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« Reply #175 on: September 24, 2011, 10:27 »
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I do not go to the Microstockexpo. But I start to regret to not have the possibility to say those imbeciles right into the face what I think of them.

Yeah, everyone should give the FT and IS reps dope slaps.


« Reply #176 on: September 24, 2011, 10:43 »
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I would not associate receipt of the email with anything.  It's right there on the site and applicable to all

« Reply #177 on: September 24, 2011, 10:46 »
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I would not associate receipt of the email with anything.  It's right there on the site and applicable to all

that make sense, I had that in mind too but weird how some got and other not

« Reply #178 on: September 24, 2011, 10:58 »
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Incompetence and maliciousness and all that.

« Reply #179 on: September 24, 2011, 11:04 »
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I would not associate receipt of the email with anything.  It's right there on the site and applicable to all
I agree completely with you. Just because I didn't get one I don't feel any less vunerable than those that did.

« Reply #180 on: September 24, 2011, 11:10 »
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Now who's making "absurd, hysterical statements that you can't possibly back up with any facts." See? You're just like anyone else around here. Stop being arrogant, and try to discuss the issue instead of trying to get into a mud fight with others.

Actually I can. We've had at least 6 Emerald status contributors already report in on this thread, 5 of whom I know well, and none of them have said that they have been reduced to White although 3 of them have received the email. It is not going to happen to such contributors. It would be commercial suicide for FT to do so.

Personally I think it is extremely 'arrogant' behaviour on your part to invent stories about mythical 'friends' and obfuscate a serious discussion on a subject affecting peoples' livelihoods.

XPTO

« Reply #181 on: September 24, 2011, 11:54 »
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Now who's making "absurd, hysterical statements that you can't possibly back up with any facts." See? You're just like anyone else around here. Stop being arrogant, and try to discuss the issue instead of trying to get into a mud fight with others.

Actually I can. We've had at least 6 Emerald status contributors already report in on this thread, 5 of whom I know well, and none of them have said that they have been reduced to White although 3 of them have received the email. It is not going to happen to such contributors. It would be commercial suicide for FT to do so.

Personally I think it is extremely 'arrogant' behaviour on your part to invent stories about mythical 'friends' and obfuscate a serious discussion on a subject affecting peoples' livelihoods.

Listen, you've got serious ego problems when you consider that the 5 or 6 emerald members you mention are the whole universe of contributors and you're friend of all of them.

Your statement values ZERO, NADA, NOTHING as far as the whole number of contributors are concerned. I mentioned one case of an emerald that told me that his rank dropped to white.

Contrary to you I'm not making global statements, just mentioning one case. If it's not true than my friend either did not expressed well or lied to me. I cannot say more than this. Shall I ask for his account user and password to give it to you to satisfy you over-bloated ego? Getta a grip...

More, it's pathetic and even a little sad that you're making statements about what FL is going or not going to do, based on unfunded presumptions of your part about the importance contributors have to FL. At this moment we have:

1 - a clear communication from FL about what they intend to do
2 - answers from FL reinforcing that same message - ask your emerald friends, if they are not imaginary "too", who contacted support if this is not true, or if they are answering them that this is just a joke
3 - a history record from FL where they end up implementing all the changes they intend, sometimes with a little tweak, but implementing them nevertheless

This is also my livelihood as I'm a  professional stock contributor, and it's you who's playing with people by saying that nothing will happen when all points that it will at this moment. Your prophecies about FL management decisions have no value and are absolutely unfunded based all that we know now. Maybe you end up being right, but at this moment you're just spiting to the air and contradicting the idea that you only work and talk about facts. Saaaad...

I won't answer to you anymore since I want to discuss this issue seriously as I've been doing, and don't want to feed your ego.

« Reply #182 on: September 24, 2011, 11:59 »
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Will Fotolia return level if "offending" agencies raise their prices?
« Last Edit: September 24, 2011, 12:01 by borg »

« Reply #183 on: September 24, 2011, 12:13 »
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Why would emeralds sell their wares anywhere for less than what a white gets on FT?

« Reply #184 on: September 24, 2011, 12:32 »
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Why would emeralds sell their wares anywhere for less than what a white gets on FT?

Most of them are probably at IS which has a lower percentage than white (according to FT "new" math - the actual percentage might be higher).

donding

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« Reply #185 on: September 24, 2011, 12:49 »
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I am so glad I dropped them back when they cut prices over a year ago. This sounds like the same thing all over again. Everyone talking about a revolt, but in the end everyone decides to swallow and take it. Same thing with iStock. I'm guilty as most of you are with iStock because I still have my port on there. I deleted everything but my sellers and haven't uploaded since September. I wouldn't be surprised if the same thing doesn't happen with Fotolia.

Not that my opinion really counts around here but I feel like microstock in general is driving itself into the ground. I really feel sorry for those of you that have to completely rely on microstock for your living because those are the ones who are really getting screwed.

« Reply #186 on: September 24, 2011, 12:54 »
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Is there still that page showing who's got to emerald, ruby etc? If so, it might be revealing if someone took a screen shot of it to see if any of the elite drop off it.

« Reply #187 on: September 24, 2011, 12:58 »
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So, all this mean that non-exclusive contributor is not fully non-exclusive for Fotolia... Is this legal?
Are my other portfolios, on other sites, are my private matter?

Also my portfolios on other agencies is not completely equal to portfolio on Fotolia?  Could be with total different images....

I think this can be for court...
« Last Edit: September 24, 2011, 13:11 by borg »

« Reply #188 on: September 24, 2011, 13:19 »
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I think this can be for court...

You might well be right, but in what country are you going to sue them? :-\

« Reply #189 on: September 24, 2011, 13:20 »
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I would not associate receipt of the email with anything.  It's right there on the site and applicable to all

I never received the two emails from Fotolia about commission cuts this year either. Unfortunately the cuts did apply to me anyway... (and then I deleted my small portfolio when I found out)

velocicarpo

« Reply #190 on: September 24, 2011, 14:04 »
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I think this can be for court...

You might well be right, but in what country are you going to sue them? :-\

They are based in the US...

velocicarpo

« Reply #191 on: September 24, 2011, 14:11 »
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Sueing Fotolia: Go to Elance.com. Find a lawyer which is specialized in media law. Let him analyze the situation. It is not THAT expensive and much more effective than deleting your Port.

Better if you are based in the States. Maybe you have a relative in the legal system?

I consider this option....

donding

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« Reply #192 on: September 24, 2011, 14:17 »
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Wish I was a lawyer with a million dollars in assets....I'd sue the pants off of them and double my assets....lol

« Reply #193 on: September 24, 2011, 14:25 »
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8 pages of countless posts and I am going to be the only one who actually agrees with this new policy from Fotolia.
Not only that I agree, but I would also love, love Shutterstock and Dreamstime to follow suit.

In my opinion this is not about some unknown 'offending' agencies out there.
This is clearly about IStock (driving everyone down, again!) and forcing independents to submit to ThinkStock.

The only way to stop ThinkStock and Getty from completely taking over the industry is for the other agencies themselves to take a stand. If we leave it to photographers, the battle is lost.
Photographers, newbies or professionals the same, will never, ever stop uploading.
No matter how low the Getty commission, no matter how measly IStock's 0.7 cent payments.
They will not do it.
They will never delete their ports and they will keep on uploading to ThinkStock, image after image, more and more, all the while hiding behind flimsy logics and sorry excuses.
This is not simply about money.
This is about pure greed.  
Not money, or necessity, or the sad stories about, 'I can't afford to leave IStock because my 5 children are so sick and in hospitals', and not even the newer ThinkSock theory, -'It's OK to submit to ThinkStock because ThinkStock cannot hurt SS' holds any water or substance.
These are nothing but excuses.
Excuses to fuel photographers' greed.

I have been secretly hoping for such a statement from an agency for a long time.
And I hope that Shutterstock and Dreamstime follow suit soon.
Go on SS and DT, do it!
And don't worry about photographers deleting their ports.
They never will.

nruboc

« Reply #194 on: September 24, 2011, 15:11 »
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8 pages of countless posts and I am going to be the only one who actually agrees with this new policy from Fotolia.
Not only that I agree, but I would also love, love Shutterstock and Dreamstime to follow suit.

In my opinion this is not about some unknown 'offending' agencies out there.
This is clearly about IStock (driving everyone down, again!) and forcing independents to submit to ThinkStock.

The only way to stop ThinkStock and Getty from completely taking over the industry is for the other agencies themselves to take a stand. If we leave it to photographers, the battle is lost.
Photographers, newbies or professionals the same, will never, ever stop uploading.
No matter how low the Getty commission, no matter how measly IStock's 0.7 cent payments.
They will not do it.
They will never delete their ports and they will keep on uploading to ThinkStock, image after image, more and more, all the while hiding behind flimsy logics and sorry excuses.
This is not simply about money.
This is about pure greed.  
Not money, or necessity, or the sad stories about, 'I can't afford to leave IStock because my 5 children are so sick and in hospitals', and not even the newer ThinkSock theory, -'It's OK to submit to ThinkStock because ThinkStock cannot hurt SS' holds any water or substance.
These are nothing but excuses.
Excuses to fuel photographers' greed.

I have been secretly hoping for such a statement from an agency for a long time.
And I hope that Shutterstock and Dreamstime follow suit soon.
Go on SS and DT, do it!
And don't worry about photographers deleting their ports.
They never will.

Sorry, I expressed by approval on Page 3. I agree with you post too though :)

« Reply #195 on: September 24, 2011, 15:24 »
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I'm Emerald at FT and also received the email. Not sure what to make of all this at the present time but I speechless!
I for one would love to know what sites are in question that they are talking about.
You would also think that this news would be posted over at the FT forum to discuss!
Incredible!

« Reply #196 on: September 24, 2011, 15:36 »
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You would also think that this news would be posted over at the FT forum to discuss!
Incredible!

Will never happen because they will muzzle the contributors.

nruboc

« Reply #197 on: September 24, 2011, 15:37 »
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Actually, it's awesome, finally this might put an end to the race to the bottom. Props to Fotolia.

« Reply #198 on: September 24, 2011, 16:02 »
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Not only that I agree, but I would also love, love Shutterstock and Dreamstime to follow suit.

So you want to be paid a uniform commission rate by all sites at the lowest level of any site  you currently subscribe to. That will be 16% on credit sales to match Fotolia and probably 24c on subscriptions to match DT. It seems an odd thing to wish for but you are entitled to your opinion.

« Reply #199 on: September 24, 2011, 16:04 »
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Wow, been away just one day and find this long thread. Too much to catch up with, but that's interesting.

Really, these guys must sit everyday on a meeting room and brainstorm new ways to squeeze money out of us... I'm still silver, if that makes any difference.


 

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