Author Topic: Bigger photo sites comparison & some good news? (Read 8712 times)

georgep7 · « **on:** May 07, 2020, 01:46 »

Well here is a comparison chart.
You can read the rest of the good news in the link.
Not sure who contributes there or where ar the images from.
https://jumpstory.com/jumpstory-alternatives/

$25 PER MONTH
Use images for all commercial purposes
Unlimited downloads
20 million photos
1 million videos & icons
Remove background tool
Professional photo editor
Image archive

Mimi the Cat · « **Reply #1 on:** May 07, 2020, 04:18 »

Only a complete moron would upload to a site like that

georgep7 · « **Reply #2 on:** May 07, 2020, 04:46 »

Quote from: Bad Robot on May 07, 2020, 04:18

Only a complete moron would upload to a site like that

Agree.
But there are already some millions of images (as they state) available.
Could this be a "partner site" to agencies that we already contribute and explain (or fire) some new $0,0001 sales?

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #3 on:** May 07, 2020, 09:33 »

Quote from: Bad Robot on May 07, 2020, 04:18

Only a complete moron would upload to a site like that

I was wondering where they got the images, I didn't dig. 20 million images, $25 a month, unlimited. How much do they pay?

Can we view the collection, without joining?

"No. We are aware that some stock photo websites put up their full photo archive for everyone to view. This has resulted in a lot of copycat activities and copyright trolling. "

How many images and illustrations may I download each month?

"As many as you want! Once you have registered as a user on JumpStory, you can download and use the photos, videos, illustrations, icons, vectors and other content without any restrictions."

I wonder how many free images, someone could download in the 30 day free period and have rights forever? What is copyright trolling?

SuperPhoto · « **Reply #4 on:** May 07, 2020, 09:40 »

probably stolen images... or "repurposed" from a site like unsplash (i.e., they just simply scraped/downloaded all the imges from unsplash and say 'oh yeah! we have a new portfolio!")

SuperPhoto · « **Reply #5 on:** May 07, 2020, 10:00 »

So, did a little bit of quick research...

Short version - assuming/seems jumpstory is in bed with pexels (a "free" image site that doesn't allow people to resell images, unless what they don't say it is them profiting from other peoples work).

Long story:
a) Seems they are getting their images from "pexels". (Whether they are stealing them, or have some kind of arrangement, I don't know). But for example, this picture here on their site: https://jumpstory.com/about-us/ (https://jumpstory.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/transformation-1024x683.jpg) is straight from https://www.pexels.com/photo/the-transformation-1669547/

or, for example, the guy in the car with the girl on their page here: https://jumpstory.com/features/
https://jumpstory.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/jumpstory-download20200429-191747.jpg

also found on pexels: https://images.pexels.com/photos/1468068/pexels-photo-1468068.jpeg

b) Not sure if the authors know that their work is being 'resold' for profit... (highly unlikely).

c) REALLY fascinating: Pexel on their licensing page says:
https://www.pexels.com/license/

What is not allowed?

Respect the hard work of our contributors and keep these restrictions in mind.

✕ Identifiable people may not appear in a bad light or in a way that is offensive.
✕ Don't sell unaltered copies of a photo or video, e.g. as a poster, print or on a physical product without modifying it first.
✕ Don't imply endorsement of your product by people or brands on the imagery.
✕ Don't redistribute or sell the photos and videos on other stock photo or wallpaper platforms.

And yet......... the images are being 'redistributed' on "jumpstory".

So in all likelihood - the owners at jumpstory contacted pexels - and pexels said sure, lets work out a deal. (Even though pexel in their short license agreement tells other people not to simply "resell" authors work under another site - they are essentially doing exactly that by 'licensing' the content to jumpstory, then jumpstory paying them a fee for that re-sold content).

And it is obviously dishonest - *because* jumpstories selling points aren't "oh, we have tools to help you image process" - but rather "Signup and get 25 MILLION images"...

So... the contributors to the free pexel site are getting screwed basically.

SuperPhoto · « **Reply #6 on:** May 07, 2020, 10:02 »

looking further into pexels (I know I heard of them before, never really researched them though)...

seems they are simply a variation of instagram/pinterest with their scrolling images & the "GET FOLLOWERS! GET LIKES! GET.... drum roll... EXPOSURE!!!" - except unlike instagram - they basically give themselves the rights to use the images/photos/videos...

and *pretty sure* pexel is violating other people's rights since they don't inspect if content is editorial - so when someone posts a picture they took of someone else - they could get into hot water - (because they are then relicensing it for profit via jumpstory)...

i.e., if someone took a picture of "Taylor swift" - uploaded it for free (first off all, taylor probably wouldn't be too happy) - but then jumpstory would say "oh yeah! use this in your publications!" - so then you might see a t.v. commercial for a product with a picture of taylor swift endorsing it...

SuperPhoto · « **Reply #7 on:** May 07, 2020, 10:09 »

Finally... if you want to do something about this dishonesty/manipulation of license terms, the best way would probably be to start contacting invidual authors on pexels (there is a message button) and let them know their "free" work is being resold for profit on jumpstory - without any attribution/etc. so they are basically working for free to make other people money.

cathyslife · « **Reply #8 on:** May 07, 2020, 10:58 »

The good news is I searched a few of my best sellers on pexels and found nothing of mine. jumpstory, of course, won’t let you search until you register. No, that’s not suspicious at all. 🙄

georgep7 · « **Reply #9 on:** May 07, 2020, 11:06 »

Thank you SuperPhoto for your effort and time

f9photos · « **Reply #10 on:** May 07, 2020, 14:59 »

Don't forget freepik.com - 9.99 euro/month (or 89.99 for a year), 100 downloads every day.

ShadySue · « **Reply #11 on:** May 07, 2020, 19:50 »

What on earth does jumpstory mean by "photo guarantee" which it says the other sites don't offer?

microstockinsider · « **Reply #12 on:** May 07, 2020, 21:42 »

The website says they are CC0 images, so customers are paying a $25 monthly subscription for access to search technology that will find and download CC0 licensed images all in one place (that is a service they can charge for). The problem being trust in the source of the images, the CC0 sites have been riddled with stolen work because anyone can just upload anything without any checks, those images don't need model or property releases be licensed as CC0, but they certainly do need releases if you want to use them in a commercial context!

That has cost end users money in the past where stolen work was downloaded from a free site and then later removed, leaving the end user taking responsibility. Section 4 (and then 14) of the jumpstory terms and conditions predictably throws all responsibility for lack of releases onto the end user. nice.

offisapup · « **Reply #13 on:** May 08, 2020, 06:23 »

The way I see it, Jumpstory picks up images from CC0 Flickr and free stock sites like Pexels, Pixabay and Unsplash and offers up a search algorithm that makes it easy for you to get the images for your project. So it is still limited to free images online. But they aren't lying when they tell you there are over 20 million images and a million videos because that's how many images and videos there are in the free market.

Now pretty much everyone who needs and buys images knows of the existence of these free sites. And yes, part of the microstock industry IS indeed affected by photographers offering beautiful photoshopped content on a platter for rich corporations to exploit. But they have no where close to the range of content that stock photography sites like shutterstock or Getty/istock offer. The people who are getting a bad deal here are of course, the people who offered these pictures and videos for free. Because while they made zero money, there are people making a ton of money off that content.

Roscoe · « **Reply #14 on:** May 08, 2020, 08:37 »

Quote from: offisapup on May 08, 2020, 06:23

The people who are getting a bad deal here are of course, the people who offered these pictures and videos for free. Because while they made zero money, there are people making a ton of money off that content.

As I understood it, contributors to sites as pixabay or unsplash strongly believe in creative commons and the free of charge sharing concept. Now a company steps up and is making money of pictures that were uploaded to be distributed for free. I wonder how those contributors feel about that.

Even if JumpStory claims that the fee is only covering the advanced search engine, which - again they claim - is superior compared to competition... why aren't they building an interface to other stock agencies, and getting a commission for every license obtained via JumpStory? That would be - in my opinion - a more sustainable business model and also a more fairer one. Or... if it is just about the search engine, why bother building a dedicated stock site around it and not sell your technology to others?

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #15 on:** May 08, 2020, 11:00 »

There are many answers and the above are all fine. I just wanted to quote their version:

4. CONTENT ON THE SERVICE

4.1 All Content on the Service is marked as licensed under the terms of Creative Commons 0 (‘CC0’) by users on the source. CC0 is a license where the users/creators have decided to waive all their copyright and related rights in their works to the fullest extent allowed by law.
In a way similar to many open source software licenses, CC0 is a universal instrument that is not adapted specifically to the laws of any particular legal jurisdiction. And while no tool, not even CC0, can guarantee a complete relinquishment of all copyright and database rights in every jurisdiction, it provides the best and most complete alternative for contributing a work to the public domain given the many complex and diverse copyright and database systems around the world. In addition to this, JumpStory has taken out professional insurance at QBE.

All images are Creative Commons 0 so I went and looked that up, because I don't know CC0:

Creative Commons public domain tools CC0, is a public domain dedication that allows copyright holders to place works in the public domain to the extent legally possible, worldwide. CC's Public Domain Mark allows anyone to mark a work that is already free of copyright restrictions around the world.

Jumpstory is marketing Public Domain images for a license fee. Anyone should be able to find these same images for free, if they search on their own. Jumpstory is providing a search, some software and a promise.

georgep7 · « **Reply #16 on:** May 08, 2020, 12:00 »

I have to admit that i thought that images come from a "partnership" with agencies. That is why i posted at the first place. For a weird reason i combined threads with eg "connect" sales (if i called them correct) and similar.

To be honest i will never be that good in photography especially in manipulated ones as those that free sites offer. But on a second more calm thought i believe that idemnification and releases vs this "you are legally covered" will ensure Microstock sales for a period of time? I dunno, still a newbie

oooo · « **Reply #17 on:** May 08, 2020, 14:09 »

this seems even worse:
pxfuel . com
no login, just press download to get full resolution
no exif no artist etc
lots of fine work, suggest to check your files...
anyone have some information?

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #18 on:** May 09, 2020, 13:34 »

Quote from: georgep7 on May 08, 2020, 12:00

I have to admit that i thought that images come from a "partnership" with agencies. That is why i posted at the first place. For a weird reason i combined threads with eg "connect" sales (if i called them correct) and similar.

To be honest i will never be that good in photography especially in manipulated ones as those that free sites offer. But on a second more calm thought i believe that idemnification and releases vs this "you are legally covered" will ensure Microstock sales for a period of time? I dunno, still a newbie

They do a good job of writing their own promotions and skipping over the facts and details.

Many customers will by the marketing and miss the fact that everything there is free, creative commons and essentially public domain.

Quote from: ShadySue on May 07, 2020, 19:50

What on earth does jumpstory mean by "photo guarantee" which it says the other sites don't offer?

Still wondering about that myself.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #19 on:** May 14, 2020, 15:44 »

Quote from: ShadySue on May 07, 2020, 19:50

What on earth does jumpstory mean by "photo guarantee" which it says the other sites don't offer?

"JumpStory has a very unique PA-service. Basically, if you can’t find, what you’re searching for, we will find it for you – for free!

We are – as far as we know – the only company in the world to offer this Personal Assistant, so you will never end up disappointed not being able to get, what you were looking for. You will always receive the photos from us within 24 hours!"

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