Author Topic: What's your weekly ranking and how many images? (Read 27993 times)

pancaketom · « **Reply #525 on:** May 18, 2024, 14:53 »

Obviously I don't know how the Adobe algorithm works, but I sincerely doubt there is a particularly large effect (or any) on how long you have been a contributor. I also don't think that there is some sort of set limit to how much you will sell - although that has been alleged for various agencies by a number of people over the years.

Produce content that is needed without a lot of competition and you will do well. Until it is copied or they switch the algorithm to push other content (newer, bigger images, AI, local, whatever) and then you won't do as well. Also as the price per image drops - either through price cuts or various custom deals or subs plans you will make less per sale. That is the true effect of time on microstock, not some magical constant certainty over time.

Yes, you can still make decent money with good smart work, but you could probably make more with that same good smart work in some other fashion.

This week my sales, $, and position are all below what they have been recently although I did have a few sales of recently uploaded images, which is nice.

Injustice for all · « **Reply #526 on:** May 18, 2024, 18:19 »

Quote from: pancaketom on May 18, 2024, 14:53

Obviously I don't know how the Adobe algorithm works, but I sincerely doubt there is a particularly large effect (or any) on how long you have been a contributor. I also don't think that there is some sort of set limit to how much you will sell - although that has been alleged for various agencies by a number of people over the years.

Produce content that is needed without a lot of competition and you will do well. Until it is copied or they switch the algorithm to push other content (newer, bigger images, AI, local, whatever) and then you won't do as well. Also as the price per image drops - either through price cuts or various custom deals or subs plans you will make less per sale. That is the true effect of time on microstock, not some magical constant certainty over time.

Yes, you can still make decent money with good smart work, but you could probably make more with that same good smart work in some other fashion.

This week my sales, $, and position are all below what they have been recently although I did have a few sales of recently uploaded images, which is nice.

Of course we're here to chat and try to understand something more together,I'm not an expert on how Adobe's sales system works.

But,how do you explain that I just need to look at how many sales I made last year and I already know how many sales I'll make?

on April 1st I already knew exactly the number of sales I would have on April 30th,how do you explain it?Am I a magician?

no,it's more likely that I simply sold the number I had to sell.

therefore there is an established limit within which I can stay within this period of time,and at a certain point,in a month,perhaps two,I will be able to take that extra step and my "range of action" begins to oscillate between values taller.

another example?

you could sell much more if tomorrow Adobe's contributors suddenly become only 1000,do you agree with me?

If Yes,you agree with me,it means that is because Adobe's sales system will be able to give you a wider "range of action" because there are few contributors to manage,and your content is shown with virtually every request,if you have in your portfolio.

If No,you don’t agree then it means that our opinions differ on this point.

What matters in my opinion is what you have to sell,how much you have to sell,and how LONG you have had it for sale.

now,why is the time you have been a contributor important?because you have more content on sale for longer,and it gives you more visibility in general.

you gain visibility over time,over time ours contents are shown more,and therefore time is a fundamental factor in microstock.

then aside from these obvious reasons,I believe there is also a "step" in the Adobe sales system algorithm,specific to the time an account was opened and/or the number of sales made,but this last part is just my personal opinion.

Mifornia · « **Reply #527 on:** May 19, 2024, 19:09 »

Sunday at 5 pm I checked my weekly position and it was blank - previous week is closed and I didn’t sell anything for the next week yet. Curious that’s the first time that I saw my position as blank.

SuperPhoto · « **Reply #528 on:** May 19, 2024, 19:37 »

Quote from: Mifornia on May 19, 2024, 19:09

Sunday at 5 pm I checked my weekly position and it was blank - previous week is closed and I didn’t sell anything for the next week yet. Curious that’s the first time that I saw my position as blank.

Must mean you are invisible! OH NOES!

Lol. In seriousness, no - it seems there are 1-2 hrs on a sunday from when it closes out the week and makes a new ranking. If you don't sell anything in that 1-2 hrs, then its 'blank'.

blvdone · « **Reply #529 on:** May 19, 2024, 21:52 »

Quote from: Injustice for all on May 18, 2024, 18:19

Quote from: pancaketom on May 18, 2024, 14:53
Obviously I don't know how the Adobe algorithm works, but I sincerely doubt there is a particularly large effect (or any) on how long you have been a contributor. I also don't think that there is some sort of set limit to how much you will sell - although that has been alleged for various agencies by a number of people over the years.

Produce content that is needed without a lot of competition and you will do well. Until it is copied or they switch the algorithm to push other content (newer, bigger images, AI, local, whatever) and then you won't do as well. Also as the price per image drops - either through price cuts or various custom deals or subs plans you will make less per sale. That is the true effect of time on microstock, not some magical constant certainty over time.

Yes, you can still make decent money with good smart work, but you could probably make more with that same good smart work in some other fashion.

This week my sales, $, and position are all below what they have been recently although I did have a few sales of recently uploaded images, which is nice.

Of course we're here to chat and try to understand something more together,I'm not an expert on how Adobe's sales system works.

But,how do you explain that I just need to look at how many sales I made last year and I already know how many sales I'll make?

on April 1st I already knew exactly the number of sales I would have on April 30th,how do you explain it?Am I a magician?

no,it's more likely that I simply sold the number I had to sell.

therefore there is an established limit within which I can stay within this period of time,and at a certain point,in a month,perhaps two,I will be able to take that extra step and my "range of action" begins to oscillate between values taller.

another example?

you could sell much more if tomorrow Adobe's contributors suddenly become only 1000,do you agree with me?

If Yes,you agree with me,it means that is because Adobe's sales system will be able to give you a wider "range of action" because there are few contributors to manage,and your content is shown with virtually every request,if you have in your portfolio.

If No,you don’t agree then it means that our opinions differ on this point.

What matters in my opinion is what you have to sell,how much you have to sell,and how LONG you have had it for sale.

now,why is the time you have been a contributor important?because you have more content on sale for longer,and it gives you more visibility in general.

you gain visibility over time,over time ours contents are shown more,and therefore time is a fundamental factor in microstock.

then aside from these obvious reasons,I believe there is also a "step" in the Adobe sales system algorithm,specific to the time an account was opened and/or the number of sales made,but this last part is just my personal opinion.

I think you're just wasting your time believing in some unsubstantiated conspiracy theory. Instead, I would just keep making images/videos.

Injustice for all · « **Reply #530 on:** May 20, 2024, 03:54 »

@blvdone I wouldn't say it's really unfounded,given that it is!

I already know how many sales I will make this month and how many sales I will make every month,as I said,I just need to look at how many sales I made in the same month of the previous year.

we all have a "range of action" that increases as our portfolio increases and over time,It's a fact,not a theory.

and this is one of the best aspects of Adobe,because it guarantees certainty that you can earn more over time.

I don't see any conspiracy theories here,and don't worry about my job,think about yours!

pancaketom · « **Reply #531 on:** May 20, 2024, 11:40 »

Looking at my sales and earnings I can in no way predict exactly what I will make any given day, week, or month. I could guess the average of the previous year, or what I made last year that month or what the magic 8 ball told me, but I would have no confidence in it being very accurate. I haven't run the statistics, but over the last few years per monthly income has varied by a factor of 6 or so and it isn't always up and the good months and bad months are not always the same (although the free image election bump is noticeable in the graph the years I had a bunch of images selected).

Do you have a formula you follow - eg last years sales this month times number of new images times x = exact sales this month? Also how exact is your prediction - to the download and cent, or within 5 % or 10% or 50% - I think I could predict the latter most months just by picking the average.

Previously people have alleged $ amounts set by SS and if they had a good week at the start of the month they would have lousy sales the rest of the month to hit their quota and if they had poor sales all month they would have some good days at the end of the month to bring things up.

I agree that if Adobe removed 3/4 of their collection but not my stuff I would do better, especially if they removed the content that was competing with my content.

What really matters is the complex algorithms around the search plus what content you have and how good the metadata is and what content buyers are looking for. We can only control our content and the metadata. For common content the search placement is nearly everything.

Injustice for all · « **Reply #532 on:** May 20, 2024, 13:23 »

Quote from: pancaketom on May 20, 2024, 11:40

Looking at my sales and earnings I can in no way predict exactly what I will make any given day, week, or month. I could guess the average of the previous year, or what I made last year that month or what the magic 8 ball told me, but I would have no confidence in it being very accurate. I haven't run the statistics, but over the last few years per monthly income has varied by a factor of 6 or so and it isn't always up and the good months and bad months are not always the same (although the free image election bump is noticeable in the graph the years I had a bunch of images selected).

Do you have a formula you follow - eg last years sales this month times number of new images times x = exact sales this month? Also how exact is your prediction - to the download and cent, or within 5 % or 10% or 50% - I think I could predict the latter most months just by picking the average.

Previously people have alleged $ amounts set by SS and if they had a good week at the start of the month they would have lousy sales the rest of the month to hit their quota and if they had poor sales all month they would have some good days at the end of the month to bring things up.

I agree that if Adobe removed 3/4 of their collection but not my stuff I would do better, especially if they removed the content that was competing with my content.

What really matters is the complex algorithms around the search plus what content you have and how good the metadata is and what content buyers are looking for. We can only control our content and the metadata. For common content the search placement is nearly everything.

I can only understand the number of sales,there is no way to understand the earnings.

the calculation is simple,the factors at play are:

-the number of sales I made in the same month last year

-the minimum value

-the growth percentage.

At least 90% if not more of the time my prediction is correct,with a max margin of error of perhaps 10 sales at most.

"the minimum value" is the minimum number of sales I can make per month.

just for example,I have 190 sales as a monthly minimum value,then maybe in a couple of months or more this minimum becomes 200,once I have made at least 200 sales in a month for 2 months in a row,I never go below this value and 200 becomes the minimum.

the percentage of growth is the percentage of increase that I bring in the current year,which this year for me is 40/50%

so in conclusion,I see how many sales I made in the same month last year and knowing my minimum value and my percentage increase,I can determine with a very low margin of error how many sales I will make in the current month.

but only the number of sales,it is impossible to determine how much I earn.

one thing I would like to underline is that up to now I have never broken the minimum value,once I reached it I never went back.

and I hope this continues,because this is the most important thing for me.

and all this only concerns Adobe,in other agencies I can't establish a trend,in other agencies it's all too random.

if I continue to work and upload regularly and it happens that I sell a smaller amount of content than in the same month of the previous year,then it's over,this makes no sense,because if after a year of incessant uploads you end up selling less than the previous year then there is no hope left!

This has never happened to me on Adobe Stock until now,I hope it will continue like this!

blvdone · « **Reply #533 on:** May 20, 2024, 17:32 »

Quote from: Injustice for all on May 20, 2024, 03:54

don't worry about my job,think about yours!

Yes, I'll do so. Thank you!!

Injustice for all · « **Reply #534 on:** May 21, 2024, 04:40 »

Quote from: blvdone on May 20, 2024, 17:32

Quote from: Injustice for all on May 20, 2024, 03:54
don't worry about my job,think about yours!

Yes, I'll do so. Thank you!!

I'm sorry if I seemed a little aggressive to you,but you too were not very nice!

You see I don't waste time with conspiracy theories,I know what it is for me and how things work for me.

for others like you it is different,and this depends on many factors,and so you can't understand my point of view for some things,it's normal.

However,nothing serious happened!

blvdone · « **Reply #535 on:** May 21, 2024, 08:37 »

Quote from: Injustice for all on May 21, 2024, 04:40

Quote from: blvdone on May 20, 2024, 17:32
Quote from: Injustice for all on May 20, 2024, 03:54
don't worry about my job,think about yours!

Yes, I'll do so. Thank you!!

I'm sorry if I seemed a little aggressive to you,but you too were not very nice!

You see I don't waste time with conspiracy theories,I know what it is for me and how things work for me.

for others like you it is different,and this depends on many factors,and so you can't understand my point of view for some things,it's normal.

However,nothing serious happened!

Sorry, but I was trying to steer you toward more winning formula/attitude/approach. Didn't mean to offend you. But your sales are consistent. So, that's great for you!!

blvdone · « **Reply #536 on:** May 21, 2024, 08:39 »

Woke up and found myself right at 1,000th this morning. Nice!! Didn't have a good sales day yesterday, but maybe everybody had a slow day yesterday thus higher ranking than usual.

Injustice for all · « **Reply #537 on:** May 21, 2024, 11:42 »

Quote from: blvdone on May 21, 2024, 08:39

Woke up and found myself right at 1,000th this morning. Nice!! Didn't have a good sales day yesterday, but maybe everybody had a slow day yesterday thus higher ranking than usual.

nice!

Yesterday was a particularly slow day,today a little less slow but still quite slow,I expected more from the beginning of this week.

I've been selling less than usual lately but my rank has improved,it's clear that for many it's going worse,so I'm not complaining!

zeljkok · « **Reply #538 on:** May 22, 2024, 01:03 »

I'll add it is interesting to have friendly discussion and learn from other people experiences. In my case following holds true:

1) Approved Images are followed by Increased # of downloads
2) Being stagnant (not uploading new content) gradually leads to decreased # of downloads
3) Rejected content is followed by sharp decline in # of downloads, but only over short period of time

There might be "Adobe Rank" token attached to each port, that goes up and down based on scenarios above. Further, Each individual asset has it's own token that goes up based on download history. It also appears new content is not promoted at all.

This is all guesswork of course for which I have no proof except experience with my own port.

Injustice for all · « **Reply #539 on:** May 22, 2024, 06:11 »

Quote from: zeljkok on May 22, 2024, 01:03

I'll add it is interesting to have friendly discussion and learn from other people experiences. In my case following holds true:

1) Approved Images are followed by Increased # of downloads
2) Being stagnant (not uploading new content) gradually leads to decreased # of downloads
3) Rejected content is followed by sharp decline in # of downloads, but only over short period of time

There might be "Adobe Rank" token attached to each port, that goes up and down based on scenarios above. Further, Each individual asset has it's own token that goes up based on download history. It also appears new content is not promoted at all.

This is all guesswork of course for which I have no proof except experience with my own port.

From my experience rejections do not affect sales.

This month has already been one of the months in which i have uploaded the most,i have worked tirelessly doubling mi video library and also uploading many photos,all real content,with an approval rate of 99%

Despite this,my sales are slow this month,so i don't think that approved or rejected content in themselves can increase or decrease sales.

what can happen is that with a lot of approved content,you can gain visibility,selling both new and old content,perhaps this one.

for the moment this month of May 2024 for me is the worst month of 2024 so far.

However, I'm not very worried about it because I already know that Adobe's sales system will make me reach my current minimum value anyway.

for the moment I am still quite far from my minimum value,so for me this month will be the definitive proof of whether or not a minimum value exists.

fingers crossed!

I had already predicted an increase of only 10/20% for this month,since the May 2023 sales number was equal to my current minimum value.

while in June,July and August I should return to an increase of 40/50% because for all three of these months of 2023 the number of sales was lower than my current "minimum value"

Soon we'll see if this is the case or not,I'll let you know,if anyone is ever interested in this!

Mifornia · « **Reply #540 on:** May 22, 2024, 12:42 »

I’m yet to see minimum or maximum value in my port. My sales are not consistent, my month to month graph looks like a rollercoaster, so I can’t really predict my next month sales. (800-4,000 weekly rank)

Bestsellers are usually about 50% of my sales. When they suddenly die, my sales go down drastically. Doing better new variations of my bestsellers doesn’t bring me sales for some reason?

Yes, new content is not promoted and takes up to 6 months to take off. Some images get a random sale after sitting on the shelf for more than a year.

Images being featured might or might not lead to good sales.

My customers don’t go for very unique images that I love. At times it’s my ugliest images that sell instead of my proudest ones that I spent days working on (I quit doing that)

Blvdone posted some good on point advice. Thank you to everyone for sharing their experience. It motivates me to keep going, through I’m not uploading as much as I use to. Now, one image per day is my goal.

thx9000 · « **Reply #541 on:** May 23, 2024, 08:40 »

Is anyone else noticing a difference in sales data reporting? For the last two weeks it's like the data is being reported in the morning and then the afternoon. A batch of sales, then silence until afternoon, another batch of sales, then again nothing until late evening or even next morning. Some weekdays with weekend level of sales, then a normal/great day. I used to have a pretty steady number of sales and now it's all over the place. Definitely not used to so much fluctuations and the summer slump is still yet to come

blvdone · « **Reply #542 on:** May 23, 2024, 09:49 »

Just cracked the 1,000th!! Crack isn''t Wack!!
I used to be at around 1,600th before I started adding AI images last September. So, since then, my ranking is up about 400-600 and my revenue is up about 80%.

Pacesetter · « **Reply #543 on:** May 23, 2024, 22:00 »

Nothing great to report on my weekly ranking but I'm already well into my BME on Adobe Stock and there's still another week remaining of the month.

cobalt · « **Reply #544 on:** May 24, 2024, 06:13 »

Congrats to all that are doing well!

I am currently in the dog house with a ranking around 5800.

It is offset a bit by 26 dollar special licenses and some video sales. So May 24 is already 70% more than May 23 and we still have a week. I suppose I should not complain, but I preferred the times with higher ranks.

Summer is always bad for me and while I did upload summer themed subjects I think I did it much too late. And I did not research teh summer market well enough. I have too much of what everybody else has.

However, nearly every day I sell a christmas themed image and I am slowly beginning to sell winter and even easter images...

Now trying very hard to create people images with a personal style. But it is very difficult. I keep getting the same people/faces everybody else has. Also not yet able to create groups or several people in the style that I want.

My illustrations are very slowly picking up, it took them over a year to get their first sales. It will probably be several years before I get my money invested in illu ai art back.

i will continue doing illustrations, but I don't recommend it for money. Still have to test transforming my own sketches into ai. That is my ultimate goal, avoud learning illustrator properly, just do my own drawings then let ai do the rest.

For absolute money it seems to be the best to do is people stock.

But this is has always been true.

eta

I have around 700 people files on adobe...so a long, long way to go. Plus it will take them a while to start selling.

Currently have a round 4600 files on Adobe, more than half are winter/spring themes. Only 600 dedicated summer files.

And over 1000 illustrations, which are slow sellers.

The non seasonal images are a small group in my port.

I am sharing this, because we all benefit from honest information.

But I love my job, just need to focus more and:...finally start uploading all my normal videos!! I have such a huge backlog and videos get much better prices.

Injustice for all · « **Reply #545 on:** May 26, 2024, 05:12 »

we are losing rank positions,the fact is that we are much slower than many who produce thousands of AI contents in a couple of months at most.

they are also fluctuations in Adobe's sales system,which sometimes favors you and other times has to push you aside.

but there are also thousands of new contributors emerging thanks to AI,and they are gaining positions fast.

I lost 8,000 positions this week,I had a bad week and a strange month.

Despite this there is still hope that I can reach my minimum value,that is,the minimum number of sales I should make,a number that has been consolidated for several months.

next week either there will be a strong recovery or this month I won't be able to reach my minimum value for the first time.

for me it is important to be sure that Adobe's sales system,in the worst case scenario,still allows me to reach at least my minimum.

One week left,we'll see what happens!

cobalt · « **Reply #546 on:** May 26, 2024, 10:00 »

fwiw i made it to 4890. i think june will be better and in the end may24 will be double of may23.

Injustice for all · « **Reply #547 on:** May 27, 2024, 15:41 »

in the end last week I lost "only" 3000 positions,for a moment I ended up at -8000 then in the end of Sunday
there was a tailspin!

today normal day,nothing special,at least something.

I just saw that of the last 400 contents uploaded,a mix of every type of content,I only sold 12,of which one 3 times and 2 twice,3 sales from AI content(127/400)

16 sales in total in the last 400 contents uploaded,most have been on sale for a very short time anyway.

This month I risk making fewer sales than May 2023,and of course I'm not very happy about it and I'm quite worried,because a year has passed and if instead of selling more I end up selling less,
that's not really something I would define as encouraging!

However,there are still 4 days to go,everything is still possible,I just hope to speed up a little with these sales because everything is going too slowly,a little too much.

Pacesetter · « **Reply #548 on:** May 29, 2024, 17:58 »

How's everyone else's week going?

My weekly ranking is not too bad but my sales numbers are way down this week.

Also just had an entire day (>24 hr) without one sale on Adobe Stock. I can't remember how long it's been when I last had a day without a sale on a week day.

Sebastian Radu · « **Reply #549 on:** May 30, 2024, 01:20 »

Quote from: Pacesetter on May 29, 2024, 17:58

How's everyone else's week going?

My weekly ranking is not too bad but my sales numbers are way down this week.

Also just had an entire day (>24 hr) without one sale on Adobe Stock. I can't remember how long it's been when I last had a day without a sale on a week day.

In my case sales are also very poor, no matter how many pictures I upload or not. My rank has dropped a lot in the last weeks.

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Author Topic: What's your weekly ranking and how many images? (Read 27993 times)

pancaketom

Injustice for all

Mifornia

SuperPhoto

blvdone

Injustice for all

pancaketom

Injustice for all

blvdone

Injustice for all

blvdone

blvdone

Injustice for all

zeljkok

Injustice for all

Mifornia

thx9000

blvdone

Pacesetter

cobalt

Injustice for all

cobalt

Injustice for all

Pacesetter

Sebastian Radu

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