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« Reply #25 on: February 16, 2024, 03:29 »
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I think I may have an explanation for why we're seeing lower royalties on custom licenses this month versus during January. In another thread about royalties, Mat Hayward said:

It should make sense JoAnn but there is still something I don't understand:
For what I can see the "custom license" earning for contributors is not really "fluctuating": at the contrary it decreases regularly from january 1st
It started with about 1,47$, then started decreasing and it had never went back to that price

I can't see a single sale with a higher amount than the previous ones.
It quite difficult to understand that the increase of use of this pro plan is so regular in 45 days from the beginning of year.


« Reply #26 on: February 16, 2024, 13:56 »
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I think I may have an explanation for why we're seeing lower royalties on custom licenses this month versus during January. In another thread about royalties, Mat Hayward said:

It should make sense JoAnn but there is still something I don't understand:
For what I can see the "custom license" earning for contributors is not really "fluctuating": at the contrary it decreases regularly from january 1st
It started with about 1,47$, then started decreasing and it had never went back to that price

I can't see a single sale with a higher amount than the previous ones.
It quite difficult to understand that the increase of use of this pro plan is so regular in 45 days from the beginning of year.

If I look at Jan 2023 vs Feb 2023, the royalties for the $1-$2 bracket had RPDs of $1.30 in Jan and $1.05 in Feb

In Jan 2024 I didn't see the $1.4x start with $1.47; I saw $1.40, then $1.43, $1.45, etc. I think the high was $1.48 on Jan 19th.

In Jan 2024 my last $1.4x sale was Jan 23 ($1.44); in Jan 2023 it was Jan 19th (and it was $1.41)

It's hard to know anything with certainty because we have next-to-no data to work with. All "custom" sales are marked alike, but it's the Pro plans for enterprise that have these royalties fluctuating based on use of the unlimited plan.

It's just my best guess looking at what data we do have

« Reply #27 on: February 26, 2024, 12:50 »
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A new value for a "custom" royalty today - 37 cents. I'm hoping this doesn't mean an increase in very low royalties (below my 38 subscription royalty).

For the royalties discussed by the OP, what was $1.4x fluctuates daily, but is mostly $1.03 recently. But in addition to those there are other "custom" royalties which, with a very infrequent exception, never went below 38. The infrequent exception (which started a couple of years ago when the Pro plans did) was 33 - typically one or two a month at most.

I had three 37 "custom" royalties this morning. :(

« Reply #28 on: February 27, 2024, 03:37 »
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Got 3 of 0.37 "custom" royalties yesterday..  :-\

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #29 on: February 27, 2024, 12:20 »
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Got 3 of 0.37 "custom" royalties yesterday..  :-\

Yeah, me too, and five of the $1.03 custom downloads at the same time. "The royalty rate remains at 33% of the price paid by the customer. The rate paid by the customer varies based on the plan."

Much less complicated than being concerned if I just got a 36 sub or a 37, 38 or 39 custom. I also get $.99 and $1 custom, and $.99 subs. It's a mix.

« Reply #30 on: February 27, 2024, 16:21 »
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..."The royalty rate remains at 33% of the price paid by the customer. The rate paid by the customer varies based on the plan."...Much less complicated than being concerned if I just got a 36 sub or a 37, 38 or 39 custom. ... It's a mix.

It's true that the 33% is uncomplicated, but contributors need to watch changes in agency pricing as well as what their royalty rate is. My primary reason for watching the mix of prices (as opposed to just the monthly total compared to last year) is that when agencies start competing on price with other agencies, unless there's a huge influx of new business - not just a shift from one agency to another - contributors lose out.

Remember that Adobe Stock is a tiny pimple in Adobe's large business. I'm guessing that they want to show growth in their subscriber numbers (along with new sources of revenue derived from AI wonderfulness) to keep investors happy. Various plans include stock assets in the monthly price - including those "Pro" plans where there are unlimited downloads where our royalty fluctuates daily based on usage by subscribers to those plans.

Cheap stock content could be, effectively, a marketing lure and/or discount plan for building up or retaining subscribers to the Creative Cloud plans. Erosion of the price the customer pays even as our 33% remains unchanged is not good for contributors.

33% from Adobe Stock is a lot better than 15% from Getty/iStock, but some months a handful of very high price sales can bring the Getty RPD close to that of Adobe Stock.

I want to take the temperature of the water in the pot in which we're all slowly cooking :)

« Reply #31 on: February 28, 2024, 03:48 »
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I have 3 0.37$ sales today, and 5 yesterday. Looking further, no 0.38$ since 22 Feb, since that day I have a lot of 0.36 and 0.37$ sales. But besides those, I have a lot of 0.25 and 0.26$ sales due to 30% tax withhold on US sales (I can't tell about the higher priced sales), and I have such huge deductions of my stock sales everywhere. The hardest one is on Storyblocks, which is 30% on everything. So, imagine that statement from Storybolcks: Pretax total: 1000$, net total: 700$.
I have such numbers everywhere, all the time :(.

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #32 on: February 28, 2024, 13:18 »
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..."The royalty rate remains at 33% of the price paid by the customer. The rate paid by the customer varies based on the plan."...Much less complicated than being concerned if I just got a 36 sub or a 37, 38 or 39 custom. ... It's a mix.

It's true that the 33% is uncomplicated, but contributors need to watch changes in agency pricing as well as what their royalty rate is. My primary reason for watching the mix of prices (as opposed to just the monthly total compared to last year) is that when agencies start competing on price with other agencies, unless there's a huge influx of new business - not just a shift from one agency to another - contributors lose out.


Correct and we've seen that over and over. Buyers moved from IS to SS, as SS cut prices and we made less. Adobe has set a more reasonable rate and stayed with that, as IS has cut prices and our commissions. We make less. So SS cut the commissions and instituted the reset, with lower prices in some areas, so we earn less.

I just looked at Oct-Dec 2023, one custom for $1 and then all the high ones are 97 to 99. We got better than usual Custom sales in January, and now they are back to the usual. The unusual part was a raise and more income, not the negative view, that something just went down.

Same for July-Sept. not one custom over $.99 for the three months.

How is getting paid more, in January 2024, seen as some kind of a concern? Take a look back and see if your numbers are similar. And what I mean is, the numbers now are the same as usual, for the past, except the positive boost in January.

« Reply #33 on: February 28, 2024, 15:19 »
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I think I may have an explanation for why we're seeing lower royalties on custom licenses this month versus during January. In another thread about royalties, Mat Hayward said:

It should make sense JoAnn but there is still something I don't understand:
For what I can see the "custom license" earning for contributors is not really "fluctuating": at the contrary it decreases regularly from january 1st
It started with about 1,47$, then started decreasing and it had never went back to that price

I can't see a single sale with a higher amount than the previous ones.
It quite difficult to understand that the increase of use of this pro plan is so regular in 45 days from the beginning of year.

Did this happen last year too or just January 2024?

« Reply #34 on: February 29, 2024, 07:46 »
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...Did this happen last year too or just January 2024?

Read a few posts above.

Back on the topic of "custom" royalties getting lower in 2024, this morning I had one for 36. (Reminder that I had been tracking "custom" royalties lower than 38, my minimum subscription royalty. I am in the US, thus no tax-related deductions apply)

Taking a wild guess, there's a new "Pro" subscription including unlimited AdobeStock downloads where the rate is set daily based on usage. Earlier this week I had seven 37 "custom" royalties in total.

Edited to add that I found a page describing the Creative Cloud "Pro Plus" plan - it's an enterprise subscription that includes unlimited access to the entire Adobe Stock library - including videos & music. In listing the benefits of this plan it says:

"Lower your organizations total stock spend"

I can see the appeal of that pitch - to the buyers. But to contributors, encouraging the biggest spenders to spend less on stock, means we're just the bait on the hook for CC subscriptions that we don't see any share of.

I know we all know this, but 33% of eff all is eff all...
« Last Edit: February 29, 2024, 09:35 by Jo Ann Snover »

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #35 on: February 29, 2024, 14:08 »
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I know we all know this, but 33% of eff all is eff all...

Yes an absolute truth, across all of the industry. If they cut prices, we make less, even if the commission percentage is the same.

« Reply #36 on: March 01, 2024, 02:59 »
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« Reply #37 on: March 01, 2024, 11:36 »
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No more $1.40 now.  It's replaced by $1.02 now.  RPD much lower than in January.

« Reply #38 on: March 02, 2024, 20:50 »
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Lots of .37 and now even .36 here. (Thats how my days been looking. More downloads, but less $)

Most of my best sellers mostly got sold for .37 cents, I assumed those are from external links and that re-sale website gets a cut?

« Reply #39 on: March 03, 2024, 10:07 »
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Yes, and others just over $1.00 and $1.40 as you mentioned. Adobe Stock has started 2024 really great for me and way in the lead. So far I feel like Adobe is the ONLY site that is rewarding the work I put into microstock.
yes, about 99p a DL

« Reply #40 on: March 07, 2024, 17:00 »
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An update on the prevalence of the $0.36 "custom" royalties. In Feb 2024 there were two of those. In the first week of March, there have been 11. They were non-existent before Feb 2024

I assume that one of the plans with unlimited stock assets has seen a growth in the number of items downloaded and that's why the royalties are going down. Sort-of takes the fun out of seeing more downloads...

« Reply #41 on: March 07, 2024, 18:00 »
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An update on the prevalence of the $0.36 "custom" royalties. In Feb 2024 there were two of those. In the first week of March, there have been 11. They were non-existent before Feb 2024

I assume that one of the plans with unlimited stock assets has seen a growth in the number of items downloaded and that's why the royalties are going down. Sort-of takes the fun out of seeing more downloads...

3 out of 52 photo/image sales today were $0.36.  But I'm not worried.  It's only 2 cents less than $0.38 and still more than 3x the $0.10 you get on Shutterstock on 80% of photo sales there.  Also, 33 of 52 sales today so far are either $1.02 or $0.99.  That's impossible on Shutterstock.
« Last Edit: March 07, 2024, 18:04 by blvdone »

« Reply #42 on: March 08, 2024, 10:22 »
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...3 out of 52 photo/image sales today were $0.36.  But I'm not worried.  It's only 2 cents less than $0.38 and still more than 3x the $0.10 you get on Shutterstock on 80% of photo sales there.  Also, 33 of 52 sales today so far are either $1.02 or $0.99.  That's impossible on Shutterstock.

Today's "custom" numbers are $0.35 and $1.01; I guess yesterday's download total was large :)

I do appreciate the $0.99 and $0.66 subscription royalties that help keep the overall RPD up, but the concern is watching new lows for "custom" royalties in 2024

« Reply #43 on: March 08, 2024, 16:16 »
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I can still offer a couple of $0.33 custom sales I had yesterday - plus some $0.35 from today.
(see image below)

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #44 on: March 08, 2024, 16:38 »
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For what I can see the "custom license" earning for contributors is not really "fluctuating": at the contrary it decreases regularly from january 1st
It started with about 1,47$, then started decreasing and it had never went back to that price

I can't see a single sale with a higher amount than the previous ones.


I think that summarized the situation pretty well. We start at a higher number each year in January and then it adjusts down by March to a stable value, that continues for the rest of the year.


« Last Edit: March 09, 2024, 12:04 by Uncle Pete »

« Reply #45 on: March 08, 2024, 20:40 »
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I miss those $1.40 sales, but these are distant memory now.  It's interesting that when I had those $1.40 sales, my revenue was higher than now with less number of sales.  Maybe high volume subscription discount is too steep?  I don't know if it's a good business for Adobe Stock to give too much discount.


 

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