Author Topic: Why doesn't Adobe remove AI content that is not created by Firefly? (Read 2825 times)

Kenneth_17 · « **on:** October 03, 2023, 08:00 »

I still don't fully grasp the fact that Adobe accepts AI content that wasn't created by Adobe Firefly, or at least has accepted it at some point. They argue that AI-generated content generated by Firefly is ethical in the sense that contributors are compensated, and there are no issues with intellectual property. Setting aside whether you agree with that statement or not, the statement exists.

So, implicitly (in my opinion), Adobe believes that all AI content not created with Firefly carries a risk of intellectual property problems. This risk could be for the contributor, but essentially also for the buyer.

If Adobe truly stands by their statement, shouldn't they remove all content previously created by Midjourney and other generators and only accept AI content made by Firefly? I'm not sure if Adobe can distinguish what's made by Firefly or not, but given the current three-month review time and Firefly only recently exiting beta status, it's likely that most of the existing content wasn't created by Firefly

derby · « **Reply #1 on:** October 03, 2023, 08:06 »

Quote from: Kenneth_17 on October 03, 2023, 08:00

I still don't fully grasp the fact that Adobe accepts AI content that wasn't created by Adobe Firefly, or at least has accepted it at some point. They argue that AI-generated content generated by Firefly is ethical in the sense that contributors are compensated, and there are no issues with intellectual property. Setting aside whether you agree with that statement or not, the statement exists.

So, implicitly (in my opinion), Adobe believes that all AI content not created with Firefly carries a risk of intellectual property problems. This risk could be for the contributor, but essentially also for the buyer.

If Adobe truly stands by their statement, shouldn't they remove all content previously created by Midjourney and other generators and only accept AI content made by Firefly? I'm not sure if Adobe can distinguish what's made by Firefly or not, but given the current three-month review time and Firefly only recently exiting beta status, it's likely that most of the existing content wasn't created by Firefly

Following this, should Adobe remove any content if not post produced with Adobe creative suite?

Adobe ask contributors to be sure to have ownership and commercial rights on AI (and also non AI) content.
If you have it, you can sell. What's the problem?

Midjourney (for example) gives commercial rights, so you can send it to Adobe, and that's fine.

There are no reasons for which Adobe should restrict their contributors, as long as contributors have the rights.
In general terms, there are no reasons for Adobe to restrict their market.
Also, more important, there no way to transform Adobe in a company that have to judge what is ethical and what's not.
Your wish is a commercial nonsense, sorry

Her Ugliness · « **Reply #2 on:** October 03, 2023, 08:29 »

Quote from: Kenneth_17 on October 03, 2023, 08:00

If Adobe truly stands by their statement, shouldn't they remove all content previously created by Midjourney and other generators and only accept AI content made by Firefly?

What would be the point since Adobe trained Firefly with images created with Midjourney and other generators.
No matter whether you let Midjourney create images or Adobe Firefly - since Firefly was trained with Midjourney images you end up getting images that are the result of unethical practices either way.

Kenneth_17 · « **Reply #3 on:** October 03, 2023, 08:38 »

Quote from: Her Ugliness on October 03, 2023, 08:29

Quote from: Kenneth_17 on October 03, 2023, 08:00

If Adobe truly stands by their statement, shouldn't they remove all content previously created by Midjourney and other generators and only accept AI content made by Firefly?

What would be the point since Adobe trained Firefly with images created with Midjourney and other generators.
No matter whether you let Midjourney create images or Adobe Firefly - since Firefly was trained with Midjourney images you end up getting images that are the result of unethical practices either way.

The point would be that in that case they would reinforce their words with actions. They say: "We have ethical AI content." Well, apparently not.

But that might be overly naive, I guess

Her Ugliness · « **Reply #4 on:** October 03, 2023, 13:55 »

Quote from: Kenneth_17 on October 03, 2023, 08:38

Quote from: Her Ugliness on October 03, 2023, 08:29
Quote from: Kenneth_17 on October 03, 2023, 08:00

If Adobe truly stands by their statement, shouldn't they remove all content previously created by Midjourney and other generators and only accept AI content made by Firefly?

What would be the point since Adobe trained Firefly with images created with Midjourney and other generators.
No matter whether you let Midjourney create images or Adobe Firefly - since Firefly was trained with Midjourney images you end up getting images that are the result of unethical practices either way.

The point would be that in that case they would reinforce their words with actions. They say: "We have ethical AI content."

No. Removing all content previously created by Midjourney would not reinforce their actions. It would only make them look even more hypocritical.
Never having used Midjourney created content to train their Firefly AI would have reinforced their actions. But that ship has sailed.

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