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Tenebroso

« Reply #225 on: October 20, 2020, 09:39 »
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If a company opens a roadside bar. You know the business you are opening. If you play live music, you know what type of client will approach, depending on the type of music, it is not the same, live classical music than a heavy group.

If the fourth and fifth drinks are free, you will have to couple muscle and brain with the right of admission at the door so that the business does not close.

If you want an elite place, specialists in unique cocktails, entry by invitation and reservation, on the terrace of a business center. You know the type of business you have.

You can cancel the promotion in 60 days. Last 30 days free, enjoy it.

To veteran clients, give them the same subscription fee, for one year, free images. For the new ones, free subscription for six months, a commitment to stay for one year. Pay only the commission to each collaborator for each image downloaded from your clients.

And launch an advertising campaign, that AS is the company that every month, has the highest number and quality of files on offer of all agencies.

And to celebrate, free photos for new ones. Free for loyal customers. And payment of commissions to collaborators.

Understanding that in this historic moment that the planet is living, AS has a commitment to humanity.


Merry Christmas to all.

And I bring my talent to the AS Agency, free. But don't get used to it.


« Reply #226 on: October 20, 2020, 11:21 »
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Competing with free images?  Starting to make some other agencies a lot more attractive than they were before this. 

Tenebroso

« Reply #227 on: October 20, 2020, 11:26 »
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Everyone knows the business they intend to have. Logically, elite customers will not consume burned images. Whether 70k or 1 million free images, there are clients who cannot afford to publish burned images. Free images are burned images, with a zero value.

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #228 on: October 20, 2020, 13:35 »
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Competing with free images?  Starting to make some other agencies a lot more attractive than they were before this.
Except that Adobe is trying to woo customers away from these 'other agencies' which have the temerity to charge a few cents per image.

Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #229 on: October 20, 2020, 16:09 »
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I imagine a bakery in my town, which is offering two kinds of bread, one is free of charge and the other one you have to pay for. An now I compare this to Matts argument:

"The end goal is to attract them to the larger, paid collection to entice them to purchase licenses for content outside the free collection."

What a wonderful business idea!!!!

While I don't like the idea of eat free and maybe you'll pay some other day, as in free images, I want to explain why your bakery comparison is wrong.

Imagine a bakery that offers a free dinner roll as a sample of their baking, to get people in the door to buy their other breads.  :)

Imagine a grocery store that has free samples of pizza, or sausages, or cookies, introducing people to the product.

Imagine a photo agency that offers some selected free images to potential buyers, to get the buyers to see the rest of the collection?

Now, here's something. 100 is far too many. Some places offer a free photo of the day, to get repeat visits. But maybe that's bad too because the suckers will just come, get the one, each day, and leave. 10 a day and people will search, more likely to be selective to find the best choices, for their limited allotment. They will be more likely to keep coming back, which is the idea, isn't it? Not one visit, download the limit and they have 100 images to file away. Why come back? Lower the number, make them look and become familiar with the products that are available.

Some people hedged around another promotional idea, buy four images, get one from the free collection, FREE. Drive purchases and paid downloads, not open the door and get the people who just want free lunch. Not only that, I'll contend that people who take free images are more often, people who will never buy any image, never have before, they are just free image people. They started that way and they aren't going to suddenly pay, even if Adobe has the best curated and quality images. The free image people are basically "free image people".

Adobe shouldn't be looking at how to get people to come to download free images, but instead, how to get people to come and then change into image buyers. Of course they are a billion dollar company and have much smarter people than I on their staff. They also have corporate power intimidation, with meetings, committees and top people who have the highest positions saying things like "I have a new idea, what do you think of this?" asking people who fear they will lose their job for disagreeing or standing up and saying, that's not a good idea.  :-\

Anyway, here we are, I'm positive that Adobe will be closely monitoring visitors, new customers, downloads, income, and all the other related data. I trust them to be flexible and adjust if this is not playing out the way they predicted.

In other words, while I don't really like the idea nor embrace the future of free as a plan that will build and attract new paying customers... I don't run the company, so I'll just watch and wait and see how this turns out. I'm certainly not going delete my files, shut down my account, and crawl into a cave, which only hurts my earnings, not the company?  Boycott or closing my account isn't an effective method at all, for making change.

A gnat going through the turbine blades on a jet engine, isn't going to slow anything down or make a difference.

Roll with the punches, adapt and adjust.

Tenebroso

« Reply #230 on: October 20, 2020, 16:21 »
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Adobe is not a microstock company. Adobe acquired a microstock company. The microstock is a tool for your software.

AS is an Adobe satellite company. One more department. If you generate income that matches the investment of the Fotolia acquisition, it is sufficient. They have their business. Adobe is not a microstock agency.

We will see how the microstock agencies counter this commercial blow to the industry.

« Reply #231 on: October 20, 2020, 18:22 »
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Adobe shouldn't be looking at how to get people to come to download free images, but instead, how to get people to come and then change into image buyers. ... They also have corporate power intimidation, with meetings, committees and top people who have the highest positions saying things like "I have a new idea, what do you think of this?" asking people who fear they will lose their job for disagreeing or standing up and saying, that's not a good idea.  :-\

It's called "groupthink," Pete, and it's been the death of many good things.

The more I ponder this situation, the more disappointed I am in Adobe.

Just a few months ago, AS seemed like the closest thing to a knight in shining armor that we content creators were likely to find precisely because they didn't *have* to wring every penny out of their stock contributors (who also happen to be some of the most reliable customers of their software).

No longer, alas.
« Last Edit: October 20, 2020, 18:26 by marthamarks »

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #232 on: October 20, 2020, 18:27 »
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Adobe shouldn't be looking at how to get people to come to download free images, but instead, how to get people to come and then change into image buyers. ... They also have corporate power intimidation, with meetings, committees and top people who have the highest positions saying things like "I have a new idea, what do you think of this?" asking people who fear they will lose their job for disagreeing or standing up and saying, that's not a good idea.  :-\

It's called "group think," Pete, and it's been the death of many good things.

The more I ponder this situation, the more disappointed I am in Adobe.

Just a few months ago, AS seemed like the closest thing to a knight in shining armor that we content creators were likely to find precisely because they didn't *have* to wring every penny out of their stock contributors (who also happen to be some of the most reliable customers of their software).

No longer, alas.
They were just waiting for their moment.
There is no knight in shining armour. The one which might, or might not, be is like a Secret Society, complete with fancy handshakes.

« Reply #233 on: October 20, 2020, 18:36 »
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There is no knight in shining armour. The one which might, or might not, be is like a Secret Society, complete with fancy handshakes.

Sounds like you might be talking about Stocksy???

Clair Voyant

« Reply #234 on: October 20, 2020, 19:22 »
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There is no knight in shining armour. The one which might, or might not, be is like a Secret Society, complete with fancy handshakes.

Sounds like you might be talking about Stocksy???

FWIW there never was a knight in shining armour. All microstock agencies are based on the servitude of minions who for some bizarre reason idolize a select few people and also think\thought they were part of a community. You are/were part of a community to supply images at your cost so that a company/corporation can profit heavily from you.

As for Stocksy presuming that is who you meant they are a bit different. I was one of the few who was offered front row seats when they started but declined because I did not see the vision and was seriously cashing in over at Istock. I 100% understood/understand the concept of Stocksy and think it is great but it was not a fit for me then and speeding up the truck to today I still don't think it is fit for me, mainly due to what I shoot.

Again presuming you are talking about Stocksy, I wish all agencies would do what they do, inspect images for content and quality and reject images because it is not what the agency wants to sell and/or just pure crap. Stocksy is a curated collection (very similar to the way it used to be when all the main agencies were hypothetically closed) and either you produce the content the agency wants or you don't. I am certain I could get my work into Stocksy, but I am not prepared to give up what I have to have 50-250 images on their site, I don't see the financial incentive.

Apart from that little rant... you are only fooling yourself if you think any agency needs you.





« Last Edit: October 20, 2020, 19:25 by Clair Voyant »

Tenebroso

« Reply #235 on: October 20, 2020, 19:31 »
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The question is, do we need agencies to sell?

« Reply #236 on: October 20, 2020, 20:47 »
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Apart from that little rant... you are only fooling yourself if you think any agency needs you.

Yeah, 'tis true.

I'm 74 years old with a long, happy, healthy, productive, and fulfilling life behind me. This 11-12 year fling with stock has never been more to me than a way to productively use the nature photography that I most love to do. I will keep doing it as long as I physically can, because it's what I most love to do. I'm lucky, and I know it.

The depressing part for me is what it means for those who hoped to earn a decent living with their creative endeavors.

« Last Edit: October 20, 2020, 20:50 by marthamarks »

« Reply #237 on: October 20, 2020, 23:55 »
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So, the free collection has been out for a week today.
Anyone notices a rise in sales, like Adobe expected? Because so far I certainly haven't. Not that I expected it, but who knows, maybe the increasement in sales will come once people have used up all their 70.000 free images? Oh, wait, but in a year they will be replaced by new images. So that will probably never happen....
« Last Edit: October 21, 2020, 04:44 by Firn »

« Reply #238 on: October 21, 2020, 02:37 »
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There is no knight in shining armour. The one which might, or might not, be is like a Secret Society, complete with fancy handshakes.

Sounds like you might be talking about Stocksy???
lool :-)
Anyway i see here a lot of brainstorming made for independent commercial companies, full of themselves. This is repeating during years. Always with the same result. May be they have used some ideas generated here. It didn't affect positively the contributors, it just helped these companies to grow or to prolong their life. It was useful for them only. They care about their incomes, not ours. Their actions often reflect a conflict of interest between wholesale/retail and manufacturers.

« Reply #239 on: October 21, 2020, 03:02 »
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The question is, do we need agencies to sell?
Unless someone comes up with something truly innovative and scaled up the answer for 95% is yes.

« Reply #240 on: October 21, 2020, 04:43 »
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« Reply #241 on: October 21, 2020, 04:48 »
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The question is, do we need agencies to sell?

I find this a valid point. If giving free is the point then anyone can launch their website and give their content for free. To monetize they can apply for adsense or offer subscription if they grow.

Chichikov

« Reply #242 on: October 21, 2020, 05:13 »
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Competing with free images?  Starting to make some other agencies a lot more attractive than they were before this.
Except that Adobe is trying to woo customers away from these 'other agencies' which have the temerity to charge a few cents per image.

Well, free is really few cents

(And somebody said, times ago, "if it is free, you are the product")

« Reply #243 on: October 21, 2020, 06:56 »
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This scheme is worse than free.  There is a problem using free sites commercially as there is no indemnity and no way of knowing if the product is stolen or not. With the Adobe images you get a free image plus the indemnity thrown in, that in effect makes these images the best deal in stock.

« Reply #244 on: October 21, 2020, 09:23 »
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This scheme is worse than free.  There is a problem using free sites commercially as there is no indemnity and no way of knowing if the product is stolen or not. With the Adobe images you get a free image plus the indemnity thrown in, that in effect makes these images the best deal in stock.

Yes, and that is an excellent observation.

Methinks Adobe actually has found the silver bullet for itself.

AS may now sink all the other sites that scream "FREE!!!!!!" even as it also sinks all creatives except those privileged few whom it has chosen to contribute to its own safe-and-free collection.
« Last Edit: October 21, 2020, 09:30 by marthamarks »

« Reply #245 on: October 21, 2020, 09:26 »
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So, the free collection has been out for a week today.
Anyone notices a rise in sales, like Adobe expected? Because so far I certainly haven't.

I haven't either.

After a lovely run of sales right before the free collection emerged, my sales abruptly dropped to zero. Coincidence?

Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #246 on: October 21, 2020, 09:46 »
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FWIW there never was a knight in shining armour.

Apart from that little rant... you are only fooling yourself if you think any agency needs you.

Sorry for cutting out the middle bits, but right and right. Agencies are not created or designed to be our friends or financial supporters, they are a business, to make the owners money. We're just a necessity that supplies the product to them.

When people say they are removing images and closing accounts and "ha ha, I'll show them" the agencies don't care. The supply far outstrips the demand at this point. We aren't individuals, and if someone is truly an artist, nothing has changed since the earliest artists, pay doesn't equal the training, investment, skills and efforts, and never has.

So, the free collection has been out for a week today.
Anyone notices a rise in sales, like Adobe expected? Because so far I certainly haven't. Not that I expected it, but who knows, maybe the increasement in sales will come once people have used up all their 70.000 free images? Oh, wait, but in a year they will be replaced by new images. So that will probably never happen....

Actually yes I have, but honestly, the time period is too short to be making statements about up or down or any conclusions. Wait a few months to see the trend.

My earnings are up this week. They could be down next week. How do I conclude anything was directly a result of Free Images, positive or negative?  ??? For all I know or expect, the free images could do nothing, except feed the people who like to collect free images.

wds

« Reply #247 on: October 21, 2020, 10:01 »
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Is there any editorial in the free collection?

Tenebroso

« Reply #248 on: October 21, 2020, 10:43 »
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The question is, do we need agencies to sell?
Unless someone comes up with something truly innovative and scaled up the answer for 95% is yes.

We are going very very very very advanced. I don't know if the work team will be rewarded for the effort, but we are having fun creating the platform. It is not a microstock agency, it is a group of artists who sell their products. There are quite a few small details, as it is not an agency, nor does it think how agencies think. The biggest problem is still space, especially in videos.

« Reply #249 on: October 21, 2020, 11:02 »
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The question is, do we need agencies to sell?
Unless someone comes up with something truly innovative and scaled up the answer for 95% is yes.

We are going very very very very advanced. I don't know if the work team will be rewarded for the effort, but we are having fun creating the platform. It is not a microstock agency, it is a group of artists who sell their products. There are quite a few small details, as it is not an agency, nor does it think how agencies think. The biggest problem is still space, especially in videos.

Who is "we"?


 

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