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« on: August 26, 2008, 20:28 »
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Just found this site with microstock prints for sale. http://en.bilderking.com/photosearch/landscape,1000000.aspx

 Anyone know who these guys are?
« Last Edit: August 27, 2008, 01:06 by cdwheatley »


« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2008, 22:14 »
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Never heard of them but my whole portfolio is up there. I need to check this out more. Hope it's not a problem.

« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2008, 22:17 »
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Looks like its part of fotolia. At least their watermarks are on my images.

digiology

« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2008, 22:39 »
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Yeah my fotolia port is there too.

Did anyone click through to order a print? You can see how your work will look on a wall in different settings and configurations. Kind of fun to play with  :D :D

« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2008, 23:02 »
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Wow!

The database has over 4000000 pics!

I found over 50 of my photos, some that i never sold anywhere!

Fotolia has its name  on them.

This requires action, has fotolia given rights to a third party company to do this?

If not, how can we stop them?

« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2008, 23:49 »
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I wasn't aware we were getting print sales through fotolia. Could this possibly be one of those mirror sites they were talking about offering a while ago?

Another thing, It says 100,000 pictures sold on the website. Has anyone received any print royalties?

Image #'s are the same on fotolia.

It looks like image lic. is included in the print price. Is it possible we are only getting paid for the standard image lic.?? :( I really hope that is not the case or I could see another "meltdown" coming.  :o
« Last Edit: August 27, 2008, 01:03 by cdwheatley »

« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2008, 02:18 »
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So, does anyone know how to find out what FT contributors make for prints of their images sold there? - ignorant, but not blissful

« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2008, 03:36 »
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I wasn't aware we were getting print sales through fotolia. Could this possibly be one of those mirror sites they were talking about offering a while ago?

Another thing, It says 100,000 pictures sold on the website. Has anyone received any print royalties?

Image #'s are the same on fotolia.

It looks like image lic. is included in the print price. Is it possible we are only getting paid for the standard image lic.?? :( I really hope that is not the case or I could see another "meltdown" coming.  :o

The way i see it is they only purchase the standard XL size. IMO they need the EL license for this... !!!
It's like some other sites have print/canvas on demand.... and i'm pretty sure an EL license needs to be purchased.

Patrick H.

« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2008, 03:43 »
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It looks to me like it is set up so that  the buyer purchases the licence which then gives him the rights to print an image for his own use.  So the company are actually selling the printing not the image in itself.
Don't know if this is legal or if they have found a loophole.
« Last Edit: August 27, 2008, 03:46 by fotografer »

« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2008, 03:45 »
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double post

« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2008, 04:03 »
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they've probably got a subscription

« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2008, 10:19 »
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It looks to me like it is set up so that  the buyer purchases the licence which then gives him the rights to print an image for his own use.  So the company are actually selling the printing not the image in itself.
Don't know if this is legal or if they have found a loophole.

I think you might be right, and if its a subscription as "clearviewstock" mentioned thats even more depressing. I could see these prints selling quite a bit with the prices being so cheap.  wow!!  :( ouch!! 32cents on a $150.00 print??


« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2008, 10:29 »
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It looks to me like it is set up so that  the buyer purchases the licence which then gives him the rights to print an image for his own use.  So the company are actually selling the printing not the image in itself.
Don't know if this is legal or if they have found a loophole.

I think you might be right, and if its a subscription as "clearviewstock" mentioned thats even more depressing. I could see these prints selling quite a bit with the prices being so cheap.  wow!!  :( ouch!! 32cents on a $150.00 print??



If the site redirects you to fotolia for the picture, offering it.. isn't it so they are actually buying the picture... because it also states :
including ...$ for picture.
The customer only makes a choice.

Patrick H.

« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2008, 10:42 »
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I looks like they figured out a way to cut the artist almost totally out of the $$ picture. Feeling a little bent over at this point!!!

« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2008, 10:45 »
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I looks like they figured out a way to cut the artist almost totally out of the $$ picture. Feeling a little bent over at this point!!!

Could be interesting to check their workflow and actually order a print... see if we need to buy the picture or not...hm.. if it weren't for the distance..................

Patrick H.

« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2008, 11:17 »
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I looks like they figured out a way to cut the artist almost totally out of the $$ picture. Feeling a little bent over at this point!!!

Could be interesting to check their workflow and actually order a print... see if we need to buy the picture or not...hm.. if it weren't for the distance..................

Patrick H.

Right, we need someone in Germany to order one and see what happens...Somehow I get the feeling its going to register 32 cents at fotolia..I hope its not the case. Smells really fishy!! obviously, this company didn't buy an extended license for any of those 4 million images. We should be getting a percentage of the sales like on Istock.

« Reply #16 on: August 27, 2008, 11:28 »
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I looks like they figured out a way to cut the artist almost totally out of the $$ picture. Feeling a little bent over at this point!!!

Could be interesting to check their workflow and actually order a print... see if we need to buy the picture or not...hm.. if it weren't for the distance..................

Patrick H.

Right, we need someone in Germany to order one and see what happens...Somehow I get the feeling its going to register 32 cents at fotolia..I hope its not the case. Smells really fishy!! obviously, this company didn't buy an extended license for any of those 4 million images. We should be getting a percentage of the sales like on Istock.

I live in Belgium,... so, i placed an order for one of my more artistic ones, present for the model... now i'm curious what licence they buy it at Fotolia....
Yup, i ddin't have to buy the picture, the site is buying the picture.
I'll keep you guys updated as soon as the purchase went trought fotolia.

Patrick H.

« Reply #17 on: August 27, 2008, 11:58 »
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just had a look at the license terms at fotolia :
http://us.fotolia.com/Info/RoyaltyFreePhotos

As I read it I can buy an image and use it as home decoration.
However, the site is purchasing the image, printing it and reselling it... that constitutes a poster sale, which is not allowed under standard license.

Patrick H.

« Reply #18 on: August 27, 2008, 12:04 »
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right, definate loophole..Patrick, have you registered a sale yet for the image you just purchased? It sounds like a pretty good deal for the print shop. 4 million images and they only have to pay out a few bucks for each sale. No skin off of fotolia's back either, just another new market for them.

« Reply #19 on: August 27, 2008, 12:09 »
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OMG!  >:(

If this is legal, then absolutely anyone could start a business selling prints (on canvas, etc) by having customer actually buy the standard license as step one.

And, if that is the case, it would be useful to know if the stock photography site is in actual partnership with the print sellers, or if it is similarly being loop-holed out of EL license price.

For, I may not be able to stop print sites if this is a (horribly unethical) legal loophole, but  I certainly can stop dealing with any stock photography site X if it chooses to be in "cahoots" with the print site - if pressure from stock contributors is not viable, successful.   - ann


It looks to me like it is set up so that  the buyer purchases the licence which then gives him the rights to print an image for his own use.  So the company are actually selling the printing not the image in itself.
Don't know if this is legal or if they have found a loophole.

I think you might be right, and if its a subscription as "clearviewstock" mentioned thats even more depressing. I could see these prints selling quite a bit with the prices being so cheap.  wow!!  :( ouch!! 32cents on a $150.00 print??



If the site redirects you to fotolia for the picture, offering it.. isn't it so they are actually buying the picture... because it also states :
including ...$ for picture.
The customer only makes a choice.

Patrick H.
« Last Edit: August 27, 2008, 12:17 by ann »

« Reply #20 on: August 27, 2008, 12:10 »
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right, definate loophole..Patrick, have you registered a sale yet for the image you just purchased? It sounds like a pretty good deal for the print shop. 4 million images and they only have to pay out a few bucks for each sale. No skin off of fotolia's back either, just another new market for them.


Yup, just got the mail with the confirmation of my order.
I'm still waiting for the fotolia purchase.
I choose one of my newest pictures, no downloads yet, just approved this week....



Studying the chart on fotolia i would say those prints constitutes also under the Derivative Resale Objects license.

Patrick H.
« Last Edit: August 27, 2008, 12:12 by patrick1958 »

jsnover

« Reply #21 on: August 27, 2008, 12:23 »
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Obviously this isn't my fight any more, but I'd strongly suggest making loud noises to FT about this as I'm certain they have approved this usage given the API the site needs to serve up FT's content.

In the past something like this came up with some content from BigStock, but that was handled differently and was fair to contributors. The site purchased web licenses for the images they wanted to offer on canvas (it was a selection, not the whole collection like this case). If they sold one they then got to buy the appropriate EL - i.e. they didn't have to speculate on sales and buy the EL up front.

Avoiding the EL altogether is just wrong - there's profit in those 150 euro sales, not just print costs, but the only reason anyone's buying is because of the contributor's image.

Don't allow FT to get away with this end run around ELs (especially if the site has a subscription).

grp_photo

« Reply #22 on: August 27, 2008, 12:36 »
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Its okay for me.
My artistic pictures certainly don't end up at Fotolia if they want print isolated toilet rolls on canvas i say go for it ;D
Sure the company could make a lot of money but you are free to do the same and create a shop like this.
I don't have much problems with such single private usages that is really the new market the istock-admins always babbled about.
I have a problem with the wide commercial usage and print circulation for pictures.

« Reply #23 on: August 27, 2008, 12:57 »
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found mine too,
this is what they say about licence...

"All images on BilderKing are privided by an stock image agency (Fotolia) and are property of their authors. For the one time print on customer order its required to gain an image license. For best printing results the license with highest resolution is automatically selected. The license is included in each sale price and the shown license fee is payed to the image agency for each sale. This is also true for the topseller selection.
Commercial resale of the printed pictures is not allowed. If you want the printed pictures for commercial resale, please contact the image agency for an appropriate license first."

« Reply #24 on: August 27, 2008, 13:19 »
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I can't see what is so bad about this.  I put my photos on a site that sold prints and I only sold 1, so there doesn't seem to be a great demand for them.  Anyone can buy my photos from the sites and get a print made, what makes this different?


 

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