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« Reply #25 on: July 27, 2024, 04:01 »
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in my opinion,with all due respect to everyone,obviously,but in my opinion there could be reasons behind it and we simply don't have the general picture.


We dont have the full picture, but Adobe is reviewing AI images and illustrative editorial images very quickly, so theyre able to. Its only conventional photos that sit on the sidelines for weeks and weeks and weeks. The whole thing doesnt make sense.

here,this shows that there may be reasons behind these long waiting times in fact illustrative editorials are reviewed within 24 hours,and this is so for a very specific reason.

In any case,for me it's exactly the opposite,real content takes less time to review,while AI content takes a little longer,but as I was saying,all my content is reviewed well below the established times,i.e. 8 weeks.

I really don't rule out that there are very specific reasons for more or less long review times.

for example recently I had a batch of real content rejected,looking at the contents again I noticed that they were a little too overexposed,and therefore in my opinion the reviewer got it right,but the point is that some of this content from this series remained pending.

So why has some content in this real content series not been reviewed yet while the rest of this series has already been rejected?in my opinion because the quality wasn't the best,because they are slightly too overexposed.

so in conclusion,there may be a reason,and we can't say anything for sure because we don't have the big picture.



« Reply #26 on: July 27, 2024, 06:08 »
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You guys get your content reviewed?   :D :D
My review time is around 8 weeks. Lately I got an email from Adobe saying my content was accepted, I couldn't even remember I sent something for review. It's really getting ridiculous  :D

wds

« Reply #27 on: July 27, 2024, 07:16 »
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No contributor should have to wait months to get photos reviewed. What happens if it goes to 6 months?...if it goes to 1 year?

« Reply #28 on: July 27, 2024, 08:01 »
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It would be logical that review order is "enhanced" with the help of ai.

Personally I would think it would mostly be based on what customers are searching for/lightboxing. So content that is being rapidly lightboxed at the moment, would get a base push in the queue.

I doubt reviewers assign any kind of sellability rating. It would be impossible to predict for them, because they cannot know all markets and trends of the planet.

But overall I think somebody is simply deciding from a very large perspective the overall percentages they want to have in the database.

Woudln't be surprised if they want to go for "We have 100 million, 200 million ai files" for marketing because that is content others don't have.

They will not compromise on quality, but normal photos might take a back seat.

However, instead making normal content wait 5 months, why not just limit the upload levels for that content, so people make smarter selections and at least then the content goes live in a week.

Oversupply and too many similars is always bogging down all queues.

« Reply #29 on: July 27, 2024, 10:02 »
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No official word on this, I guess?

I've been with Adobestock/Fotolia since 2007 and I don't recall it ever taking this long. Like I've said before, no issue with editorials/AI being approved.

I hope they don't stop accepting new content like Bigstock did.

« Reply #30 on: July 27, 2024, 13:38 »
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What if Adobe is using AI to assign "review" token that determines place in review queue?  That token could be composite of technical aspects -i.e.  Histogram to left/right = image might be under/over exposed --> negative value to the token.   Or too much noise --> negative value to the token.   Brief run through contributor port - similar?  Negative value to the token.  Etc etc. Maybe even contributor rank comes into play.  Each week that passes would add some positive value to the token to push it higher in the queue, but as fresh content keeps arriving, anything with bad initial rating needs to wait a long time to swim out - or even never swims out - as newer content keeps getting inserted above....

very interesting & reasonable idea, but it doesn't track with my review times - i have over 300 images waiting for 2 month s, then about 150 in last 2 weeks - nothing in between. subjects extremely variable

« Reply #31 on: July 27, 2024, 16:59 »
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I am a little surprised at how many people here are talking down and bagetlizing a serious problem or even looking for explanations and excuses from an Adobe perspective. If another agency were to make such a mess, we would already have dozens of pages of ranting here.

If Adobe can establish world peace with the long review times - then I'm happy to join in.

And just to put a question in the room.

Why is it generally assumed that AI images are the future and will always be preferred by buyers?



zeljkok

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« Reply #32 on: July 27, 2024, 18:07 »
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What if Adobe is using AI to assign "review" token that determines place in review queue?  That token could be composite of technical aspects -i.e.  Histogram to left/right = image might be under/over exposed --> negative value to the token.   Or too much noise --> negative value to the token.   Brief run through contributor port - similar?  Negative value to the token.  Etc etc. Maybe even contributor rank comes into play.  Each week that passes would add some positive value to the token to push it higher in the queue, but as fresh content keeps arriving, anything with bad initial rating needs to wait a long time to swim out - or even never swims out - as newer content keeps getting inserted above....

very interesting & reasonable idea, but it doesn't track with my review times - i have over 300 images waiting for 2 month s, then about 150 in last 2 weeks - nothing in between. subjects extremely variable

I know.  We can only keep guessing and that was one possible scenario.  AI is involved in some degree I am quite certain.  Whatever the case, it's not good like this;   people in general just don't want to be kept in dark.  Bit of transparency please.

« Reply #33 on: July 27, 2024, 20:15 »
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Why is it generally assumed that AI images are the future and will always be preferred by buyers?

Because the technology is developing rapidly and will soon produce content that will really not be distinguishable from normal photos.

It allows total newbies to produce content in upscale studio production level.

So it is reasonable to assume that in a few years the majority of content produced will be ai.

With the best content produced by the most experienced stock producers.

I dont think customers will explicitly prefer ai, I thimk it will simply be the dominant content type coming into creative stock.

wds

« Reply #34 on: July 27, 2024, 21:33 »
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It wasn't all that long ago that "authentic" content was the big thing.
In some sense, AI content is about as inauthentic as you can get. I guess things change.

« Reply #35 on: July 28, 2024, 04:49 »
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You can do "authentic" with ai, it is just a style

A lot of the "authentic" content is heavily photoshopped.

Nobody wants real authentic, it will mostly get declined.


« Reply #36 on: July 28, 2024, 05:46 »
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I uploaded a panorama photo today as editorial that could of passed for commercial but I couldn't let this one wait as it is more time sensitive.

It was reviewed and accepted in just a few hours.
« Last Edit: July 28, 2024, 05:50 by Pacesetter »

« Reply #37 on: July 28, 2024, 08:43 »
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Same happened to me - had few panoramas from last trip - uploaded one as editorial, was accepted in few hours. Uploaded one as commercial - still waiting to be accepted... Both are from the same city, same spot, just different perspective, different view.

Funny, that few Christmas AI photos were accepted in a blink of an eye as well.

« Reply #38 on: July 28, 2024, 08:57 »
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AI images are the future of stock industry, but I wouldn't count on prices staying the same as they are now. AI content is just too easy to create and ever more buyers will resort to creating their own AI images. To counter buyer loss, Adobe will have to drastically reduce the prices, either only for AI content or for everything. In any case all contributors lose, no matter AI or not. So in my opinion there is no long term value in creating/submitting AI content.

That could even be the current Adobe's strategy behind the shorter review times for AI content: accept as many AI images as possible before they drop the prices, thus removing the incentive for contributors to submit AI content.

« Reply #39 on: July 28, 2024, 13:54 »
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I uploaded a panorama photo today as editorial that could of passed for commercial but I couldn't let this one wait as it is more time sensitive.

It was reviewed and accepted in just a few hours.

Sorry, but that's not how it works!

You can't just take a photo of me and put it online without a model release and my permission! I didn't even notice that you had a camera in your hand. That's stalking!

What's more, the photo isn't even recent - it must have been several months ago! I don't look that attractive anymore! The waiting for the Review is wearing me down!

« Reply #40 on: July 28, 2024, 14:27 »
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AI images are the future of stock industry, but I wouldn't count on prices staying the same as they are now. AI content is just too easy to create and ever more buyers will resort to creating their own AI images. To counter buyer loss, Adobe will have to drastically reduce the prices, either only for AI content or for everything. In any case all contributors lose, no matter AI or not. So in my opinion there is no long term value in creating/submitting AI content.

That could even be the current Adobe's strategy behind the shorter review times for AI content: accept as many AI images as possible before they drop the prices, thus removing the incentive for contributors to submit AI content.

In my opinion it's a bit of a dramatic scenario,don't underestimate yourself,customers will always need to purchase content from expert creators who have been doing this job every day for years.

customers need our ideas for their projects,of course some customers are lost with AI,but others are added.

for me,as I have already said,real contents are reviewed before AI contents.

I also see here and elsewhere people who haven't uploaded for a long time and have immediately had every type of content accepted in a short time,why?because precisely the quantity of content already uploaded during the year can influence the review time.

in my opinion Adobe should decide to set a limit and declare it publicly,so people know that they can upload a maximum of 5000 contents per year or 300 per month or 500 whatever they want,but an established limit in my opinion creates a more fair and balanced situation for everyone,and promotes quality and reduces spam.

I know that the last thing Adobe wants to do is limit creativity,but I believe that in this case there are conditions to consider this solution.


@Wilm good one!  :D

« Reply #41 on: July 28, 2024, 15:03 »
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I do think great content will be in demand even in the age of cheep/free AI content. I just don't think it makes sense selling this content on microstock platforms anymore, as they will have to adapt their prices to AI content being available basically for free. So probably for this kind of content selling directly or through RM agencies to high-budget buyers will make a comeback one day.

« Reply #42 on: July 28, 2024, 18:47 »
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AI images are the future of stock industry, but I wouldn't count on prices staying the same as they are now. AI content is just too easy to create and ever more buyers will resort to creating their own AI images. To counter buyer loss, Adobe will have to drastically reduce the prices, either only for AI content or for everything. In any case all contributors lose, no matter AI or not. So in my opinion there is no long term value in creating/submitting AI content.

That could even be the current Adobe's strategy behind the shorter review times for AI content: accept as many AI images as possible before they drop the prices, thus removing the incentive for contributors to submit AI content.

That would not be logical.

The visual quality coming in with ai is higher than what comes in with photos.

The total photo amateurs dont need to oearn professional lighting, posing, styling, image composition.

If you forced them to all take real photos, the visual quality in the library will go down.

I would expect the opposite.

Real photography will become a niche for the professionals, while the amateurs provide mostly ai.

Good quality ai with interesting creativity will be the most in demand, but very few people will do this.

« Reply #43 on: July 28, 2024, 18:49 »
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I uploaded a panorama photo today as editorial that could of passed for commercial but I couldn't let this one wait as it is more time sensitive.

It was reviewed and accepted in just a few hours.

Sorry, but that's not how it works!

You can't just take a photo of me and put it online without a model release and my permission! I didn't even notice that you had a camera in your hand. That's stalking!

What's more, the photo isn't even recent - it must have been several months ago! I don't look that attractive anymore! The waiting for the Review is wearing me down!

I'm terribly sorry Wilm.  ;D

And what's worse, I failed to flag the photo as AO nudity!

You weren't wearing any clothes following your very successful weight-loss program!   

zeljkok

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« Reply #44 on: July 28, 2024, 18:50 »
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It depends on direction and speed of technology advancements.   Musk is already experimenting with Neuralink brain chip implants.  Maybe Visual Media, digital or traditional, becomes completely obsolete.  This sounds crazy, but show iPhone/wifi/speach recognition, etc to a person 50yrs ago that was watching black&white TV with rabbit ears and he would flip over.

« Reply #45 on: July 28, 2024, 19:57 »
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Adobe is trying to cash on AI rush, while others are still reluctant to do so. When every agency will accept AI, then Adobe will start accepting traditional photography back.
« Last Edit: July 29, 2024, 11:35 by Mifornia »

« Reply #46 on: July 29, 2024, 01:05 »
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 ;D
I uploaded a panorama photo today as editorial that could of passed for commercial but I couldn't let this one wait as it is more time sensitive.

It was reviewed and accepted in just a few hours.

Sorry, but that's not how it works!

You can't just take a photo of me and put it online without a model release and my permission! I didn't even notice that you had a camera in your hand. That's stalking!

What's more, the photo isn't even recent - it must have been several months ago! I don't look that attractive anymore! The waiting for the Review is wearing me down!

I'm terribly sorry Wilm.  ;D

And what's worse, I failed to flag the photo as AO nudity!

You weren't wearing any clothes following your very successful weight-loss program!
;D

« Reply #47 on: July 29, 2024, 03:27 »
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AI images are the future of stock industry, but I wouldn't count on prices staying the same as they are now. AI content is just too easy to create and ever more buyers will resort to creating their own AI images. To counter buyer loss, Adobe will have to drastically reduce the prices, either only for AI content or for everything. In any case all contributors lose, no matter AI or not. So in my opinion there is no long term value in creating/submitting AI content.

That could even be the current Adobe's strategy behind the shorter review times for AI content: accept as many AI images as possible before they drop the prices, thus removing the incentive for contributors to submit AI content.

That would not be logical.

The visual quality coming in with ai is higher than what comes in with photos.

The total photo amateurs dont need to oearn professional lighting, posing, styling, image composition.

If you forced them to all take real photos, the visual quality in the library will go down.

I would expect the opposite.

Real photography will become a niche for the professionals, while the amateurs provide mostly ai.

Good quality ai with interesting creativity will be the most in demand, but very few people will do this.

I think my comment completely aligns with what you said :).
Yes, AI images are the future of stock industry. There will be less and less real photos in the library, as it is much easier to create visually appealing AI content. The only point where I have a different opinion, is the price: I expect it to drop drastically, because:
1) It is very fast and cheap to create AI content and it's going to get only cheaper and more visually appealing in future
2) Buyers can create AI content themselves basically for free, so they will only be willing to pay peanuts for stock images. They will pay for the convenience of being able to use a curated image library instead of writing a prompt.

« Reply #48 on: July 29, 2024, 04:49 »
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if you want shorter review times you must push to establish a limit.

you know that I always defend Adobe,but in reality I defend logic,what is logical to me.

in this case in my opinion Adobe made a mistake.

you cannot allow a single contributor to upload 100,000 or more content in a year  this is wrong in my opinion.

I've seen that there are contributors who have 100,000+ AI content in a year or less,this must not be allowed,and I hope they take action about it,it's too much.

It's better to have 5000 content from 20 different contributors per year,rather than 100,000 from just one single contributor.

Adobe should definitely set a limit and state it publicly,and it needs to be done now because it's already too late.

In any case,I believe that the sales system balances this problem,but I believe it can do so up to a certain point.

we need an established AI limit and we need it now,and so there will no longer be problems with epic review times, contributors will only upload the best AI content,no longer infinite series of the same content,and everything can work in a fair and balanced way for everyone.

« Reply #49 on: July 29, 2024, 06:19 »
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They could just have a weekly rolling limit per category they keep adjusting

video - 1000
real photo - 200
photo ai - 300
illustration ai - 1000

or maybe for newbies

video 20

real photo 30

ai photo 20

ai illustration 30

until they move up in sales rank

etc...

depending on what the team can prcess.

make it visible to the individual and you will get a much better inflow of better quality content

Many agencies have dynamic upload limits, no need to reinvent the wheel





 

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