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Agency Based Discussion => General - Top Sites => Topic started by: hroe on January 24, 2014, 16:05

Title: Moving from USA to France
Post by: hroe on January 24, 2014, 16:05
Did anybody experienced the move and what it implies in term of stock photography? If I understand, only FT will pay in €, for the rest I will have to swallow the bad exchange rate (and it's pretty bad). So, I'd like to get some feedback of someone who went through that experience if possible and any advice is welcome. Thanks so much in advance!
Title: Re: Moving from USA to France
Post by: lbarn on January 24, 2014, 16:17
I think FT will only pay in other currency if a new account is started.

http://www.microstockgroup.com/fotolia-com/fotolia-payment/msg325793/#msg325793 (http://www.microstockgroup.com/fotolia-com/fotolia-payment/msg325793/#msg325793)

Above post discusses the problem.

(edit to add mssg link)
Title: Re: Moving from USA to France
Post by: Ron on January 24, 2014, 16:24
Yeah, no way to switch accounts. You will lose +/- 30% of your FT income as the dollar is about 0.73 euro
Title: Re: Moving from USA to France
Post by: Beppe Grillo on January 24, 2014, 16:39
I don't know if you can open a new account on Fotolia from France.
As there 1 credit = 1 € you will get more money.

Maybe using the name of your mother or your wife…
Even if it is not completely honest it is a good way to give them taste of their own medicine…
Title: Re: Moving from USA to France
Post by: Ron on January 24, 2014, 16:55
You can open a new account, but you will start from scratch. If you are up a few levels, it might not even be worth it. Just do the calculations and see if its beneficial.
Title: Re: Moving from USA to France
Post by: cobalt on January 24, 2014, 17:04
I read somewhere that if you work with French models in France that you must give them a model release in French, even if they are perfectly fine with an English release. I am not a lawyer, but might be worth checking with French stock artists how they do it.

Enjoy France!
Title: Re: Moving from USA to France
Post by: hroe on January 24, 2014, 17:50
Thanks guys! I supposed the issue is only FT, the other agencies keep paying in US $, right? FT is a low earner for me and I am not doing the kind of images they like, so this particular agency is not a big issue, but I am kind of disappointed to loose in the whole industry. Loosing 30% is not nothing. I'll contact some French members. Thanks!
Title: Re: Moving from USA to France
Post by: gostwyck on January 26, 2014, 09:42
Did anybody experienced the move and what it implies in term of stock photography? If I understand, only FT will pay in €, for the rest I will have to swallow the bad exchange rate (and it's pretty bad). So, I'd like to get some feedback of someone who went through that experience if possible and any advice is welcome. Thanks so much in advance!

France has become ludicrously expensive over the last 5 or 6 years. I don't really understand why other than that they seem to be paying themselves more and more. Germany, on the other hand, despite having the same currency, is fantastically cheap.

If you really want to feel some pain as a microstocker then move to Australia where their currency has gone through the roof compared to the USD and prices have skyrocketed too.
Title: Re: Moving from USA to France
Post by: Beppe Grillo on January 26, 2014, 10:11
Did anybody experienced the move and what it implies in term of stock photography? If I understand, only FT will pay in €, for the rest I will have to swallow the bad exchange rate (and it's pretty bad). So, I'd like to get some feedback of someone who went through that experience if possible and any advice is welcome. Thanks so much in advance!

France has become ludicrously expensive over the last 5 or 6 years.

You mean Paris?
France is not Paris…
Title: Re: Moving from USA to France
Post by: gostwyck on January 26, 2014, 11:00
Did anybody experienced the move and what it implies in term of stock photography? If I understand, only FT will pay in €, for the rest I will have to swallow the bad exchange rate (and it's pretty bad). So, I'd like to get some feedback of someone who went through that experience if possible and any advice is welcome. Thanks so much in advance!

France has become ludicrously expensive over the last 5 or 6 years.

You mean Paris?
France is not Paris…

No I mean France. Paris has always been expensive (as most capital cities tend to be).
Title: Re: Moving from USA to France
Post by: gillian vann on January 26, 2014, 23:30
If you really want to feel some pain as a microstocker then move to Australia where their currency has gone through the roof compared to the USD and prices have skyrocketed too.

yep, we have French and German backpackers staying here and they all can't believe how ludicrous our prices are. 

I've had my Frenchies and German boy sign releases in English, I hope that ruling about a release in their own language doesn't apply when they're here.
Title: Re: Moving from USA to France
Post by: bunhill on January 27, 2014, 05:35
No I mean France. Paris has always been expensive (as most capital cities tend to be).

Paris is still very affordable if you stay away from the tourist areas and do your shopping at the markets.  The inexpensive places are invariably the best places anyhow. You can get a good sit down meal for well under €10 and food is still cheap at the markets. Navigo weekly metro pass costs about €20 per week to recharge. Some gentrification has certainly put up the rents - but then Paris rents were very cheap compared with other cities until the 2000s. You can still rent a good studio apartment for under €900 per month. The nice thing about Paris is that normal people still live and work there. Public housing means that there is a good mix too.

Property in Paris is still very much less expensive than in London. Whether to rent or to buy. Compare the Marais with Notting Hill. Or compare say Shoreditch with Belleville. Similar-ish comparisons in terms of the neighbourhoods. But perhaps comparing anything with London is crazy now.

The rest of France is still cheap. Especially rural France. Supermarket prices have certainly increased in the years since the € was introduced and diesel is no longer cheap. Property is still cheap. Fire wood costs about the same !
Title: Re: Moving from USA to France
Post by: Ron on January 27, 2014, 05:47
How current is your information on Paris? I wrote a similar piece once on Dublin, but information like that outdates within a year or so.
Title: Re: Moving from USA to France
Post by: bunhill on January 27, 2014, 05:50
How current is your information on Paris?

today.

ETA:

- RATP site will give you the Navigo weekly metro prices
- you can eat a good bowl of chicken noodles for €5 in Belleville
- airbnb will give you a clue to the rents (and airbnb is more expensive than prices on the ground)
- you will have to believe me about the price of food from the markets


Title: Re: Moving from USA to France
Post by: Beppe Grillo on January 27, 2014, 05:50
You can still rent a good studio apartment for under €900 per month.

lol they are $ 1150…
$ 1150 for a studio is not that cheap…

(The minimum net salary is €1121.71, right?)


The nice thing about Paris is that normal people still live and work there.


Most of the "normal" people living in Paris work out of Paris
Most of the "normal" people working in Paris live out of Paris

People living and working in Paris are not "normal" but enough rich people


The rest of France is still cheap. Especially rural France.

Towns like Bordeaux or Lyon are expensive.
The South-East of France is enough expensive too.
And yes little towns like Blois, Orleans, Le Mans, Limoges, Brest, Clermont, etc. are not expensive places to live.

To this we can add that France is one of the countries where you pay more taxes.


Edit: food is not so expensive is you don't go to buy Foie Gras at Fauchon's or don't lunch to the Fouquet's with Sarko… :D
Title: Re: Moving from USA to France
Post by: Ron on January 27, 2014, 05:58
How current is your information on Paris?


today.

ETA:




(http://www.parisattitude.com/large/6296/00_rep.jpg)

 Month 785 € (1075$)
Agency fees not included

Thats the cheapest in the whole of Paris. You can eat sleep and relax on a couch.

Title: Re: Moving from USA to France
Post by: bunhill on January 27, 2014, 06:00
lol they are $ 1150…
$ 1150 for a studio is not that cheap…

No. You can rent much cheaper than that even within the Périphérique.

(The minimum net salary is €1121.71, right?)

if you are living on minimum wage then presumably you would live in a shared rental.
Title: Re: Moving from USA to France
Post by: bunhill on January 27, 2014, 06:02
Thats the cheapest in the whole of Paris. You can eat sleep and relax on a couch.

No it is not. Paris Attitude is renting properties at the prices which US tourists pay.
Title: Re: Moving from USA to France
Post by: topol on January 27, 2014, 06:05
How current is your information on Paris?


today.

ETA:




([url]http://www.parisattitude.com/large/6296/00_rep.jpg[/url])

 Month 785 € (1075$)
Agency fees not included

Thats the cheapest in the whole of Paris. You can eat sleep and relax on a couch.


but as you can from the furniture, that's for a family, mom dad and two children.
Title: Re: Moving from USA to France
Post by: Ron on January 27, 2014, 06:15
Bunhill, How can you even say 900 EURO for a Studio is cheap? A studio outside the city centre in Dublin is 700 euro which is criminal already. I pay 850 euro for a two bedroom apartment, living room, kitchen, fully furnitured and parking space.
Title: Re: Moving from USA to France
Post by: bunhill on January 27, 2014, 06:26
Bunhill, How can you even say 900 EURO for a Studio is cheap? A studio outside the city centre in Dublin is 700 euro which is criminal already. I pay 850 euro for a two bedroom apartment, living room, kitchen, fully furnitured and parking space.

I said affordable. Price is a relative thing. London prices seem crazy to me. Dublin still feels like Sundays to me!
Title: Re: Moving from USA to France
Post by: Ron on January 27, 2014, 06:44
So you lived in all 3 cities very recently?
Title: Re: Moving from USA to France
Post by: bunhill on January 27, 2014, 07:00
So you lived in all 3 cities very recently?

What ?
Title: Re: Moving from USA to France
Post by: cidepix on January 27, 2014, 07:01
Did anybody experienced the move and what it implies in term of stock photography? If I understand, only FT will pay in €, for the rest I will have to swallow the bad exchange rate (and it's pretty bad). So, I'd like to get some feedback of someone who went through that experience if possible and any advice is welcome. Thanks so much in advance!


No!

FT won't pay in euros.. you will continue to receive dollars.. You could receive euros even if you are in the US if you wish.. just start a new account from fotolia EU and done.. stupid yes, we all know :)
Title: Re: Moving from USA to France
Post by: robhainer on January 27, 2014, 17:48
I have to laugh. Where I live, you can rent a four bedroom, 3,500 square foot home with a pool in the back yard for $1,200 a month.
Title: Re: Moving from USA to France
Post by: Red Dove on January 28, 2014, 04:25
Welcome to civilization Europe.