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« Reply #50 on: April 28, 2022, 09:46 »
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3) Adding detailed information, location, keywords or concept word combinations, will still help get an image found. Updating older images may not change the rank, but it will make the image more searchable.

Well that is either incorrect or outdated or both. You cannot put concept ideas in keywords. I mean I know its obvious you should and only a halfwit would think you shouldn't but it isnt permitted.
E.g you cannot have a photograph of just a tray of bulbs (plants) and use keywords like gardening, borders, flower bed, planting, etc. Although invoking words that are clearly linked to the image or conceptually linked you cannot use them.

Keywords are: type what you see.

A duck nestling in a clump of grass cannot have pond as a keyword if a pond is not visible.

The rule is so ambiguous as to be moronic but there we are.

??? Rule? No it's a summary of what they said was happening and how the system works. My words from their webinar. GO WATCH THE TWO VIDEOS PLEASE?

Who says you can put concept ideas in keywords? Who says it's not permitted.

The reviewer who processed my images and rejected them because I added the words pond and life. There was no pond. There was a dragonfly. There was no pond  ::) but I wasn't allowed to have pond  or pondlife nor amphibian. Fair do on that though they are amphibious for some of the year, and not aquatic so the images were rejected. I pointed out that when you search for flying pond life the images that come back are dragonflies but Matt said no but passed them as a special one time never to be repeated exception but he manually removed those keywords. No pond. Not even a puddle.

Who's a moron, the person who includes concepts or the one who doesn't?
:o erm neither what. That's not what I wrote is it? * checks* no I said the rule was moronic. I assumed you cut and paste the rules or guidelines from somehwere. But ok then point 3. I mean I quoted it but if you want to split molecules fair enough lol. I love the intensity of your reply though Peter ... WHO' S A MORON ... lol.


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« Reply #51 on: April 29, 2022, 09:29 »
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3) Adding detailed information, location, keywords or concept word combinations, will still help get an image found. Updating older images may not change the rank, but it will make the image more searchable.

Well that is either incorrect or outdated or both. You cannot put concept ideas in keywords. I mean I know its obvious you should and only a halfwit would think you shouldn't but it isnt permitted.
E.g you cannot have a photograph of just a tray of bulbs (plants) and use keywords like gardening, borders, flower bed, planting, etc. Although invoking words that are clearly linked to the image or conceptually linked you cannot use them.

Keywords are: type what you see.

A duck nestling in a clump of grass cannot have pond as a keyword if a pond is not visible.

The rule is so ambiguous as to be moronic but there we are.

??? Rule? No it's a summary of what they said was happening and how the system works. My words from their webinar. GO WATCH THE TWO VIDEOS PLEASE?

Who says you can put concept ideas in keywords? Who says it's not permitted.

The reviewer who processed my images and rejected them because I added the words pond and life. There was no pond. There was a dragonfly. There was no pond  ::) but I wasn't allowed to have pond  or pondlife nor amphibian. Fair do on that though they are amphibious for some of the year, and not aquatic so the images were rejected. I pointed out that when you search for flying pond life the images that come back are dragonflies but Matt said no but passed them as a special one time never to be repeated exception but he manually removed those keywords. No pond. Not even a puddle.

Who's a moron, the person who includes concepts or the one who doesn't?
:o erm neither what. That's not what I wrote is it? * checks* no I said the rule was moronic. I assumed you cut and paste the rules or guidelines from somehwere. But ok then point 3. I mean I quoted it but if you want to split molecules fair enough lol. I love the intensity of your reply though Peter ... WHO' S A MORON ... lol.

Yeah some days?   :) But you said, and this is what I was responding to. "You cannot put concept ideas in keywords. I mean I know its obvious you should and only a halfwit would think you shouldn't but it isnt permitted. "

Yes you can put concept ideas in keywords, and yes it is permitted.

Splitting atoms, we're going small here? Nothing special to Quark about.

Please watch the videos, I just did a summary of main points for discussion. The video is a video, there's no transcript that I know if.

zeljkok

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« Reply #52 on: April 29, 2022, 15:39 »
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I am seeing lately sharp increase of first-time downloads, images older than 1 year.  I did not mess with keywords.   Change of algorithm?  I don't think so ... probably just seasonal need.  But worth noting.


« Reply #53 on: April 30, 2022, 00:40 »
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Thank you Jo Ann and Wilm. I was in fact doing very well in the German market and whenever I tried english keywords it didn't do well at all in the algorithm, because international buyers were more likely to be shown images from their own currency's area. That was changed with Adobe.

Back to the problem: thanks Mat, but right now it has completely changed again. The translation is working again, which is good, but the algorithm was obviously radically changed. For keywords to which I had several images on the first page, I now have none. I think they are tweaking things right now and hope it will become better than it was before.

Again, I can't speak to the algorithm here as I'm not aware of any changes, however I can say that if your content is region specific, such as travel, cuisine or tradition, you should add metadata in the local language assuming you are fluent. If the region is irrelevant to the content and you are fluent in English, then index in English and allow the translator to do its job. If however, you find that you need to use Google translate or are uncertain about your English fluency, you should always index in your primary language.

-Mat

if your content is region specific, such as travel, cuisine or tradition, you should add metadata in the local language assuming you are fluent.

But do NOT do it for countries, which are not supported by Adobe anymore like all poor countries especially Moslem countries. So even your travel photos from Turkey will not appear in any search, if the customer does not change the regiion on the very bottom of the page - where nobody will find it and usually nobody knows about it.

@Matt: This time you will answer?
(Sorry, but it hurts me each time again when i read about this region selection which IS discriminating!)

It sounds like you are misunderstanding the way search works. If you upload a photo taken in Turkey and you are in Turkey, there is a chance you would not see this image in search depending on the subject matter of the image. However, the image would still be available in most other countries and can be sold.

-Mat
Mat, you certainly did something, my sales page suddenly got stuck! 🥹🥹


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« Reply #54 on: April 30, 2022, 00:58 »
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Im referring to videos. I know that you, Mat, youre not directly responsible for the algorithm changes, but maybe you could know if there are temporary issues with the videos search engine. Thanks


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Uncle Pete

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« Reply #55 on: May 02, 2022, 11:59 »
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I carried this bit over from the SSTK area.

This must be related to your easter motifs, Firn. Maybe there is a change in the algo for easter, where images containing the search term easter are pushed for a certain period before easter.

This is towards the whole discussion of rank and search and how images are displayed on the system at Adobe.  There are other factors that still can move an image up or down.  :) And I think you're right, this is a possible other factor.

I would say that seasonal and featured subjects are a good example of that. Of course, different subjects are pushed, by Adobe, seasonal, interest, trending or whatever reason they decide. Some of us will go up, some will go down, and some day there will be another change.

Not about your post, but others from time to time.

I really don't understand why some people think their images should always be first and once something is on the early pages, those images should always stay on the first pages.

One of my images is on page 3 of 100 pages. There are 32,730 results for US Bank Note Franklin Why shouldn't I be on page 1, why am I not on page 50? Someone has to be on page 99!

But why does anyone think they are so special that they should always be on the first pages and that they should never be re-ranked? The system is impersonal and sometimes arbitrary, and sometimes keywords or subjects will be featured or pushed back, for other trending, more interesting items for the buyers.

« Reply #56 on: May 02, 2022, 13:09 »
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Urgh never mind.
« Last Edit: May 02, 2022, 14:27 by Lowls »

« Reply #57 on: May 03, 2022, 08:31 »
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Urgh never mind.

Pond is not a concept it's a Noun.

« Reply #58 on: May 03, 2022, 08:38 »
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Changed algorithm means changed, not better for everyone or worse for everyone. Some images are moved further back, some are brought to the fore. That's what definitely happened. My sales are about the same as before, but there was a shift in WHAT sells. Some older best sellers were brought back from the dead and some other best sellers were disfavored. I had regularly checked the results for at least one very major keyword and I see different results on the first three pages since April, I mean all results, not just my own.

Also you can notice any algorithm changes if you go to your own portfolio and search for a keyword within it. The order that you see there is exactly how they appear in the main site's search. For example let's say you search for "flower" in your port and see image x at the top and then image y. Then you go to the main site and search for flower. Image x will be the first of your own images that you will find and image y will be the second, and so on. That's a fact, it was 100% and steadily confirmed for me, without any exceptions. Now if the algorithm changes, the sorting of your own images will suddenly be all over the place, and that's what happened.

Ah, so you are saying, someone shuffled the deck and dealt our new image ranks, in a different order. Interesting.

So that whole thing in the multiple webinars and files, and advice, about the rank being set in the first 30 days, isn't true anymore?

But being seen can change, I see you posted a quote. Rank is the same but page and search can be different. I think I'll buy in for seasonal or trending.

« Reply #59 on: May 03, 2022, 11:41 »
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Urgh never mind.

Pond is not a concept it's a Noun.

Obviously. Pond wasn't meant to be a concept. Pond was just an obvious word in the title and keyword that someone would type to find dragonflies. The title that was rejected stated something like "Golden ringed Dragonfly basking in the sun after feeding near a pond. Scientific name (Latin name). It was rejected for the scientific name and keyword pond, life. Pond insects. Flying pond bugs all find dragonflies in the search bar. But I wasn't allowed Pond because there was no pond. It was a stupid refusal. I won't debate that any longer because it is patently obviously a pond related subject. Or stream either is correct.

I believe I did point out various examples of this rigidity being lame. I stated that we could no longer have conceptual titles because a photo titled meditation would now have to become "woman sitting oddly alone in room. But we cant have room because only one wall can be seen. Prisoner becomes "young man sitting on generic bed against a wall wearing grey overalls. No prison visible.

I guess it comes down to how badly do adobe want their photos to be found. Not very in that case. And I'm a native speaker of English. So to throw these subjective obstacles in the way is tiresome. It was removed on my behalf and then published. Well I say refused it was placed in a limbo state until I corrected mistakes. After 3 goes I couldn't work out why which is why I asked for help and the explanation given that title must be in English not foriegn languages (Latin is the only name for some insects but whatever) that I can only title what is visible which makes conceptual ideas risky and that future repeated instances of rule breaking like this could result in 'keyword spamming' and closure of account.

Pond. Ok lol  jeeze

« Reply #60 on: May 03, 2022, 12:30 »
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The algorithm apparently changed a huge deal today, at least for me. My older files from the Fotolia times are keyworded in German, the newer ones in English. Now when I search for something, the translation doesn't work anymore. It means that my older, all times best sellers are not even considered by the search when the buyer uses an English keyword. This wans't the case until yesterday, because I happened to check something and it worked fine. Now even if I sort by downloads, any best seller with thousands of DLs is just not there. Can anybody run some tests and confirm this? Mat from Adobe, can you help please? I really hope something is temporarily wrong and this is not intentional. Thanks.



I have not been made aware of any changes to the system recently.

-Mat

Hey Mat,

Is there an Email or phone number I can call at Adobe for contributors. I'm having problems with my account.
« Last Edit: May 03, 2022, 12:34 by micahbree »

« Reply #61 on: May 03, 2022, 12:51 »
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The algorithm apparently changed a huge deal today, at least for me. My older files from the Fotolia times are keyworded in German, the newer ones in English. Now when I search for something, the translation doesn't work anymore. It means that my older, all times best sellers are not even considered by the search when the buyer uses an English keyword. This wans't the case until yesterday, because I happened to check something and it worked fine. Now even if I sort by downloads, any best seller with thousands of DLs is just not there. Can anybody run some tests and confirm this? Mat from Adobe, can you help please? I really hope something is temporarily wrong and this is not intentional. Thanks.



I have not been made aware of any changes to the system recently.

-Mat

Hey Mat,

Is there an Email or phone number I can call at Adobe for contributors. I'm having problems with my account.

[email protected]

« Reply #62 on: May 04, 2022, 08:57 »
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Urgh never mind.

Pond is not a concept it's a Noun.

Obviously. Pond wasn't meant to be a concept. Pond was just an obvious word in the title and keyword that someone would type to find dragonflies. The title that was rejected stated something like "Golden ringed Dragonfly basking in the sun after feeding near a pond. Scientific name (Latin name). It was rejected for the scientific name and keyword pond, life. Pond insects. Flying pond bugs all find dragonflies in the search bar. But I wasn't allowed Pond because there was no pond. It was a stupid refusal. I won't debate that any longer because it is patently obviously a pond related subject. Or stream either is correct.

I believe I did point out various examples of this rigidity being lame. I stated that we could no longer have conceptual titles because a photo titled meditation would now have to become "woman sitting oddly alone in room. But we cant have room because only one wall can be seen. Prisoner becomes "young man sitting on generic bed against a wall wearing grey overalls. No prison visible.

I guess it comes down to how badly do adobe want their photos to be found. Not very in that case. And I'm a native speaker of English. So to throw these subjective obstacles in the way is tiresome. It was removed on my behalf and then published. Well I say refused it was placed in a limbo state until I corrected mistakes. After 3 goes I couldn't work out why which is why I asked for help and the explanation given that title must be in English not foriegn languages (Latin is the only name for some insects but whatever) that I can only title what is visible which makes conceptual ideas risky and that future repeated instances of rule breaking like this could result in 'keyword spamming' and closure of account.

Pond. Ok lol  jeeze

Obviously you are wrong. I find many images with Latin names in title and many with concept words that you claim they don't allow. You are wrong or lying.

https://stock.adobe.com/search?k=dragonfly&search_type=default-asset-click&asset_id=469521372

Maybe you are just watched more because you are a keyword spammer and got caught.

« Reply #63 on: May 05, 2022, 03:01 »
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Urgh never mind.

Pond is not a concept it's a Noun.

Obviously. Pond wasn't meant to be a concept. Pond was just an obvious word in the title and keyword that someone would type to find dragonflies. The title that was rejected stated something like "Golden ringed Dragonfly basking in the sun after feeding near a pond. Scientific name (Latin name). It was rejected for the scientific name and keyword pond, life. Pond insects. Flying pond bugs all find dragonflies in the search bar. But I wasn't allowed Pond because there was no pond. It was a stupid refusal. I won't debate that any longer because it is patently obviously a pond related subject. Or stream either is correct.

I believe I did point out various examples of this rigidity being lame. I stated that we could no longer have conceptual titles because a photo titled meditation would now have to become "woman sitting oddly alone in room. But we cant have room because only one wall can be seen. Prisoner becomes "young man sitting on generic bed against a wall wearing grey overalls. No prison visible.

I guess it comes down to how badly do adobe want their photos to be found. Not very in that case. And I'm a native speaker of English. So to throw these subjective obstacles in the way is tiresome. It was removed on my behalf and then published. Well I say refused it was placed in a limbo state until I corrected mistakes. After 3 goes I couldn't work out why which is why I asked for help and the explanation given that title must be in English not foriegn languages (Latin is the only name for some insects but whatever) that I can only title what is visible which makes conceptual ideas risky and that future repeated instances of rule breaking like this could result in 'keyword spamming' and closure of account.

Pond. Ok lol  jeeze

Obviously you are wrong. I find many images with Latin names in title and many with concept words that you claim they don't allow. You are wrong or lying.

https://stock.adobe.com/search?k=dragonfly&search_type=default-asset-click&asset_id=469521372

Maybe you are just watched more because you are a keyword spammer and got caught.

I would be very careful calling people liars if I were you. A very silly post to make. And rather than make you look even more foolish I'll just ignore the rest of what you wrote, will write, have ever written. You will now be consigned to the ridiculous draw along with feather boas, dog paw washers, and verruca socks.

« Reply #64 on: May 06, 2022, 16:55 »
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What the chart shows is lower prices don't translate into more sales but rather the same or less sales and lower commissions.

« Reply #65 on: May 06, 2022, 17:28 »
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Same here 😳

« Reply #66 on: May 13, 2022, 06:34 »
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Urgh never mind.

Pond is not a concept it's a Noun.

Obviously. Pond wasn't meant to be a concept. Pond was just an obvious word in the title and keyword that someone would type to find dragonflies. The title that was rejected stated something like "Golden ringed Dragonfly basking in the sun after feeding near a pond. Scientific name (Latin name). It was rejected for the scientific name and keyword pond, life. Pond insects. Flying pond bugs all find dragonflies in the search bar. But I wasn't allowed Pond because there was no pond. It was a stupid refusal. I won't debate that any longer because it is patently obviously a pond related subject. Or stream either is correct.

I believe I did point out various examples of this rigidity being lame. I stated that we could no longer have conceptual titles because a photo titled meditation would now have to become "woman sitting oddly alone in room. But we cant have room because only one wall can be seen. Prisoner becomes "young man sitting on generic bed against a wall wearing grey overalls. No prison visible.

I guess it comes down to how badly do adobe want their photos to be found. Not very in that case. And I'm a native speaker of English. So to throw these subjective obstacles in the way is tiresome. It was removed on my behalf and then published. Well I say refused it was placed in a limbo state until I corrected mistakes. After 3 goes I couldn't work out why which is why I asked for help and the explanation given that title must be in English not foriegn languages (Latin is the only name for some insects but whatever) that I can only title what is visible which makes conceptual ideas risky and that future repeated instances of rule breaking like this could result in 'keyword spamming' and closure of account.

Pond. Ok lol  jeeze

Obviously you are wrong. I find many images with Latin names in title and many with concept words that you claim they don't allow. You are wrong or lying.

https://stock.adobe.com/search?k=dragonfly&search_type=default-asset-click&asset_id=469521372

Maybe you are just watched more because you are a keyword spammer and got caught.
I followed your link and many more have Latin names titles. You're right, that is allowed. Anyone who says it's not is obviously wrong and spreading misinformation.

Asian Groundling dragonfly (Brachythemis contaminata) by fish pond,

« Reply #67 on: May 14, 2022, 09:04 »
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Urgh never mind.

Pond is not a concept it's a Noun.

Obviously. Pond wasn't meant to be a concept. Pond was just an obvious word in the title and keyword that someone would type to find dragonflies. The title that was rejected stated something like "Golden ringed Dragonfly basking in the sun after feeding near a pond. Scientific name (Latin name). It was rejected for the scientific name and keyword pond, life. Pond insects. Flying pond bugs all find dragonflies in the search bar. But I wasn't allowed Pond because there was no pond. It was a stupid refusal. I won't debate that any longer because it is patently obviously a pond related subject. Or stream either is correct.

I believe I did point out various examples of this rigidity being lame. I stated that we could no longer have conceptual titles because a photo titled meditation would now have to become "woman sitting oddly alone in room. But we cant have room because only one wall can be seen. Prisoner becomes "young man sitting on generic bed against a wall wearing grey overalls. No prison visible.

I guess it comes down to how badly do adobe want their photos to be found. Not very in that case. And I'm a native speaker of English. So to throw these subjective obstacles in the way is tiresome. It was removed on my behalf and then published. Well I say refused it was placed in a limbo state until I corrected mistakes. After 3 goes I couldn't work out why which is why I asked for help and the explanation given that title must be in English not foriegn languages (Latin is the only name for some insects but whatever) that I can only title what is visible which makes conceptual ideas risky and that future repeated instances of rule breaking like this could result in 'keyword spamming' and closure of account.

Pond. Ok lol  jeeze

Obviously you are wrong. I find many images with Latin names in title and many with concept words that you claim they don't allow. You are wrong or lying.

https://stock.adobe.com/search?k=dragonfly&search_type=default-asset-click&asset_id=469521372

Maybe you are just watched more because you are a keyword spammer and got caught.
I followed your link and many more have Latin names titles. You're right, that is allowed. Anyone who says it's not is obviously wrong and spreading misinformation.

Asian Groundling dragonfly (Brachythemis contaminata) by fish pond,

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