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« on: January 11, 2024, 13:01 »
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It's nice.  I didn't have many $1 or more royalty last year for a photo sale, but this year, I see $1.40 commissions.  That resulted in increase of royalty per photo sale by 20-25% it seems.  I don't know what changed on Adobe Stock, but it's nice and I like it.  Anybody seeing the same thing? 


« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2024, 13:07 »
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Yes, and others just over $1.00 and $1.40 as you mentioned. Adobe Stock has started 2024 really great for me and way in the lead. So far I feel like Adobe is the ONLY site that is rewarding the work I put into microstock.

« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2024, 13:10 »
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Yes, and others just over $1.00 and $1.40 as you mentioned. Adobe Stock has started 2024 really great for me and way in the lead. So far I feel like Adobe is the ONLY site that is rewarding the work I put into microstock.

Oh, good to hear.  Is there any policy change on Royalty structure?  I wondered if I moved up a ladder based on total number of sales or something.  Meanwhile, Shutterstock royalty is back to the lowest tier.  lol

« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2024, 14:33 »
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Yes, something has changed.

This year, almost half of my downloads were for $1.36 or $1.40. Nothing above that either, though.

« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2024, 14:49 »
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Yes, and others just over $1.00 and $1.40 as you mentioned. Adobe Stock has started 2024 really great for me and way in the lead. So far I feel like Adobe is the ONLY site that is rewarding the work I put into microstock.

Oh, good to hear.  Is there any policy change on Royalty structure?  I wondered if I moved up a ladder based on total number of sales or something.  Meanwhile, Shutterstock royalty is back to the lowest tier.  lol

The royalty rate remains at 33% of the price paid per asset. The price paid varies based on the plan the customer has committed to.

-Mat Hayward

« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2024, 15:25 »
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Yes, and others just over $1.00 and $1.40 as you mentioned. Adobe Stock has started 2024 really great for me and way in the lead. So far I feel like Adobe is the ONLY site that is rewarding the work I put into microstock.

Oh, good to hear.  Is there any policy change on Royalty structure?  I wondered if I moved up a ladder based on total number of sales or something.  Meanwhile, Shutterstock royalty is back to the lowest tier.  lol

The royalty rate remains at 33% of the price paid per asset. The price paid varies based on the plan the customer has committed to.

-Mat Hayward

Yes, I wondered about that too.  That means, more customers are buying smaller subscription plan with higher price per photo.  That's good for us.

« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2024, 23:03 »
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Not in my case. I am still getting mix of royalties.

« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2024, 08:21 »
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Yup, it started with 1.04 in December and today I got two for 1.43.

I like it.

« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2024, 08:34 »
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Im seeing quite a few.  Adobe is kicking SSs @ss to the curb.

« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2024, 10:25 »
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Im seeing quite a few.  Adobe is kicking SSs @ss to the curb.

Karma is a b***

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2024, 12:15 »
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Im seeing quite a few.  Adobe is kicking SSs @ss to the curb.

Just like SS did to IS years ago?  :)

« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2024, 12:22 »
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Im seeing quite a few.  Adobe is kicking SSs @ss to the curb.

By not allowing external AI content they punish themselves. Adobe just do the right things in accordance to the new reality.

« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2024, 13:20 »
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Im seeing quite a few.  Adobe is kicking SSs @ss to the curb.

Shutterstock's photo revenue is less than 1/20 of AdobeStock's so far this month for me.

« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2024, 14:10 »
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Im seeing quite a few.  Adobe is kicking SSs @ss to the curb.

Shutterstock's photo revenue is less than 1/20 of AdobeStock's so far this month for me.

Almost the same here.  Wow!

« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2024, 14:26 »
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Im seeing quite a few.  Adobe is kicking SSs @ss to the curb.

Shutterstock's photo revenue is less than 1/20 of AdobeStock's so far this month for me.

Almost the same here.  Wow!

Wow!!

« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2024, 15:32 »
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I keep track of some stats on Adobe Stock (via Google Sheets) - I started when I noticed the ratio of custom to subs sales was changing a while back. I have seen a big difference in the amounts of royalties over the last month or so - I assume that for whatever reason, customers aren't getting the big discounts they were able to get at various times last year.

January is showing an RPD for custom licenses of $0.99 and subs $0.81 - compared to $0.74 and $0.71 in November. Compare that to March 2023 when custom was $0.58 and subs $0.73

I also keep track of the different royalty "bands" - $1-$2, .90-.99, over $3, etc. - to see if the distribution of sales is changing. I started that when the $0.33 royalties first appeared (and happily they're never more than one or two a month and I've never seen anything lower; I have a minimum royalty amount each month so I can catch if the bottom drops out).

In November, the ratio of sales .90 - .99- to $1-2 was just under 39 to 1 - 39 times as many sales in the $0.9x bracket.

In January, so far, the ratio is just about one to one - very slightly fewer $0.9x sales. That's a very big swing. December was in between - about four $0.9x sales for every $1-2

And this isn't just a January thing. In Jan 2023, RPD was $0.77 for custom and $.086 for subs and the $0.9x sales were about twice the $1-2

It's good to see the RPD numbers coming back up - March 2023 it was $0.58 and $0.73 for subs (and there were zero $1-2 royalties that month!)

« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2024, 08:40 »
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Adobe Stock photo RPD falling now.  I rarely see $1+ commission this week.  Mostly capped at $0.99 and many are $0.38.  I got 43 photo sales on Adobe Stock yesterday, but none was $1 and above.  Me not likey.  Anybody see the same thing?
« Last Edit: February 15, 2024, 08:43 by blvdone »

« Reply #17 on: February 15, 2024, 10:02 »
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Adobe Stock photo RPD falling now.  I rarely see $1+ commission this week.  Mostly capped at $0.99 and many are $0.38.  I got 43 photo sales on Adobe Stock yesterday, but none was $1 and above.  Me not likey.  Anybody see the same thing?

Comparing Jan 1-15 to Feb 1-15 (and the day's not done, so it could have some miraculous turnaround later...)

Overall RPD: $0.88 Jan, $0.71 Feb
Sales in the $1-$2 bracket: Jan 40% of the total and RPD $1.31; Feb 35% of the total and RPD $1.03
Sales for exactly 38 were 13% of Jan but 22% of Feb

The last $1.4x royalty I had was Jan 23rd. There have been higher royalties - $2.97 and $3.30 but those are much less frequent.

Customers are getting more discounts, or doing whatever it is that fluctuates numbers on the "Pro" plans Mat referred to. Jan 1-15 the "custom" royalties RPD was $1.01; Feb 1-15 it's $$0.74. Subscription RPD is down too, but not as much.
« Last Edit: February 15, 2024, 10:06 by Jo Ann Snover »

« Reply #18 on: February 15, 2024, 10:41 »
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Adobe Stock photo RPD falling now.  I rarely see $1+ commission this week.  Mostly capped at $0.99 and many are $0.38.  I got 43 photo sales on Adobe Stock yesterday, but none was $1 and above.  Me not likey.  Anybody see the same thing?

Comparing Jan 1-15 to Feb 1-15 (and the day's not done, so it could have some miraculous turnaround later...)

Overall RPD: $0.88 Jan, $0.71 Feb
Sales in the $1-$2 bracket: Jan 40% of the total and RPD $1.31; Feb 35% of the total and RPD $1.03
Sales for exactly 38 were 13% of Jan but 22% of Feb

The last $1.4x royalty I had was Jan 23rd. There have been higher royalties - $2.97 and $3.30 but those are much less frequent.

Customers are getting more discounts, or doing whatever it is that fluctuates numbers on the "Pro" plans Mat referred to. Jan 1-15 the "custom" royalties RPD was $1.01; Feb 1-15 it's $$0.74. Subscription RPD is down too, but not as much.

Great.  I think January was a good month before buyers getting bigger subscription plan that pays less per photo to us.

« Reply #19 on: February 15, 2024, 13:10 »
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I have the same pattern:
January RPD: 0.88
Feb RPD: 0.59

« Reply #20 on: February 15, 2024, 13:12 »
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January was great with so many $1.40. Thank you for explanation why that was. Too bad it didnt last and now majority of mine are around  0.36

« Last Edit: February 15, 2024, 19:40 by Mifornia »

« Reply #21 on: February 15, 2024, 15:38 »
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I have the same pattern:
January RPD: 0.88
Feb RPD: 0.59

Wow that's drastic!

« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2024, 16:24 »
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I think I may have an explanation for why we're seeing lower royalties on custom licenses this month versus during January. In another thread about royalties, Mat Hayward said:

"The royalty rate remains at 33% of the price paid by the customer. The rate paid by the customer varies based on the plan. The Pro plans have rates that fluctuate daily based on the usage of all subscribers."

I searched to find a page describing the "Pro" plans and they have unlimited downloads:

"Unlimited downloads
Choose from millions of standard photos, vectors, illustrations, templates, and 3D assets. Create without worrying about asset quotas and use watermark-free, full-res assets even for comps and layouts."


I had forgotten that there was a plan with unlimited downloads. That's our friend when not much downloading is going on - when things are quiet in January and things haven't yet picked up after the holidays. It's not our friend when Pro users download lots and lots of images.

Here's the discussion from 2021

https://www.microstockgroup.com/fotolia-com/adobe-stock-announcing-pro-edition-for-creative-cloud-for-teams-and-enterprises/msg563172/#msg563172

I don't feel any better about these kinds of royalty setups now than I did then - safe stable income for the agency and variable income for contributors. And the more successful the plan becomes the less we earn per download...

The lowest royalty I've seen to date for a custom download is 33 even though there is apparently no floor amount - no minimum royalty.

« Reply #23 on: February 15, 2024, 17:03 »
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Jo Ann our best detective! Thank you, that makes perfect sense. In the holiday season when things are slow, the customers don't use up everything which leaves more money for us.

Now everybody is back to work, more downloads but less money.

« Reply #24 on: February 15, 2024, 18:57 »
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I think I may have an explanation for why we're seeing lower royalties on custom licenses this month versus during January. In another thread about royalties, Mat Hayward said:

"The royalty rate remains at 33% of the price paid by the customer. The rate paid by the customer varies based on the plan. The Pro plans have rates that fluctuate daily based on the usage of all subscribers."

I searched to find a page describing the "Pro" plans and they have unlimited downloads:

"Unlimited downloads
Choose from millions of standard photos, vectors, illustrations, templates, and 3D assets. Create without worrying about asset quotas and use watermark-free, full-res assets even for comps and layouts."


I had forgotten that there was a plan with unlimited downloads. That's our friend when not much downloading is going on - when things are quiet in January and things haven't yet picked up after the holidays. It's not our friend when Pro users download lots and lots of images.

Here's the discussion from 2021

https://www.microstockgroup.com/fotolia-com/adobe-stock-announcing-pro-edition-for-creative-cloud-for-teams-and-enterprises/msg563172/#msg563172

I don't feel any better about these kinds of royalty setups now than I did then - safe stable income for the agency and variable income for contributors. And the more successful the plan becomes the less we earn per download...

The lowest royalty I've seen to date for a custom download is 33 even though there is apparently no floor amount - no minimum royalty.

Wow.  So, I am contributing to an unlimited download stock site.  That sucks!!!

« Reply #25 on: February 16, 2024, 03:29 »
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I think I may have an explanation for why we're seeing lower royalties on custom licenses this month versus during January. In another thread about royalties, Mat Hayward said:

It should make sense JoAnn but there is still something I don't understand:
For what I can see the "custom license" earning for contributors is not really "fluctuating": at the contrary it decreases regularly from january 1st
It started with about 1,47$, then started decreasing and it had never went back to that price

I can't see a single sale with a higher amount than the previous ones.
It quite difficult to understand that the increase of use of this pro plan is so regular in 45 days from the beginning of year.

« Reply #26 on: February 16, 2024, 13:56 »
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I think I may have an explanation for why we're seeing lower royalties on custom licenses this month versus during January. In another thread about royalties, Mat Hayward said:

It should make sense JoAnn but there is still something I don't understand:
For what I can see the "custom license" earning for contributors is not really "fluctuating": at the contrary it decreases regularly from january 1st
It started with about 1,47$, then started decreasing and it had never went back to that price

I can't see a single sale with a higher amount than the previous ones.
It quite difficult to understand that the increase of use of this pro plan is so regular in 45 days from the beginning of year.

If I look at Jan 2023 vs Feb 2023, the royalties for the $1-$2 bracket had RPDs of $1.30 in Jan and $1.05 in Feb

In Jan 2024 I didn't see the $1.4x start with $1.47; I saw $1.40, then $1.43, $1.45, etc. I think the high was $1.48 on Jan 19th.

In Jan 2024 my last $1.4x sale was Jan 23 ($1.44); in Jan 2023 it was Jan 19th (and it was $1.41)

It's hard to know anything with certainty because we have next-to-no data to work with. All "custom" sales are marked alike, but it's the Pro plans for enterprise that have these royalties fluctuating based on use of the unlimited plan.

It's just my best guess looking at what data we do have

« Reply #27 on: February 26, 2024, 12:50 »
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A new value for a "custom" royalty today - 37 cents. I'm hoping this doesn't mean an increase in very low royalties (below my 38 subscription royalty).

For the royalties discussed by the OP, what was $1.4x fluctuates daily, but is mostly $1.03 recently. But in addition to those there are other "custom" royalties which, with a very infrequent exception, never went below 38. The infrequent exception (which started a couple of years ago when the Pro plans did) was 33 - typically one or two a month at most.

I had three 37 "custom" royalties this morning. :(

« Reply #28 on: February 27, 2024, 03:37 »
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Got 3 of 0.37 "custom" royalties yesterday..  :-\

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #29 on: February 27, 2024, 12:20 »
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Got 3 of 0.37 "custom" royalties yesterday..  :-\

Yeah, me too, and five of the $1.03 custom downloads at the same time. "The royalty rate remains at 33% of the price paid by the customer. The rate paid by the customer varies based on the plan."

Much less complicated than being concerned if I just got a 36 sub or a 37, 38 or 39 custom. I also get $.99 and $1 custom, and $.99 subs. It's a mix.

« Reply #30 on: February 27, 2024, 16:21 »
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..."The royalty rate remains at 33% of the price paid by the customer. The rate paid by the customer varies based on the plan."...Much less complicated than being concerned if I just got a 36 sub or a 37, 38 or 39 custom. ... It's a mix.

It's true that the 33% is uncomplicated, but contributors need to watch changes in agency pricing as well as what their royalty rate is. My primary reason for watching the mix of prices (as opposed to just the monthly total compared to last year) is that when agencies start competing on price with other agencies, unless there's a huge influx of new business - not just a shift from one agency to another - contributors lose out.

Remember that Adobe Stock is a tiny pimple in Adobe's large business. I'm guessing that they want to show growth in their subscriber numbers (along with new sources of revenue derived from AI wonderfulness) to keep investors happy. Various plans include stock assets in the monthly price - including those "Pro" plans where there are unlimited downloads where our royalty fluctuates daily based on usage by subscribers to those plans.

Cheap stock content could be, effectively, a marketing lure and/or discount plan for building up or retaining subscribers to the Creative Cloud plans. Erosion of the price the customer pays even as our 33% remains unchanged is not good for contributors.

33% from Adobe Stock is a lot better than 15% from Getty/iStock, but some months a handful of very high price sales can bring the Getty RPD close to that of Adobe Stock.

I want to take the temperature of the water in the pot in which we're all slowly cooking :)

« Reply #31 on: February 28, 2024, 03:48 »
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I have 3 0.37$ sales today, and 5 yesterday. Looking further, no 0.38$ since 22 Feb, since that day I have a lot of 0.36 and 0.37$ sales. But besides those, I have a lot of 0.25 and 0.26$ sales due to 30% tax withhold on US sales (I can't tell about the higher priced sales), and I have such huge deductions of my stock sales everywhere. The hardest one is on Storyblocks, which is 30% on everything. So, imagine that statement from Storybolcks: Pretax total: 1000$, net total: 700$.
I have such numbers everywhere, all the time :(.

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #32 on: February 28, 2024, 13:18 »
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..."The royalty rate remains at 33% of the price paid by the customer. The rate paid by the customer varies based on the plan."...Much less complicated than being concerned if I just got a 36 sub or a 37, 38 or 39 custom. ... It's a mix.

It's true that the 33% is uncomplicated, but contributors need to watch changes in agency pricing as well as what their royalty rate is. My primary reason for watching the mix of prices (as opposed to just the monthly total compared to last year) is that when agencies start competing on price with other agencies, unless there's a huge influx of new business - not just a shift from one agency to another - contributors lose out.


Correct and we've seen that over and over. Buyers moved from IS to SS, as SS cut prices and we made less. Adobe has set a more reasonable rate and stayed with that, as IS has cut prices and our commissions. We make less. So SS cut the commissions and instituted the reset, with lower prices in some areas, so we earn less.

I just looked at Oct-Dec 2023, one custom for $1 and then all the high ones are 97 to 99. We got better than usual Custom sales in January, and now they are back to the usual. The unusual part was a raise and more income, not the negative view, that something just went down.

Same for July-Sept. not one custom over $.99 for the three months.

How is getting paid more, in January 2024, seen as some kind of a concern? Take a look back and see if your numbers are similar. And what I mean is, the numbers now are the same as usual, for the past, except the positive boost in January.

« Reply #33 on: February 28, 2024, 15:19 »
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I think I may have an explanation for why we're seeing lower royalties on custom licenses this month versus during January. In another thread about royalties, Mat Hayward said:

It should make sense JoAnn but there is still something I don't understand:
For what I can see the "custom license" earning for contributors is not really "fluctuating": at the contrary it decreases regularly from january 1st
It started with about 1,47$, then started decreasing and it had never went back to that price

I can't see a single sale with a higher amount than the previous ones.
It quite difficult to understand that the increase of use of this pro plan is so regular in 45 days from the beginning of year.

Did this happen last year too or just January 2024?

« Reply #34 on: February 29, 2024, 07:46 »
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...Did this happen last year too or just January 2024?

Read a few posts above.

Back on the topic of "custom" royalties getting lower in 2024, this morning I had one for 36. (Reminder that I had been tracking "custom" royalties lower than 38, my minimum subscription royalty. I am in the US, thus no tax-related deductions apply)

Taking a wild guess, there's a new "Pro" subscription including unlimited AdobeStock downloads where the rate is set daily based on usage. Earlier this week I had seven 37 "custom" royalties in total.

Edited to add that I found a page describing the Creative Cloud "Pro Plus" plan - it's an enterprise subscription that includes unlimited access to the entire Adobe Stock library - including videos & music. In listing the benefits of this plan it says:

"Lower your organizations total stock spend"

I can see the appeal of that pitch - to the buyers. But to contributors, encouraging the biggest spenders to spend less on stock, means we're just the bait on the hook for CC subscriptions that we don't see any share of.

I know we all know this, but 33% of eff all is eff all...
« Last Edit: February 29, 2024, 09:35 by Jo Ann Snover »

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #35 on: February 29, 2024, 14:08 »
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I know we all know this, but 33% of eff all is eff all...

Yes an absolute truth, across all of the industry. If they cut prices, we make less, even if the commission percentage is the same.

« Reply #36 on: March 01, 2024, 02:59 »
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« Reply #37 on: March 01, 2024, 11:36 »
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No more $1.40 now.  It's replaced by $1.02 now.  RPD much lower than in January.

« Reply #38 on: March 02, 2024, 20:50 »
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Lots of .37 and now even .36 here. (Thats how my days been looking. More downloads, but less $)

Most of my best sellers mostly got sold for .37 cents, I assumed those are from external links and that re-sale website gets a cut?

« Reply #39 on: March 03, 2024, 10:07 »
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Yes, and others just over $1.00 and $1.40 as you mentioned. Adobe Stock has started 2024 really great for me and way in the lead. So far I feel like Adobe is the ONLY site that is rewarding the work I put into microstock.
yes, about 99p a DL

« Reply #40 on: March 07, 2024, 17:00 »
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An update on the prevalence of the $0.36 "custom" royalties. In Feb 2024 there were two of those. In the first week of March, there have been 11. They were non-existent before Feb 2024

I assume that one of the plans with unlimited stock assets has seen a growth in the number of items downloaded and that's why the royalties are going down. Sort-of takes the fun out of seeing more downloads...

« Reply #41 on: March 07, 2024, 18:00 »
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An update on the prevalence of the $0.36 "custom" royalties. In Feb 2024 there were two of those. In the first week of March, there have been 11. They were non-existent before Feb 2024

I assume that one of the plans with unlimited stock assets has seen a growth in the number of items downloaded and that's why the royalties are going down. Sort-of takes the fun out of seeing more downloads...

3 out of 52 photo/image sales today were $0.36.  But I'm not worried.  It's only 2 cents less than $0.38 and still more than 3x the $0.10 you get on Shutterstock on 80% of photo sales there.  Also, 33 of 52 sales today so far are either $1.02 or $0.99.  That's impossible on Shutterstock.
« Last Edit: March 07, 2024, 18:04 by blvdone »

« Reply #42 on: March 08, 2024, 10:22 »
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...3 out of 52 photo/image sales today were $0.36.  But I'm not worried.  It's only 2 cents less than $0.38 and still more than 3x the $0.10 you get on Shutterstock on 80% of photo sales there.  Also, 33 of 52 sales today so far are either $1.02 or $0.99.  That's impossible on Shutterstock.

Today's "custom" numbers are $0.35 and $1.01; I guess yesterday's download total was large :)

I do appreciate the $0.99 and $0.66 subscription royalties that help keep the overall RPD up, but the concern is watching new lows for "custom" royalties in 2024

« Reply #43 on: March 08, 2024, 16:16 »
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I can still offer a couple of $0.33 custom sales I had yesterday - plus some $0.35 from today.
(see image below)

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #44 on: March 08, 2024, 16:38 »
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For what I can see the "custom license" earning for contributors is not really "fluctuating": at the contrary it decreases regularly from january 1st
It started with about 1,47$, then started decreasing and it had never went back to that price

I can't see a single sale with a higher amount than the previous ones.


I think that summarized the situation pretty well. We start at a higher number each year in January and then it adjusts down by March to a stable value, that continues for the rest of the year.


« Last Edit: March 09, 2024, 12:04 by Uncle Pete »

« Reply #45 on: March 08, 2024, 20:40 »
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I miss those $1.40 sales, but these are distant memory now.  It's interesting that when I had those $1.40 sales, my revenue was higher than now with less number of sales.  Maybe high volume subscription discount is too steep?  I don't know if it's a good business for Adobe Stock to give too much discount.


 

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