Author Topic: What's your weekly ranking and how many images? (Read 92396 times)

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #1175 on:** December 09, 2024, 16:46 »

Quote from: Andrej.S. on December 09, 2024, 16:06

...If I add grain in Photoshop 80% of you would assume it's a real photo.
https://i.ibb.co/mBmJr5p/Universal-Upscaler-dc3663a9-364e-434a-978f-356af59f4967-grain.jpg

This just screams fake.

Arguably not too different from the over-airbrushed, liquify-filter, skin smoothed fashion covers that have been around for years, but now those are churned out in industrial quantities, not handsful.

The masses of getAI people images on Adobe Stock look like a clone army of slick and polished humanoids.

The main issue is the size of the market for stock images. It's not growing anything like as fast (at an educated guess) as the supply of content. And there's only a portion of the buyer population who want the shiny-happy-fakey humanoids. If what was being produced with genAI substantially increased the size of the customer group or the volume of content they're licensing this might be a game changer.

As it is, the more of the look-alike content being generated just increases competition for the buyers who do want that look.

cobalt · « **Reply #1176 on:** December 09, 2024, 16:51 »

"So do you really think that just a normal buyer does even care if it's AI or a real photo if he's gonna use it just for a blog or Website?"

I was a buyer and I would be absolutely pissed if I zoom into my image full size and I see monster hands. Would never buy from that artist again.

I used to have "don't buy here" list for disappointing ports.

Of course I had a much larger list for good ports that had a nice quality for the content that I was looking for.

It is your business. I try to offer the quality that I want to receive myself.

eta

I disagree on the growth of the buyer market. I think especially now with ai a lot of people will realize that buying directly from Adobe and then perhaps modifying the image with photoshop, is a lot cheaper and much faster than prompting yourself.

Also more and more countries are moving up and once people use more photoshop, chances are they will also buy stock images via the adobe plan.

If Adobe keeps adding more photoshop subscribers, we will get more customers.

And I think the Ai collection is bringing in a lot of new buyers. Many obviously giving up their plans at the other places to now subscribe from Adobe.

Which probably means the other places will start taking ai at some point.

Because giving customers an ai tool, is like giving customers a camera. Yes they can prompt/take it themselves...but they don't have the time.

Andrej.S. · « **Reply #1177 on:** December 09, 2024, 18:01 »

Quote from: Jo Ann Snover on December 09, 2024, 16:46

Quote from: Andrej.S. on December 09, 2024, 16:06
...If I add grain in Photoshop 80% of you would assume it's a real photo.
https://i.ibb.co/mBmJr5p/Universal-Upscaler-dc3663a9-364e-434a-978f-356af59f4967-grain.jpg

This just screams fake.

Arguably not too different from the over-airbrushed, liquify-filter, skin smoothed fashion covers that have been around for years, but now those are churned out in industrial quantities, not handsful.

The masses of getAI people images on Adobe Stock look like a clone army of slick and polished humanoids.

The main issue is the size of the market for stock images. It's not growing anything like as fast (at an educated guess) as the supply of content. And there's only a portion of the buyer population who want the shiny-happy-fakey humanoids. If what was being produced with genAI substantially increased the size of the customer group or the volume of content they're licensing this might be a game changer.

As it is, the more of the look-alike content being generated just increases competition for the buyers who do want that look.

Sorry but you're just someone who constantly moans and never takes action to change things.

One more natural image for you without liquid makeup:
https://i.ibb.co/LSqYrhw/Universal-Upscaler-ed5ba351-712d-44d1-8e0f-e795a0726b2b-grain.jpg

Quote from: cobalt on December 09, 2024, 16:51

"So do you really think that just a normal buyer does even care if it's AI or a real photo if he's gonna use it just for a blog or Website?"

I was a buyer and I would be absolutely pissed if I zoom into my image full size and I see monster hands. Would never buy from that artist again.

I used to have "don't buy here" list for disappointing ports.

Of course I had a much larger list for good ports that had a nice quality for the content that I was looking for.

It is your business. I try to offer the quality that I want to receive myself.

eta

I disagree on the growth of the buyer market. I think especially now with ai a lot of people will realize that buying directly from Adobe and then perhaps modifying the image with photoshop, is a lot cheaper and much faster than prompting yourself.

Also more and more countries are moving up and once people use more photoshop, chances are they will also buy stock images via the adobe plan.

If Adobe keeps adding more photoshop subscribers, we will get more customers.

And I think the Ai collection is bringing in a lot of new buyers. Many obviously giving up their plans at the other places to now subscribe from Adobe.

Which probably means the other places will start taking ai at some point.

Because giving customers an ai tool, is like giving customers a camera. Yes they can prompt/take it themselves...but they don't have the time.

Exactly my words. The market will grow because the quality will rise in the next years and most of the buyers are just lazy to prompt or have no clue what they really want until they see what they like.

cobalt · « **Reply #1178 on:** December 10, 2024, 00:18 »

Customers are not „lazy“. They have urgent design projects and are often stressed and overworked..

Besides if you want to take money from other people, it is helpful to have a respectful attitude to customers. You might never meet them, but there is a real human on the other side of this trade.

And Jo Ann is one of the most respected voices in our community, we are grateful to have her.

The industry is in a very critical stage and it is much harder to earn money than a few years ago.

Many people think I am crazy that I want to get back to a full time stock income.

Which is why I keep sharing results.

Easy1 · « **Reply #1179 on:** December 10, 2024, 15:10 »

Well, the problem is that in the near future you dont need to create your powerpoint presenation anymore or your Blog posting. It will be done by an Agent. The Agent will create the graphics, style... There wont be that big need for being able to prompt a nice picture. Give it 1-2 more years and dont look just for ChatGPT, there are much better tools for this, like Writesonic. And do companies really need so many presenations anymore in the future? My guess is that many meetings will be replaced by data driven AI decisions. But lets get back to the topic

cascoly · « **Reply #1180 on:** December 10, 2024, 18:05 »

Quote from: Andrej.S. on December 09, 2024, 14:41

What the heck are you talking about guys?
I see you didn't even try to use AI for daily business tasks like coding review / coding description, writing concepts, summerize und structurize pdf documents, translating texts, review of contracts, evaluation of customer feedback, etc.

When you have problems and chat with the Amazon support, do you really think there are real people even typing, when you want get a refund?

Just use google for AI use cases or better ask an AI chatbot.

The hallucinations problem will be solved with agents (ChatGPT 5) and a multiple plausibilty check of the generated answers.

By the way this week looks ok sofar:
38 Downloads, 26,39 $.

yes, same here - i use ChatGPT for 1st drafts for my blog for travel & historical posts, for code segments, suggesting blog titles, write image collection descriptions and item descriptions for etsy, ebay& amazon. i use visual mind to produce 100s of excellent titles, captions & tags for images in minutes it otherwise takes me about an hour to do 50-100

all these examples need minimal no editing

SuperPhoto · « **Reply #1181 on:** December 10, 2024, 18:30 »

Quote from: Andrej.S. on December 09, 2024, 16:06

Original Flux generation:
https://i.ibb.co/yWZ3w1r/129af1b37acd4242add16c925bc66126.jpg

AI 2x Upscale:
https://i.ibb.co/r7YFVPH/Universal-Upscaler-dc3663a9-364e-434a-978f-356af59f4967.jpg

But she has only 4 fingers and is missing a thumb ... If you look at original stock photos, you'll see that the human fingers are often even more disgusting in reality.

If I add grain in Photoshop 80% of you would assume it's a real photo.
https://i.ibb.co/mBmJr5p/Universal-Upscaler-dc3663a9-364e-434a-978f-356af59f4967-grain.jpg

So do you really think that just a normal buyer does even care if it's AI or a real photo if he's gonna use it just for a blog or Website?

What is the 'flux' model? Is that an online service, or something you download & generate from your computer?

cobalt · « **Reply #1182 on:** December 10, 2024, 23:27 »

flux is an ai from blackforestlabs

https://blackforestlabs.ai/ultra-home/#get-flux

it is supposed to give results similar to midjourney, but i tried it a lot and especially for people or anything photorealistic, I personally disagree.

But it allows private prompting and can be used on many different platforms.

Andrej.S. · « **Reply #1183 on:** December 11, 2024, 06:46 »

Crashed hard today with just 5 Downloads.
Monday and yesterday I had together 88 Downloads and was position 2.820.

Hope this will turn around in the evening and the remaining week.

Andrej.S. · « **Reply #1184 on:** December 11, 2024, 07:16 »

Quote from: SuperPhoto on December 10, 2024, 18:30

Quote from: Andrej.S. on December 09, 2024, 16:06
Original Flux generation:
https://i.ibb.co/yWZ3w1r/129af1b37acd4242add16c925bc66126.jpg

AI 2x Upscale:
https://i.ibb.co/r7YFVPH/Universal-Upscaler-dc3663a9-364e-434a-978f-356af59f4967.jpg

But she has only 4 fingers and is missing a thumb ... If you look at original stock photos, you'll see that the human fingers are often even more disgusting in reality.

If I add grain in Photoshop 80% of you would assume it's a real photo.
https://i.ibb.co/mBmJr5p/Universal-Upscaler-dc3663a9-364e-434a-978f-356af59f4967-grain.jpg

So do you really think that just a normal buyer does even care if it's AI or a real photo if he's gonna use it just for a blog or Website?

What is the 'flux' model? Is that an online service, or something you download & generate from your computer?

It's an open source AI generation model like Stable Diffusion.
You can run it local on your computer but you need very powerful hardware.

But you can also run it on a server, which you can rent for about 1 USD / hour. But it takes time to set it up.
You can also use an already final API, which costs about 1 to 2 cent per image generarion (approx 10 seconds generarion time).

Just use google for further information.

Injustice for all · « **Reply #1185 on:** December 11, 2024, 07:36 »

the problem with Midjourney is that it costs too much at 67.91 euros including VAT for a pro plan.

30hr/month fast GPU but due to the excessive quantity of errors that the AI generates,these hours of fast GPU end immediately,and this also seems to me like an attempt to consume fast GPU time,since occasionally symbols are also generated on main subjects in order to make you use the editor and consume more GPU time and therefore buy more time at 4usd/hr.

I think that due to the numerous generation errors,it would be more fair to give at least 100 hours of fast GPU for pro plan and 250 hours for the mega plan.

I haven't tried flux yet but it's on the list.

bad week so far,but I should still close December with more sales than last year,it will probably only be a few more.

Andrej.S. · « **Reply #1186 on:** December 11, 2024, 07:47 »

Quote from: Injustice for all on December 11, 2024, 07:36

the problem with Midjourney is that it costs too much at 67.91 euros including VAT for a pro plan.

30hr/month fast GPU but due to the excessive quantity of errors that the AI generates,these hours of fast GPU end immediately,and this also seems to me like an attempt to consume fast GPU time,since occasionally symbols are also generated on main subjects in order to make you use the editor and consume more GPU time and therefore buy more time at 4usd/hr.

I think that due to the numerous generation errors,it would be more fair to give at least 100 hours of fast GPU for pro plan and 250 hours for the mega plan.

I haven't tried flux yet but it's on the list.

bad week so far,but I should still close December with more sales than last year,it will probably only be a few more.

Yeah midjourney is way too expensive.
I mean 8 to 10 USD / month with unlimited slow generation time would be o.k.

With Flux I can generate for 10 USD about 1000 images of which about 80% are usable without errors or very minor things that can be fixed in 10 to 20 seconds.

There are also some providers with unlimited flux generations for about 10 USD / month but the generation time is higher with up to 40 seconds / image.

Hope this week will pick up again.

/////////
Downloads are very slowly picking up.
Currently 8 downloads today.

Probably I *removed coarse language* up my portfolio ranking because of submitting too many christmas images with too little variarions and now beeing marked as spammer.

So I will try to diversify quickly my portfolio and submit less similar topics.

cobalt · « **Reply #1187 on:** December 11, 2024, 11:51 »

I think the prices for ai production will go down a lot in the next few years. There will be more and more people signing up, so the companies will literally make it up in volume.

I also think cloud upsizing will come at an affordable rate, especially for ai video.

Had a little surprise, moved up a little bit

But December 24 will probably be 25-30% less than December 23

Unless I get lucky and my spring files start to sell end of the month to balance it.

Andrej.S. · « **Reply #1188 on:** December 11, 2024, 16:44 »

Quote from: cobalt on December 11, 2024, 11:51

I think the prices for ai production will go down a lot in the next few years. There will be more and more people signing up, so the companies will literally make it up in volume.

I also think cloud upsizing will come at an affordable rate, especially for ai video.

Had a little surprise, moved up a little bit

But December 24 will probably be 25-30% less than December 23

Unless I get lucky and my spring files start to sell end of the month to balance it.

Brutal, if you consider that you probably added some thousands new images.
So, you have to very wisely look up for into niches and fill them quickly so that you diversify your portfolio. Otherwise, it doesn't make any sense.

Today was a weak day with 27 downloads. This week, I have sofar a total of 114 downloads. I will for sure drop down tomorrow from position 2,820 to 3xxx or even 4xxx.

cobalt · « **Reply #1189 on:** December 11, 2024, 19:44 »

last year i was on the bestseller list end of november, that gave me a strong push and increased sales, at least 30% more.

and this year i had 60% spring summer going live instead of winter because of the long queue.

I think if I am more careful next year, I will be fine.

This year I also have less individual bestsellers, insted a much wider variety of sales. Mostly just 1-5 times, but this gives me better copycat protection.

So, yes I am disappointed, but I think it is mostly my own fault.

My bestsellers from last year are still selling, but now more like several times a week instead of several times a day.

But they still sell, which is good. Often bestsellers die after one season.

Andrej.S. · « **Reply #1190 on:** December 12, 2024, 04:56 »

Quote from: cobalt on December 11, 2024, 19:44

last year i was on the bestseller list end of november, that gave me a strong push and increased sales, at least 30% more.

and this year i had 60% spring summer going live instead of winter because of the long queue.

I think if I am more careful next year, I will be fine.

This year I also have less individual bestsellers, insted a much wider variety of sales. Mostly just 1-5 times, but this gives me better copycat protection.

So, yes I am disappointed, but I think it is mostly my own fault.

My bestsellers from last year are still selling, but now more like several times a week instead of several times a day.

But they still sell, which is good. Often bestsellers die after one season.

The question I'm asking myself now is:
How exactly do new images affect the portfolio ranking and image ranking in the search algorithm?

Specifically, I want to know if it's possible that my own new images on the same topic are competing with my own bestsellers, and if I'm harming myself.

It's probably better to only upload 1 or 2 variants of an image, rather than 4 or 5.

I have the impression that my 500 newly reviewed images are suddenly slowing down sales. Previously, I had bestsellers that sold 10 times a day, but now they're not selling at all. Instead, the new images are selling less often 1-2 times.

It seems that there's an algorithm shift in the search results. And I'm wondering if I'm to blame for it myself.

cobalt · « **Reply #1191 on:** December 12, 2024, 05:14 »

Algos shift all the time. The only way to deal with that is to diversify.

And you always have other people uploading similar files. Now with ai they might be near identical.

Files uploaded or being approved at the same time as yours are your main competition. That includes your own files.

You want the customers to ideally pick and push their favorite file up in the algos by buying it or at least viewing and lightboxing.

But if you upload 30 similar files from a series, this becomes very difficult.

So one easy thing you can do is to spread the uploads a lot more. Weekly batches of that theme or maybe even monthly.

The other thing I personally do is I do test searches every day on my favorite genres. Not just to see what is coming in but also when do people upload this type of content? And can I avoid clashing with them by uploading at a different time??

It all takes a lot of practise and is hard work, just like general research.

But it is the only way to rise up in the algos with a small portfolio.

Most important: don't just do ai. And don't just upload to Adobe.

Andrej.S. · « **Reply #1192 on:** December 12, 2024, 05:36 »

Quote from: cobalt on December 12, 2024, 05:14

Algos shift all the time. The only way to deal with that is to diversify.

And you always have other people uploading similar files. Now with ai they might be near identical.

Files uploaded or being approved at the same time as yours are your main competition. That includes your own files.

You want the customers to ideally pick and push their favorite file up in the algos by buying it or at least viewing and lightboxing.

But if you upload 30 similar files from a series, this becomes very difficult.

So one easy thing you can do is to spread the uploads a lot more. Weekly batches of that theme or maybe even monthly.

The other thing I personally do is I do test searches every day on my favorite genres. Not just to see what is coming in but also when do people upload this type of content? And can I avoid clashing with them by uploading at a different time??

It all takes a lot of practise and is hard work, just like general research.

But it is the only way to rise up in the algos with a small portfolio.

Most important: don't just do ai. And don't just upload to Adobe.

Yes, that makes absolute sense.
The algorithm probably also considers the date and favors current images when quality and theme are equal. Timing is everything. If you miss the window of buyer interest, your images risk getting lost in infinity.

I'll do a test later to see what happens when I delete some of my images that are ranked lower in the search results, whether my better-positioned images will get a boost.

One should take a portfolio like this as an example:
https://stock.adobe.com/de/contributor/202483008/Romolo%20Tavani

Only 3,000 images and over 1 million downloads within 10 years (?).
However, copying his images wouldn't work, as he's built his rankings over a decade. If he would expand his portfolio now, it might probably harm his rankings in the algorithms.
This would also explain how some small contributors can get better results than big huge teams with many hundred thousands of images.

cobalt · « **Reply #1193 on:** December 12, 2024, 06:21 »

Romolo is a legend in the holiday images. He might have the most successful portfolio ever for this type of content.

Nothing is ai, everything real images and photoshop. (I think)

But I don't believe anyone can ever catch up to him, because his algo ranking is impossible to match these days.

However it is a great example of how only choosing the superbest content works.

eta

I would be very careful about deleting files. Agencies don't like that and customers who have lightboxed these files for a future project like it it even less.

It takes time for files to sell, I have many files that only started selling a few years after uploading.

Better to just improve your uploads.

Andrej.S. · « **Reply #1194 on:** December 12, 2024, 10:47 »

Quote from: cobalt on December 12, 2024, 06:21

Romolo is a legend in the holiday images. He might have the most successful portfolio ever for this type of content.

Nothing is ai, everything real images and photoshop. (I think)

But I don't believe anyone can ever catch up to him, because his algo ranking is impossible to match these days.

However it is a great example of how only choosing the superbest content works.

eta

I would be very careful about deleting files. Agencies don't like that and customers who have lightboxed these files for a future project like it it even less.

It takes time for files to sell, I have many files that only started selling a few years after uploading.

Better to just improve your uploads.

Jeah, he is really a beast. He literally sold every image at least once in his portfolio.

Also very broad diversified. The algo ranking must be crazy.

With AI choosing the superbest one is quite difficult because you can generate an infinite amount and you will always get a slighty better one.
And then the difference is so small that you can't choose and start spamming.

I bet that Adobe punishes the rankings of spammers.

So the interesting part is how Adobe decides which one is better, because when the images are reviewed you see them on various ranking positions in the search results even they have the same upload date and keywords.

cobalt · « **Reply #1195 on:** December 12, 2024, 10:58 »

algo rankings come from customer interactions

there is no way for a reviewer to evaluate that

the algo software might apply a base rank based on past experiences but is the customers that will make the big push.

it is all about them.

eta

just wanted to add that i also have a lot of new holiday content that did not sell at all. And it is content that did not exist like this before.

But the customers didn‘t take to it, they preferred files from a similar theme that is completely overrun with endless duplicates.

I thought they would appreciate the difference, but it didn‘t work.

Perhaps it will be popular in some other season.

eta2

little happy dance

a little bump up

7200 files

Injustice for all · « **Reply #1196 on:** December 12, 2024, 14:36 »

yes Cobalt,in fact,I have content that came out of last year's free collection,and I have sold it many times lately,much more than other content that in my opinion deserves much more,why?

Because the content that came out of the free collection obtained many more interactions than other contents which,despite deserving more,had no interactions.

I'm glad it's going well for you,you've worked hard and you deserve it,but for me it's a terrible week,perhaps the most terrible of the year....terrible..terrible..is just terrible!

cobalt · « **Reply #1197 on:** December 12, 2024, 15:22 »

We can only learn from what we do. 2 years from now we will have a much better understanding of what is happening.

It is very interesting that files coming out of the free collection get good sales. They have probably been lightboxed like crazy.

Inspite of going up the month is still on track to be a loss compared to last year.

But I am uploading as much as I can, maybe I get lucky.

Overall the year is better than last year, but I also have a lot more files.

Mifornia · « **Reply #1198 on:** December 12, 2024, 21:44 »

Quote from: cobalt on December 12, 2024, 06:21

I would be very careful about deleting files. Agencies don't like that and customers who have lightboxed these files for a future project like it it even less.

What do people do after they reach 100 pages? Do they delete old images to upload new ones ?

Mifornia · « **Reply #1199 on:** December 12, 2024, 22:26 »

art and photography is not AI’s future, AI is already devalued visuals. It’s done. Just 2 years ago this forum was filled with people who believed that customers will boycott AI yet best sellers are filled with AI now. Using professional cameras and paints will be as foreign to next generation as riding horse carriages. There will be no point, only few wealthy will spend their money on that.
( what % of traditional artists can draw/paint correct fingers? Probably same amount as AI prompters who can generate correct hands and natural people. Yet, it can be done now )

AI future is warfare , transportation, and healthcare
Particularly macro bots that will be available in next 5 years to be injected in to your bloodstream to monitor personalized for your needs health issues to prevent problems. Life saving and even delayed aging will be possible with AI macro bots. (For those who don’t want to use AI in your healthcare, don’t do Invisiline or crowns, since scan is done with AI for several years already, etc.)

Smart AI macro bots will be able to boost your IQ up to 100 times and you can finish 12 grades or PHD in a year or less, learn a new language in a day, etc.. Unfortunately, macro bots will further increase the difference of income, since not everyone will be able to afford them. So it’ll be wealthy people who will make a lot of money with their careers when macro bots will come out.

People use to cling to old technology like rotary phones, and said they didn’t need a mobile or smartphone, yet who is using pagers now?

PS: I can draw perfect classical hands and teach you to do that, in case AI will fail 😉 if China and Russsia will stop exporting the rare minerals that needed for AI chip production or US will not reopen nuclear power plants that are needed for massive AI computing.

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