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« Reply #350 on: April 05, 2024, 07:48 »
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So, back down in the real world.

pos 3450, 4300 files



« Reply #351 on: April 05, 2024, 08:13 »
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Top 100 weekly, top 100 lifetime, less than 10k.

wow this is great! :)  How long have you been an Adobe Stock contributor,if I may ask?

I started submitting in 2016.

Thank you,therefore for less than 10 years and already among the top 100 with less than 10k contents,it's incredible! :)

It's also very hard to believe,but ok anything can be! :)

I believe that. I have seen some small on banner graphics specialized portfolios, which seem to consist of almost all bestsellers.
Back in 2014/2015 before Adobe Stock for example Anja Kaiser was extemely pushed with her vector graphics by Fotolia.
She has a sell ratio of almost 99% of her portfolio I believe. And some illustrations were featured for almost years.
https://stock.adobe.com/de/contributor/200564940/anja-kaiser

But today she seems not to be pushed anymore by Adobe Stock. So that I don't believe only keywords and image rankings matter.

Another portfolios, who probably still are doing very well:
https://stock.adobe.com/de/contributor/200905841/floydine
https://stock.adobe.com/de/contributor/202483008/romolo-tavani

Actually one should stop spamming by generating thousands of AI images but start to create some good basis material with AI and then use Photoshop further to add more details, lighting, effects, etc. This is probably a better time investment.

wds

« Reply #352 on: April 05, 2024, 08:13 »
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I am still in the early stages of learning about midjourney. While you cannot get a series with a specific model you can get a theme of files with similar vibe, colors, lighting.

Midjourney people files still need a lot processing, I get a lot of great looking files, then on close up discover all kinds of issues with broken teeth, weird fingers growing out of a neck, strange details on clothes. The experssions are better than on stable, but far from perfect.

But the biggest challenge is to get faces that not everybody has. It feels like Mj just has 10 faces to choose from for a given age and ethnic type.

I am also trying to do more with Adobe and next week I have my first real shooting with a camera again.

But like I said before, the main focus for this year will be ai illustrations and to learn what I can offer that people will then like to buy. Every illustration sale, is a sale I would not have had otherwise.

They are selling very, very slowly, even the holiday files sell slow. But I believe it will pay off eventually, once the initial files have laid their roots across the algos, which will probably take 3 years.

Regarding "number of faces", this is one thing I don't get. I have also seen on Firefly where faces get almost repeated. With all the vast quantity of images these tools are trained on, how is it that they get stuck with a limited number of "faces"? Is it some kind of "flaw in the logic" of how they work? Is it a bug? If you take human artist, say painter, they don't repeat faces in their work, yet AI seems to do that. Maybe it's some kind of short cut in the algorithms which leeds to this? Just curious.

« Reply #353 on: April 05, 2024, 08:22 »
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I am still in the early stages of learning about midjourney. While you cannot get a series with a specific model you can get a theme of files with similar vibe, colors, lighting.

Midjourney people files still need a lot processing, I get a lot of great looking files, then on close up discover all kinds of issues with broken teeth, weird fingers growing out of a neck, strange details on clothes. The experssions are better than on stable, but far from perfect.

But the biggest challenge is to get faces that not everybody has. It feels like Mj just has 10 faces to choose from for a given age and ethnic type.

I am also trying to do more with Adobe and next week I have my first real shooting with a camera again.

But like I said before, the main focus for this year will be ai illustrations and to learn what I can offer that people will then like to buy. Every illustration sale, is a sale I would not have had otherwise.

They are selling very, very slowly, even the holiday files sell slow. But I believe it will pay off eventually, once the initial files have laid their roots across the algos, which will probably take 3 years.

Regarding "number of faces", this is one thing I don't get. I have also seen on Firefly where faces get almost repeated. With all the vast quantity of images these tools are trained on, how is it that they get stuck with a limited number of "faces"? Is it some kind of "flaw in the logic" of how they work? Is it a bug? If you take human artist, say painter, they don't repeat faces in their work, yet AI seems to do that. Maybe it's some kind of short cut in the algorithms which leeds to this? Just curious.

No it is not really a bug. Or somehow you could tell it but it is technical stuff. Because of the diffusion process you get a smoothing as mean result
out from million of images.

You should try to use very detailed prompts with character describing (e.g. age, ethnicity, hair color, eyes color, etc.) instead of a generic prompt like "a portrait of a beautiful woman". But it won't fix all problems.
But Midjourney has some problems with narrow lips for example. You will get always full collagen filled lips on females.

« Reply #354 on: April 05, 2024, 09:03 »
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I think the ai companies created a batch of high quality people as basic avatars and if you want something different you have to be very specific.

It is the only explanation that makes sense to me why thousands of people keep generating the exact same faces.

« Reply #355 on: April 05, 2024, 13:04 »
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So, back down in the real world.

pos 3450, 4300 files

hi! If these are your numbers then how did you manage to make into Recent top sellers for this week in the Illustrations section?  :o I don't get it

« Reply #356 on: April 05, 2024, 14:13 »
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So, back down in the real world.

pos 3450, 4300 files

hi! If these are your numbers then how did you manage to make into Recent top sellers for this week in the Illustrations section?  :o I don't get it

On Adobe always the last week is shown and not the current one. Cobalt's last week was pretty good.
But yeah I wonder still also a little bit. Her position ranking was under 1000 if I'm not wrong.
So either almost everyone with a better ranking was a photo seller or Adobe does not show the real cash cows with rankings < 100.

« Reply #357 on: April 05, 2024, 14:38 »
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So, back down in the real world.

pos 3450, 4300 files

hi! If these are your numbers then how did you manage to make into Recent top sellers for this week in the Illustrations section?  :o I don't get it

On Adobe always the last week is shown and not the current one. Cobalt's last week was pretty good.
But yeah I wonder still also a little bit. Her position ranking was under 1000 if I'm not wrong.
So either almost everyone with a better ranking was a photo seller or Adobe does not show the real cash cows with rankings < 100.

Well going with Adobe's rules...
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For each asset type we generate a list of 200 contributors who made the most sales in the previous week, only considering their uploads from the past six months. Then, we order the list based on each contributors uploads/sales ratio, and the top 10 contributors on this list are featured as Recent top sellers.
... I don't think it's possible to get into weekly top sellers being anywhere between position 1k-2k. something very strange here

« Reply #358 on: April 05, 2024, 18:15 »
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So, back down in the real world.

pos 3450, 4300 files

hi! If these are your numbers then how did you manage to make into Recent top sellers for this week in the Illustrations section?  :o I don't get it

On Adobe always the last week is shown and not the current one. Cobalt's last week was pretty good.
But yeah I wonder still also a little bit. Her position ranking was under 1000 if I'm not wrong.
So either almost everyone with a better ranking was a photo seller or Adobe does not show the real cash cows with rankings < 100.

Well going with Adobe's rules...
Quote
For each asset type we generate a list of 200 contributors who made the most sales in the previous week, only considering their uploads from the past six months. Then, we order the list based on each contributors uploads/sales ratio, and the top 10 contributors on this list are featured as Recent top sellers.
... I don't think it's possible to get into weekly top sellers being anywhere between position 1k-2k. something very strange here

Yeah, it is a mystery which criterion Adobe uses for featuring of best selling contributors.
Probably they consider the portfolio size in relation to the sales. Would somehow make sense.
« Last Edit: April 05, 2024, 18:18 by Andrej.S. »

« Reply #359 on: April 05, 2024, 20:22 »
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Top 100 weekly, top 100 lifetime, less than 10k.

wow this is great! :)  How long have you been an Adobe Stock contributor,if I may ask?

I started submitting in 2016.

Thank you,therefore for less than 10 years and already among the top 100 with less than 10k contents,it's incredible! :)

It's also very hard to believe,but ok anything can be! :)

One way I can describe my portfolio is that is very practical and useful.

I've seen my work all over, including in websites & YouTube. I've even seen my work in food packaging and local farm ads.

I can never reveal my portfolio for obvious reason, but I can assure you that it's very real.

I started creating microstock in 2015 and I joined this forum in 2016. I just had a lot of skills and a lot knowledge from many different industries, including marketing, design, finance, publishing and technology. A lot of my skills were transferable into Microstock because I knew what all these industries were looking for.

You can say that I found a secret formula and I figured out what different industries need. My bestsellers are not artistic or fancy. They are just incredibly practical.

« Reply #360 on: April 05, 2024, 20:33 »
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Top 100 weekly, top 100 lifetime, less than 10k.

Congratulations on your hard work!!!

No need to share details, I think it is already very helpful to know that such a position can indeed be reached by a single artist.

I always thought the top 100 was for large studio/team producers only. The only person I know in that level started out as a single artist but had progressed to working more as an art director and has people working for him, some full time, some on work for hire basis.

I do believe in sharing helpful information with peers and it can be done without reveailing best selling content.

Plus the algos make copying sometimes harder than people think. I know many producers who did a ton of seasonal content with ai, but get few sales, while my christmas season was quite good. But I have really, really old files that have probably accumulated in many galeries over the 10 years I didnt upload and these are the ones that started bringing in the money again. The ai stuff also sold, but less than old files revived.

For me I see it with my ai people, while they are slowly starting to sell, if I just do carrots on white background I will have better sales with that.

And if I do that with my camera, the carrots can go everywhere.

However, if I am consistent with my ai people uploads, then I am sure in 3-4 years they will also get good sales, like anything isolated or my greeting cards.

Same for illustrations. It is a new medium for me, there is ZERO algo track record. I have uploaded a lot of seasonal illustrations but sales are very, very slow. And sometimes very unexpected, I am actually having artsy files sell. Done in watercolor or oil painting style.

So my first 3000 illustrations will be test subjects, trying many different niches and many, many different art styles.

Then gradually the customers will tell me what they like and I will make more of that.

But if I ever wanted to got for the top 100, I would certainly need 30k plus files.

I do a lot of research, but wouldnt know how to do that with less than 10k even if I could identify 10k top selling concepts. Gallery uptake by clients is a very slow process. Having instant best sellers is very rare for me.

There is also the time factor, I want to grow my income over the next 2-3 years, not over 20.

Roughly 60% of what i upload is still experimental, with ai even higher, because I am testing a lot of new things.

Thank you to anyone in top levels sharing ranks and port sizes.

For newbies it should help them understand that stock needs a ton of research and is not a slot machine where you throw random files in and money comes out.

The money is related to usefulness for clients not overall random content port size.

Thanks for your understanding. I've been on this forum for 8 years. I dropped a lot of helpful advice early on. I used to post a lot more, but I've been just lurking in the last few years. If people want to know what I shared, they're free to go check out my old postings.

One thing I can reveal is that I don't use any keyword tools. I keyword every submission manually and I put effort into ordering all my keywords. I put work into early and now many of my images are at the top of search results.


« Reply #361 on: April 05, 2024, 20:50 »
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So, back down in the real world.

pos 3450, 4300 files

hi! If these are your numbers then how did you manage to make into Recent top sellers for this week in the Illustrations section?  :o I don't get it

Thank you for pointing that out, I had no idea!

i briefly made it to around 1740, and I had uploaded a lot of easter spring illustrations in the weeks before. They got some good uptake on the easter week-end itself, but it has all dropped drastically now.

There will be many people with more sales than me, but probably the ratio for the content uploaded in the last few weeks to sales was probably better in my case.

The bestseller list is not a list of people with a total number of bestselling content, then we would see the same portfolios every week.

This is a great surprise, hopefully I will pick up some longterm customers. Although now sales of illustrations have crashed.

@minsc

I agree on careful manual keywording. I do it myself and try very hard to order them correctly. But you are obviously also uploading great content.

It does take time for files to move up into good positions, sometimes years to finally have a file on the first 3 pages of a keyword search.

But the slow uptake is a good thing, it makes it more difficult for the copycats.
« Last Edit: April 05, 2024, 21:01 by cobalt »

« Reply #362 on: April 05, 2024, 21:09 »
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There are some really interesting ports on that illustration list.

Absolutely love this one

https://stock.adobe.com/de/contributor/207065927/Oleksii

I have been experimenting with oil painting style, but mine never get a good uptake. But i havent ujploaded a lot of flowers, perhaps I should just go for it.

The list also always has new ports with just over 1000 downloads, sometimes the ports are quite small.

« Reply #363 on: April 05, 2024, 21:11 »
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I was on top seller list several time with very few png files and position about 800 - because its calculated how efficient, how much sales you have compared to how many files you have. (Not how much $ you earn) I had several best sellers that took off (and then died) so my earnings were very efficient compared to how many images I had. (How many copies of hand drawn png can one do? Might as well draw a different image in that time)

Now, I have 28 pages and make more $, but diluted my portfolio on purpose, since I dont want to be featured on a top sellers list - as Matt said: you earned bragging rights but Customers dont see it, reviewers dont see it, search engine doesnt see it, but copycats do!!! Sorry, I see no upside to it.

However, I know that if someone uploads many variations of the same image or does mainly copycats - their portfolio gets marked down in searches. You have to create something new for Adobe to push your images in search.
« Last Edit: April 05, 2024, 21:17 by Mifornia »

« Reply #364 on: April 05, 2024, 21:21 »
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There are some really interesting ports on that illustration list.

Absolutely love this one

https://stock.adobe.com/de/contributor/207065927/Oleksii

I have been experimenting with oil painting style, but mine never get a good uptake. But i havent ujploaded a lot of flowers, perhaps I should just go for it.

The list also always has new ports with just over 1000 downloads, sometimes the ports are quite small.

Congratulations on making a top sellers list!

I tried flowers early on, very few got sales, I think there is already too many of them out there. Unless you can come up with something new. Only 2 files got 40 and then 20 downloads, nothing special, dont understand how they got sales while others didnt at all. I spent a week on them, earned $50 🤣
« Last Edit: April 05, 2024, 21:24 by Mifornia »

« Reply #365 on: April 05, 2024, 22:09 »
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I disagree on being featured as useless. When I was featured during the christmas season, the week I was on that list I had a push of nearly 40% more sales compared to the week before.

So please Adobe, keep featuring me.

However this week I dropped down drastically inspite of being featured, I attribute this to not having enough interesting content for the next 3 months. But without being featured, perhaps it would have been a lot worse?

I am new to illustrations, so this means I am doing something right.

As my portfolio grows, the chances of getting featured drops.

Seems like a good system overall.

« Reply #366 on: April 05, 2024, 22:49 »
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Regarding "number of faces", this is one thing I don't get. I have also seen on Firefly where faces get almost repeated. With all the vast quantity of images these tools are trained on, how is it that they get stuck with a limited number of "faces"? Is it some kind of "flaw in the logic" of how they work? Is it a bug? If you take human artist, say painter, they don't repeat faces in their work, yet AI seems to do that. Maybe it's some kind of short cut in the algorithms which leeds to this? Just curious.

It's because... and many people still don't seem to get this - the "ai" isn't actually "ai" - it's essentially just stealing billions of images, and "blending" them together. It doesn't "understand" what you are asking - it just looks for certain tags (i.e., "black person", "white person") associated with the images it's stolen, "blends" them together, to make a black/white/etc person... that's greatly simplified (because it first creates "models" of the stolen material), but that's basically it.

« Reply #367 on: April 06, 2024, 01:03 »
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It creates models from the stolen material.

That is what I mean. They have created some people avatars that will give good quality and which is why so many of us get the exact same faces.

Getting a new face is not so easy.
« Last Edit: April 06, 2024, 01:14 by cobalt »

« Reply #368 on: April 06, 2024, 07:39 »
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10k over all agencies, sorry.

Ah, okay, in that case I can join the 10k club!  :)

« Reply #369 on: April 06, 2024, 07:40 »
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10k over all agencies, sorry.

Ah, okay, in that case I can join the 10k with one image club!  :)

« Reply #370 on: April 06, 2024, 12:40 »
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Double post, dont know how to delete
« Last Edit: April 06, 2024, 12:53 by Mifornia »

« Reply #371 on: April 06, 2024, 12:41 »
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I disagree on being featured as useless. When I was featured during the christmas season, the week I was on that list I had a push of nearly 40% more sales compared to the week before.
3 times when I was featured, my sales dropped those weeks, thats the reason why I asked Matt how featured affects you. The only difference I personally felt was that my images got accepted much faster after being featured.

I saw some contributors with a million downloads on top sellers list, so its possible to be featured even with a big portfolio.

« Reply #372 on: April 06, 2024, 13:09 »
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Well, now I am down to 4020. But...it might be much worse without being featured. So I am still honored to be on the list.

Also not really worried about copycats, because i still have no clue what really sells in illustrations.

« Reply #373 on: April 06, 2024, 16:57 »
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Also not really worried about copycats, because i still have no clue what really sells in illustrations.
Its always a surprise for me what exactly will sell: its not difficult to guess the subject, but what will take off is, at times my favorite designs dont sell or the worst one on the same subject will. Ive read that there is some kind of rating that reviewers can assign. Dont worry about this week, its tax season, youll probably come up again soon. (Matt wrote before that if you got featured on top sellers, you have a good idea of what customers want. I believe its a feeling that is difficult to put to words, but if you have it, youll produce best designs again and again)

One of my bestsellers became a regular seller and thats a big hit for me, Im also down a lot.
« Last Edit: April 06, 2024, 17:13 by Mifornia »

« Reply #374 on: April 06, 2024, 23:46 »
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I think it was the really slow week of both easter and spring break that got me on the list. Yes i had sales for Easter, but not as much as I had hoped. If that was enough to put me on the list, then it must have been really slow.

I am experimenting a lot with illustrations. Seeing a port with mostly flower oil pointings get on the list, means I should also upload all the things I just did for myself, but didn't bother uploading. Who would buy flower paintings? But apparently many people do.

It will take at least 3 years and 3k illustrations to get a better understanding for that market.


 

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