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Title: Finally starting with AI Generated images, but have a few process questions?
Post by: Unamas on May 07, 2024, 11:49
I finally decided to start with AI Generated images. I read a few articles, watch a few video and so far the process looks simple

1) Generate image with Midjourney. It look like it's the best generator now
2) Upscale with Topaz Gigapixel AI or Topaz Photo AI. Which one is better?
3) Create description, upload
4) Profit!

What I'm missing?
Title: Re: Finally starting with AI Generated images, but have a few process questions?
Post by: DiscreetDuck on May 07, 2024, 12:31
5) Practice counting the number of fingers
6) complain about image validation time
7) Claim everywhere that you are an Artist who adapts perfectly to his time and can finally realize himself ;D
Title: Re: Finally starting with AI Generated images, but have a few process questions?
Post by: cascoly on May 07, 2024, 13:49
I finally decided to start with AI Generated images. I read a few articles, watch a few video and so far the process looks simple

1) Generate image with Midjourney. It look like it's the best generator now
2) Upscale with Topaz Gigapixel AI or Topaz Photo AI. Which one is better?
3) Create description, upload
4) Profit!

What I'm missing?

if the image is sharp & noise free, use gigapixel, if it needs work, use photo AI and then upsize
Title: Re: Finally starting with AI Generated images, but have a few process questions?
Post by: Injustice for all on May 07, 2024, 14:24
I finally decided to start with AI Generated images. I read a few articles, watch a few video and so far the process looks simple

1) Generate image with Midjourney. It look like it's the best generator now
2) Upscale with Topaz Gigapixel AI or Topaz Photo AI. Which one is better?
3) Create description, upload
4) Profit!

What I'm missing?

strange is that now that you have decided to start with AI I have decided to stop with AI! :D

I didn't sell even one of the last 115 AI images I made,which have been on sale for about a couple of months,in December instead I had about twenty for sale and I sold 3 of them.

anyway it's ok maybe they will sell later,frankly I'm realizing that this AI content is a flash in the pan.

the fact remains that in any case it is better to try to do everything,at the moment however I am more focused on doubling my "real" video library by the end of the month,and in general I'm more focused on "real" content.

Title: Re: Finally starting with AI Generated images, but have a few process questions?
Post by: Unamas on May 07, 2024, 14:49
5) Practice counting the number of fingers

I plan to avoid fingers :)
Title: Re: Finally starting with AI Generated images, but have a few process questions?
Post by: Unamas on May 07, 2024, 14:50

strange is that now that you have decided to start with AI I have decided to stop with AI! :D
...
 I am more focused on doubling my "real" video library by the end of the month,and in general I'm more focused on "real" content.

I'm kind of bored with "real" content and want to try something new.
Title: Re: Finally starting with AI Generated images, but have a few process questions?
Post by: Injustice for all on May 07, 2024, 17:09

strange is that now that you have decided to start with AI I have decided to stop with AI! :D
...
 I am more focused on doubling my "real" video library by the end of the month,and in general I'm more focused on "real" content.

I'm kind of bored with "real" content and want to try something new.

and you are right to do so!  :)

in any case from what I saw up until December AI content sold more easily,but maybe it's just me.

However I bet you will soon get bored with AI,since you have skills with real content,in my opinion you will soon want to go back to using your skills.

the problems with AI content are review times and rejections,and then they are easily replicable by anyone,you have to produce thousands of them to start earning something acceptable,furthermore they do not maintain the position achieved,real contents are more stable,while AI contents are more volatile.

but these are just my impressions,for others perhaps it is different.
Title: Re: Finally starting with AI Generated images, but have a few process questions?
Post by: Deyan Georgiev Photography on May 07, 2024, 22:42
I finally decided to start with AI Generated images. I read a few articles, watch a few video and so far the process looks simple

1) Generate image with Midjourney. It look like it's the best generator now
2) Upscale with Topaz Gigapixel AI or Topaz Photo AI. Which one is better?
3) Create description, upload
4) Profit!

What I'm missing?

strange is that now that you have decided to start with AI I have decided to stop with AI! :D

I didn't sell even one of the last 115 AI images I made,which have been on sale for about a couple of months,in December instead I had about twenty for sale and I sold 3 of them.

anyway it's ok maybe they will sell later,frankly I'm realizing that this AI content is a flash in the pan.

the fact remains that in any case it is better to try to do everything,at the moment however I am more focused on doubling my "real" video library by the end of the month,and in general I'm more focused on "real" content.

Unfortunately this volume of images would be profitable 15 years back. Today you need put two more digits like 11500 images in order to make some sales conclusions. This days we need volume and quality(and diversity), not just quality like in the golden days. Talking about AI images you even have to multiply it by three.
Title: Re: Finally starting with AI Generated images, but have a few process questions?
Post by: Injustice for all on May 08, 2024, 03:47
I finally decided to start with AI Generated images. I read a few articles, watch a few video and so far the process looks simple

1) Generate image with Midjourney. It look like it's the best generator now
2) Upscale with Topaz Gigapixel AI or Topaz Photo AI. Which one is better?
3) Create description, upload
4) Profit!

What I'm missing?

strange is that now that you have decided to start with AI I have decided to stop with AI! :D

I didn't sell even one of the last 115 AI images I made,which have been on sale for about a couple of months,in December instead I had about twenty for sale and I sold 3 of them.

anyway it's ok maybe they will sell later,frankly I'm realizing that this AI content is a flash in the pan.

the fact remains that in any case it is better to try to do everything,at the moment however I am more focused on doubling my "real" video library by the end of the month,and in general I'm more focused on "real" content.

Unfortunately this volume of images would be profitable 15 years back. Today you need put two more digits like 11500 images in order to make some sales conclusions. This days we need volume and quality(and diversity), not just quality like in the golden days. Talking about AI images you even have to multiply it by three.

it's impossible for me to produce 115 "real" content and not sell at least 4-5 of them in a week or two.

from my experience real content sells much easier.

and since I noticed that in the last 115 AI contents that have been approved,I haven't sold a single one,that's enough for me to know that I sell real contents more easily.

as I said in December,however,I noticed that I was able to sell AI content much more easily,so if it has already become more difficult to sell AI content,let alone in a year!

this is why I prefer to produce real content.
Title: Re: Finally starting with AI Generated images, but have a few process questions?
Post by: Digital on May 12, 2024, 05:11
I finally decided to start with AI Generated images. I read a few articles, watch a few video and so far the process looks simple

1) Generate image with Midjourney. It look like it's the best generator now
2) Upscale with Topaz Gigapixel AI or Topaz Photo AI. Which one is better?
3) Create description, upload
4) Profit!

What I'm missing?

That was a good plan last year, when there was an option/trick to use MJ for free. Now you're gonna spend more on step 1 than you'll make from step 4. It will be a waste of both your time and money.
Title: Re: Finally starting with AI Generated images, but have a few process questions?
Post by: SuperPhoto on May 12, 2024, 14:04
A few other things:

a) Remove 'watermarks' (periodically midjourney puts those in). Watermarks = copyright protection measures = meaning content was created based off of stolen content.
b) Look for artifacts, edit/crop/etc those (time consuming, i.e., 7 fingers, three legs, etc)
c) "profit" - depends what you classify as "profit". It seems to be hit/miss - "sometimes" people do get "lucky" and have their portfolio take off - but from what I've seen - in general it seems they need 5,000+ assets ("ai images") to get "1000" downloads, and since a download can be as low as (I think it is $0.25), that means basically you'd "profit" with $250 for 5,000 assets. And - it can take 3-4 months before you get that "1000" download mark (aka $0.05/image), meaning - you are basically getting $50-$60/month for however long it takes you to create, keyword/describe, touchup/correct, upload, categorize, etc 5,000 images... assuming you did 100 images/hour (50 hours), $250/50 hours = means you basically make $5/hr... which - is probably why the majority of new "content creators" are coming from countries like east india, where "$5 USD" could/would be considered "good" money... if you processed LESS than 100 images/hr (more likely the case because of the worked involved) - it's more like $2-$3/hr...

So... Is $2-$3/hr a good rate for you?
Title: Re: Finally starting with AI Generated images, but have a few process questions?
Post by: Unamas on May 14, 2024, 12:29
Is $2-$3/hr a good rate for you?

but I will be getting this money forever
Title: Re: Finally starting with AI Generated images, but have a few process questions?
Post by: Big Money on May 15, 2024, 10:50
Is $2-$3/hr a good rate for you?

but I will be getting this money forever

I like a your profile image ( a dime $.10) because that is what what we get from Shutter all the time lol!  Good luck and may the force be with you.
Title: Re: Finally starting with AI Generated images, but have a few process questions?
Post by: Big Money on May 15, 2024, 10:51
5) Practice counting the number of fingers

I plan to avoid fingers :)

All you need is one finger (middle finger) lol!
Title: Re: Finally starting with AI Generated images, but have a few process questions?
Post by: Uncle Pete on May 15, 2024, 11:41
Is $2-$3/hr a good rate for you?

but I will be getting this money forever

I like a your profile image ( a dime $.10) because that is what what we get from Shutter all the time lol!  Good luck and may the force be with you.

You'll like this one too?

(https://i.postimg.cc/vm0jXMFH/pete_with_dime_400_G.gif)
Title: Re: Finally starting with AI Generated images, but have a few process questions?
Post by: cascoly on May 15, 2024, 13:46
5) Practice counting the number of fingers

I plan to avoid fingers :)

All you need is one finger (middle finger) lol!

yes, afterwards a pinched nerve i couldn't control my fingers, i lost  the ability to communicate with other drivers.
Title: Re: Finally starting with AI Generated images, but have a few process questions?
Post by: Taxco boy on May 25, 2024, 12:55
You really miss a couple of crucial things here

1. The fast and easy part
It is not 'create and upload' gig. You will need to post-process them beyond upscaling. Removing artifacts, strange objects that AI adds once in a while, adjusting colours sometimes, etc. Your best bet would be 10-15 mins per image + keywording. You need at least 1k images to start selling consistently (just my estimation), so you are looking into quite a serious time investment.

2. The profit part
a. As with any other field you need to provide content that is on demand and it is good quality and commercially viable. You won't have these images sell just because they are uploaded
b. You still need to pay around $35US (if memory serves me) to Midjourney, so you need to sell at leat twice as that from your AI to be able to justify it

3. The competition
You are facing an uphill battle against tons of images that are already there, you are a bit late to the game. So your best-case scenario is definitely not a quick profit

4. The patience part
Due to the influx of people trying to do the same the review times are excruciatingly painful and slow. The process of building a 1K port might take 6 months.


Title: Re: Finally starting with AI Generated images, but have a few process questions?
Post by: cobalt on May 26, 2024, 01:56
Is $2-$3/hr a good rate for you?

but I will be getting this money forever

no you won't. your images are not living alone, they are in a sea of millions of other very similar files you are competing with.

even if you get lucky and you actually have a file that sells well and makes its way to page one of a search term...you will get instant copies by other "inspired" artists.

with ai it is extremely easy to copy not just ideas, but the actual composition, you can choose simlar models, styling, locations.

ai is a great tool, but the easy gold rush is over.

now you need to work with complex prompts to make it less easy to copy.

so when you create content and get something you really like...please check if the exact same image has not already been  uploaded 2000 times...

if you work hard and have a few thousand files you can build a regular income. but it will take 2-3 years to become intersting.

you also need to do normal photos and videos, to get income from the agencies who do not take ai.



Title: Re: Finally starting with AI Generated images, but have a few process questions?
Post by: Uncle Pete on May 27, 2024, 10:41
Is $2-$3/hr a good rate for you?

but I will be getting this money forever

no you won't. your images are not living alone, they are in a sea of millions of other very similar files you are competing with.

even if you get lucky and you actually have a file that sells well and makes its way to page one of a search term...you will get instant copies by other "inspired" artists.

with ai it is extremely easy to copy not just ideas, but the actual composition, you can choose simlar models, styling, locations.

ai is a great tool, but the easy gold rush is over.

now you need to work with complex prompts to make it less easy to copy.

so when you create content and get something you really like...please check if the exact same image has not already been  uploaded 2000 times...

if you work hard and have a few thousand files you can build a regular income. but it will take 2-3 years to become intersting.

you also need to do normal photos and videos, to get income from the agencies who do not take ai.

Right. I suggest anyone new stick with the idea that many years of hard work, will possibly produce some residual income. After that, don't count the money or spend it, before you have it. Nothing in Microstock is forever. Make AI now, learn and keep the door open to moving past that.

How much AI can you jam onto the market, before there's just too much? Individual and unique, useful images, will always be more valuable than many, many, of the S.O.S. The more I look at AI, the more it looks the same and similar to all the rest of the AI images. It has a look, style and appearance, that's what AI looks like. The look is becoming that's had it's time and will be like all the rest, eventually.

Sorry but drone video is also reaching that same over abundance. While it's much better and more creative, the angles and distinctive look and feel, is becoming, everyday.
Title: Re: Finally starting with AI Generated images, but have a few process questions?
Post by: whatwolf on May 27, 2024, 10:56
I have upload more than 100000 AI files to adobe stock. And I have developed some tools to help me to get it.
Such as
keywording automatically.
upscaling automatically.
remove the background automatically.
Upload automatically.
Submit automatically. (It is not work yet.) :-[

SO if you have some questions, You can ask me.
Title: Re: Finally starting with AI Generated images, but have a few process questions?
Post by: cascoly on May 27, 2024, 12:52
...
How much AI can you jam onto the market, before there's just too much? Individual and unique, useful images, will always be more valuable than many, many, of the S.O.S. The more I look at AI, the more it looks the same and similar to all the rest of the AI images. It has a look, style and appearance, that's what AI looks like. The look is becoming that's had it's time and will be like all the rest, eventually.
...

but that applies to other stock as well, with at least an order of magnitude more images to compete against... plus ca change...
Title: Re: Finally starting with AI Generated images, but have a few process questions?
Post by: Uncle Pete on May 28, 2024, 10:21
...
How much AI can you jam onto the market, before there's just too much? Individual and unique, useful images, will always be more valuable than many, many, of the S.O.S. The more I look at AI, the more it looks the same and similar to all the rest of the AI images. It has a look, style and appearance, that's what AI looks like. The look is becoming that's had it's time and will be like all the rest, eventually.
...

but that applies to other stock as well, with at least an order of magnitude more images to compete against... plus ca change...

I was writing about all and other stock, not just AI.
Title: Re: Finally starting with AI Generated images, but have a few process questions?
Post by: cobalt on May 28, 2024, 10:48
I have upload more than 100000 AI files to adobe stock. And I have developed some tools to help me to get it.
Such as
keywording automatically.
upscaling automatically.
remove the background automatically.
Upload automatically.

SO if you have some questions, You can ask me.

Ok, I'll bite.

How do you remove the background automatically to produce good pngs?

I always have to refine every single file, so I find producing pngs quite tedious.

Do you have a good acceptance rate (over 90%)?

Because uploading many files just to have them declined is not very efficient.

Are you having good sales with your port?

50 dollars a week, 500 a week, 5000??? - just a sample range would be interesting for many I am sure.

100k files is what many people dream to have over a lifetime.

You are already there after 18 months.
Title: Re: Finally starting with AI Generated images, but have a few process questions?
Post by: Deyan Georgiev Photography on May 28, 2024, 22:15
I have upload more than 100000 AI files to adobe stock. And I have developed some tools to help me to get it.
Such as
keywording automatically.
upscaling automatically.
remove the background automatically.
Upload automatically.

SO if you have some questions, You can ask me.

Ok, I'll bite.

How do you remove the background automatically to produce good pngs?

I always have to refine every single file, so I find producing pngs quite tedious.

Do you have a good acceptance rate (over 90%)?

Because uploading many files just to have them declined is not very efficient.

Are you having good sales with your port?

50 dollars a week, 500 a week, 5000??? - just a sample range would be interesting for many I am sure.

100k files is what many people dream to have over a lifetime.

You are already there after 18 months.

I agree with all this, but over 90% acceptance is not necessary, 40-50% is a good acceptance rate for the agency and for the author. It is normal to upload double more files and the editor to choose the best. Trying to achieve 100% acceptance will limit your productivity 2-3 times and as result 2-3 times less files on sale.
I think those 100K files on sale can be true if there was 250K submitted which are 13K monthly, this can be done only by multiple accounts in the months back, now the review situation is completely different.
Title: Re: Finally starting with AI Generated images, but have a few process questions?
Post by: cobalt on May 29, 2024, 01:06
Everybody has their own process.

For me a 90% acceptance rate is perfectly normal and usually doesn't require any dramatic work. You just need to learn carefully from the declines. Then I don't have to waste the time of the editors.

Also my uploads are designed to support each other. If I lose half, I will get a lot less serial downloads. And the series download client is my favorite :)

With ai I had to adapt my workflow several times as Adobe evolves their system and suddenly I get mass rejections.

Now I am back to around 80-90%, even on illustrations.

What takes the most work is not file production, whether it is ai or normal photos videos, it is the research that takes up  biggest the bulk of my time. Including learning more about ai.

Although with ai, I still need to produce a large volume of files to get what I want.

Even with Midjourney, I find it really hard to generate the people images I want to produce.

That is where photography has the real advantage. Getting exactly what you want is very, very easy.

But what works for me, does not have to work for others.

I am also curious if uploading 100k files was a group or family effort?

Again nothing wrong with that. Many families who do stock full time as a family business are doing a great job integrating their normal production with ai.

Whatever you do, it has to make money.

Because I can see people who are new to stock, pushing high volume uploads but cannot reach a payout every week.

I guess the market will solve it in the end. They will move on to another online business if it does not work out.

Title: Re: Finally starting with AI Generated images, but have a few process questions?
Post by: amabu on May 29, 2024, 04:52
I have upload more than 100000 AI files to adobe stock. And I have developed some tools to help me to get it.
Such as
keywording automatically.
upscaling automatically.
remove the background automatically.
Upload automatically.

SO if you have some questions, You can ask me.

Just one question: How many $$$ per month do you make with that strategy?
Title: Re: Finally starting with AI Generated images, but have a few process questions?
Post by: whatwolf on May 29, 2024, 06:13
I have upload more than 100000 AI files to adobe stock. And I have developed some tools to help me to get it.
Such as
keywording automatically.
upscaling automatically.
remove the background automatically.
Upload automatically.

SO if you have some questions, You can ask me.

Just one question: How many $$$ per month do you make with that strategy?

If you have 100 AI files on adobe stock, it is 1000 times.
Title: Re: Finally starting with AI Generated images, but have a few process questions?
Post by: whatwolf on May 29, 2024, 06:23
I remove background by some technical process.
I have upload more than 100000 AI files to adobe stock. And I have developed some tools to help me to get it.
Such as
keywording automatically.
upscaling automatically.
remove the background automatically.
Upload automatically.

SO if you have some questions, You can ask me.

Ok, I'll bite.

How do you remove the background automatically to produce good pngs?

I always have to refine every single file, so I find producing pngs quite tedious.

Do you have a good acceptance rate (over 90%)?

Because uploading many files just to have them declined is not very efficient.

Are you having good sales with your port?

50 dollars a week, 500 a week, 5000??? - just a sample range would be interesting for many I am sure.

100k files is what many people dream to have over a lifetime.

You are already there after 18 months.



If the PNG is not good, I will delete it.
If the fingers are not good, I will delete it.
If the face is ugly, I will delete it.
If the .... , JUST DELETE IT.

The stock image markets are not seeking refined single files. They are seeking huge number files with it-is-ok-standard.
So I am an images-producer now, not a photographer or artist.

I have a 70%-95% acceptance rate for different batches. Images with people, acceptance is 70%.
I think it depends on whether the reviewer is in a good mood.


Title: Re: Finally starting with AI Generated images, but have a few process questions?
Post by: cobalt on May 29, 2024, 07:18
Thank you for responding.

We obviously have different strategies, but maybe my workstyle is for the old days.

Don't know if it is still true today, but some agencies have an "efficiency" factor. I.e. if you have a small port with a very good sales rate, your port gets promoted much better by the algos than a port with a very high fluff factor, or just dead files that don't sell.

So in addition to wanting to have a high acceptance rate, I hope my port does not have too much "fluff".

That is a lot easier to in themes that I understand well and much more difficult in genres where I am new, especially illustrations.

But since you are uploading such a very high volume and probably also very diverse content, not just abstract background waves...you can obviously make it work for you.

I keep trying to upload a higher volume, but I really, really struggle with that.

I have thousands of files that are ok, but not stellar, but need little processing.

Will try to upload them in a larger batch at some point, but perhaps not to Adobe, to keep Adobe as my prime port for ai.

Best of your luck with your journey, you already have more files than I will ever have on Adobe in my entire life.
Title: Re: Finally starting with AI Generated images, but have a few process questions?
Post by: SuperPhoto on May 29, 2024, 07:35
My educated guess would be probably he 'made' between $10-$15k usd with that strategy (over 1-1.5 years, or since whenever he started doing the AI stuff)... Now, whether that is 'worth' it, I dunno... There's people with 1/20th the size in portfolio (or even smaller) who do exactly the same revenue, or better.

It depends on:
a) Is it in demand/useful content?
b) Does it get discovered (i.e., 'unique', good promotion/etc)
c) Then some images just tend to get really lucky and go on wild selling streaks, doesn't seem to be any reason why, it just happens (i.e., say 1k+ sales for a single image)...

So if he is just spamming the crap out of the images, hoping something sticks - while that is certainly 'one' strategy... not sure if it is the most effective strategy...
Now of course, if he has really top notch images, that is a different thing... but not sure whether that is the case from the sounds of it...
Title: Re: Finally starting with AI Generated images, but have a few process questions?
Post by: derby on May 29, 2024, 07:57
I have upload more than 100000 AI files to adobe stock. And I have developed some tools to help me to get it.
Such as
keywording automatically.
upscaling automatically.
remove the background automatically.
Upload automatically.
Submit automatically. (It is not work yet.) :-[

SO if you have some questions, You can ask me.

Yes, there is a question.
Why do you only speak about quantity?

Success in microstock is a good mix between quality and quantity, and this is a well known rule for any contributor.
Speaking only about quantity is not good way. 100K images... images of what? you have to find what to create. Or you could produce 100k similar files, that is a nonsense.

A good and quick workflow is for sure a good idea, but in terms of revenue it has 50% of weight.
So why do you speak about quantity only?

As someone else already told, there are a lot of contributors that do same or better results with 1/20, or maybe 1/50 of that numbers
Title: Re: Finally starting with AI Generated images, but have a few process questions?
Post by: whatwolf on May 29, 2024, 09:12
I have upload more than 100000 AI files to adobe stock. And I have developed some tools to help me to get it.
Such as
keywording automatically.
upscaling automatically.
remove the background automatically.
Upload automatically.
Submit automatically. (It is not work yet.) :-[

SO if you have some questions, You can ask me.

Yes, there is a question.
Why do you only speak about quantity?

Success in microstock is a good mix between quality and quantity, and this is a well known rule for any contributor.
Speaking only about quantity is not good way. 100K images... images of what? you have to find what to create. Or you could produce 100k similar files, that is a nonsense.

A good and quick workflow is for sure a good idea, but in terms of revenue it has 50% of weight.
So why do you speak about quantity only?

As someone else already told, there are a lot of contributors that do same or better results with 1/20, or maybe 1/50 of that numbers

The first of all, everyone who use Midjourney, could get images with THE SAME QUALITY.
WHY I produce 100k simlilar files?
I produce 4 images in one prompt. I don’t use any repeated prompts unless the images are really good at selling.

When you have more than 100000 or 200000 or more ai images, WHAT TO CREATE is meaningless. I CREATE EVERY THING.
Title: Re: Finally starting with AI Generated images, but have a few process questions?
Post by: whatwolf on May 29, 2024, 09:41
Thank you for responding.
We obviously have different strategies, but maybe my workstyle is for the old days.
Don't know if it is still true today, but some agencies have an "efficiency" factor. I.e. if you have a small port with a very good sales rate, your port gets promoted much better by the algos than a port with a very high fluff factor, or just dead files that don't sell.
So in addition to wanting to have a high acceptance rate, I hope my port does not have too much "fluff".
That is a lot easier to in themes that I understand well and much more difficult in genres where I am new, especially illustrations.
But since you are uploading such a very high volume and probably also very diverse content, not just abstract background waves...you can obviously make it work for you.
I keep trying to upload a higher volume, but I really, really struggle with that.
I have thousands of files that are ok, but not stellar, but need little processing.
Will try to upload them in a larger batch at some point, but perhaps not to Adobe, to keep Adobe as my prime port for ai.
Best of your luck with your journey, you already have more files than I will ever have on Adobe in my entire life.

Think about the majority of customers of ADOBE, shutterstock and freepik. Do they care you have done the little processing or not? Most of them CAN NOT TELL what they want, until they see it on the pages. Most of them have no aesthetic ability.

AND, AI is killing stock image businesses.

As far as I know, some news websites produce AI images and put them on stockimage websites to sell. THESE NEWS WEBSITE were customers of gettyimages.

The Customers become Contributors!

Therefore, what I can do is to make more money by producing a large number of pictures before the business completely disappears and before customers completely abandon the stock images industry. Maybe you will say that there will be high-end customers who choose high-end contributors, but why don't high-end customers pay for commercial customization services? Who of us can say that we are high-end enough to avoid being eliminated?
Title: Re: Finally starting with AI Generated images, but have a few process questions?
Post by: derby on May 29, 2024, 10:28

The first of all, everyone who use Midjourney, could get images with THE SAME QUALITY.
WHY I produce 100k simlilar files?
I produce 4 images in one prompt. I don’t use any repeated prompts unless the images are really good at selling.

When you have more than 100000 or 200000 or more ai images, WHAT TO CREATE is meaningless. I CREATE EVERY THING.

Well, yes, not only you but everyone can create anything, this is no more a breaking news, it's more than one year that Midjourney is on its way.
And in one year we saw boith traditional photography and AI images that sells well.
So I'm not agree with you, what you're talking aboout is quite overtaked... There are actually billions of AI images in Adobestock and, you guess, traditional photography is still selling.
Sorry but I'm not agree with you, you seems to be a little outdated. Actually the best sellers are quality images not quantity, as quantity is something that anyone can have access to.
My opinion, of course
Title: Re: Finally starting with AI Generated images, but have a few process questions?
Post by: SuperPhoto on May 29, 2024, 11:05

The first of all, everyone who use Midjourney, could get images with THE SAME QUALITY.
WHY I produce 100k simlilar files?
I produce 4 images in one prompt. I don’t use any repeated prompts unless the images are really good at selling.

When you have more than 100000 or 200000 or more ai images, WHAT TO CREATE is meaningless. I CREATE EVERY THING.

Well, yes, not only you but everyone can create anything, this is no more a breaking news, it's more than one year that Midjourney is on its way.
And in one year we saw boith traditional photography and AI images that sells well.
So I'm not agree with you, what you're talking aboout is quite overtaked... There are actually billions of AI images in Adobestock and, you guess, traditional photography is still selling.
Sorry but I'm not agree with you, you seems to be a little outdated. Actually the best sellers are quality images not quantity, as quantity is something that anyone can have access to.
My opinion, of course

One BIG thing is... people should be focusing on getting midjourney to pay authors RETROACTIVELY for the STOLEN works they made their tool based on, as well as set up a system for RECURRING PERPETUAL works going forward. discuss that. that is effective.
Title: Re: Finally starting with AI Generated images, but have a few process questions?
Post by: cobalt on May 29, 2024, 12:09


Therefore, what I can do is to make more money by producing a large number of pictures before the business completely disappears and before customers completely abandon the stock images industry. Maybe you will say that there will be high-end customers who choose high-end contributors, but why don't high-end customers pay for commercial customization services? Who of us can say that we are high-end enough to avoid being eliminated?

At this point I am not worried about being eliminated. On the contrary, I feel set free to experiement with any genre I am interested in.

In my case especially to experiment with illustrations, without having to learn illustrator, oil paintings or ink drawings.

You keep saying that customers don't care about quality, but 20 years experience with photos shows me that customers only really buy the absolute best files. And these then outsell all the mediocre ones by the thousands.

While customers often only have a vague idea what are looking for, if you browse thousands of files on an agency, you can quickly detect quality content.

Otherwise customers would source all their images from the free sites or use the creative common license on flickr.

There are already billions of files you can use commercially for free.

Customers pay agencies to save time.

And so far working with ai costs a lot more time, than just browsing millions of files on Adobe.

I sincerly wish you all the best. Please kepp us updated how it goes.

You will probably have a million files in 5 years.

Title: Re: Finally starting with AI Generated images, but have a few process questions?
Post by: Injustice for all on May 30, 2024, 05:21

The first of all, everyone who use Midjourney, could get images with THE SAME QUALITY.
WHY I produce 100k simlilar files?
I produce 4 images in one prompt. I don’t use any repeated prompts unless the images are really good at selling.

When you have more than 100000 or 200000 or more ai images, WHAT TO CREATE is meaningless. I CREATE EVERY THING.

Well, yes, not only you but everyone can create anything, this is no more a breaking news, it's more than one year that Midjourney is on its way.
And in one year we saw boith traditional photography and AI images that sells well.
So I'm not agree with you, what you're talking aboout is quite overtaked... There are actually billions of AI images in Adobestock and, you guess, traditional photography is still selling.
Sorry but I'm not agree with you, you seems to be a little outdated. Actually the best sellers are quality images not quantity, as quantity is something that anyone can have access to.
My opinion, of course

One BIG thing is... people should be focusing on getting midjourney to pay authors RETROACTIVELY for the STOLEN works they made their tool based on, as well as set up a system for RECURRING PERPETUAL works going forward. discuss that. that is effective.


I agree with you but unfortunately this will never happen.

regarding AI content,quantity is certainly the winning strategy.

better to generate many more than you need and then carefully select the best ones,rather than waste too much time in postproduction.

I have recently developed a new system in postproduction,which allows me to speed up my work considerably,whilst maintaining an excellent standard of quality.

It took me several tries and several steps before I achieved this strategy,but it works,my approval rate is very high,and the content is of excellent quality,but above all I can go much faster now.  :)
Title: Re: Finally starting with AI Generated images, but have a few process questions?
Post by: SuperPhoto on May 30, 2024, 08:36

The first of all, everyone who use Midjourney, could get images with THE SAME QUALITY.
WHY I produce 100k simlilar files?
I produce 4 images in one prompt. I don’t use any repeated prompts unless the images are really good at selling.

When you have more than 100000 or 200000 or more ai images, WHAT TO CREATE is meaningless. I CREATE EVERY THING.

Well, yes, not only you but everyone can create anything, this is no more a breaking news, it's more than one year that Midjourney is on its way.
And in one year we saw boith traditional photography and AI images that sells well.
So I'm not agree with you, what you're talking aboout is quite overtaked... There are actually billions of AI images in Adobestock and, you guess, traditional photography is still selling.
Sorry but I'm not agree with you, you seems to be a little outdated. Actually the best sellers are quality images not quantity, as quantity is something that anyone can have access to.
My opinion, of course

One BIG thing is... people should be focusing on getting midjourney to pay authors RETROACTIVELY for the STOLEN works they made their tool based on, as well as set up a system for RECURRING PERPETUAL works going forward. discuss that. that is effective.


I agree with you but unfortunately this will never happen.

regarding AI content,quantity is certainly the winning strategy.

better to generate many more than you need and then carefully select the best ones,rather than waste too much time in postproduction.

I have recently developed a new system in postproduction,which allows me to speed up my work considerably,whilst maintaining an excellent standard of quality.

It took me several tries and several steps before I achieved this strategy,but it works,my approval rate is very high,and the content is of excellent quality,but above all I can go much faster now.  :)

Why do you believe that, and believe you could speak on behalf of an entire industry?
It would only 'never happen' if no one did anything and just whined and complained. Of course it can happen and it will happen, providing people first become aware of it as a possibility (in process), and then people taking coordinated action. Then it will happen. And authors will be compensated retroactively for their stolen works, as well as receive perpetual revenue in the future should they choose to license those works going forward.
Title: Re: Finally starting with AI Generated images, but have a few process questions?
Post by: Uncle Pete on May 30, 2024, 13:20

One BIG thing is... people should be focusing on getting midjourney to pay authors RETROACTIVELY for the STOLEN works they made their tool based on, as well as set up a system for RECURRING PERPETUAL works going forward. discuss that. that is effective.

I am not a fan of AI, but your request is flawed.

When you read a dictionary and learn what a word means, do you pay a royalty, every time you speak or write that word? When you look on the web for an answer and learn how to bake a cake, do you pay for that knowledge, every time you bake a cake?

When a machine learning program, looks at an image and learns what a cat looks like, should every image the software looked at to learn, get a commission, every time the AI creates a cat image? The software is not "using" the original image, it isn't referencing the original image, it has learned elements of what a cat looks like.

Second flaw, the companies don't know where they got the images or who made them. There's no source association, no one to one way to identify, which image or images were used to train or which images were used to create the output.

When rain falls from the sky, do you know where that water came from, originally through evaporation?

If 100 million images were used to train the AI, do you know which tiny bits were used to create each part of the specific image?

The only agencies that seem to be blocking AI and not allowing people to upload, are the ones that have their own pay system that produces the same kind of images. They just say "no AI" because they want to block our competition.