid=16&tmplaceref=contributors[/url])
I will opt back in if they change the terms to 50 cents per $1 image, change their terms to "in perpetuity" unless we choose to raise your commissions. And we all know the answer to that.
at this moment the question is: do we really want to drive buyers to DPC?
I would say no, we have tons of fair agencies (ok with zero sales) and 50 cents doesn't look exciting once that is all we will get, there are no ODs, ELs and SODs
they need to push the 10$ plan to 250$ and introduce the other plans as well and perhaps get ride of fotolia
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99% of my subs are at .29 cents, maybe fotolia was so eager to give us this "raise" because they knew it would hardly affect anything.
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They are one of the lowest payers and that's why I left them and that dollar bin club thing is almost the finish line to the race to the bottom.
This latest thing intensifies that race to the bottom.... Don't chase the rabbit ;)
My Very Best :)
KimsCreativeHub.com
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Dear Contributor,
We have some great news - our subscription payouts have all increased, starting from today!
Depending on whether your images are opt-in or opt-out with DPC, your new subscription payout will grow to either 20% or 25% of the face value of the download - with a guaranteed minimum of the commission you earn now.
So you can potentially earn five times more per subscription download (if you opt-in with DPC).
We notice you have opted out from DPC - to fully benefit from commission increases with Fotolia, and additional revenue from untapped markets, we recommend you opt-in to our new fast-growing subscription website, Dollar Photo Club.
If you want to add your images back to Dollar Photo Club click here if not, then you need to do nothing.
We hope these changes will bring you significant additional revenues, starting now.
Thank you
The Fotolia Team
[url]http://us.fotolia.com/Newsletter/InBrowser/2/182/42?utm_medium=email&utm_source=contributors&tmad=c&tmcampid=16&tmplaceref=contributors[/url] ([url]http://us.fotolia.com/Newsletter/InBrowser/2/182/42?utm_medium=email&utm_source=contributors&tmad=c&tmcampid=16&tmplaceref=contributors[/url])
I will opt back in if they change the terms to 50 cents per $1 image, change their terms to "in perpetuity" unless we choose to raise your commissions. And we all know the answer to that.
at this moment the question is: do we really want to drive buyers to DPC?
I would say no, we have tons of fair agencies (ok with zero sales) and 50 cents doesn't look exciting once that is all we will get, there are no ODs, ELs and SODs
they need to push the 10$ plan to 250$ and introduce the other plans as well and perhaps get ride of fotolia
FYI, I was being sarcastic. I will never support DPC because of WHO RUNS Fotolia.
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I don't get it, I still get 0.29 per subscription download (XL size).
I'm opted out of DPC.
Did I misunderstand something?
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I got 0,25 for a XXL image yesterday. I opted out of the DPC today.
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I don't get it, I still get 0.29 per subscription download (XL size).
I'm opted out of DPC.
Did I misunderstand something?
Most subscription sales are still 0.29, but there are a few bigger ones. I've got some .36, .38, .40, ... but most of them are 0.29 (normal commission at silver)
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My land lord just stopped by to collect the rent- I told them not to worry since I will be making more money now with Fotolia! Sort of like telling them that the check is in the mail 8)
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I recieved the email from Fotolia today. Still not interested in "opt in". In fact, if i could, i would double check "opt out" today!
The basis concept of DPC is wrong, its not good business for any of us whom takes microstock seriously and aspire to it be a durable and sustainable business. We are not going to shoot in our own foot.
(once again, sorry for my bad english)
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How does one opt-out of the DPC (Dollar Photo Club)? I looked on my Fotolia account and was unable to find anything. Sorry if this was already mentioned elsewhere. I just missed it. :-*
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Go to your Contributor page
Under My Account, select My Profile
Select Contributor Parameters
Find Sell my files on DPC and click Modify.
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Go to your Contributor page
Under My Account, select My Profile (https://us.fotolia.com/Member/Modify).
Select Contributor Parameters (https://us.fotolia.com/Member/Modify/Contributor).
Find Sell my files on DPC and click Modify.
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Thanks PhotoBomb ;D
Go to your Contributor page
Under My Account, select My Profile
Select Contributor Parameters
Find Sell my files on DPC and click Modify.
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Thanks Shelma 8)
Go to your Contributor page
Under My Account, select My Profile (https://us.fotolia.com/Member/Modify).
Select Contributor Parameters (https://us.fotolia.com/Member/Modify/Contributor).
Find Sell my files on DPC and click Modify.
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I just opted out of that thing. God knows I need money more than ever now. However, it sounds like the consequences are bad for all of us in the long-term. I want to keep doing microstock work for the long-term—and not hurt myself or others in the future for short-term gain.
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I just opted out of that thing. God knows I need money more than ever now. However, it sounds like the consequences are bad for all of us in the long-term. I want to keep doing microstock work for the long-term—and not hurt myself or others in the future for short-term gain.
Thats the point
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It's been a long time since anyone discussed Photoxpress.com, which is also a Fotolia cheap subscription site: http://www.photoxpress.com/Info/Upgrade/px_monthly_25 (http://www.photoxpress.com/Info/Upgrade/px_monthly_25)
It does seem like DPC is a cheaper version, esp. at lower quantities.
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When did the DPC officially go online?
Looking at my stats from January 1, 2014 through today, I see my sales have doubled at FT starting in mid-March. However, that was when I went full-time with microstock illustration and have quadrupled my submissions. So I'm hoping my increase is from my hard work and not the DPC :-[
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I just opted out of that thing. God knows I need money more than ever now. However, it sounds like the consequences are bad for all of us in the long-term. I want to keep doing microstock work for the long-term—and not hurt myself or others in the future for short-term gain.
Thanks for keeping the momentum going !
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When did the DPC officially go online?
Looking at my stats from January 1, 2014 through today, I see my sales have doubled at FT starting in mid-March. However, that was when I went full-time with microstock illustration and have quadrupled my submissions. So I'm hoping my increase is from my hard work and not the DPC :-[
I've seen no noticeable decrease in sales more than 2 week after opting out
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I just opted out of that thing. God knows I need money more than ever now. However, it sounds like the consequences are bad for all of us in the long-term. I want to keep doing microstock work for the long-term—and not hurt myself or others in the future for short-term gain.
Thanks for keeping the momentum going !
Thanks for educating us on this important issue. We need to send a signal to the industry.
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When did the DPC officially go online?
Looking at my stats from January 1, 2014 through today, I see my sales have doubled at FT starting in mid-March. However, that was when I went full-time with microstock illustration and have quadrupled my submissions. So I'm hoping my increase is from my hard work and not the DPC :-[
I've seen no noticeable decrease in sales more than 2 week after opting out
It looks like they launched in January: http://techcrunch.com/2014/01/15/fotolia-launches-dollar-photo-club-an-exclusive-club-for-heavy-stock-photo-clients/ (http://techcrunch.com/2014/01/15/fotolia-launches-dollar-photo-club-an-exclusive-club-for-heavy-stock-photo-clients/)
and...
http://www.microstockgroup.com/fotolia-com/fotolia-launches-dollar-photo-club/ (http://www.microstockgroup.com/fotolia-com/fotolia-launches-dollar-photo-club/)
Yeah, it looks like DPC may have some effect on the increase. However, I am inclined to believe that my increased submission rate is the cause. I'm averaging 10 new illustrations uploaded 5 days a week as opposed to 1 or 2 a day before mid-March (tried to make an attachment with chart, not sure if worked).
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so far $.78 more this month due to the so-called raise! I cannot even get a single cup of black coffee (small size) with that raise! :-\
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Senior Citizen small black coffee is 75 cents at McDonald's in my neck of the woods.
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i dont see any increase in commissions. Anyone saw except file sold user, who is probably generated by fotolia?
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I think I am seeing some increase, but I've never understood the royalty payment system, so I have no idea if I am. If I understood their announcement correctly, there was an increase even for those who opted out of the dollar club. Is this correct?
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If I understood their announcement correctly, there was an increase even for those who opted out of the dollar club. Is this correct?
Yes. But the increase is only for sales in their monthly subscription packages, not for regular subs. Until now there was no way to know where a subscription sale came from. Now, if a subs royalty is different then your usual one, you know it is via a monthly pack.
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If I understood their announcement correctly, there was an increase even for those who opted out of the dollar club. Is this correct?
Yes. But the increase is only for sales in their monthly subscription packages, not for regular subs. Until now there was no way to know where a subscription sale came from. Now, if a subs royalty is different then your usual one, you know it is via a monthly pack.
I guess that's because almost nobody buys monthly packages. So smooth & tactical ;)
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If I understood their announcement correctly, there was an increase even for those who opted out of the dollar club. Is this correct?
Yes. But the increase is only for sales in their monthly subscription packages, not for regular subs. Until now there was no way to know where a subscription sale came from. Now, if a subs royalty is different then your usual one, you know it is via a monthly pack.
Wow. What a convoluted mess. One big problem is they have a very confusing pricing model for contributors to understand.
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If I understood their announcement correctly, there was an increase even for those who opted out of the dollar club. Is this correct?
Yes. But the increase is only for sales in their monthly subscription packages, not for regular subs. Until now there was no way to know where a subscription sale came from. Now, if a subs royalty is different then your usual one, you know it is via a monthly pack.
Thanks. I (sort of) understand now. They (and several other stock agencies) have financials as convoluted as cable companies.
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I remember the good ol days when the math was simple now it's so confusing we get payed the wrong amounts ;)
My Very Best :)
KimsCreativeHub.com
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i dont see any increase in commissions. Anyone saw except file sold user, who is probably generated by fotolia?
I have opted out 600+ images from DPC. Then I must be heck of a good fotolia-spy :D
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I mustn't have read correctly, i thought we only got the increase if were opted in to DPC
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Just got an 0.80 sub for an XL
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Senior Citizen small black coffee is 75 cents at McDonald's in my neck of the woods.
With or without sugar?
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Still not one extra penny from FT subscriptions here. Every single one is 29 cents.
Matt, where is my "Huge Increase".....?
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Just got an 0.80 sub for an XL
that is ft s idea - kill credit sales with a little bit lager commisions at subs
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Just got an 0.80 sub for an XL
that is ft s idea - kill credit sales with a little bit lager commisions at subs
....and they only consented to the concession of increased subs in the face of mass revolt and 25% of their images disappearing in two weeks.
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I opted out following the advice from the clever people here.
Despite I have had no problems with fotolia before, I do need to protect my sales elsewhere.
That make me think, that now, we contributers and our reaction is a competitive parameter.
That is good, we should be!
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a couple of 0.60 and 0.68 € and a lot of 0.29 €
waiting for this 'huge increase in submission commissions!'
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The commissions are less an issue with me.
An increase in sales is what I realy need first of all.
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Had one sale for .77 Credits well ".777778333333" to be Precise :o
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Waiting for my huge increase reminds me of waiting for the 'Great Pumpkin' on the Charlie Brown series!
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Or waiting for Godot.
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If I understood their announcement correctly, there was an increase even for those who opted out of the dollar club. Is this correct?
Yes. But the increase is only for sales in their monthly subscription packages, not for regular subs. Until now there was no way to know where a subscription sale came from. Now, if a subs royalty is different then your usual one, you know it is via a monthly pack.
Wow. What a convoluted mess. One big problem is they have a very confusing pricing model for contributors to understand.
It is a complete mess, but not only that. If you look at image packs closely, the packs of 5, 10 and 25 images are very similar to on demand packs on shutterstock but 'image packs' are named 'monthly subscriptions' and paid subscriptions royalties amounts (until now). And those 'image packs' that sell for the price of 'on demand' but pay sub royalties also exists on depositphotos (and maybe on other sites), those agencies want to convert everything into subscriptions. I mean, I see no difference between a 5 image on demand pack and a 5 image/month plan that lasts a single month (yes, they have 1 month subscriptions).
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This is called SCAM or FRAUD , in spanish ESTAFA
More than 23 dollars to fotolia...
Less than 2 for contribuitor...
Huge increse...? or end of the SCAM?
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I really wondered, when will Fotolia next lower my commission, or do a subscription where I get less (as they did the last years regularly). And there it is. And they didn't even told me a word.
Thanks to some blogs I found out...and finally there is a way out of this what I did just this night. Complete joke, a way to sell a picture for 1 Dollar...and they call it subscription (which it really isn't).
But - Fotolia will find a new way to lower our share...sooner or later. I lost my trust in this agency long time ago. After the third lowering of the commissions and changes of the terms against us. I f you tell them, what you think, they ban you from the forum, they don't answer messages properly (only standard answers, not really what I ask)...great partner.
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Got a 1.20 credits commission on an XXL sub sale. I'm opted out of DPC, so the buyer must have paid 6 credits for my image.
Previously I would have gotten 0.29 credits for the same sale -> 4.83% commission.. what a scam >:(
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I think this announcement has officially backfired.
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I think this announcement has officially backfired.
I've had 52 sales since the announcement and the "huge increase in subscription commissions" has so far totalled ... 41c.
Wowee! I'm just so happy.
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I meant to post this graph in this thread, but put it in the main Dollar Photo Club one instead. Here is the link to the full post.
http://www.microstockgroup.com/fotolia-com/fotolia-d-day-(deactivation-day)-may-1/msg380004/#msg380004 (http://www.microstockgroup.com/fotolia-com/fotolia-d-day-(deactivation-day)-may-1/msg380004/#msg380004)
(http://www.backyardsilver.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Earnings-per-online-file-Fotolia.jpg)
Sorry... Steve
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I meant to post this graph in this thread, but put it in the main Dollar Photo Club one instead. Here is the link to the full post.
[url]http://www.microstockgroup.com/fotolia-com/fotolia-d-day-(deactivation-day)-may-1/msg380004/#msg380004[/url] ([url]http://www.microstockgroup.com/fotolia-com/fotolia-d-day-(deactivation-day)-may-1/msg380004/#msg380004[/url])
([url]http://www.backyardsilver.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Earnings-per-online-file-Fotolia.jpg[/url])
Sorry... Steve
unless you're a down hill skier this isn't a good graph :-[
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unless you're a down hill skier this isn't a good graph :-[
And if you are a downhill skier, those are awfully spiky moguls :)
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Seeing and increase in subs volumes, no increase in commissions - can't say yet if I'm getting subs instead of credit sales or at the expense of sales on other sites
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Seeing and increase in subs volumes, no increase in commissions - can't say yet if I'm getting subs instead of credit sales or at the expense of sales on other sites
I've noticed the increased percentage of sub sales too. (I'm opted out of DPC)
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I meant to post this graph in this thread, but put it in the main Dollar Photo Club one instead. Here is the link to the full post.
[url]http://www.microstockgroup.com/fotolia-com/fotolia-d-day-(deactivation-day)-may-1/msg380004/#msg380004[/url] ([url]http://www.microstockgroup.com/fotolia-com/fotolia-d-day-(deactivation-day)-may-1/msg380004/#msg380004[/url])
([url]http://www.backyardsilver.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Earnings-per-online-file-Fotolia.jpg[/url])
Sorry... Steve
Curiously similar graphs
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Is that last graph a return per image counting your total number of submitted images as the source? I have almost 6000 images on some sites and just less than 3000 on Fotolia - hence my graph should be halved if you count the earnings per image I have taken and submitted to them. My graph shows the images they have selected (which you would expect to be the best (in their view)) and even with that it is a really poor performance.
Steve
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It's fascinating how Fotolia seems to bring out such revulsion and disgust whenever they do anything. Seven quick pages of hooting laughter on this thread, and 50 pages of determined anger at the other thread. They have spent so many years saying one thing and doing another, always finding a way to chisel a little more away from their contributors, that there is literally no one left who will say anything nice about them. Except, of course, Matt, who always seems to be seeing a brighter day at FT.
Get me whatever he's drinking!
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Any site or business that can't make a go of it on a 50/50 Split with their suppliers shouldn't be in business. especially since they really don't produce anything or own anything except rented servers and some furniture. They wanna sell my work for a dollar. Fine, Gimmie 50 Cents per DL and I'll Opt back in without the stupid Levels of emerald and diamond crap. And Im sure everyone else will also.
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Any site or business that can't make a go of it on a 50/50 Split with their suppliers shouldn't be in business. especially since they really don't produce anything or own anything except rented servers and some furniture. They wanna sell my work for a dollar. Fine, Gimmie 50 Cents per DL and I'll Opt back in without the stupid Levels of emerald and diamond crap. And Im sure everyone else will also.
Well stated Lauren.
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I had 2 subs sales yesterday, still at the same amount as normal, ugh, makes me sick. I haven't given them anything new since this DPC thing started. where is the increase??
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I had 2 subs sales yesterday, still at the same amount as normal, ugh, makes me sick. I haven't given them anything new since this DPC thing started. where is the increase??
Its only for the subscription monthly packs. Not the normal subscription, whatever that means. So only a few types of subs are affected. Its all more smoke and mirrors. I was happy about the announcement at first, but its just a cat in a bag.
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I meant to post this graph in this thread, but put it in the main Dollar Photo Club one instead. Here is the link to the full post.
[url]http://www.microstockgroup.com/fotolia-com/fotolia-d-day-(deactivation-day)-may-1/msg380004/#msg380004[/url] ([url]http://www.microstockgroup.com/fotolia-com/fotolia-d-day-(deactivation-day)-may-1/msg380004/#msg380004[/url])
([url]http://www.backyardsilver.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Earnings-per-online-file-Fotolia.jpg[/url])
Sorry... Steve
Looks like the climatic change before the last ice age 8)
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Is that last graph a return per image counting your total number of submitted images as the source? I have almost 6000 images on some sites and just less than 3000 on Fotolia - hence my graph should be halved if you count the earnings per image I have taken and submitted to them. My graph shows the images they have selected (which you would expect to be the best (in their view)) and even with that it is a really poor performance.
Steve
Much smaller port but, yes, the graph is based on number of images on line in a given month - the real drop is from the price changes sometime ago.
I haven't finished coding the IS extract yet but that will show a much much bigger drop.
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My son finished a unit in school about the European Middle Ages. What you wrote reminds me of the feudal system. We are the serfs. Fotolia and the agencies (big ones) are the lords. :-X
This is called SCAM or FRAUD , in spanish ESTAFA
More than 23 dollars to fotolia...
Less than 2 for contribuitor...
Huge increse...? or end of the SCAM?
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Except that we own our images and can walk whenever we see fit
Problem is walking cuts income in most cases, hence the willing participation in things that are less than ideal