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« Reply #50 on: July 09, 2008, 14:45 »
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I submit one or two first  if they get accepted I take my chance but I was not lucky this week  >:(


graficallyminded

« Reply #51 on: July 10, 2008, 20:31 »
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That's what I've been doing in the past month.  When I see that there's improvement, I'll begin pushing the images through.  I am probably up to around 200-250 by now, sitting and waiting for me to categorize and submit them. 

Has anyone seen any improvement in reviewing lately?

« Reply #52 on: July 10, 2008, 23:24 »
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Well I certainly haven't seen any improvement - 20% accepted on my last batch of 10.

Anyone else notice increasing review times?  They were one of the fastest to review my stuff until recently.  Now I wait 4 or 5 days to get the rejections.

c h e e r s
fred

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« Reply #53 on: July 11, 2008, 10:35 »
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I was just wondering if Fotolia is somehow taking the photographer's ranking into considering how many images to allow to get through (Acceptance/Rejection).  In other words - if a photog has a ranking of say 3000 or lower  ???,  the photographer will get 80% or more rejected. ::)
Someone who has a ranking of 2000 or higher will perhaps get 80% or more accepted.

Just wondering?

« Reply #54 on: July 11, 2008, 10:41 »
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No. my rank is very low and at least 50%-%70 are accepted.

« Reply #55 on: July 11, 2008, 10:42 »
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I was just wondering if Fotolia is somehow taking the photographer's ranking into considering how many images to allow to get through (Acceptance/Rejection).  In other words - if a photog has a ranking of say 3000 or lower  ???,  the photographer will get 80% or more rejected. ::)
Someone who has a ranking of 2000 or higher will perhaps get 80% or more accepted.

Just wondering?

Nop , doesnt work that way , at least in my case , but I havent uploaded nothin for long , maybe something has changed.

« Reply #56 on: July 11, 2008, 10:57 »
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I was just wondering if Fotolia is somehow taking the photographer's ranking into considering how many images to allow to get through (Acceptance/Rejection).  In other words - if a photog has a ranking of say 3000 or lower  ???,  the photographer will get 80% or more rejected. ::)
Someone who has a ranking of 2000 or higher will perhaps get 80% or more accepted.

Just wondering?

Dont think ranking has anything to do with aproval ratio. If I make 100 crappy images, they will reject them, If they are good, they will aprove them. Show us some of your rejections, and we will tell you is it about image, or ranking issue....

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« Reply #57 on: July 11, 2008, 11:03 »
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Peter - All you have to do is look at my images on DT - I submit the sme images to both sites, but nothing seems to be good enough for FT anymore.  BTW - The last batch I sent to SS had 75% accepted, but FT Rejected 90%?  Gues FT has the only professional reviewers.

It really isn't a problem since I'm doing ok on four other sites.  Of course I'm not as good as you - so that would account for my having a tougher time.

« Reply #58 on: July 11, 2008, 11:13 »
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I wonder ... there was Chode from Bosnia having thousands of images on FT, he disappeared and now it is Peter also from Bosnia ...


CofkoCof

« Reply #59 on: July 11, 2008, 11:26 »
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I wonder ... there was Chode from Bosnia having thousands of images on FT, he disappeared and now it is Peter also from Bosnia ...


I think chode is now dinostock (on fotolia), just like his web site. Don't know if hes the Peter on msg :D
« Last Edit: July 11, 2008, 11:28 by CofkoCof »

« Reply #60 on: July 11, 2008, 11:31 »
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Yeah, I changed my profile name a little bit. :)

graficallyminded

« Reply #61 on: July 11, 2008, 12:36 »
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Yeah, same here.  The same images FT rejects are passing the test on SS, BigStock, StockXpert, DT and many more.  I hope they're aware of this.

« Reply #62 on: July 11, 2008, 13:00 »
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I stopped uploading there about 6 months ago, tried once again to see if the Attila was gone but alas was still there, I sent them an email but they don't care about loosing artists. There vectors take extra work and they are the only site that wants svgs and they reject 60% of my work that is accepted 100% on other sites. I will leave Fotolia to the hungry people, I prefer to submit to sites that at least listen to feedback. At the beginning of F2 they accepted everything, so I decided to upload my port and half way through uploading they hired Attila and that ended that. They remind me of Istock YUCK!

« Reply #63 on: July 11, 2008, 15:31 »
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I try not to get mad about all these rejections (SS takes 95% of my stuff, while the same images get rejected to 95% at fotolia...) I would not even bother with that company any more - but unfortunately, they sell my stuff quite well. With only 450  images (due to all that rejections) and being there just for 3 months or so, I make about 100 - 200$ every month. To much to give it up. But I keep on thinking, what I could earn there with the 1000 oder 1500 images that I have online at other sites.... >:(

I better just don't even think about it....

« Reply #64 on: July 11, 2008, 15:43 »
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hopefully they'll come around (especially with the new subscription setup) when they realize they're buyers will switch to sites with new fresh images...or they'll die : )

« Reply #65 on: July 15, 2008, 05:03 »
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I have recently decided to give FL a second chance and uploaded the remainder of my portfolio there. 178 files were uploaded. They had between 50% and 75% approval ratio at IS, DT, 123RF and CanStockPhoto. Here is the breakdown of FL rejections:

122 - Overabundant photo category
18 - Type of photograph
17 - Quality of the photograph
10 - Technical problems
1 - Similar photograph

10 - Selected

In other words approval ratio of this relatively large and diverse sample group was only 5,61% !!!  >:( My overall current FL Approval ratio (if one can call it that) is 24,59%

My conclusion is that it is a waste of time and bandwidth to upload to FL.

EDIT: Added 2 newly-rejected files to the calculation  :-\
« Last Edit: July 15, 2008, 08:57 by Nemo1024 »

« Reply #66 on: July 15, 2008, 06:01 »
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Well, my rejection rate at FT has soared over the last few months also but I look at this a different way.  What I am interested in is sell through rate - i.e. what percentage of my images get sold once they are approved.  In this category FT is my number 2 agency trailing only SS.

I have found that the agencies that sell my stuff the best are the ones that reject the most and to me that is the bottom line.

fred

« Reply #67 on: July 15, 2008, 06:04 »
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Nemo, that is enough to put off even the most hardened Microstocker.
I dont know what the game is, but it's not nice.

« Reply #68 on: July 15, 2008, 06:22 »
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Fred - I do see your point and it's valid, but mass rejections can really dampen the spirit.
One has to question why this big turn around at FT, when before quite a lot of images were accepted.

In the long run and even short run, I think it will shy off new contributors.

« Reply #69 on: July 15, 2008, 06:54 »
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A substantial amount of files that have sold at IS and DT have been rejected by FL. For me, FL's sell ratio is the same as for CanStockPhoto - almost non-existent. IS and DT give the best return on ulpoad time. :)

« Reply #70 on: July 17, 2008, 18:41 »
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I have been submitting a variety of different images to them lately, including illustrations, isolated objects, food, and landscapes. They are accepting just about everything except my landscapes. I think the reviewers were told to reject all landscapes or something. And before someone tells me my landscapes are crap here is my website where you can see for yourself-
www.rasmussenimages.com
 I don't really care that much anyway because there are better places to sell landscapes than the micros. Fotolia just rejected a few of my leftovers from before I started selling my landscapes as rights managed at places like Alamy.

jsnover

« Reply #71 on: July 17, 2008, 18:50 »
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Well, my rejection rate at FT has soared over the last few months also but I look at this a different way.  What I am interested in is sell through rate - i.e. what percentage of my images get sold once they are approved.  In this category FT is my number 2 agency trailing only SS.

I have found that the agencies that sell my stuff the best are the ones that reject the most and to me that is the bottom line.

I think your mistake is in assuming that these two things - high rejection rate and high sales - are in any way related.

If you had asked me 2, 4, 8 or 12 months ago, I'd have told you that Fotolia was a doing really well - regularly one of the top 3 earners and sometimes challenging the two big dogs for the #1 spot.

In the last month, some folks have reported stellar sales at FT and I've seen the bottom drop out of sales there. They've changed something in the default search and as is typically the case, there are winners and losers.

Be happy your sales are great, but don't assume that it'll stay that way. Next spin of the wheel when they tweak the search engine and your sales might drop.

I don't know how long you've been selling through the micros or how many sites you sell through, but about the only constant is change (and SS being in the top 3 earners).

« Reply #72 on: July 17, 2008, 23:59 »
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Well, my rejection rate at FT has soared over the last few months also but I look at this a different way.  What I am interested in is sell through rate - i.e. what percentage of my images get sold once they are approved.  In this category FT is my number 2 agency trailing only SS.

I have found that the agencies that sell my stuff the best are the ones that reject the most and to me that is the bottom line.

I think your mistake is in assuming that these two things - high rejection rate and high sales - are in any way related.

If you had asked me 2, 4, 8 or 12 months ago, I'd have told you that Fotolia was a doing really well - regularly one of the top 3 earners and sometimes challenging the two big dogs for the #1 spot.

In the last month, some folks have reported stellar sales at FT and I've seen the bottom drop out of sales there. They've changed something in the default search and as is typically the case, there are winners and losers.

Be happy your sales are great, but don't assume that it'll stay that way. Next spin of the wheel when they tweak the search engine and your sales might drop.

I don't know how long you've been selling through the micros or how many sites you sell through, but about the only constant is change (and SS being in the top 3 earners).

Guilty as charged! I should have explained that this was a general observation that seemed to be a logical fit.  However, it is the result of the analysis of far to small a sample to be have any great validity.

I have been submitting to MS for about 18 months but still only have portfolios averaging about 125 images on 5 sites so no great depth of specialized experience with the trade.

That said though, it would seem to me that the only way to really judge the quality of reviewers is the submitters' sell through rates.  SS seems to be the best performer here from most of the numbers I have seen for this stat.  I think that can be partly explained by the quality of their reviewers but the fact that it is a subscription only site probably also has great significance. 

Would be interested in hearing of others experience regarding reviewer quality vis-a-vis sell through rate.  Results from a larger sample might be revealing.

c h e e r s
fred

« Reply #73 on: July 18, 2008, 08:24 »
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What's consistent about Fotolias revue process is the inconsistancy of the results!   :)

graficallyminded

« Reply #74 on: July 18, 2008, 08:29 »
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Some days on Fotolia you can actullay get 50% to 75% approved, I guess it all depends on which reviewers are working at the moment.  It's the same thing at Shutterstock - a lot of days I get 75% rejected.  I submit at least 20 new images every weekday, and that gets to be a lot of work submitting on Fotolia with the cumbersome upload process (categories aren't bad, but the reordering of the keywords in a P.I.T.A.)

Thanks Nemo for your breakdown - hang in there man.  You're not alone in the frustration.


 

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