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« on: March 25, 2022, 03:47 »
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I'm lead to understand that there are some people here who frequent this page who are connected with Adobe? If that is the case, do you know if there are any plans to redesign the Adobe submission/keywording page?

Out of all the stock site submission pages I use, it is in my view that Adobe Stock's submission page is one of the most poorly designed. The whole process of having to spend an age re-arranging the keywords in order of popularity - of which you have to scroll up and down the page constantly,  is unnecessarily cumbersome and time-consuming.

Whilst Shutterstock have many faults, they have a submission page that enables you to submit images far faster and easier than Adobe's submission page.


« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2022, 04:14 »
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I think it would already help A LOT if, whenever you have pushed one keyword to the top, the whole page would not also jump back to the top so that you have to scroll through all keywords again. That's really the only thing that annoys me and takes up more time than it needs to.

« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2022, 04:33 »
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turn your monitor vertical and it will solve the problem  ;D


Uncle Pete

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« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2022, 16:08 »
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Duly noted. We are aware there is a lot of opportunity for improvement in the portal. I don't have any updates or eta's to share with you however. Thank you for the feedback, it does get seen.

-Mat

You mean like lifetime stats for images?  ;)  Or some better information that's useful about our collections, instead of 13 months and it's another search.

Can't complain about sales, Adobe is the top now.

« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2022, 06:41 »
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I really want to do more with Adobe. Despite having a really small portfolio with them, I do get some sales, which are slowly increasing. I'm really looking forward to hitting the 100 DL's (currently at 87!), so I can submit illustrative editorial work, which most of my work is... Although, after saying that, having to use their submission interface for everything does fill me with an impending sense of doom.

« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2022, 07:46 »
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Must admit I find the prioritising of the first 10 keywords a nonsense. And that they must be in order of importance for search purposes. And cannot be alphabetical.

This isn't a technical advantage it is clearly a poorly designed system. If the search algorithm requires you to make tye first 10 words the priority then clearly it implies that only the first 10 are searched from a buyers perspective. And that is stone age. Even a basic search tool can search hundreds of  thousands of documents in seconds for a collection of words.
What's the point of having the other 40 if they'll be ignored or given less priority.

I also find it a nonsense to keyword only what's in a photo. Well it isn't abided by anyway but still. Even the auto keywords throw words in that are not in the photo. The implications are significant.

I regularly sell a forest photo that is keyworded spiritual and is found as such. You won't find a single vicar or somersaulting kung fu monk no matter how hard you peer into it. Not even a whiff of joss sticks 🙄

« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2022, 08:06 »
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I think it would already help A LOT if, whenever you have pushed one keyword to the top, the whole page would not also jump back to the top so that you have to scroll through all keywords again. That's really the only thing that annoys me and takes up more time than it needs to.

That and that randomly some random action just automatically sorts them alphabetically.

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2022, 10:34 »
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Let me look at this from my perspective. Whether it's more difficult or not, and yes I'd like it if the page wouldn't jump. I have choices for my images.

The fact that we can select the top ten weighted keywords for our own images is a benefit and helps us. The rest of the words are not ignored, they are just not as important. Also remember that words in the caption and the keywords get a bigger boost. This is to our advantage. We get to direct attention to our images, so the buyers will see them.

Alamy you can place supertags on ten words. That's also a positive.

The rest (and there could be minor exceptions) keyword order and weighting is out of our control or irrelevant.

Am I reading right that some people want random, alpha sort and that we have no control over what words are more important, so order and weighting doesn't exist and they like that better?

Can anyone defend random order disorganization, and no word weighting? Please? How does that help anyone get more downloads?

« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2022, 11:31 »
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Can anyone defend random order disorganization, and no word weighting? Please? How does that help anyone get more downloads?
  • requires editing keyword list for each image submitted, as lightroom, eg,  automatically alphabetizes keywords
  • any weighting system assumes it can predict buyer intent; but some use generic keywords, others specific  - listing a latin name as top 10 wastes a spot for most users, but misses for someone with specific needs
  • putting generic terms like forest, mountain in top 10, etc is self-defeating as searches on those individual terms give millions of results, while with 20+ relevant keywords combinations of keywords will give better response
  • some images have many different uses
    • a tribal village along a river in forested mountains - some will search for specific place, others just want a mountain & river
    • mosaic in a mosque needs religious architecture, traditional craft, world religion, Islam in africa/morocco, building,pattern, tiles, abstract design/pattern/background, religious design/pattern/background, islamic arts, moroccan art, north african, mosque art pattern


« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2022, 12:04 »
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Can anyone defend random order disorganization, and no word weighting? Please? How does that help anyone get more downloads?
  • requires editing keyword list for each image submitted, as lightroom, eg,  automatically alphabetizes keywords
  • any weighting system assumes it can predict buyer intent; but some use generic keywords, others specific  - listing a latin name as top 10 wastes a spot for most users, but misses for someone with specific needs
  • putting generic terms like forest, mountain in top 10, etc is self-defeating as searches on those individual terms give millions of results, while with 20+ relevant keywords combinations of keywords will give better response
  • some images have many different uses
    • a tribal village along a river in forested mountains - some will search for specific place, others just want a mountain & river
    • mosaic in a mosque needs religious architecture, traditional craft, world religion, Islam in africa/morocco, building,pattern, tiles, abstract design/pattern/background, religious design/pattern/background, islamic arts, moroccan art, north african, mosque art pattern


Calling out that Lightroom displays keywords in alphabetical order, however when you export to Adobe Stock, the original order you added the keywords is retained and applied. This was updated several months ago and is a helpful improvement.

-Mat Hayward

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2022, 16:30 »
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Can anyone defend random order disorganization, and no word weighting? Please? How does that help anyone get more downloads?
  • requires editing keyword list for each image submitted, as lightroom, eg,  automatically alphabetizes keywords
  • any weighting system assumes it can predict buyer intent; but some use generic keywords, others specific  - listing a latin name as top 10 wastes a spot for most users, but misses for someone with specific needs
  • putting generic terms like forest, mountain in top 10, etc is self-defeating as searches on those individual terms give millions of results, while with 20+ relevant keywords combinations of keywords will give better response
  • some images have many different uses
    • a tribal village along a river in forested mountains - some will search for specific place, others just want a mountain & river
    • mosaic in a mosque needs religious architecture, traditional craft, world religion, Islam in africa/morocco, building,pattern, tiles, abstract design/pattern/background, religious design/pattern/background, islamic arts, moroccan art, north african, mosque art pattern


Do I understand, you would rather have the words sorted at random on a site and you would rather not have any choice which keywords you would like to have Supertags or higher rating/weighted?

« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2022, 20:13 »
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Can anyone defend random order disorganization, and no word weighting? Please? How does that help anyone get more downloads?
  • requires editing keyword list for each image submitted, as lightroom, eg,  automatically alphabetizes keywords
  • any weighting system assumes it can predict buyer intent; but some use generic keywords, others specific  - listing a latin name as top 10 wastes a spot for most users, but misses for someone with specific needs
  • putting generic terms like forest, mountain in top 10, etc is self-defeating as searches on those individual terms give millions of results, while with 20+ relevant keywords combinations of keywords will give better response
  • some images have many different uses
    • a tribal village along a river in forested mountains - some will search for specific place, others just want a mountain & river
    • mosaic in a mosque needs religious architecture, traditional craft, world religion, Islam in africa/morocco, building,pattern, tiles, abstract design/pattern/background, religious design/pattern/background, islamic arts, moroccan art, north african, mosque art pattern


Do I understand, you would rather have the words sorted at random on a site and you would rather not have any choice which keywords you would like to have Supertags or higher rating/weighted?

yes, given the lack of transparency re keyword effects on searches (or even what keywords were used), and low $ per DL, i dont spend time trying to guess how each site will respond - i just add most specific, relevant keywords

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How does that help anyone get more downloads?
never said it was better - but there's no indication that supertags, etc actually make a difference.  how much can it help if you're one of thousands asking for super weighting? 
« Last Edit: March 30, 2022, 20:16 by cascoly »

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2022, 14:10 »
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Can anyone defend random order disorganization, and no word weighting? Please? How does that help anyone get more downloads?
  • requires editing keyword list for each image submitted, as lightroom, eg,  automatically alphabetizes keywords
  • any weighting system assumes it can predict buyer intent; but some use generic keywords, others specific  - listing a latin name as top 10 wastes a spot for most users, but misses for someone with specific needs
  • putting generic terms like forest, mountain in top 10, etc is self-defeating as searches on those individual terms give millions of results, while with 20+ relevant keywords combinations of keywords will give better response
  • some images have many different uses
    • a tribal village along a river in forested mountains - some will search for specific place, others just want a mountain & river
    • mosaic in a mosque needs religious architecture, traditional craft, world religion, Islam in africa/morocco, building,pattern, tiles, abstract design/pattern/background, religious design/pattern/background, islamic arts, moroccan art, north african, mosque art pattern


Do I understand, you would rather have the words sorted at random on a site and you would rather not have any choice which keywords you would like to have Supertags or higher rating/weighted?

yes, given the lack of transparency re keyword effects on searches (or even what keywords were used), and low $ per DL, i dont spend time trying to guess how each site will respond - i just add most specific, relevant keywords

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How does that help anyone get more downloads?
never said it was better - but there's no indication that supertags, etc actually make a difference.  how much can it help if you're one of thousands asking for super weighting?

I didn't ask for any of this, I just see weighted tags that we can control as a benefit for artists. I can say the same for your position, you can choose to ignore any advantages you might gain by choosing your best ten words, or less? Since the advantage is made available, I choose to try to promote my images.

Just like SEO this is Image Search Optimization.

Do supertags make a difference? Right, that's hard to tell. What's "a difference". Do you mean do my images show higher up for a matching search term, you bet your butt they do. Simply clicking one term will make that image show ahead of any other image with the same word, that word is not Supertagged. That's an easy fact.
 
Sales, I can't say it makes any difference. I'm willing to argue your side, and agree, that a better image will sell faster than what's seen first. Buyers aren't idiots and they don't just take what's shown first. Plus unless they change things, Alamy has the diversity factor, and I'd like to push my best image (IMHO) to the front of my images. That could be a flawed strategy?

Adobe, is a better design. Ten words, and if the same words are also in the Description, then they get a higher boost. We can control what we think the image is about and should show to a buyer. Specific terms and words will be of a higher value than the other 39 words.

I can't see any reason to argue that I'd rather have all the words, all 49 of equal value when I can create an advantage in the image search, and what buyers see. Let the other sites do the mystery ranking of words, I like being able to control some of them?

Does any of this create more sales. I'd be hard pressed to make any claims or try to prove that it does. But it doesn't hurt and might help.

Meanwhile back to Adobe, and redesign. I'm not interested in "redesign" just making some adjustments like the page jumping when I click a word to the top, so the whole list doesn't jump to the top and then I have to drag back down.

That and more useful sales stats that I don't have to pay some outside developer, so I can check my sales and image history past last year. I don't know how much real value there is in knowing lifetime earnings for an image or best selling images, forever, instead of the last 13 months? I'd like to see that without having to collect, group and organize those numbers on my own.


SVH

« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2022, 15:58 »
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I'm lead to understand that there are some people here who frequent this page who are connected with Adobe? If that is the case, do you know if there are any plans to redesign the Adobe submission/keywording page?

Out of all the stock site submission pages I use, it is in my view that Adobe Stock's submission page is one of the most poorly designed. The whole process of having to spend an age re-arranging the keywords in order of popularity - of which you have to scroll up and down the page constantly,  is unnecessarily cumbersome and time-consuming.

Whilst Shutterstock have many faults, they have a submission page that enables you to submit images far faster and easier than Adobe's submission page.
Although Mat is a very nice guy, coming here and answering some of our questions, he is being paid by Adobe to give a suitable answer and not more than that. To be fair, if you have a problem then he will ask you to email him directly and he will sort it out. I never know if this ends succesfully, but obviously that is not of our concern anyway. The two times I emailed him I got no reply.
We have had a discussion before about improving things in the contributor portal but the remarks were that things were noted but not so much action or feedback afterwards.
So I really would like to drink a beer with him, but as far as it goes to actually influence Adobe with our remarks over here, I have less expectations. They do as they think is right for their own interest, like all stock companies do, and maybe try to shush things here and there on this forum.

Edit: I hear a lot of corporate speak from Mat. And I would get tired of that if I was him. Not telling what you actually want to hear but conveying the message from the company. But I could be wrong completely off course.
« Last Edit: March 31, 2022, 16:10 by SVH »

« Reply #15 on: March 31, 2022, 16:23 »
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I'm lead to understand that there are some people here who frequent this page who are connected with Adobe? If that is the case, do you know if there are any plans to redesign the Adobe submission/keywording page?

Out of all the stock site submission pages I use, it is in my view that Adobe Stock's submission page is one of the most poorly designed. The whole process of having to spend an age re-arranging the keywords in order of popularity - of which you have to scroll up and down the page constantly,  is unnecessarily cumbersome and time-consuming.

Whilst Shutterstock have many faults, they have a submission page that enables you to submit images far faster and easier than Adobe's submission page.
Although Mat is a very nice guy, coming here and answering some of our questions, he is being paid by Adobe to give a suitable answer and not more than that. To be fair, if you have a problem then he will ask you to email him directly and he will sort it out. I never know if this ends succesfully, but obviously that is not of our concern anyway. The two times I emailed him I got no reply.
We have had a discussion before about improving things in the contributor portal but the remarks were that things were noted but not so much action or feedback afterwards.
So I really would like to drink a beer with him, but as far as it goes to actually influence Adobe with our remarks over here, I have less expectations. They do as they think is right for their own interest, like all stock companies do, and maybe try to shush things here and there on this forum.

Edit: I hear a lot of corporate speak from Mat. And I would get tired of that if I was him. Not telling what you actually want to hear but conveying the message from the company. But I could be wrong completely off course.

Yikes! If I missed two emails from you, I'm sorry. Please write back again and let me know how I can help. I do find a lot of email in my spam folder so if you don't hear from me, ping me again here. Ahem, sorry....what I meant to say was "As best in class communication is of the highest priority, I would like to encourage buy in and scalability with...." Nope, gotta stop there. "Corporate Speak?" Ouch, you cut me deep on that one.

-Mat

SVH

« Reply #16 on: March 31, 2022, 16:33 »
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I'm lead to understand that there are some people here who frequent this page who are connected with Adobe? If that is the case, do you know if there are any plans to redesign the Adobe submission/keywording page?

Out of all the stock site submission pages I use, it is in my view that Adobe Stock's submission page is one of the most poorly designed. The whole process of having to spend an age re-arranging the keywords in order of popularity - of which you have to scroll up and down the page constantly,  is unnecessarily cumbersome and time-consuming.

Whilst Shutterstock have many faults, they have a submission page that enables you to submit images far faster and easier than Adobe's submission page.
Although Mat is a very nice guy, coming here and answering some of our questions, he is being paid by Adobe to give a suitable answer and not more than that. To be fair, if you have a problem then he will ask you to email him directly and he will sort it out. I never know if this ends succesfully, but obviously that is not of our concern anyway. The two times I emailed him I got no reply.
We have had a discussion before about improving things in the contributor portal but the remarks were that things were noted but not so much action or feedback afterwards.
So I really would like to drink a beer with him, but as far as it goes to actually influence Adobe with our remarks over here, I have less expectations. They do as they think is right for their own interest, like all stock companies do, and maybe try to shush things here and there on this forum.

Edit: I hear a lot of corporate speak from Mat. And I would get tired of that if I was him. Not telling what you actually want to hear but conveying the message from the company. But I could be wrong completely off course.

Yikes! If I missed two emails from you, I'm sorry. Please write back again and let me know how I can help. I do find a lot of email in my spam folder so if you don't hear from me, ping me again here. Ahem, sorry....what I meant to say was "As best in class communication is of the highest priority, I would like to encourage buy in and scalability with...." Nope, gotta stop there. "Corporate Speak?" Ouch, you cut me deep on that one.

-Mat

Hi Mat, thanks for the quick reply (this time :) ). '
So, not to make this to personal and so you can proof that you, and Adobe, are really listening, can you tell us what Adobe did with the wishlist we gathered here not so long ago?

« Reply #17 on: March 31, 2022, 18:07 »
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I'm lead to understand that there are some people here who frequent this page who are connected with Adobe? If that is the case, do you know if there are any plans to redesign the Adobe submission/keywording page?

Out of all the stock site submission pages I use, it is in my view that Adobe Stock's submission page is one of the most poorly designed. The whole process of having to spend an age re-arranging the keywords in order of popularity - of which you have to scroll up and down the page constantly,  is unnecessarily cumbersome and time-consuming.

Whilst Shutterstock have many faults, they have a submission page that enables you to submit images far faster and easier than Adobe's submission page.
Although Mat is a very nice guy, coming here and answering some of our questions, he is being paid by Adobe to give a suitable answer and not more than that. To be fair, if you have a problem then he will ask you to email him directly and he will sort it out. I never know if this ends succesfully, but obviously that is not of our concern anyway. The two times I emailed him I got no reply.
We have had a discussion before about improving things in the contributor portal but the remarks were that things were noted but not so much action or feedback afterwards.
So I really would like to drink a beer with him, but as far as it goes to actually influence Adobe with our remarks over here, I have less expectations. They do as they think is right for their own interest, like all stock companies do, and maybe try to shush things here and there on this forum.

Edit: I hear a lot of corporate speak from Mat. And I would get tired of that if I was him. Not telling what you actually want to hear but conveying the message from the company. But I could be wrong completely off course.

Yikes! If I missed two emails from you, I'm sorry. Please write back again and let me know how I can help. I do find a lot of email in my spam folder so if you don't hear from me, ping me again here. Ahem, sorry....what I meant to say was "As best in class communication is of the highest priority, I would like to encourage buy in and scalability with...." Nope, gotta stop there. "Corporate Speak?" Ouch, you cut me deep on that one.

-Mat

Hi Mat, thanks for the quick reply (this time :) ). '
So, not to make this to personal and so you can proof that you, and Adobe, are really listening, can you tell us what Adobe did with the wishlist we gathered here not so long ago?

You are on a roll today SVH! All productive feedback and suggestions are shared with the Product Manager in charge of the contributor portal. There are finite resources allocated to the portal and those resources are allocated based on the want vs. need ratio.

-Mat


« Reply #18 on: April 06, 2022, 09:41 »
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I'm strongly against any "modern" redising because it usually means slow loading, animations to drop down lists, more clicking, etc... and by that slowing the submission process, which at the moment (for me) is very fast on Adobe Stock.
About the keyword... I put them in the exif by relevance, and I upload them like that everywhere so I don't have to do the sorting on the submission page.

zeljkok

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« Reply #19 on: April 06, 2022, 12:28 »
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I'm strongly against any "modern" redising because it usually means slow loading, animations to drop down lists, more clicking, etc... and by that slowing the submission process, which at the moment (for me) is very fast on Adobe Stock.


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"modern" on Internet often goes way over the top, embedded videos that play automatically, pages that refresh 10 times during load, etc etc. 

Adobe in their UI philosophy is known for "less is more" and redundant parts, even if part of general UI standard are often ignored (i.e. why put small button at end of edit box to submit some text, when hitting "Enter" key will do the job).

For me functionality always far outweighs the appearance.  My suggestions for improvement would be:

  • Insights page defaults to last 3 months and reloads itself to that setting.  It is very annoying to specify over and over period you are interested in, ie "Activity" (not top sellers), and since begging of month or today etc.   
  • Editing keywords for accepted asset should have same edit box with comma separated words that is available during first time submission.  Manipulate locally in text editor to any way you like then just copy&paste
  • Provide customer search keyword(s) that led to download / sale.  Most agencies do it and it is tremendous help




Other than that things look fine to me

« Reply #20 on: April 06, 2022, 21:32 »
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I dont have a problem with reordering keywords. I think its great we can prioritize our keywords. It makes the images more relevant and generates more success for people who are willing to put in the work.

« Reply #21 on: April 07, 2022, 02:53 »
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Prioritising keywords should not be required. Petes spiel just amounts to "I think its better because it helps me game the system in my favour - maybe"

Whilst this is true because the first 10 words are given priority in image searches with the adobe algorithm its also false.

If everyone knows that's how they system works it becomes redundant. What would be better is if all keywords are made equal. The reason they aren't isn't because of technical advantage its because it makes it lighter on the adobe servers. Obviously. So let's be honest.

1. Slows down work flow for you. Instead of keywording rapid fire anything that occurs to you that you think could help find the image and all your options searched for equally- now you need to imagine what a buyer is looking for and why. If retail knew that magic element they'd make billions. Instead they employ other tactics. A pictures use is sometimes obvious but you would be stunned off your arse at how many pictures are used in ways that are unimaginable. All keywords should count equally. To do otherwise forces you to imagine what all the customers world wide would use to find your image. It's a nonsense.

2. When you tinker with them (many dont but should) down the line its a pig to do. You can't just go in and add it on the end and be done. You have to faf about reording them. I often notice when surfing the Web aspects of pictures usage that had enver occurred to me. I can add a keyword or two to push mine in that direction. But I have to decide how important the millions of customers might think that keyword would be.

Adobe have a shop window but they run it like a supermarket shelf. Supermarkets have a shelf kill zone. Level eyeline costs the most to put your product on. Higher up less and ankle level less. But you pay more to them they put it nearer the 45 degree eye lie kill zone. There are also zones in the whole store where buying is more likely so they map them via facial mapping and time spent in these zones vs product and spend amount. If the store could put every product in that 45 degree kill zone it would. They are limited by space.

Adobe are running the search like that. The 10 keywords may place your product in that kill zone. If your English is bad you'll be on the ankle shelf. If your imagination is bad you'll be on the ankle shelf. If your vocabulary is bad - ankle shelf. If you don't do your research ankle shelf. And the same applies to those buying. If they lack imagination, have poor English or lack vocabulary skills they are going to miss your image.

These variables need to align well to get a good sale. Done need to make the selling space smaller by limiting the amount of keywords that can find the image.

Is everyone that amazing with their keywording, linguistic skills, imagination, research, customer need knowledge to pin it on 10 keywords.

No you aren't. None of us are. Less hits = less sales.

« Reply #22 on: April 07, 2022, 02:59 »
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Out of all the stock site submission pages I use, it is in my view that Adobe Stock's submission page is one of the most poorly designed. The whole process of having to spend an age re-arranging the keywords in order of popularity - of which you have to scroll up and down the page constantly,  is unnecessarily cumbersome and time-consuming.

Whilst Shutterstock have many faults, they have a submission page that enables you to submit images far faster and easiest than Adobe's submission page.

At the beginning I was very frustrated with the poor keyword ordering interface too! But now I write the top ten keywords in order of importance in Photoshop, as this is useful for a couple of stock websites.

Now, I find the Adobe Stock submission process one of the fastest and easiest of all agencies.

« Reply #23 on: April 07, 2022, 12:10 »
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Out of all the stock site submission pages I use, it is in my view that Adobe Stock's submission page is one of the most poorly designed. The whole process of having to spend an age re-arranging the keywords in order of popularity - of which you have to scroll up and down the page constantly,  is unnecessarily cumbersome and time-consuming.

Whilst Shutterstock have many faults, they have a submission page that enables you to submit images far faster and easiest than Adobe's submission page.

At the beginning I was very frustrated with the poor keyword ordering interface too! But now I write the top ten keywords in order of importance in Photoshop, as this is useful for a couple of stock websites.

Now, I find the Adobe Stock submission process one of the fastest and easiest of all agencies.

problem is, we don't know what the top 10 keywords are for buyers!  most will use the top 10 tags they can think of for a generic search, but miss the many other uses buyers can find.  and the top 10 approach is self-defeating - if everyone uses the same top 10, they're still lost among thousands of images, not rising to the top.

so, i can use the top 10 very specific keywords and miss the more generic searches, or vice versa

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #24 on: April 07, 2022, 12:18 »
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    Prioritising keywords should not be required. Petes spiel just amounts to "I think its better because it helps me game the system in my favour - maybe"

    Whilst this is true because the first 10 words are given priority in image searches with the adobe algorithm its also false.

    If everyone knows that's how they system works it becomes redundant. What would be better is if all keywords are made equal. The reason they aren't isn't because of technical advantage its because it makes it lighter on the adobe servers. Obviously. So let's be honest.


    Yes to the Maybe which is still better than, we don't know, they don't tell and we have no control at all. But yes, it's all a maybe.


    For me functionality always far outweighs the appearance.  My suggestions for improvement would be:

    • Provide customer search keyword(s) that led to download / sale.  Most agencies do it and it is tremendous help


    Other than that things look fine to me

    That would be useful. As for the other, the 30 days is nice and it does show Activity even if the top option is Best Sellers. You want it to remember what? Last day, last week or last month... if you keep changing that, it's going to keep remembering only one of those anyway?  :)


    2. When you tinker with them (many dont but should) down the line its a pig to do. You can't just go in and add it on the end and be done. You have to faf about reording them. I often notice when surfing the Web aspects of pictures usage that had enver occurred to me. I can add a keyword or two to push mine in that direction. But I have to decide how important the millions of customers might think that keyword would be. 

    Image rank is locked after 30 days. Adding and changing would only alter that specific word being found in a search. So in one way, you are against specifics and adjustments to make your images found for what the artist thinks is a better word, and then you want to go back and waste time, altering words on images that are already defined and set?

    Which version of wasting time works best or is the least useful?

    I have gone back on sites and added keywords when I discovered something that is a better match. I'd agree with that. I think "MAYBE" someone searching will use that word instead of what I already have. There's lots of room as I seldom have more than 20-25 good keywords.

    Still getting back to keywords used to find an image and showing us that data, has anyone here ever looked at that data? How many words are usually showing for a good selling image, as actually being used to find it? Ten maybe. But people insist on having 50? Well they add those other 30 words because of Maybe?  ;D

    My best selling on SS which had the most downloads of any image anywhere ten words, and the last three are useless, plus one up the list is spelled wrong.

        white
        2.7%
        black
        2.7%

    Black and White are top words? I wouldn't put those in my top ten on any Adobe image.

    Uncle Pete

    • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
    « Reply #25 on: April 07, 2022, 12:26 »
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    Out of all the stock site submission pages I use, it is in my view that Adobe Stock's submission page is one of the most poorly designed. The whole process of having to spend an age re-arranging the keywords in order of popularity - of which you have to scroll up and down the page constantly,  is unnecessarily cumbersome and time-consuming.

    Whilst Shutterstock have many faults, they have a submission page that enables you to submit images far faster and easiest than Adobe's submission page.

    At the beginning I was very frustrated with the poor keyword ordering interface too! But now I write the top ten keywords in order of importance in Photoshop, as this is useful for a couple of stock websites.

    Now, I find the Adobe Stock submission process one of the fastest and easiest of all agencies.

    problem is, we don't know what the top 10 keywords are for buyers!  most will use the top 10 tags they can think of for a generic search, but miss the many other uses buyers can find.  and the top 10 approach is self-defeating - if everyone uses the same top 10, they're still lost among thousands of images, not rising to the top.

    so, i can use the top 10 very specific keywords and miss the more generic searches, or vice versa

    True, but if I use data from the sites that tell me the top ten words (which would be a nice addition) that's useful. I can put those top ten on Adobe or pick my personal top ten.

    The same arguments against a top ten are in favor of why we should have them. Because without our direction, the images are lost in thousands of other images, with the same words, because all of them have 50 keywords that are all the same? Keyword suggestions are often terrible and flawed but some people will use them because, "Must Have 50 words."

    I like the idea of making the images more discoverable, through Supertags or Higher ranked keywords. Plus the other words aren't ignored, they just aren't featured.

    IS and SS do that, without asking or telling us. They reorder keywords and give better weighting to some, based on what they think they want to push up towards the top. I'm still in favor of, not with any certainty I admit, that I have some personal control over how image is presented or ranked. Probably just my imagination anyway?

    If that's an advantage over bad matches, spammed words and concepts, or some random placement controlled by the agency, I'll take it.

    SVH

    « Reply #26 on: April 07, 2022, 12:43 »
    +4
    All nice to discuss things of what Adobe could improve and I am sure Mat will be listening in, but does anyone have one example of an idea that was posted here that has been implemented by Adobe, because we would like to have it?
    If so, I'll rest my case, but I think they are just listening and nothing else. Others might be as well but they don't have a liaison coming over here. And maybe we are just to small of a community to have any impact at all.

    Uncle Pete

    • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
    « Reply #27 on: April 07, 2022, 13:12 »
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    All nice to discuss things of what Adobe could improve and I am sure Mat will be listening in, but does anyone have one example of an idea that was posted here that has been implemented by Adobe, because we would like to have it?
    If so, I'll rest my case, but I think they are just listening and nothing else. Others might be as well but they don't have a liaison coming over here. And maybe we are just to small of a community to have any impact at all.

    It's kind of like the keyword order debate. Mat listens and takes what he hears to the people who he can tell about opinions and ideas. Maybe something can change because of that. Maybe my keywords in my order will work better... that's also maybe not. Maybe some day, what Mat expresses for us will make a difference, maybe not.

    I'm happy that he takes the time.

    zeljkok

    • Non Linear Existence
    « Reply #28 on: April 07, 2022, 13:20 »
    0
    All nice to discuss things of what Adobe could improve and I am sure Mat will be listening in, but does anyone have one example of an idea that was posted here that has been implemented by Adobe, because we would like to have it?
    If so, I'll rest my case, but I think they are just listening and nothing else.

    Totally agree. You can tell from lots of small things they never intended to put too much effort in contributor interface.  Example is search for photo, if you want to update keywords for instance.  One of most requested features. They figured workaround (search for photo as customer would, note ID, then search by that ID in contributor portal), end of story.

    I can understand that philosophy,  as contributor interface is not profitable & thus not worth investing time/effort, so I'm fine as long as functionality is there, even if it needs clunky workaround.  But functionality is still lacking in other parts, and that is the problem

    Uncle Pete

    • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
    « Reply #29 on: April 07, 2022, 13:31 »
    0
    All nice to discuss things of what Adobe could improve and I am sure Mat will be listening in, but does anyone have one example of an idea that was posted here that has been implemented by Adobe, because we would like to have it?
    If so, I'll rest my case, but I think they are just listening and nothing else.

    Totally agree. You can tell from lots of small things they never intended to put too much effort in contributor interface.  Example is search for photo, if you want to update keywords for instance.  One of most requested features. They figured workaround (search for photo as customer would, note ID, then search by that ID in contributor portal), end of story.

    I can understand that philosophy,  as contributor interface is not profitable & thus not worth investing time/effort, so I'm fine as long as functionality is there, even if it needs clunky workaround.  But functionality is still lacking in other parts, and that is the problem

    Oh I forgot that part. If there was one feature I'd like it's easy access to our own work, so we can verify, edit and revise. The whole find it, copy then go somewhere else and paste to edit is beyond functional or easy to use.


    SVH

    « Reply #30 on: April 07, 2022, 13:36 »
    +4
    All nice to discuss things of what Adobe could improve and I am sure Mat will be listening in, but does anyone have one example of an idea that was posted here that has been implemented by Adobe, because we would like to have it?
    If so, I'll rest my case, but I think they are just listening and nothing else. Others might be as well but they don't have a liaison coming over here. And maybe we are just to small of a community to have any impact at all.

    It's kind of like the keyword order debate. Mat listens and takes what he hears to the people who he can tell about opinions and ideas. Maybe something can change because of that. Maybe my keywords in my order will work better... that's also maybe not. Maybe some day, what Mat expresses for us will make a difference, maybe not.

    I'm happy that he takes the time.


    Don't get me wrong Pete. Mat is a good guy but I consider him as liaison and no more then that. He is here to listen to us, tell us everything is fine and your opinion is really appreciated but no more then that.

    Things we ask, I don't see no return, do you? Over all this years? If so, please tell me.

    I appreciate Mat, but he is being paid to be here and other agencies don't take the time and money to send somebody out here. I think that's the only difference.

    zeljkok

    • Non Linear Existence
    « Reply #31 on: April 07, 2022, 18:19 »
    0

    Oh I forgot that part. If there was one feature I'd like it's easy access to our own work, so we can verify, edit and revise. The whole find it, copy then go somewhere else and paste to edit is beyond functional or easy to use.

    Yes. See, that's exactly my point - photo search, editing of keywords etc. - bare bones, but very clunky and user unfriendly.  Why put the effort for something ultra sleek, when it doesn't really bring any profit.

    [btw, dumb elephant - you know which one - got 4.50 on Dreamstime today.  Still original one, lol]

    Uncle Pete

    • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
    « Reply #32 on: April 08, 2022, 16:06 »
    0

    Oh I forgot that part. If there was one feature I'd like it's easy access to our own work, so we can verify, edit and revise. The whole find it, copy then go somewhere else and paste to edit is beyond functional or easy to use.

    Yes. See, that's exactly my point - photo search, editing of keywords etc. - bare bones, but very clunky and user unfriendly.  Why put the effort for something ultra sleek, when it doesn't really bring any profit.

    [btw, dumb elephant - you know which one - got 4.50 on Dreamstime today.  Still original one, lol]

    Good images never stop selling, which is one of the small joys of working at this.  Sometimes an image just clicks with buyers. I wish I had more of those.

    « Reply #33 on: May 04, 2022, 03:34 »
    0
    Suggested improvement No. Whatever.

    "Thanks for the opertunity to review your work but it sucks"
    Rejection reason: technical issue (for adobe not SS apprently)

    Click here to find out why which will whisk you off down a rabbit hole to the main page of a never ending load of click bait which will result in knowing zero about what specific technical issue you fell foul of.

    So yeah - actual technical issue information rather than nonsense would be great. I would have put it more politically correctly like:

     "Dear Adobe gang (you guys rock btw) it would be super helpful to have some idea which specific technical issue was found on my photo so that I can correct the issue and keep providing you all-stars my best images and keep living my best life"

    But I won't. I don't know you. I don't care. In reality 10% of you are one stresser event away from becoming serial killers or starting an office fire. Your days are numbered as the ever over reliance on A.I. will see you living in a trailer park and sleeping on a outdoor couch as functioning alcoholics. Where I will find you and take your photo weeks before you fall foul of some hideous X rated event only seen in the darkest regions of Tarantino's mind.

    So yeah more specificity on what technical issue was the issue. I don't want to ask 'the helpful community' which are in all probability a feral collection of rabid has beens endlessly ripping and snarling with each other until an innocent chump turns up waving a jpeg before being tossed aside. A mere husk of the broken English speaking person they were before. And then watch them fawn all over you thanking you for their are raping.

    Nope a simple "out of focus" " crap composition" "not a unicorn" quick note would do wonders for the productivity of the Eloi.

    SVH

    « Reply #34 on: May 04, 2022, 11:07 »
    0
    Suggested improvement No. Whatever.

    "Thanks for the opertunity to review your work but it sucks"
    Rejection reason: technical issue (for adobe not SS apprently)

    Click here to find out why which will whisk you off down a rabbit hole to the main page of a never ending load of click bait which will result in knowing zero about what specific technical issue you fell foul of.

    So yeah - actual technical issue information rather than nonsense would be great. I would have put it more politically correctly like:

     "Dear Adobe gang (you guys rock btw) it would be super helpful to have some idea which specific technical issue was found on my photo so that I can correct the issue and keep providing you all-stars my best images and keep living my best life"

    But I won't. I don't know you. I don't care. In reality 10% of you are one stresser event away from becoming serial killers or starting an office fire. Your days are numbered as the ever over reliance on A.I. will see you living in a trailer park and sleeping on a outdoor couch as functioning alcoholics. Where I will find you and take your photo weeks before you fall foul of some hideous X rated event only seen in the darkest regions of Tarantino's mind.

    So yeah more specificity on what technical issue was the issue. I don't want to ask 'the helpful community' which are in all probability a feral collection of rabid has beens endlessly ripping and snarling with each other until an innocent chump turns up waving a jpeg before being tossed aside. A mere husk of the broken English speaking person they were before. And then watch them fawn all over you thanking you for their are raping.

    Nope a simple "out of focus" " crap composition" "not a unicorn" quick note would do wonders for the productivity of the Eloi.

    Lol :)

    I would also accept "we are not interested in these type of photos" or "we already have millions of photos like that". I also don't care if it's an offence reason as long as I understand what the issue actually is. Then, at least, you know how not to produce the same misstake again. It will save costs for Adobe as well in the end by just putting a little more effort in the feedback to the contributor. The current reasons are way to vague and you cannot act on them.

    « Reply #35 on: May 04, 2022, 12:20 »
    +2
    Your days are numbered as the ever over reliance on A.I. will see you living in a trailer park and sleeping on a outdoor couch as functioning alcoholics. Where I will find you and take your photo weeks before you fall foul of some hideous X rated event only seen in the darkest regions of Tarantino's mind.

    For the record, I will not sign a model release!

    -Mat Hayward
    « Last Edit: May 04, 2022, 12:37 by MatHayward »

    « Reply #36 on: May 04, 2022, 13:40 »
    0
    Your days are numbered as the ever over reliance on A.I. will see you living in a trailer park and sleeping on a outdoor couch as functioning alcoholics. Where I will find you and take your photo weeks before you fall foul of some hideous X rated event only seen in the darkest regions of Tarantino's mind.

    For the record, I will not sign a model release!

    -Mat Hayward

    "You have no right to expectation of privacy in a publicly accessible place"

    Sorry dude I don't need one. You are literally one A.I. evolution away from a compromising Tik Tok upload. 😊😉


     

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