Dear people, what about photos eligible for free collection submitted to adobe via wirestock? How is wirestock going to handle it?

Well actually you are making a good point. Will they cash in on their eligible photos? Will they pay the contributors their share? Or will they do nothing? Interesting.
Seems a perfect opportunity for them to hit and run. It's not that things were going that swell lately. And now there is this big pile of money lurking

Quote from: Chillswell on June 10, 2022, 02:57

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So clearly, there is something we can do about it,
Those who have more self respect towards their own work will find alternatives,...

"aye,there's the rub"
at this point there's no alternative for most artists that matches the (meager) income from microstock

I wrote those who have more self respect towards their own work, not most artists.
It was always about quality over quantity, most artists are the masses.
This wasn't aimed at them,
especially the negative ones who are here to cry "there's no alternative" 
Shopify ? Sellfy ? Stripe ? Gumroad ? Paddle  ?
If you're good enough, your clients will find you.
Those who are, know they are.

Quote from: cascoly on June 10, 2022, 14:13

Quote from: Chillswell on June 10, 2022, 02:57

.....
So clearly, there is something we can do about it,
Those who have more self respect towards their own work will find alternatives,...

"aye,there's the rub"
at this point there's no alternative for most artists that matches the (meager) income from microstock

I wrote those who have more self respect towards their own work, not most artists.
It was always about quality over quantity, most artists are the masses.
This wasn't aimed at them,
especially the negative ones who are here to cry "there's no alternative" 
Shopify ? Sellfy ? Stripe ? Gumroad ? Paddle  ?
If you're good enough, your clients will find you.
Those who are, know they are.

I tend to agree with your comments re. the alternatives. I closed my Etsy shop because I was having a bad month with difficult buyers, and needed a 'sanity break'. I reopened it a little over a week ago and already had 11 sales. Including sales from some of my previous 'good' buyers/followers who were waiting for me to return, and immediately bought more items.

Direct selling has its good and bad points, but with some effort and time, and perhaps the occasional sanity-break, one definitely can build up a new income stream.

More info here:

https://www.microstockgroup.com/general-stock-discussion/where-to-now/msg576986/?topicseen#new

Quote from: Annie on June 10, 2022, 17:58

I tend to agree with your comments re. the alternatives. I closed my Etsy shop because I was having a bad month with difficult buyers, and needed a 'sanity break'. I reopened it a little over a week ago and already had 11 sales. Including sales from some of my previous 'good' buyers/followers who were waiting for me to return, and immediately bought more items.

Direct selling has its good and bad points, but with some effort and time, and perhaps the occasional sanity-break, one definitely can build up a new income stream.

More info here:

https://www.microstockgroup.com/general-stock-discussion/where-to-now/msg576986/?topicseen#new

I love playing with my websites for direct selling of various things. So many ways to do this stuff for sure.

yes, running your own shop can be a lot of fun and very interesting experience - and profitable. I just wish there was a way to offload the 'crazy' buyers who cause problems. Its a bit like 'Fawlty Towers" - 'this would be a great hotel to run if it wasn't for the guests'. lol

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Actually, Mat is working for Adobe, and he is also producing what we do.  😋

Your alias speak volumes.

Adobe Stock is such a great middle man,
Everyone should be proud working for them. 🤯🤡
especially now, that you know what your "free" images are used for.

Quote from: Chillswell on June 10, 2022, 21:32

they wouldn't have the need to buy fake Trustpilot reviews   

Why on earth would they buy reviews like that?
lol...

Plus the CC subscription reviews have nothing to do with US and our side of AdobeStock or the free collection and mirror what happens to many other places, when people sign up for trials and get billed for not ending them. Or when someone adds an annual contract and forgets to cancel.

Although there should be advanced notice that it's going to renew, I think that's the law now.

So lets rephrase the complaints on Trustpilot (which if you pay them, will edit and remove negative reviews by the way. Like blackmail) "I forgot to cancel my subscription to CC and even though I got a notice that it was going to auto-renew, I ignored that, until I got billed. Now I'm angry at Adobe because of my own inaction."

I don't like the excessive fee to cancel part, that seems a bit unreasonable. (if it's true?) Especially if someone wrote a day or two after the billing discovery. Billing for the time used, at the monthly rate, would be a fair solution.

Plus the CC subscription reviews have nothing to do with US and our side of AdobeStock or the free collection and mirror what happens to many other places, when people sign up for trials and get billed for not ending them. Or when someone adds an annual contract and forgets to cancel.

Although there should be advanced notice that it's going to renew, I think that's the law now.

So lets rephrase the complaints on Trustpilot (which if you pay them, will edit and remove negative reviews by the way. Like blackmail) "I forgot to cancel my subscription to CC and even though I got a notice that it was going to auto-renew, I ignored that, until I got billed. Now I'm angry at Adobe because of my own inaction."

I don't like the excessive fee to cancel part, that seems a bit unreasonable. (if it's true?) Especially if someone wrote a day or two after the billing discovery. Billing for the time used, at the monthly rate, would be a fair solution.

Whenever I need a stock photo for one of my projects, generally I use Dreamstime, since I can use credits from my own sales. Love that. Fotolia used to allow that too, not sure if Adobe does anymore, I no longer have an account there.

Quote from: Chillswell on June 12, 2022, 10:51

Quote from: farbled on June 12, 2022, 10:27

Quote from: Chillswell on June 10, 2022, 21:32

they wouldn't have the need to buy fake Trustpilot reviews   

Why on earth would they buy reviews like that?
lol...

These aren't the bought ones, you just wait 3 - 6 months and then you'll see the ones they paid for .
If you want to see the bought ones, check out Envato on Trustpilot ( who were only recently at 2.6)
Once again, you guys want to live in denial that you're working for the bad guys, so be it.
Keep licking boots and carry on.

No thanks, I dont see a point in following companies I don't subscribe to. You seem very upset at them, when its an industry-wide issue ("free" sections). Its just business. It was good, now its not.

Love the keyboard warriors who call everyone else out anonymously. Lets see the portfolio that is so much "more" than all us peons...

So basically you don't care you sell through an agency that scams it's clients,
and I'm the keyboard warrior . ok. you're right.

Quote from: farbled on June 12, 2022, 10:58

Quote from: Chillswell on June 12, 2022, 10:51

Quote from: farbled on June 12, 2022, 10:27

Quote from: Chillswell on June 10, 2022, 21:32

they wouldn't have the need to buy fake Trustpilot reviews   

Why on earth would they buy reviews like that?
lol...

These aren't the bought ones, you just wait 3 - 6 months and then you'll see the ones they paid for .
If you want to see the bought ones, check out Envato on Trustpilot ( who were only recently at 2.6)
Once again, you guys want to live in denial that you're working for the bad guys, so be it.
Keep licking boots and carry on.

No thanks, I dont see a point in following companies I don't subscribe to. You seem very upset at them, when its an industry-wide issue ("free" sections). Its just business. It was good, now its not.

Love the keyboard warriors who call everyone else out anonymously. Lets see the portfolio that is so much "more" than all us peons...

So basically you don't care you sell through an agency that scams it's clients,
and I'm the keyboard warrior . ok. you're right.

Did you even read the reviews? They are all from people who did not cancel their subscription in time. That's not a scam, but laziness on the customer's end. Read contracts before you sign them! Just because it's online and you click a button it doesn't mean it isn't a binding contract.
 You can find the exact same reviews on Truspilot for every stock photo agency that offers yearly subscriptions. Shutterstock has them, iStock has them, Adobe has them, Dremastime has them.
People sign up and don't realize the cheapes prices are for a yearly subscription and if you want out after a month you need to pay for a different subscription that costs you more for photos. Or people sign up for the free trial, without reading that you actually have to cancel it. Signing contracts without reading them and then giving the company a bad review for your error, that's just stupidity.

 There is a reason you can't just back out of yearly subscriptions: You already paid the cheapes price possible for images you downloaded and that price only comes with the condition that you pay for a minimum of 12 months. That's the condition you agreed to and you can't expect to pay the same cheap price, without fulfilling that condition.
 If you only want a few images, you have to pay much more per image as part of an on demand package. Allowing people to cancel yearly subscription before 12 months would mean giving away images that should be sold for on demand package prices for the lowers subscription package prices. The only ones being scamed like this would be the agencies (not the artists by the way. We don't earn a dime from subscription plans customers's don't want/need and use anymore, so we basically get screwed over either way.)

Quote from: Chillswell on June 12, 2022, 11:01

Quote from: farbled on June 12, 2022, 10:58

Quote from: Chillswell on June 12, 2022, 10:51

Quote from: farbled on June 12, 2022, 10:27

Quote from: Chillswell on June 10, 2022, 21:32

they wouldn't have the need to buy fake Trustpilot reviews   

Why on earth would they buy reviews like that?
lol...

These aren't the bought ones, you just wait 3 - 6 months and then you'll see the ones they paid for .
If you want to see the bought ones, check out Envato on Trustpilot ( who were only recently at 2.6)
Once again, you guys want to live in denial that you're working for the bad guys, so be it.
Keep licking boots and carry on.

No thanks, I dont see a point in following companies I don't subscribe to. You seem very upset at them, when its an industry-wide issue ("free" sections). Its just business. It was good, now its not.

Love the keyboard warriors who call everyone else out anonymously. Lets see the portfolio that is so much "more" than all us peons...

So basically you don't care you sell through an agency that scams it's clients,
and I'm the keyboard warrior . ok. you're right.

Did you even read the reviews? They are all from people who did not cancel their subscription in time. That's not a scam, but laziness on the customer's end. Read contracts before you sign them! Just because it's online and you click a button it doesn't mean it isn't a binding contract.
 You can find the exact same reviews on Truspilot for every stock photo agency that offers yearly subscriptions. Shutterstock has them, iStock has them, Adobe has them, Dremastime has them.
People sign up and don't realize the cheapes prices are for a yearly subscription and if you want out after a month you need to pay for a different subscription that costs you more for photos. Or people sign up for the free trial, without reading that you actually have to cancel it. Signing contracts without reading them and then giving the company a bad review for your error, that's just stupidity.

 There is a reason you can't just back out of yearly subscriptions: You already paid the cheapes price possible for images you downloaded and that price only comes with the condition that you pay for a minimum of 12 months. That's the condition you agreed to and you can't expect to pay the same cheap price, without fulfilling that condition.
 If you only want a few images, you have to pay much more per image as part of an on demand package. Allowing people to cancel yearly subscription before 12 months would mean giving away images that should be sold for on demand package prices for the lowers subscription package prices. The only ones being scamed like this would be the agencies (not the artists by the way. We don't earn a dime from subscription plans customers's don't want/need and use anymore, so we basically get screwed over either way.)

Thank you Firn for detailing this. Trustpilot and other rating portals are usually the vomit bag for people who are not able to solve problems or admit their own mistakes. The negative reviews I have classified exactly like you.

Quote from: Devotio777 on June 10, 2022, 04:05

Dear people, what about photos eligible for free collection submitted to adobe via wirestock? How is wirestock going to handle it?

Well actually you are making a good point. Will they cash in on their eligible photos? Will they pay the contributors their share? Or will they do nothing? Interesting.
Seems a perfect opportunity for them to hit and run. It's not that things were going that swell lately. And now there is this big pile of money lurking

Hi, I didn't participated in any free collection in the past and I'm not sure if I ever will. But, recently I asked about the eligibility process on the Wirestock's slack channel, how they handle it. I got the answer that they take into a count the "Instant Pay" setting that can be changed (to true or false) anytime for any photo in the creators portfolio. Their selection process is based on this setting and on the Adobe's rules of amount of downloads. And at the end, if the Adobe will choose the photos as well, the creator will get: $5 - 15% for every selected photo. I know that the same way this was done the last year and some contributors were very happy with the results (based on the chats in the Wirestock's slack channel).