Author Topic: What a cool Adobe Stock AI image uploads, how well he sells. (Read 5262 times)

blvdone · « **on:** September 28, 2023, 16:08 »

Is this title even grammatically correct?

OK, I just got about 100 AI generated photos accepted in the last few days. 3 of those AI photos have been sold once. This is cool. What a cool Adobe Stock and Midjourney!! Maybe I'll sell all my cameras and lenses soon.

MZP · « **Reply #1 on:** September 29, 2023, 01:04 »

No need to sell your photographic gear just yet, but AI generated images do sell really, really well. At least in my experience.

blvdone · « **Reply #2 on:** September 29, 2023, 16:10 »

Quote from: MihaiZaharia on September 29, 2023, 01:04

No need to sell your photographic gear just yet, but AI generated images do sell really, really well. At least in my experience.

Maybe AI is bad for camera manufacturers.

userpoland · « **Reply #3 on:** September 30, 2023, 01:42 »

Maybe the graphics and photos are beautiful. Apparently Midjourney steals photos and graphics without the authors consent. Probably not an honest company. It is better to use Adobe Ai honestly

Her Ugliness · « **Reply #4 on:** September 30, 2023, 04:43 »

Quote from: userpoland on September 30, 2023, 01:42

Maybe the graphics and photos are beautiful. Apparently Midjourney steals photos and graphics without the authors consent. Probably not an honest company. It is better to use Adobe Ai honestly

You mean Adobe AI which has been trained with Midjourney AI images....?

synthetick · « **Reply #5 on:** September 30, 2023, 06:14 »

Sooooo ethical /s

blvdone · « **Reply #6 on:** September 30, 2023, 06:26 »

Quote from: userpoland on September 30, 2023, 01:42

Maybe the graphics and photos are beautiful. Apparently Midjourney steals photos and graphics without the authors consent. Probably not an honest company. It is better to use Adobe Ai honestly

Just tried Adobe Firefly, but Midjourney is much better. Firefly generated images aren't on point and not usable for stock photo yet.

userpoland · « **Reply #7 on:** September 30, 2023, 13:53 »

Adobe Ai has content and commercial use rights. Midjourney has more data for content creation but I don't think it has commercial use rights. Even for a fee.

Deyan Georgiev Photography · « **Reply #8 on:** October 01, 2023, 01:33 »

Quote from: userpoland on September 30, 2023, 13:53

Adobe Ai has content and commercial use rights. Midjourney has more data for content creation but I don't think it has commercial use rights. Even for a fee.

So Adobe are uninformed and misled or they are sufficiently informed and after analysis have decided to accept this AI pictures? To me is the second.

Her Ugliness · « **Reply #9 on:** October 01, 2023, 01:40 »

Quote from: Deyan Georgiev Photography on October 01, 2023, 01:33

Quote from: userpoland on September 30, 2023, 13:53
Adobe Ai has content and commercial use rights. Midjourney has more data for content creation but I don't think it has commercial use rights. Even for a fee.

So Adobe are uninformed and misled or they are sufficiently informed and after analysis have decided to accept this AI pictures? To me is the second.

Midjourney gives commercial use rights.
Every of their plans gives you General Commercial usage rights, unless you are part of a company with more than $1,000,000 USD a year in gross revenue. Then you need a "pro" or "mega" plan.

userpoland · « **Reply #10 on:** October 01, 2023, 05:53 »

Ok. Where does Midjourney get the data to create the images? Does it have permission from the authors?

Adobe Ai. It has the rights to create the images because it has its library and shares the profits with the authors.

Her Ugliness · « **Reply #11 on:** October 01, 2023, 05:55 »

Quote from: userpoland on October 01, 2023, 05:53

Ok. Where does Midjourney get the data to create the images? Does it have permission from the authors?

Adobe Ai. It has the rights to create the images because it has its library and shares the profits with the authors.

No, they do not have permission, they just scraped the internet
But since Adobe trained thair AI also with Midjourney (and DALL-E, and Stable diffusion, etc...) images, they also trained their AI with images they had no permission to use. So, same thing.
Adobe just keeps saying their AI was ethnical and fair - and legally safe. But since they deliberately also used other AI generator's AI images submitted by contributors to their database to train their own AI, they know very well that this is just a ruse. Could have been so easily avoided if they only used real photos to train their AI, but they decided against that.

synthetick · « **Reply #12 on:** October 01, 2023, 06:25 »

Quote from: Her Ugliness on October 01, 2023, 05:55

Quote from: userpoland on October 01, 2023, 05:53
Ok. Where does Midjourney get the data to create the images? Does it have permission from the authors?

Adobe Ai. It has the rights to create the images because it has its library and shares the profits with the authors.

No, they do not have permission, they just scraped the internet
But since Adobe trained thair AI also with Midjourney (and DALL-E, and Stable difusion, etc...) images, they also trained their AI with images they had no permission to use. So, same thing.
Adobe just keeps saying their AI was ethnical and fair - and legally safe. But since they deliberately also used other AI generator's AI images submitted by contributors to their database to train their own AI, they know very well that this is just a ruse. Could have been so easily avoided if they only used real photos to train their AI, but they decided against that.

Well said! I questioned them about this and they circumnavigated it by responding that their AI contributors warrant that they have all copyrights to the images when they submit them. I was very disappointed that they trained their AI on AI.

blvdone · « **Reply #13 on:** October 03, 2023, 07:12 »

I wonder how Midjourney got their "Dataset". Is there any alternative to Midjourney to create AI stock photos?

Mir · « **Reply #14 on:** October 03, 2023, 07:20 »

Quote from: blvdone on October 03, 2023, 07:12

I wonder how Midjourney got their "Dataset". Is there any alternative to Midjourney to create AI stock photos?

They scraped the internet.

Bauman · « **Reply #15 on:** October 03, 2023, 08:16 »

Quote from: Mir on October 03, 2023, 07:20

Quote from: blvdone on October 03, 2023, 07:12
I wonder how Midjourney got their "Dataset". Is there any alternative to Midjourney to create AI stock photos?

They scraped the internet.

Laion-5B, a nonprofit, publicly available database that indexes more than five billion images from across the Internet, including the work of many artists.

See here: https://www.newyorker.com/culture/infinite-scroll/is-ai-art-stealing-from-artists

blvdone · « **Reply #16 on:** October 03, 2023, 08:31 »

Quote from: Mir on October 03, 2023, 07:20

Quote from: blvdone on October 03, 2023, 07:12
I wonder how Midjourney got their "Dataset". Is there any alternative to Midjourney to create AI stock photos?

They scraped the internet.

That's impressive. Midjourney is much better than Adobe Firefly at least for now.

blvdone · « **Reply #17 on:** October 03, 2023, 08:33 »

Quote from: Bauman on October 03, 2023, 08:16

Quote from: Mir on October 03, 2023, 07:20
Quote from: blvdone on October 03, 2023, 07:12
I wonder how Midjourney got their "Dataset". Is there any alternative to Midjourney to create AI stock photos?

They scraped the internet.

Laion-5B, a nonprofit, publicly available database that indexes more than five billion images from across the Internet, including the work of many artists.

See here: https://www.newyorker.com/culture/infinite-scroll/is-ai-art-stealing-from-artists

There must be a collective lawsuit against Midjourney in the future.

derby · « **Reply #18 on:** October 03, 2023, 09:49 »

Quote

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They scraped the internet.
There must be a collective lawsuit against Midjourney in the future.

After one year of existence and development of Midjourney a lot of discussions about these point, but I think it's not so simple and not so fast, it will take time and a lot of different opinions, as the subject is quite new.

Collective lawsuit, if there should be the conditions, would already started. At the contrary, only few single artists lawsuit has been submitted (for what I know)

JaenStock · « **Reply #19 on:** October 03, 2023, 10:37 »

this forum no longer makes sense

Her Ugliness · « **Reply #20 on:** October 03, 2023, 13:46 »

Quote from: blvdone on October 03, 2023, 08:33

Quote from: Bauman on October 03, 2023, 08:16
Quote from: Mir on October 03, 2023, 07:20
Quote from: blvdone on October 03, 2023, 07:12
I wonder how Midjourney got their "Dataset". Is there any alternative to Midjourney to create AI stock photos?

They scraped the internet.

Laion-5B, a nonprofit, publicly available database that indexes more than five billion images from across the Internet, including the work of many artists.

See here: https://www.newyorker.com/culture/infinite-scroll/is-ai-art-stealing-from-artists

There must be a collective lawsuit against Midjourney in the future.

So far it's difficult, because artists have a hard time proving that their specific image was used to train Midjourney's AI.

But there is talk about an EU law that will require developers of AI to make all material that was used to train an AI public. It's unclear if this will pass, so far it's just a draft. But if it happens, artists will have a better chance with lawsuits, because then at least they will be able to prove that their images/text/music/voice/etc. was even used.

cascoly · « **Reply #21 on:** October 04, 2023, 13:06 »

Quote from: Her Ugliness on October 03, 2023, 13:46

So far it's difficult, because artists have a hard time proving that their specific image was used to train Midjourney's AI.

But there is talk about an EU law that will require developers of AI to make all material that was used to train an AI public. It's unclear if this will pass, so far it's just a draft. But if it happens, artists will have a better chance with lawsuits, because then at least they will be able to prove that their images/text/music/voice/etc. was even used.

not practical for anyone w 100+ imag es on multiple sites, having to do individual searches & recording - all for .00001c per image

ole999 · « **Reply #22 on:** October 07, 2023, 04:52 »

Just tried Adobe Firefly, but Midjourney is much better. Firefly generated images aren't on point and not usable for stock photo yet.
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Firefly is terrible - but will be better. Adobe is a clever company. Adobe should never have allowed the use of Midjourney, it's unethical.

Her Ugliness · « **Reply #23 on:** October 07, 2023, 05:59 »

Quote from: cascoly on October 04, 2023, 13:06

Quote from: Her Ugliness on October 03, 2023, 13:46

So far it's difficult, because artists have a hard time proving that their specific image was used to train Midjourney's AI.

But there is talk about an EU law that will require developers of AI to make all material that was used to train an AI public. It's unclear if this will pass, so far it's just a draft. But if it happens, artists will have a better chance with lawsuits, because then at least they will be able to prove that their images/text/music/voice/etc. was even used.

not practical for anyone w 100+ imag es on multiple sites, having to do individual searches & recording - all for .00001c per image

Not sure what you are talking about. I am talking about potential lawsuits of copyright violations. Winning a lawsuit against a big company for copyright violation should give you way more than .00001c.

Oewkio · « **Reply #24 on:** October 07, 2023, 06:32 »

Quote from: ole999 on October 07, 2023, 04:52

Just tried Adobe Firefly, but Midjourney is much better. Firefly generated images aren't on point and not usable for stock photo yet.

Firefly is terrible - but will be better. Adobe is a clever company. Adobe should never have allowed the use of Midjourney, it's unethical.
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Are you saying Adobe's Firefly is ethical? They stole our images and threw some pennies at us.

wds · « **Reply #25 on:** October 07, 2023, 10:54 »

Quote from: blvdone on September 28, 2023, 16:08

Is this title even grammatically correct?

OK, I just got about 100 AI generated photos accepted in the last few days. 3 of those AI photos have been sold once. This is cool. What a cool Adobe Stock and Midjourney!! Maybe I'll sell all my cameras and lenses soon.

How would you characterize your "learning curve" in terms of time/effort to be able to generate "quality" stock imagery for your portfolio?

cascoly · « **Reply #26 on:** October 07, 2023, 11:56 »

Quote from: Her Ugliness on October 07, 2023, 05:59

Quote from: cascoly on October 04, 2023, 13:06
Quote from: Her Ugliness on October 03, 2023, 13:46

So far it's difficult, because artists have a hard time proving that their specific image was used to train Midjourney's AI.

But there is talk about an EU law that will require developers of AI to make all material that was used to train an AI public. It's unclear if this will pass, so far it's just a draft. But if it happens, artists will have a better chance with lawsuits, because then at least they will be able to prove that their images/text/music/voice/etc. was even used.

not practical for anyone w 100+ imag es on multiple sites, having to do individual searches & recording - all for .00001c per image

Not sure what you are talking about. I am talking about potential lawsuits of copyright violations. Winning a lawsuit against a big company for copyright violation should give you way more than .00001c.

>>> EU law that will require developers of AI to make all material that was used to train an AI public.

so a company makes hundreds of millions of images available - how do you find yours w/o searching for each of your images? for 100 image portffolio that's reasonable - for 10,000+? unlikely

additionally who is responsible when an AI developer buys their trained dataset from someone else (ie, never actually touched any image)

Her Ugliness · « **Reply #27 on:** October 07, 2023, 12:29 »

Quote from: cascoly on October 07, 2023, 11:56

Quote from: Her Ugliness on October 07, 2023, 05:59
Quote from: cascoly on October 04, 2023, 13:06
Quote from: Her Ugliness on October 03, 2023, 13:46

So far it's difficult, because artists have a hard time proving that their specific image was used to train Midjourney's AI.

But there is talk about an EU law that will require developers of AI to make all material that was used to train an AI public. It's unclear if this will pass, so far it's just a draft. But if it happens, artists will have a better chance with lawsuits, because then at least they will be able to prove that their images/text/music/voice/etc. was even used.

not practical for anyone w 100+ imag es on multiple sites, having to do individual searches & recording - all for .00001c per image

Not sure what you are talking about. I am talking about potential lawsuits of copyright violations. Winning a lawsuit against a big company for copyright violation should give you way more than .00001c.
>>> EU law that will require developers of AI to make all material that was used to train an AI public.

so a company makes hundreds of millions of images available - how do you find yours w/o searching for each of your images? for 100 image portffolio that's reasonable - for 10,000+? unlikely

How would I know, I do not know any specifics of how the EU plans to make this possible. I do not even think it will even ever happen. ChatGPT has already said they would rather withdraw from the European market than have to make the info public - Because they know very well that, since they used the WHOLE INTERNET making a list is hardly posisble and even if they did it would just make them extremely vulnerable to lawsuits. The same will go for the AI image creators that just let their AI crawl the whole internet for image training. How would you even make a list with ALL images of the internet? That's hardly possible. But the point of this law and why I would welcome it is that it would show these companies that they screwed up and used copyrighted material they had no right to use. If they just had bought licenses from for example microstock agencies they could make a complete list with image IDs and artists' names. But they did not do that, so they can't.

cascoly · « **Reply #28 on:** October 08, 2023, 15:24 »

Quote from: Her Ugliness on October 07, 2023, 12:29

... The same will go for the AI image creators that just let their AI crawl the whole internet for image training. How would you even make a list with ALL images of the internet? That's hardly possible. But the point of this law and why I would welcome it is that it would show these companies that they screwed up and used copyrighted material they had no right to use. If they just had bought licenses from for example microstock agencies they could make a complete list with image IDs and artists' names. But they did not do that, so they can't.

yes, the EU proposal would be interesting, but it also shows why the continual demand for payments for images used can't/won't happen - the deed is done. and most images don't have an artist's real name attached. and if they do, there's no way to contact them (slightly different when agencies use only their own collections to train)

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