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SVH

« Reply #350 on: June 07, 2022, 14:13 »
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All the ones that are currently free don't have a slider.  Just a box that says "free".  Doesn't seem like a choice for those.  Or are those automatically not going to be re-admitted at all?
They fixed the bug, had the same issue. You should be able to see it now or maybe it's a regional thing and it will take a bit longer.


Chillswell

« Reply #351 on: June 07, 2022, 23:59 »
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Hello Mat,

I appreciate your efforts and I think you're a nice person.
But I think Chillswell in his message was rather referring to the new commission rate for videos.
Yes we are not forced to submit our work into the free collection, but we are forced, and have no other choice than to accept that our videos are now sold with a price commission divided by 10...
Unless Adobe Stock allows us to opt out from this plan (which would not be very complex to set up), it is nothing but pure robbery.

Regards

Benoit
Thank you for the support, guess we both don't like licking boots so much.
Easier to just ignore us. Force us to sell our work for $0.50 cents and be "generous"
to have it listed for free, optionally . >:(

« Reply #352 on: June 08, 2022, 07:03 »
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Hello Mat,

I appreciate your efforts and I think you're a nice person.
But I think Chillswell in his message was rather referring to the new commission rate for videos.
Yes we are not forced to submit our work into the free collection, but we are forced, and have no other choice than to accept that our videos are now sold with a price commission divided by 10...
Unless Adobe Stock allows us to opt out from this plan (which would not be very complex to set up), it is nothing but pure robbery.

Regards

Benoit
Thank you for the support, guess we both don't like licking boots so much.
Easier to just ignore us. Force us to sell our work for $0.50 cents and be "generous"
to have it listed for free, optionally . >:(
Yes, and it feels like we are both the elephant in the room in this thread...

« Reply #353 on: June 08, 2022, 12:26 »
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Hello Mat,

I appreciate your efforts and I think you're a nice person.
But I think Chillswell in his message was rather referring to the new commission rate for videos.
Yes we are not forced to submit our work into the free collection, but we are forced, and have no other choice than to accept that our videos are now sold with a price commission divided by 10...
Unless Adobe Stock allows us to opt out from this plan (which would not be very complex to set up), it is nothing but pure robbery.

Regards

Benoit
Thank you for the support, guess we both don't like licking boots so much.
Easier to just ignore us. Force us to sell our work for $0.50 cents and be "generous"
to have it listed for free, optionally . >:(

Nobody is forcing you anything, and it's not free, you get 5$.

SVH

« Reply #354 on: June 08, 2022, 12:43 »
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Hello Mat,

I appreciate your efforts and I think you're a nice person.
But I think Chillswell in his message was rather referring to the new commission rate for videos.
Yes we are not forced to submit our work into the free collection, but we are forced, and have no other choice than to accept that our videos are now sold with a price commission divided by 10...
Unless Adobe Stock allows us to opt out from this plan (which would not be very complex to set up), it is nothing but pure robbery.

Regards

Benoit
Thank you for the support, guess we both don't like licking boots so much.
Easier to just ignore us. Force us to sell our work for $0.50 cents and be "generous"
to have it listed for free, optionally . >:(

Nobody is forcing you anything, and it's not free, you get 5$.
You are right but they are also.
Everybody here hates shutterstock so much that they see Adobe as their savior an kiss up to them not realising that Adobe is in the same game and will act accordingly, as like all the others. As for example they did with videos just recently.
For myself, but I am a newby and don't have a big portfolio, I notice that shutterstock sells more different photos then the variety I sell on Adobe. And yes it's just ten cents most of the time but sometimes there will be bigger amounts that will surpass Adobe's commissions by a mile and make up for it. Same goes for Istock. More variety and way bigger sales now and then.
Mat is a nice guy but is being paid to be here and convey the message of Adobe. Some people however think he's doing it from his good heart. Which he probably has, but that's irrelevant because it's not the case here.

« Reply #355 on: June 08, 2022, 13:07 »
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Nobody is kissing them anywhere. All I can say is, that in the last 6 or so months, Adobe became my best earner (about 20% increase from last year, 35% increase compared to 2020) while in the same time, number of sales on SS plummeted for about 30% and earningS for about 50% in the same period. Even istock is doing better this year than SS. And I don't mind getting 5 extra cash for a files that don't sell anyway.

SVH

« Reply #356 on: June 08, 2022, 13:28 »
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Nobody is kissing them anywhere.
Oh come on, it's full of comments over here that kiss up to Adobe. And that's fine but don't say that it's not there.

Chillswell

« Reply #357 on: June 08, 2022, 15:13 »
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Nobody is forcing you anything, and it's not free, you get 5$.
Well, up until a few months ago, every video sold made me at least $28
Since they've introduced the video subscription service, they've sold the exact videos
But instead of getting $28, my profit became $3.
If this would've been the case from the get go,
I wouldn't have bothered uploading videos,
But it wasn't, they forced that change years after these videos were uploaded.
This wasn't part of the initial agreement, and ,
they didn't ask , if we're ok with it, so in my dictionary, that's forcing.
This is the part where you say "If you don't like it leave"
So yes, thats exactly what happened. I left.
« Last Edit: June 08, 2022, 15:15 by Chillswell »

« Reply #358 on: June 08, 2022, 16:34 »
+2
Hello Mat,

I appreciate your efforts and I think you're a nice person.
But I think Chillswell in his message was rather referring to the new commission rate for videos.
Yes we are not forced to submit our work into the free collection, but we are forced, and have no other choice than to accept that our videos are now sold with a price commission divided by 10...
Unless Adobe Stock allows us to opt out from this plan (which would not be very complex to set up), it is nothing but pure robbery.

Regards

Benoit
Thank you for the support, guess we both don't like licking boots so much.
Easier to just ignore us. Force us to sell our work for $0.50 cents and be "generous"
to have it listed for free, optionally . >:(

Nobody is forcing you anything, and it's not free, you get 5$.
You are right but they are also.
Everybody here hates shutterstock so much that they see Adobe as their savior an kiss up to them not realising that Adobe is in the same game and will act accordingly, as like all the others. As for example they did with videos just recently.
For myself, but I am a newby and don't have a big portfolio, I notice that shutterstock sells more different photos then the variety I sell on Adobe. And yes it's just ten cents most of the time but sometimes there will be bigger amounts that will surpass Adobe's commissions by a mile and make up for it. Same goes for Istock. More variety and way bigger sales now and then.
Mat is a nice guy but is being paid to be here and convey the message of Adobe. Some people however think he's doing it from his good heart. Which he probably has, but that's irrelevant because it's not the case here.

Adobe Stock has overtaken Shutterstock for me too.
I don't sell video but I can see why Chillswell is upset, that's a big drop. Hoprfully Adobe Stock won't become greedy like Shutterstock.

« Reply #359 on: June 08, 2022, 19:29 »
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Hi Everyone,

Moments ago we launched a free collection on Adobe Stock. We'll be sending an email to contributors later today with this announcement but I wanted to give you a heads up in advance.

I expect you will have some (many?) questions and I'm happy to answer any that I can. We have put together a Learn & Support page with details and an anticipated list of FAQ for you here:

https://helpx.adobe.com/stock/contributor/help/free-collection-contributor-information.html

You can view the collection here: https://stock.adobe.com/free

Let me know your questions, I'll be around all day.

Kind regards,

Mat Hayward

Okay, so let's ask some questions:
why can't we have statistics about the files involved in this operation, during and after this operation?

Assuming you're not going to give us these numbers in the end anyway (and that's not a good thing), will their value still be calculated in the rankings?

Do they exist, these rankings?

One of the things that amazon does, for example, is look at the data of products that OTHERS sell in their marketplace, and then they themselves at a lower price produce a competitive product precisely with those who trust them as distributors, not competitors.

We these sales data (from which we will only benefit with a flat rate) cannot even have them, if we stick to the comparison. It would be very useful for us to have this data.

Second question:
in what "many ways" (apart from any initial flat rate remuneration) should contributors benefit from this operation? Could you list them explicitly? :)

Thank you very much for your effort and commitment.


zeljkok

  • Non Linear Existence
« Reply #360 on: June 09, 2022, 00:15 »
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Mat will correct me where I am wrong, but here are the answers to your questions:


why can't we have statistics about the files involved in this operation, during and after this operation?

Because the system in the back end does not capture them. Could it be implemented? Absolutely.  But it probably considered not worth, or low priority.

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Assuming you're not going to give us these numbers in the end anyway (and that's not a good thing), will their value still be calculated in the rankings?

If free downloads are not captured, there can not have impact to the rankings

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Do they exist, these rankings?

Absolutely, and it is likely the heaviest weight in search algorithm.  I am also guessing time plays significant factor, i.e  recent downloads versus old ones, etc.  But you will not ever get specifics of algorithm implementation itself, as it is company proprietary (as it should be)

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It would be very useful for us to have this data.

Agreed 100%.  But again it is likely not going to happen

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Second question:
in what "many ways" (apart from any initial flat rate remuneration) should contributors benefit from this operation? Could you list them explicitly? :)


Main one is probably portfolio exposure.  I.e. if customer downloads free image & likes it,  there is link to contributor portfolio so he/she might go there and get something else, bookmark it etc etc.

SVH

« Reply #361 on: June 09, 2022, 00:29 »
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Because the system in the back end does not capture them. Could it be implemented? Absolutely.  But it probably considered not worth, or low priority.
I find it very hard to believe that the system will not capture downloads in the free section. That would also be pretty dumb from Adobe because they could not tell how succesful it is or not. If somebody told you this then it's probably more a lame excuse not to give us these statitistics. But I'm pretty sure Adobe has them.

zeljkok

  • Non Linear Existence
« Reply #362 on: June 09, 2022, 02:06 »
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Because the system in the back end does not capture them. Could it be implemented? Absolutely.  But it probably considered not worth, or low priority.
I find it very hard to believe that the system will not capture downloads in the free section. That would also be pretty dumb from Adobe because they could not tell how succesful it is or not. If somebody told you this then it's probably more a lame excuse not to give us these statitistics. But I'm pretty sure Adobe has them.

I don't think they do, at least not directly linked to individual image/contributor port. If this was real not cyber world, I'd wager you a beer 🍺.  But we might not find out, it might be too internal.

One thing for sure, it would be very useful to have this data public

« Reply #363 on: June 09, 2022, 03:57 »
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Nobody is forcing you anything, and it's not free, you get 5$.
[/quote]

Wrong.
If I'm hired for a job at 1000$/month, and suddenly it drops to 100$/month, am I forced to leave ? I think so.
In this case I am earning 2,80$ instead of 28$, and 5,60$ instead of 56$. Take some time and do your math.
And if your message was just another "take it or leave it", just give me a break.

« Reply #364 on: June 09, 2022, 06:20 »
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Let me know your questions, I'll be around all day.

...

Mat Hayward

About automatic renewal:

for the works involved in the automatic renewal, will there also be a new automatic payment in the same terms as the first one? otherwise they should automatically go out of the period.
Too convenient and not very honest to leave it to OUR difficulty, attention and use of time and resources to EXIT a condition that benefits Adobe at our expense.

If, on the other hand, the payment (but I don't see any mention of it in the addendum) for automatic renewal is itself automatic, then fine: can you clarify that explicitly -- and officially -- for us?

And if you can, please let know Adobe whenever they treat contributors as if they were employees they also have to remember the part about the salary.

Thank you! YOU are very kind and helping.


« Reply #365 on: June 09, 2022, 06:26 »
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Mat will correct me where I am wrong, but here are the answers to your questions:




are you and adobe employee or do you have official sources with documents citing data to give these answers? I think this space should be leaved free for Mat only about answers, and for us to only ask questions, leaving private messages the privileged way for us to discuss, in this specific thread.

« Reply #366 on: June 09, 2022, 06:30 »
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 ... cut ...

Having content in the paid collection of a similar nature to what is in the free collection can only benefit you as opposed to not having it online at all. I do expect to see expanded searches from people driven to the site by the free collection so if your content is displayed in those searches, you have the potential for sales you would have never seen otherwise.


fact of which we have no possibility of having any knowledge, have we?

« Reply #367 on: June 09, 2022, 09:05 »
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Nobody is forcing you anything, and it's not free, you get 5$.

Wrong.
If I'm hired for a job at 1000$/month, and suddenly it drops to 100$/month, am I forced to leave ? I think so.
In this case I am earning 2,80$ instead of 28$, and 5,60$ instead of 56$. Take some time and do your math.
And if your message was just another "take it or leave it", just give me a break.
[/quote]

This is not force. It's your decision.

And I don't know why yall complaining, stock is going downhill in the last few years, we all know it, and theres no crap, you can do about it. Whinig here wont change anything, just suck it up and move on.
« Last Edit: June 09, 2022, 09:08 by Dumc »

« Reply #368 on: June 09, 2022, 09:57 »
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Let me know your questions, I'll be around all day.

...

Mat Hayward

About automatic renewal:

for the works involved in the automatic renewal, will there also be a new automatic payment in the same terms as the first one? otherwise they should automatically go out of the period.
Too convenient and not very honest to leave it to OUR difficulty, attention and use of time and resources to EXIT a condition that benefits Adobe at our expense.

If, on the other hand, the payment (but I don't see any mention of it in the addendum) for automatic renewal is itself automatic, then fine: can you clarify that explicitly -- and officially -- for us?

And if you can, please let know Adobe whenever they treat contributors as if they were employees they also have to remember the part about the salary.

Thank you! YOU are very kind and helping.

I'm unable to answer the other questions you have posed, however this one I can answer definitively. Yes.

If your file is approved for the Free collection during this 2022 wave, it will be automatically "nominated" for the Free collection in 2023. You will, of course have the option to opt-out and decline the nomination if that is your preference. What will be different is that the default will be for the file to remain nominated. Just like this year and last, if the nominated file is approved for the Free collection in 2023, the payment will be applied to your account automatically. It is important to us that contributors are fairly compensated for their work. In my opinion, as a contributor, I feel that $5 per image for a non-exclusive, 12 month agreement is fair and reasonable, so I have personally opted in the majority of my eligible files. The eligible files in my account were not generating consistent income for me and I don't see why that trend would have changed. If it's not for you, I fully respect your position and you are in no way, shape, or form obligated to participate.

Whether you nominate your photos or not, all contributors are greatly appreciated at Adobe Stock. We know that without you, there is no us.

Thanks for the questions and feedback,

Mat Hayward

« Reply #369 on: June 09, 2022, 23:40 »
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In my opinion, as a contributor, I feel that $5 per image for a non-exclusive, 12 month agreement is fair and reasonable, so I have personally opted in the majority of my eligible files. The eligible files in my account were not generating consistent income for me and I don't see why that trend would have changed.


....

I totally agree. And I apologize that my knowledge of the English language and use of translators may have made what I posed as a hypothesis more aggressive than determined and clear: an "if so, then so, otherwise something else" form.

But you have made it perfectly clear that it is all fair.
So I renew my apologies for the aggressive over-form: you do not deserve it, nor does the initiative.

Thank you for your help.

« Reply #370 on: June 10, 2022, 02:21 »
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Let me tell you. if i get a few more 2 dollar video sales i will take my +10000 clips away
Regards

Chillswell

« Reply #371 on: June 10, 2022, 02:57 »
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And I don't know why yall complaining, stock is going downhill in the last few years, we all know it, and theres no crap, you can do about it. Whinig here wont change anything, just suck it up and move on.

We're complaining because prices are going up yet our income is being cut down,
The "just suck it up" part, we will leave to you. If you're into bootlicking and suckingthingsup, go ahead.
The "and move on" part ->  sure, some of us already have, and some of us will.
Your portfolio will remain among your "kind" .
Which means, among those who are willing to sell themselves cheap.
Usually these type of marketplaces don't last long.
So clearly, there is something we can do about it,
Those who have more self respect towards their own work will find alternatives,
There's a reason the quality of Netflix content is crashing throughout the years,
There's a reason why Seinfeld, Friends, The Office, Mad Men, and many more aren't on it anymore.
same goes for Shutterstock and Adobe and Pond5 .
Some prefer to be buried with their dignity, some don't.
This message isn't actually intended for you, even though you might think it is,
It is to reinforce the others who feel like me, an echo chamber perhaps,
To keep our heads up and not give in to this.

« Last Edit: June 10, 2022, 03:08 by Chillswell »

« Reply #372 on: June 10, 2022, 04:05 »
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Dear people, what about photos eligible for free collection submitted to adobe via wirestock? How is wirestock going to handle it?

« Reply #373 on: June 10, 2022, 07:35 »
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Let me tell you. if i get a few more 2 dollar video sales i will take my +10000 clips away
Regards

You ARE going to get MORE than a few more crummy sales.

Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #374 on: June 10, 2022, 11:49 »
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Dear people, what about photos eligible for free collection submitted to adobe via wirestock? How is wirestock going to handle it?

I suspect they will do nothing, because that's not their right to decide.


 

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