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« Reply #25 on: April 24, 2022, 05:00 »
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I could understand why people had issues with Freepik a couple of years ago (it never occurred to me to upload there) but at this point of the game, I can't see much of a difference. SS sells videos for 25 cents, IS sells images for 1 cent, EM sells images for 1 cent, * Alamy goes on promotional sales galore and sells images for 3 cents gross - and everyone agrees that this is absolutely bad. Of course, it is. Yet when Freepik sells images for 6 cents... it is unacceptable? Kinda defies the logic.

I don't have a 100% formed opinion about Freepik yet but what I see so far makes them as acceptable earner as any other stock agency.
I made 180USD on 2000 images in the first month; this month I'm on track to make 120-130USD.
I see no problem having this money, especially in my current state where money doesn't come easy at all and I'm generally struggling.

I will be posting a review on https://brutallyhonestmicrostock.com/ about Freepik- in the spirit of Alex's approach, it will be unbiased and will contain both - negative things that encountered so far that really bug me and positive things.

I also uploaded some files to another unlimited download site - Vecteezy, nothing encouraging so far, but the average sales there is 9 cents. Again, pretty bad, but what's the difference between this and other agencies...

This is the kind of thing I'm talking about, if you want to write articles shouldnt you be a bit less biased? Reports are that RPD is usually around 7c but lets go with your 9c.

I will go with vectors as that seems to be mainly what Freepik has a history in and still mainly trades in. Some of these sites I no longer upload new work to because of poor RPD (BS, DP, IS, SS) but as a comparison all approx based on last year and so far this year:

Bigstock RPD: 45c
Depositphos RPD: 48c
123RF RPD: 90c
DT RPD: 75c
AS RPD: 95c
IS RPD: 70c
SS RPD: 68c

So whats the difference you ask? The answer is HUGE, VAST, an order of magnitude in some cases. Is this the sort of journalistic integrity we can buy too?


« Reply #26 on: April 24, 2022, 05:02 »
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As much as we like to blame corporate greed for the current situation we as a group are much more to blame. The majority of microstockers are ok with any price above zero and don't care about anything other than their bottom line. Nevermind the bigger picture or moral principles or even basic common sense. Agencies are only taking advantage of this. Why wouldn't they?
Not the majority. Just the majority of the ones being paid to write about it. Most of the people on this and other forums, for example, know enough about the history of these sites and the industry not to fall for this stuff.

« Reply #27 on: April 24, 2022, 05:43 »
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As much as we like to blame corporate greed for the current situation we as a group are much more to blame. The majority of microstockers are ok with any price above zero and don't care about anything other than their bottom line. Nevermind the bigger picture or moral principles or even basic common sense. Agencies are only taking advantage of this. Why wouldn't they?
Not the majority. Just the majority of the ones being paid to write about it. Most of the people on this and other forums, for example, know enough about the history of these sites and the industry not to fall for this stuff.
The majority I'm talking about is the one who didn't even flinch after all the changes the big agencies introduced. The one who eagerly submits to freepik and istock. They are plenty of stockers still submitting to 123rf ! The bloggers are just the face of the all these people, the tip of the iceberg. Trying to claim some moral integrity and pose as a "journalist" is just ridiculous btw

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« Reply #28 on: April 24, 2022, 05:50 »
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Good morning all,

In regards to the referral link(s), further to reading the above valid comments and having a good think about everything, I've decided to remove them from the interview. Should anyone have signed up in the time between publishing the interview and removing the link (and I do eventually earn anything) I'll refuse the payment.

Within the past two months or so, Elijah uploaded a large batch to them. Let's give it a bit of time for those images to mature and start selling and, as mentioned earlier, he'll then be publishing a full comprehensive and unbiased review. Should be interesting to compare average RPI between all the agencies.

Alex

« Reply #29 on: April 24, 2022, 05:55 »
+2
I could understand why people had issues with Freepik a couple of years ago (it never occurred to me to upload there) but at this point of the game, I can't see much of a difference. SS sells videos for 25 cents, IS sells images for 1 cent, EM sells images for 1 cent, * Alamy goes on promotional sales galore and sells images for 3 cents gross - and everyone agrees that this is absolutely bad. Of course, it is. Yet when Freepik sells images for 6 cents... it is unacceptable? Kinda defies the logic.

I don't have a 100% formed opinion about Freepik yet but what I see so far makes them as acceptable earner as any other stock agency.
I made 180USD on 2000 images in the first month; this month I'm on track to make 120-130USD.
I see no problem having this money, especially in my current state where money doesn't come easy at all and I'm generally struggling.

I will be posting a review on https://brutallyhonestmicrostock.com/ about Freepik- in the spirit of Alex's approach, it will be unbiased and will contain both - negative things that encountered so far that really bug me and positive things.

I also uploaded some files to another unlimited download site - Vecteezy, nothing encouraging so far, but the average sales there is 9 cents. Again, pretty bad, but what's the difference between this and other agencies...

This is the kind of thing I'm talking about, if you want to write articles shouldnt you be a bit less biased? Reports are that RPD is usually around 7c but lets go with your 9c.

I will go with vectors as that seems to be mainly what Freepik has a history in and still mainly trades in. Some of these sites I no longer upload new work to because of poor RPD (BS, DP, IS, SS) but as a comparison all approx based on last year and so far this year:

Bigstock RPD: 45c
Depositphos RPD: 48c
123RF RPD: 90c
DT RPD: 75c
AS RPD: 95c
IS RPD: 70c
SS RPD: 68c

So whats the difference you ask? The answer is HUGE, VAST, an order of magnitude in some cases. Is this the sort of journalistic integrity we can buy too?

We look differently at it. You look at RPD, I look at the bottom line and care only about the bottom line.
As an example:

My 10k+ Alamy port gives me very decent RPD - around 10$ per image. But the sales are minuscule.
My Freepik port gives me crappy RPD but better earnings than Alamy.
The choice here seems pretty obvious to me.

I'm not doing art photography, and as painful as it can sound for some - none of us do - it is microstock. I upload to have an income that helps me. I see no shame in saying 'I'm in it for the money. If your approach is different, it's totally fine.



« Reply #30 on: April 24, 2022, 06:26 »
+1

We look differently at it. You look at RPD, I look at the bottom line and care only about the bottom line.
As an example:

My 10k+ Alamy port gives me very decent RPD - around 10$ per image. But the sales are minuscule.
My Freepik port gives me crappy RPD but better earnings than Alamy.
The choice here seems pretty obvious to me.

I'm not doing art photography, and as painful as it can sound for some - none of us do - it is microstock. I upload to have an income that helps me. I see no shame in saying 'I'm in it for the money. If your approach is different, it's totally fine.

I can actually fully agree with the statement. I will, for example, prefer istock a 100x over Alamy and I am not afraid to say so. They earn me much more money than Alamy, for the exact same work, so why should I look at RPD first and disregard earnings when one is obviously rewarding me much better for my work?
However, with Freepick I feel like there is a different factor to be considered and that is, whether offering support to a site that gives away countless images for free, thus devaluing our work and training people to be more and more used to everything on the internet being free, is not hurting all our incomes, including yours, in the end. With iStock their low commissions come from the fact that they only pay contributors 15%, but on customers' side they don't really ask for less than their competion agencies. I think this topic has been discussed a lot when Adobe started their free gallery as well - The overall problem of how it devalues our work. Now, every agency has free images to some extend - The "sign up and get X images for free" model is pretty common, and, as mentioned, Adobe is offering a free gallery as well (that in my opinion is offering way too many images. I tried searching for images there multiple times, and whatever I was searching for - I could in almost all cases find something suitable for free), but with Freepick, as the name suggest, the free images are the big basic concept of the whole site and that's what I find problematic. (Yes, I am aware that there are more images you have to pay for than free ones, but the "LOOK, I AM FREE!-Concept is still what draws in the customers and, even if they have more paid images than free ones, I am 100% convinced  that way more "costomers" go there for the free images than the paid ones.)
« Last Edit: April 24, 2022, 10:35 by Firn »

« Reply #31 on: April 24, 2022, 07:02 »
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For all the talk about Alamy, that was the only agency so far I requested my account be closed. Pathetic with not a single sale for over a year.

Anyway, besides that, I am reminded of the time contributors were falling over themselves to sign up for the $5 payment from Adobe (I didn't) for use of selected images for 12 months in whatever capacity it was (I think free offers). I said it then that this exercise was more than just acquiring images for more liberal use by the agency... imo it was a good bit of research and testing contributors' willingness to surrender, and lookie now ┌( ಠ_ಠ)┘ the cut to commissions for videos.   

« Reply #32 on: April 24, 2022, 07:06 »
+1
I could understand why people had issues with Freepik a couple of years ago (it never occurred to me to upload there) but at this point of the game, I can't see much of a difference. SS sells videos for 25 cents, IS sells images for 1 cent, EM sells images for 1 cent, * Alamy goes on promotional sales galore and sells images for 3 cents gross - and everyone agrees that this is absolutely bad. Of course, it is. Yet when Freepik sells images for 6 cents... it is unacceptable? Kinda defies the logic.

I don't have a 100% formed opinion about Freepik yet but what I see so far makes them as acceptable earner as any other stock agency.
I made 180USD on 2000 images in the first month; this month I'm on track to make 120-130USD.
I see no problem having this money, especially in my current state where money doesn't come easy at all and I'm generally struggling.

I will be posting a review on https://brutallyhonestmicrostock.com/ about Freepik- in the spirit of Alex's approach, it will be unbiased and will contain both - negative things that encountered so far that really bug me and positive things.

I also uploaded some files to another unlimited download site - Vecteezy, nothing encouraging so far, but the average sales there is 9 cents. Again, pretty bad, but what's the difference between this and other agencies...

This is the kind of thing I'm talking about, if you want to write articles shouldnt you be a bit less biased? Reports are that RPD is usually around 7c but lets go with your 9c.

I will go with vectors as that seems to be mainly what Freepik has a history in and still mainly trades in. Some of these sites I no longer upload new work to because of poor RPD (BS, DP, IS, SS) but as a comparison all approx based on last year and so far this year:

Bigstock RPD: 45c
Depositphos RPD: 48c
123RF RPD: 90c
DT RPD: 75c
AS RPD: 95c
IS RPD: 70c
SS RPD: 68c

So whats the difference you ask? The answer is HUGE, VAST, an order of magnitude in some cases. Is this the sort of journalistic integrity we can buy too?

We look differently at it. You look at RPD, I look at the bottom line and care only about the bottom line.
As an example:

My 10k+ Alamy port gives me very decent RPD - around 10$ per image. But the sales are minuscule.
My Freepik port gives me crappy RPD but better earnings than Alamy.
The choice here seems pretty obvious to me.

I'm not doing art photography, and as painful as it can sound for some - none of us do - it is microstock. I upload to have an income that helps me. I see no shame in saying 'I'm in it for the money. If your approach is different, it's totally fine.
Your whole post was justifying uploading to these sites based on sales at other sites now having similar RPDs? It's right there; "what's the difference followed by a list of low return sales on other sites. Now you've shifted the goal posts.

« Reply #33 on: April 24, 2022, 07:08 »
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« Last Edit: April 24, 2022, 07:11 by Justanotherphotographer »

« Reply #34 on: April 24, 2022, 07:43 »
+2
I could understand why people had issues with Freepik a couple of years ago (it never occurred to me to upload there) but at this point of the game, I can't see much of a difference. SS sells videos for 25 cents, IS sells images for 1 cent, EM sells images for 1 cent, * Alamy goes on promotional sales galore and sells images for 3 cents gross - and everyone agrees that this is absolutely bad. Of course, it is. Yet when Freepik sells images for 6 cents... it is unacceptable? Kinda defies the logic.

I don't have a 100% formed opinion about Freepik yet but what I see so far makes them as acceptable earner as any other stock agency.
I made 180USD on 2000 images in the first month; this month I'm on track to make 120-130USD.
I see no problem having this money, especially in my current state where money doesn't come easy at all and I'm generally struggling.

I will be posting a review on https://brutallyhonestmicrostock.com/ about Freepik- in the spirit of Alex's approach, it will be unbiased and will contain both - negative things that encountered so far that really bug me and positive things.

I also uploaded some files to another unlimited download site - Vecteezy, nothing encouraging so far, but the average sales there is 9 cents. Again, pretty bad, but what's the difference between this and other agencies...

This is the kind of thing I'm talking about, if you want to write articles shouldnt you be a bit less biased? Reports are that RPD is usually around 7c but lets go with your 9c.

I will go with vectors as that seems to be mainly what Freepik has a history in and still mainly trades in. Some of these sites I no longer upload new work to because of poor RPD (BS, DP, IS, SS) but as a comparison all approx based on last year and so far this year:

Bigstock RPD: 45c
Depositphos RPD: 48c
123RF RPD: 90c
DT RPD: 75c
AS RPD: 95c
IS RPD: 70c
SS RPD: 68c

So whats the difference you ask? The answer is HUGE, VAST, an order of magnitude in some cases. Is this the sort of journalistic integrity we can buy too?

We look differently at it. You look at RPD, I look at the bottom line and care only about the bottom line.
As an example:

My 10k+ Alamy port gives me very decent RPD - around 10$ per image. But the sales are minuscule.
My Freepik port gives me crappy RPD but better earnings than Alamy.
The choice here seems pretty obvious to me.

I'm not doing art photography, and as painful as it can sound for some - none of us do - it is microstock. I upload to have an income that helps me. I see no shame in saying 'I'm in it for the money. If your approach is different, it's totally fine.
Your whole post was justifying uploading to these sites based on sales at other sites now having similar RPDs? It's right there; "what's the difference followed by a list of low return sales on other sites. Now you've shifted the goal posts.

Sure, whatever rocks your boat. I thought my point is quite clearly articulated, if you are not satisfied - have it your way, I'm not really into holly wars.
« Last Edit: April 24, 2022, 07:47 by Elijah »

« Reply #35 on: April 24, 2022, 12:35 »
+5
...In regards to the referral link(s), further to reading the above valid comments and having a good think about everything, I've decided to remove them from the interview. ...

Just wanted to say that I think you've done the right thing and kudos for acknowledging a mistake. Not easy to do, but we all make them from time to time and being straight about that is important.

« Reply #36 on: April 24, 2022, 14:36 »
+3
...

Anyway, besides that, I am reminded of the time contributors were falling over themselves to sign up for the $5 payment from Adobe (I didn't) for use of selected images for 12 months in whatever capacity it was (I think free offers). I said it then that this exercise was more than just acquiring images for more liberal use by the agency......

how many of your images (that qualified for AS program) earn $5 from adobe in a year? that's the actual decision artist made when choosing which images they'd submit



« Reply #37 on: April 24, 2022, 23:58 »
+3
...

Anyway, besides that, I am reminded of the time contributors were falling over themselves to sign up for the $5 payment from Adobe (I didn't) for use of selected images for 12 months in whatever capacity it was (I think free offers). I said it then that this exercise was more than just acquiring images for more liberal use by the agency......

how many of your images (that qualified for AS program) earn $5 from adobe in a year? that's the actual decision artist made when choosing which images they'd submit

Yeh sure, that's probably a similar decision as to why the contributor above uploads to Freepik, not that I would upload there either. I was approached by Vecteezy and similarly didn't respond to their invite to upload.

Just a more general observation, for all the price cuts happening I'm not seeing more sales. Perhaps others are. Just the same sales for less. Actually it is less sales for less earnings.   

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #38 on: April 25, 2022, 08:39 »
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...

Anyway, besides that, I am reminded of the time contributors were falling over themselves to sign up for the $5 payment from Adobe (I didn't) for use of selected images for 12 months in whatever capacity it was (I think free offers). I said it then that this exercise was more than just acquiring images for more liberal use by the agency......

how many of your images (that qualified for AS program) earn $5 from adobe in a year? that's the actual decision artist made when choosing which images they'd submit

None, and not a year, but never earned $5 in their lifetime on Adobe.

One has earned $5.30 on SS since 2008. Another 72 cents on SS. Most have no downloads anywhere else and the best on Adobe, before it became free for a year, had 3 DLS. That's the same image as the one that made 72 on SS. Two others had 3 DLS before being accepted as free. A different accepted image has earned 48 on iStock.

Every image that Adobe accepted for the free program, earned more, each at $5, than the total of all of them have ever earned lifetime on AS.

Thanks for the money Adobe. Nothing in that is hurting my sales or my income.

« Reply #39 on: April 25, 2022, 08:45 »
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I just signed up at freepik. I'm not too concerned with RPD, there are several metrics worth looking at when it comes to choosing which sites to work with. For me it's more about how much money am I making overall, for how much effort, and does contributing to that site devalue my work elsewhere. On the last point, I don't think it does. The freepik audience isn't the same as the SS audience or other typical microstock marketplaces. At least that's my impression of it.

Not everything is so black and white in this business. I can be a contributor at a place that isn't exactly great in terms of RPD and still get something out if it without selling my soul to the company. I can curate what i upload there, send just older work or less popular images. I can drop 100 images there and just see what happens. Don't have to go all-in right away.

At this point, is anything really not worth a try? It's not like things have been trending in a great direction anyway. Freepik isn't going to be the thing that breaks this business. It was being broken years ago by the companies that so many folks here still sing the praises of.

« Reply #40 on: April 25, 2022, 12:13 »
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I just signed up at freepik. I'm not too concerned with RPD, there are several metrics worth looking at when it comes to choosing which sites to work with. For me it's more about how much money am I making overall, for how much effort, and does contributing to that site devalue my work elsewhere. On the last point, I don't think it does. The freepik audience isn't the same as the SS audience or other typical microstock marketplaces. At least that's my impression of it.

Not everything is so black and white in this business. I can be a contributor at a place that isn't exactly great in terms of RPD and still get something out if it without selling my soul to the company. I can curate what i upload there, send just older work or less popular images. I can drop 100 images there and just see what happens. Don't have to go all-in right away.

At this point, is anything really not worth a try? It's not like things have been trending in a great direction anyway. Freepik isn't going to be the thing that breaks this business. It was being broken years ago by the companies that so many folks here still sing the praises of.

I completely agree with you

« Reply #41 on: April 25, 2022, 13:28 »
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lol...

agencies must be stupid not to further decrease your royalties to zero

« Reply #42 on: April 25, 2022, 15:45 »
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anyone using Freepik:

have you found problems with their req:  "titles of the photos have to be unique." a lot more work for a set of non-similars of the same subject


« Reply #43 on: April 25, 2022, 17:09 »
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and does contributing to that site devalue my work elsewhere.

The problem is it's devaluing the value of photography across the whole market.

Is earning an extra 20 bucks a month worth it? If you were earning $2,000 a month from microstock agencies, would you still be doing this?

But it's not your fault. The whole perception of the value of photography started a while ago. It started with Getty, then free sites started with Unsplash, and so forth. And the latest assets to be hit are now videos.

This whole perception that cheap = more, is not working. It just means cheap = cheap.  Agencies are just trying to grab existing buyers from other agencies.

(And btw, if you are getting a kickback for promoting these sites, can you please state so?)






« Last Edit: April 25, 2022, 17:21 by Annie »

« Reply #44 on: April 25, 2022, 17:38 »
+6
Good morning all,

In regards to the referral link(s), further to reading the above valid comments and having a good think about everything, I've decided to remove them from the interview. Should anyone have signed up in the time between publishing the interview and removing the link (and I do eventually earn anything) I'll refuse the payment.

Within the past two months or so, Elijah uploaded a large batch to them. Let's give it a bit of time for those images to mature and start selling and, as mentioned earlier, he'll then be publishing a full comprehensive and unbiased review. Should be interesting to compare average RPI between all the agencies.

Alex

Alex, I'm kind of a bit disappointed that you have taken this route. You have a very interesting and helpful blog and I know you have promoted other avenues for increasing one's income, such as the book covers - which was really interesting and informative. But there are still other ways that do not devalue a person's work.

There are lots of places where creatives can set their own price. POD sites, designer resources agencies, direct selling, etc. (As an example, after putting a bit of time into researching what other type of buyers are out there, and changing what I shoot, I am now earning an additional $500 a month from these places, on top of my microstock earnings. Plus there is potential for even more growth.)

I have even put my prices up recently on some of these sites and increased my buyers. So, it can be done.

« Last Edit: April 25, 2022, 17:47 by Annie »

« Reply #45 on: April 25, 2022, 18:11 »
+3
and does contributing to that site devalue my work elsewhere.

The problem is it's devaluing the value of photography across the whole market.

Is earning an extra 20 bucks a month worth it? If you were earning $2,000 a month from microstock agencies, would you still be doing this?

But it's not your fault. The whole perception of the value of photography started a while ago. It started with Getty, then free sites started with Unsplash, and so forth. And the latest assets to be hit are now videos.

This whole perception that cheap = more, is not working. It just means cheap = cheap.  Agencies are just trying to grab existing buyers from other agencies.

(And btw, if you are getting a kickback for promoting these sites, can you please state so?)

Yes very well said Annie and great to read your thoughts on this.

« Reply #46 on: April 25, 2022, 19:29 »
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The problem is it's devaluing the value of photography across the whole market.

Is earning an extra 20 bucks a month worth it? If you were earning $2,000 a month from microstock agencies, would you still be doing this?

But it's not your fault. The whole perception of the value of photography started a while ago. It started with Getty, then free sites started with Unsplash, and so forth. And the latest assets to be hit are now videos...

Exactly, it started with the sites that for so many years everyone believed to be the good guys. Getty, istock, Shutterstock, etc. Freepik isn't any worse. They just don't have the history to leverage their reputation. Other companies did the work of devaluing images over many years. Freepik just joined the party.

I'll try anything that is an avenue of selling images to new sets of buyers. I'm not putting all of my work into it, but I'll try it and see for myself if it's worth the effort or not.


...(And btw, if you are getting a kickback for promoting these sites, can you please state so?)

I am not promoting them, nor would I benefit if I were. I just added an opinion to the conversation.

« Reply #47 on: April 26, 2022, 01:11 »
+1
Good morning all,

In regards to the referral link(s), further to reading the above valid comments and having a good think about everything, I've decided to remove them from the interview. Should anyone have signed up in the time between publishing the interview and removing the link (and I do eventually earn anything) I'll refuse the payment.

Within the past two months or so, Elijah uploaded a large batch to them. Let's give it a bit of time for those images to mature and start selling and, as mentioned earlier, he'll then be publishing a full comprehensive and unbiased review. Should be interesting to compare average RPI between all the agencies.

Alex

Alex, I'm kind of a bit disappointed that you have taken this route. You have a very interesting and helpful blog and I know you have promoted other avenues for increasing one's income, such as the book covers - which was really interesting and informative. But there are still other ways that do not devalue a person's work.

There are lots of places where creatives can set their own price. POD sites, designer resources agencies, direct selling, etc. (As an example, after putting a bit of time into researching what other type of buyers are out there, and changing what I shoot, I am now earning an additional $500 a month from these places, on top of my microstock earnings. Plus there is potential for even more growth.)

I have even put my prices up recently on some of these sites and increased my buyers. So, it can be done.

Well said, Annie!

Alex, Annie just gave you great ideas for your blog.

Most photographers are ambitious folk. As we shoot more, we learn more and our work becomes better over the years.
As our content improves, we want to earn more. We don't want to earn less.
THIS is where photographers need your help. We don't want to hear about "Stock wizards" who are the blood-suckers of this industry.

How about getting Photographer's Market Guide 2022 for better agencies to review?

« Reply #48 on: April 26, 2022, 01:15 »
+1
and does contributing to that site devalue my work elsewhere.

The problem is it's devaluing the value of photography across the whole market.

Is earning an extra 20 bucks a month worth it? If you were earning $2,000 a month from microstock agencies, would you still be doing this?

That's how I see it, too. Even if I take in significantly less per month than you.

« Reply #49 on: April 26, 2022, 02:15 »
+5
...Freepik isn't any worse. They just don't have the history to leverage their reputation. Other companies did the work of devaluing images over many years. Freepik just joined the party.
...

They are over 10 years old though, and played a major part in the devaluation themselves. A lot of the moves by SS etc. have been in response to the growth of sites like Freepik.

Freepik spent years as a warez site search engine selling stolen goods in exchange for a fee to remove their attribution to images they never had the rights to in the first place (including mine and I'm sure yours).

They have a very long history indeed.


 

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