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« Reply #50 on: August 16, 2022, 14:52 »
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Mat, something just occured to me - I submitted some png files and today one of them was sold. But if these images are now not sold as transparent pngs, but jpgs to the customers, isn't it highly misleading to them, when they have "transparent" in title and keywors? At least the keyword "transparent" is automatically filled in by adobe when submitting a png file. Wouldn't it be better to hide them from customers alltogether, till Adobe is ready to launch them as pngs instead of selling them as jpgs while claiming they were transparent?

That's exactly how it is with me, Firn. I have uploaded a few png files - online since two days. The same images are also available in my portfolio as jpg with white background. And now the first of the png images has been sold.

I too see the danger that buyers might feel fooled when they realize that the images are not clipped at all.

Mat, what do the buyers actually get? A jpg or a png?

For now, these files are only available as JPG on the customer facing site. Once the feature is launched, they can download PNG files.

Thank you for the feedback,

Mat

But why are they advertised as transparent to customers?

I'm not sure what you mean. This feature is not launched for customers yet. There is no need to put the word "transparent" in your title or keywords if that is what you mean. PNG files with transparent backgrounds will be automatically identified by us and will surface in the correct, filtered searches.

-Mat Hayward


« Reply #51 on: August 16, 2022, 15:05 »
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There is no need to put the word "transparent" in your title or keywords if that is what you mean.

No, that's not what I mean. It's not me. It's Adobe that automatically puts the word "transparent" into the keywords when uploading a  png.  Sure, I could remove the keyword again, but apparently Adobe seems to think it should be there and since - once the feature is actually launched - I want people to actually find my pngs I don't see why I should remove this relevant keyword after Adobe added it. But as of now that means that Adobe automatically adds the keyword "transparent" to images that, at least for now, are not transparent. And that's very misleading to customers.

wds

« Reply #52 on: August 16, 2022, 15:31 »
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I have a few hundred object isolations in my portfolio so I did a couple of tests.  The PNG renditions from my photoshop/raw files yielded tiff sized results.  I had to reduce image size a bit to get them below 45 megs.  Reworked jpeg results were far smaller - about 5 megs.  Is higher res/less compression a selling point for the PNGs?  If so will 45 megs remain the limit? 

Overall it would take quite a bit of effort to rework a few hundred files.  (I tend to polish as I go.)  I'm wondering if it will be worth the time.  If so.. I'd like to get started.

In Photoshop when you save as PNG, it should give you the options of "large", "medium" or "small" file size at the expense of the time it takes to encode the image. My understanding is PNGs use lossless compression for all three file size options (look it up to be sure).

« Reply #53 on: August 16, 2022, 15:42 »
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I have a few hundred object isolations in my portfolio so I did a couple of tests.  The PNG renditions from my photoshop/raw files yielded tiff sized results.  I had to reduce image size a bit to get them below 45 megs.  Reworked jpeg results were far smaller - about 5 megs.  Is higher res/less compression a selling point for the PNGs?  If so will 45 megs remain the limit? 

Overall it would take quite a bit of effort to rework a few hundred files.  (I tend to polish as I go.)  I'm wondering if it will be worth the time.  If so.. I'd like to get started.

In Photoshop when you save as PNG, it should give you the options of "large", "medium" or "small" file size at the expense of the time it takes to encode the image. My understanding is PNGs use lossless compression for all three file size options (look it up to be sure).

I tried those buttons.  The resulting file sizes were the same.  Odd. 

« Reply #54 on: August 16, 2022, 15:51 »
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Mat, something just occured to me - I submitted some png files and today one of them was sold. But if these images are now not sold as transparent pngs, but jpgs to the customers, isn't it highly misleading to them, when they have "transparent" in title and keywors? At least the keyword "transparent" is automatically filled in by adobe when submitting a png file. Wouldn't it be better to hide them from customers alltogether, till Adobe is ready to launch them as pngs instead of selling them as jpgs while claiming they were transparent?

That's exactly how it is with me, Firn. I have uploaded a few png files - online since two days. The same images are also available in my portfolio as jpg with white background. And now the first of the png images has been sold.

I too see the danger that buyers might feel fooled when they realize that the images are not clipped at all.

Mat, what do the buyers actually get? A jpg or a png?

For now, these files are only available as JPG on the customer facing site. Once the feature is launched, they can download PNG files.

Thank you for the feedback,

Mat

But why are they advertised as transparent to customers?

I'm not sure what you mean. This feature is not launched for customers yet. There is no need to put the word "transparent" in your title or keywords if that is what you mean. PNG files with transparent backgrounds will be automatically identified by us and will surface in the correct, filtered searches.

-Mat Hayward

Sorry, Mat, but you wrote this on the first page of this thread:

I would add "transparent" as a keyword. No need to add the file type. This will be in a filter customers can use.

Thanks for the question,

Mat

« Reply #55 on: August 16, 2022, 15:52 »
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There is no need to put the word "transparent" in your title or keywords if that is what you mean.

No, that's not what I mean. It's not me. It's Adobe that automatically puts the word "transparent" into the keywords when uploading a  png.  Sure, I could remove the keyword again, but apparently Adobe seems to think it should be there and since - once the feature is actually launched - I want people to actually find my pngs I don't see why I should remove this relevant keyword after Adobe added it. But as of now that means that Adobe automatically adds the keyword "transparent" to images that, at least for now, are not transparent. And that's very misleading to customers.

No keywords are automatically added. Are you referencing the suggested keywords feature? If so, you must now click to add the suggestions when relevant to your image. Please correct me if I'm missing something.

Thanks,

Mat


« Reply #56 on: August 16, 2022, 15:53 »
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Mat, something just occured to me - I submitted some png files and today one of them was sold. But if these images are now not sold as transparent pngs, but jpgs to the customers, isn't it highly misleading to them, when they have "transparent" in title and keywors? At least the keyword "transparent" is automatically filled in by adobe when submitting a png file. Wouldn't it be better to hide them from customers alltogether, till Adobe is ready to launch them as pngs instead of selling them as jpgs while claiming they were transparent?

That's exactly how it is with me, Firn. I have uploaded a few png files - online since two days. The same images are also available in my portfolio as jpg with white background. And now the first of the png images has been sold.

I too see the danger that buyers might feel fooled when they realize that the images are not clipped at all.

Mat, what do the buyers actually get? A jpg or a png?

For now, these files are only available as JPG on the customer facing site. Once the feature is launched, they can download PNG files.

Thank you for the feedback,

Mat

But why are they advertised as transparent to customers?

I'm not sure what you mean. This feature is not launched for customers yet. There is no need to put the word "transparent" in your title or keywords if that is what you mean. PNG files with transparent backgrounds will be automatically identified by us and will surface in the correct, filtered searches.

-Mat Hayward

Sorry, Mat, but you wrote this on the first page of this thread:

I would add "transparent" as a keyword. No need to add the file type. This will be in a filter customers can use.

Thanks for the question,

Mat

Thanks for catching that. That statement was contradicted by my team earlier today who said there was no need to add the keyword. My bad.

-Mat Hayward

« Reply #57 on: August 16, 2022, 15:55 »
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There is no need to put the word "transparent" in your title or keywords if that is what you mean.

No, that's not what I mean. It's not me. It's Adobe that automatically puts the word "transparent" into the keywords when uploading a  png.  Sure, I could remove the keyword again, but apparently Adobe seems to think it should be there and since - once the feature is actually launched - I want people to actually find my pngs I don't see why I should remove this relevant keyword after Adobe added it. But as of now that means that Adobe automatically adds the keyword "transparent" to images that, at least for now, are not transparent. And that's very misleading to customers.

I've submitted a couple of batches but I think I'll hold off on any more until they're actually ready to go live. My concern is now I've submitted a batch of PNG's that look like jpgs I've already submitted and are successful. The PNG's will drop down the ranking as they may not compete against the established files over the next two months... or, they have a detrimental effect on the jpgs that are selling well. The same way too many similars do.

I think it would be better if they allow us to submit the PNG's and for Adobe to hold off releasing them until they're ready to start the service. That way we can submit the files and customers aren't presented with confusing titles, keywords and files that look the same as existing ones. It should be easy enough for Adobe to hide these from customers based on the png file extension until they're ready to release the service.
« Last Edit: August 16, 2022, 15:58 by HalfFull »

« Reply #58 on: August 16, 2022, 16:12 »
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There is no need to put the word "transparent" in your title or keywords if that is what you mean.

No, that's not what I mean. It's not me. It's Adobe that automatically puts the word "transparent" into the keywords when uploading a  png.  Sure, I could remove the keyword again, but apparently Adobe seems to think it should be there and since - once the feature is actually launched - I want people to actually find my pngs I don't see why I should remove this relevant keyword after Adobe added it. But as of now that means that Adobe automatically adds the keyword "transparent" to images that, at least for now, are not transparent. And that's very misleading to customers.

I've submitted a couple of batches but I think I'll hold off on any more until they're actually ready to go live. My concern is now I've submitted a batch of PNG's that look like jpgs I've already submitted and are successful. The PNG's will drop down the ranking as they may not compete against the established files over the next two months... or, they have a detrimental effect on the jpgs that are selling well. The same way too many similars do.

I think it would be better if they allow us to submit the PNG's and for Adobe to hold off releasing them until they're ready to start the service. That way we can submit the files and customers aren't presented with confusing titles, keywords and files that look the same as existing ones. It should be easy enough for Adobe to hide these from customers based on the png file extension until they're ready to release the service.

Yes, I agree!


wds

« Reply #60 on: August 17, 2022, 08:30 »
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This point may have been raised above, but I noticed that accepted PNG files are currently offered to customers in JPEG format, presumably until the official launch of PNG availability. If the file description states it is '"XYZ" on a transparent background' (because in the PNG file it is), but in fact it is currently offered as JPG, the customer may be confused....because in the JPEG version, there is of course no transparency. Not sure how big an issue this is, but it could turn a customer off to an image or contributor ("why is it stated that the background is transparent when it is not?").

Maybe it would be best to just hold off on any availability until the actual launch where PNGs are available rather than confuse or irritate the customer?

« Reply #61 on: August 17, 2022, 08:39 »
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Exactly. I've just deleted the PNG files I uploaded that already have a high ranking jpgs and I'm going to hold off sending any more files until nearer the release time. By then I'll have a large batch to do at once but rather that than annoying customers or, damaging the ranking of the new / existing files. I wish they would just approve the PNG files but hide all .png extensions until they were ready to launch. At the moment it looks (to the customer) that we have submitted duplicate files and it may well have an adverse effect on ranking if they are ignored.
« Last Edit: August 17, 2022, 09:25 by HalfFull »

« Reply #62 on: August 18, 2022, 00:38 »
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I'm in the process of uploading all of my PNG files now and gradually over the next month.  Yes, there might be some confusion intially but I believe that getting these files accepted and 'ready to go' is really important.  The experience at Canva has shown that these files are incredibly popular with designers and I expect the same to apply at Adobe.  It might take a while to become fully estabished but I'll guess that once most customers become aware of the PNG file option sales of those files will take off like wildfire.  Equivalent 'isolated on white' files are likely to take a back seat over time.  I'm expecting sales of my 'isolated on white' stuff to decline as more and more customers opt for PNG.  And given the scarcity of PNG files, at least at the launch, those with PNG files ready to go will benefit.  I could be wrong but my gut feel is that this is an excellent move by Adobe and I think we'll all be pleasantly surprised at how sales take off.

« Reply #63 on: August 18, 2022, 08:12 »
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I've just uploaded a small batch of transparent PNG versions of some old vectors. Although I agree the customer shouldn't be confused or misled by temporary jpeg versions of the PNGs, I think getting in early will indeed be beneficial. But the PNG feature launch should be asap to avoid any angry customers.
« Last Edit: August 18, 2022, 09:04 by Noedelhap »

« Reply #64 on: August 18, 2022, 08:16 »
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Mat, can we be able to upload PNG versions of vectors?

« Reply #65 on: August 19, 2022, 19:48 »
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Hello Lima,

No need to re-upload your vectors as PNG. If your vectors don't have a background and have an artboard/canvas of ~10MP, we'll automatically process a transparent PNG version of them as an option for customers. As we're doing currently when offering JPG's on top of the Vector download. At first this option might only appear for recent vector uploads, we'll process the backlog as we can.

Morgan David de Lossy
PM on Adobe Stock

« Reply #66 on: August 19, 2022, 21:14 »
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GREAT! Thankyou Morgan

Hello Lima,

No need to re-upload your vectors as PNG. If your vectors don't have a background and have an artboard/canvas of ~10MP, we'll automatically process a transparent PNG version of them as an option for customers. As we're doing currently when offering JPG's on top of the Vector download. At first this option might only appear for recent vector uploads, we'll process the backlog as we can.

Morgan David de Lossy
PM on Adobe Stock

« Reply #67 on: August 20, 2022, 04:20 »
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Hello Lima,

No need to re-upload your vectors as PNG. If your vectors don't have a background and have an artboard/canvas of ~10MP, we'll automatically process a transparent PNG version of them as an option for customers. As we're doing currently when offering JPG's on top of the Vector download. At first this option might only appear for recent vector uploads, we'll process the backlog as we can.

Morgan David de Lossy
PM on Adobe Stock


Oh okay.

Will these PNGs be listed separately when the buyer filters them in search, or will they be displayed as an option in the vector listing?

« Reply #68 on: August 20, 2022, 22:22 »
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finally good news again. I have an isolated version with a transparent background for each rendering. I just have to save it as a PNG file. This will certainly soon be possible with other agencies as well. Saw it at indivstock. But it will certainly become a competitor for vector graphics.
« Last Edit: August 20, 2022, 22:36 by hellou »

« Reply #69 on: August 21, 2022, 09:30 »
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But it will certainly become a competitor for vector graphics.

I disagree, vectors will always be more versatile and editable than a raster image.

« Reply #70 on: August 22, 2022, 13:06 »
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Hello Lima,

No need to re-upload your vectors as PNG. If your vectors don't have a background and have an artboard/canvas of ~10MP, we'll automatically process a transparent PNG version of them as an option for customers. As we're doing currently when offering JPG's on top of the Vector download. At first this option might only appear for recent vector uploads, we'll process the backlog as we can.

Morgan David de Lossy
PM on Adobe Stock


Oh okay.

Will these PNGs be listed separately when the buyer filters them in search, or will they be displayed as an option in the vector listing?

Both. Customers will be able to filter by transparent assets. If your original vector had no background in the back, then it will automatically be available in both '1' be displayed when customers filter for transparent assets and '2' be available for 3 possible downloadable assets types: the vector, the PNG, the flattened jpg. (even when customers find them outside of filtering.
Something we'll have to deal with in the future is the flattened jpg option, as you can imagine, white snowflakes flattened on white backgrounds won't get much success. Which is the issue with our current implementation as we ramp up acquisition of transparent assets (PNG's). But we're working on a fix which should hit before customers start needing them. Thanks for working with us on this new opportunity. New ideas > new problems > new solutions > new market for everyone. Please keep the feedback coming! Thx.

« Reply #71 on: August 22, 2022, 13:25 »
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But it will certainly become a competitor for vector graphics.

I disagree, vectors will always be more versatile and editable than a raster image.

Indeed, if your vector is setup in a way that we can automatically offer different download options from it. (Artboard >10MP and no background) Then the best way for you is to only upload the vector, we'll take care of marking these assets as available for Transparent PNG downloads automatically.

Morgan David de Lossy
Product Manager on Adobe Stock

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« Reply #72 on: August 22, 2022, 16:07 »
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Hello Lima,

No need to re-upload your vectors as PNG. If your vectors don't have a background and have an artboard/canvas of ~10MP, we'll automatically process a transparent PNG version of them as an option for customers. As we're doing currently when offering JPG's on top of the Vector download. At first this option might only appear for recent vector uploads, we'll process the backlog as we can.

Morgan David de Lossy
PM on Adobe Stock

What happens if I was uploading vectors with artboards in sizes like 2400 x 2300? Do I recreate and save as a PNG or what's going to happen. Will I get dinged somehow for having a file as a vector and as a PNG?

Interesting move forward, I don't know if I'll just add new and leave the old as they are, but I'm still interested in how you are handling these updates.

Thank You

wds

« Reply #73 on: August 24, 2022, 21:20 »
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Not sure why PNG files we have uploaded and have been accepted are being sold as JPGs until the official launch. A customer may download a file that says it has a transparent background (as a PNG), but in fact they get a JPG that does not have a transparent background until the official launch. Not good for the reputation of the contributor nor Adobestock. Why not let these be downloaded as PNG's from the "get-go"?...would that really harm the launch?...there is no great secret here, competitors know that Adobestock will in fact be offering PNGs, so why the holdback of the files as a PNG? It would be better at least if the files were just not customer visible until the launch instead of misleading the customer who thinks they are getting a PNG but in fact get a JPG.
« Last Edit: August 24, 2022, 21:22 by wds »

« Reply #74 on: August 24, 2022, 23:39 »
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Not sure why PNG files we have uploaded and have been accepted are being sold as JPGs until the official launch. A customer may download a file that says it has a transparent background (as a PNG), but in fact they get a JPG that does not have a transparent background until the official launch. Not good for the reputation of the contributor nor Adobestock. Why not let these be downloaded as PNG's from the "get-go"?...would that really harm the launch?...there is no great secret here, competitors know that Adobestock will in fact be offering PNGs, so why the holdback of the files as a PNG? It would be better at least if the files were just not customer visible until the launch instead of misleading the customer who thinks they are getting a PNG but in fact get a JPG.

Good point, but as a rule of thumb I recommend avoiding mentioning the file type or transparency in the title, it's not best practice. These create more noise than benefits, and as you mention, they can lead to customer issues.
It is safer to rely on filters and other browsing options. Your transparent PNG is automatically detected and flagged as such and will be displayed in the given sections when we open them.
For new asset types, and the very case of the PNG launch that we're working on with you, a critical mass is needed across search queries in order to meet customer satisfaction.
The decision to sell them straight away as jpg's was made to ensure contributors would be able to generate revenue from their work without waiting for us to open NPG downloads. Going the other way would not have been fair on our end and might have hurt our sourcing ability.


 

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